The iPad Pro delivers and is even faster than some MacBook Pros (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 88)
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What up everybody, what up Beach, how you doing?
I'm good man, how you doing?
I'm doing good, from an undisclosed location somewhere
In the universe.
But, you want me to tell you why I'm really doing good here?
Because I have in my hand-
[LAUGH] My gosh.
For those that can see or cannot see it, it's bigger than my head.
I got the iPad Pro 12.9 inch, and I love it.
That's awesome, man.
Is it light?
Is it light in your hands?
How does that feel?
Same weight, its the same weight.
Same exact weight as the last one.
Remember, we talked about how mine was stolen, recently, right?
Yeah, huge bummer, man.
Just a few weeks, I mean trust me, that's really sad, it's sad right?
[LAUGH] But, just a few weeks before I got my hands on the iPad Pro, so we are going to talk about it a little bit And so yes to answer all your questions I got it were gonna jumped into it.
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So let's just jump into it.
We're a week Pretty much a week after WWDC.
I got this bad boy, the iPad Pro in the mail just a day ago or two days ago.
For people that are watching and even if you're aren't watching, I'm going to tell you, I don't even know if you can tell how fast this thing is but the first thing is, I better not show them my passcode.
It's a good thing.
The first thing that I notice when I
Played with this thing.
I mean, it, it's fast.
It's, when I open up apps, you can even tell.
You're gonna be like, what?
Like, that thing is dang fast.
I'm like scrolling through the files.
The, the first.
Can you see this?
The first button you pressed, I was immediately noticed that it was really fast.
This is faster than wire, Right, this is the internal processor they bragged about our promotion, the 120 hertz reverse rate.
I'm telling you, for someone who has never had an iPad, if you get anything on iPad I think you're gonna learn a little more up.
But if you had any version of iPad before, and you get any of the new ones where there is a Template 5 or the 12.9, you're gonna be like
This thing is awesome.
Just from the pure you can tell, you can feel it everywhere.
This is the faster machine.
I used the pencil a little bit.
Just you know I goof around and sketch.
I'm not like a high end artist or anything.
I didn't feel that the delay was as noticeable.
They reduced the timing from when you use the pencil from a 50 millisecond delay to a 20 millisecond delay.
It was hard for me to say it was really that much faster.
Maybe like a hair faster, but again, 50 milliseconds to 20 milliseconds, although you're saying yeah, it's less than half the delay, it's still a really finite amount of time.
But for a lot of people, I think that if anyone's even deciding, should I go 9.7 to 10.5 Honestly, purely because of the speed of this machine and specs on it, you've got to get a 10.5 inch iPad if you're thinking of getting a new iPad.
And that's if you even like the iPad.
Did you get a keyboard with it?
And how do you use the keyboard with it?
So, check this out, Apple's keyboards are straight up doo-doo, right?
But In the past, Logitech and Belkin had keyboard cases.
But they were like these super thick additions on it.
But Logitech just came out with this new keyboard called the Slim keyboard.
You know what, here.
I'm gonna step away for a second and grab it.
This is [LAUGH] It's the Logitech Slim iPad Pro keyboard.
Okay, hold on one second.
Bryan is going to hunt for his Logitech slim keyboard, and until then I'm gonna try to find it on the Internet here, for iPad.
Let me see, here we go.
So, this is by far, this may not look anything crazy, but this is by far the best keyboard that I've seen for the iPad Pro, hands down, because A, the keys
Like you actually feel like you're pressing on the keys, it reminds me more of the Surface keyboard that comes with the Surface Pro.
It also is backlit, so when you plug it into the actual iPad Pro, the keys, backlight as well.
And then you have quick hotkeys to do your volume or to minimize your windows.
But the biggest thing is it's super slim.
If you look at, people that see this It's basically almost as slim as a smart over.
And then it has this little keyboard that is not heavy, it's not chunky, it's not dense, and you snap that bad boy on, it's like...
The Apple Smart keyboard is like this thing that you, like, fold three billion times.
It's just dirty.
It looks kinda like a trapper keeper when you snapped it together.
It's kind of old school, you know?
[LAUGH] I miss my trapper keeper
On the backside of this Logitech keyboard is that the case itself it has this stand here, but it actually rotates something like a full 50 degrees or more, so you can, it's tight.
It' not like Janking, it's legit.
So I don't know, I'm just saying I'm gonna do some videos that are gonna follow up on just what things that I like and things to look out for specifically in this product.
But it's awesome.
Anyone who has been waiting to upgrade to an iPad for maybe two or three years, you're gonna freak out when you get this new iPad, if you love it.
I know that iPad is not the most popular product, but.
I'm still with it.
When iOS 11 comes out, I'm probably gonna freak out even more.
I'm not willing to put the beta on it yet because it's a little too inconsistent, and a lot of times, some of my apps that I use, they end up Not working and I hate that, if my comic book app doesn't work on my iPad, it's useless to me.
It's just useless to me.
So that's kinda some of the cool stuff about it.
But we did wanna jump into a story about the iPad Pro just because I found this to be actually really interesting.
So a new report basically from this company called BareFeats.
And they run the geek benchmark test for both the iPad Pro 10.5 inch, the iPad Pro 12.9 inch.
In addition, they also benchmark compared it to a 2016 Macbook Pro and a 2017 Macbook Pro, as well.
And this is what's really shocking about some of these results.
So, first of all, if you talk about how they perform.
Single core processing, which is typically, you know, really the most commonly, raw-used power for these benchmarks, you are not going to top a Macbook Pro Versus an iPad Pro in any of these single core benchmarks.
Okay, so, if you wanna order how they ranked them, and yes, these are not all completely specced out.
The 2017 MacBook Pro 13 inch was the top single core, then we have the 2016, and then we have the 12.9 iPad, sorry, the 10.5 inch iPad, those are both 2017 models.
But if you started going down more in multicore performance, the 10.5 and 12.9 inch iPads came in second in multicore scores.
So they actually outperformed the MacBook Pro 2016 Edition.
So we are talking about raw power here.
And then if you talk about graphics performance From a pure if you want to test out the Metal, Apple's graphics engine, on the Metal platform test the iPads outperformed both the 2016 and 2017 Macbook Pros.
In addition, there's another benchmark called the GFX, or the graphics benchmark test.
Were the iPad Pro 10.5 and iPad Pro 12.9 again both outperform MacBook Pros from this year and last year.
That's actually pretty surprising.
That is surprising.
I would have not expected that, and I know that benchmarks don't mean anything in regards to real world performance per se right
It's gonna be different, but at the very least you're talking about a product on pure benchmarks.
And iPad Pro now, that can hang in some categories with a Mac Book Pro.
That's pretty significant, you know we haven't seen anything like this Thing like that before.
So that's why, if you're someone who's getting a, looking at the iPad Pro line that just got refreshed, I'm not saying it's gonna replace your laptop but it's going to have the raw power to hang with it.
And there's a lot of apps.
There's like some podcasting apps.
There are some video editing apps.
There's some great drawing apps, and there's some, you know that authenity photo program that was teased at Apple's conference.
I'm gonna learn that.
It's like It's basically the dope Photoshop for the iPad Pro.
Yeah, that one looked pretty cool, actually, I like that.
That one was legit, right?
That one looked legit.
So these are things that you start, it didn't happen last year or a year and a half ago, you start putting out some of the pieces of the puzzle, some of these breadcrumbs.
And the iPad Pro is becoming More legitimate and again iOS 11, I can't wait for that.
I know it's not going to do what a Surface Pro does but it's gonna really make it a unique device.
It can do a whole lot more that it does today.
And it is coming in a few months.
So, I feel like when iOS 11 comes I'm gonna get even another kinda like brand new iPad.
So, You can tell I'm kind of juiced about this.
It's cool cause they are trying to catch up with the Surface Pro market and they're trying to make them fast so people will use them as laptops in the future.
It feels like that's the direction we're headed right now.
So that's all good news for me.
I never got a keyboard case, because I thought they all sucked in the last generation.
And this new Logitech slim iPad pro keyboard case, that is as close to what I imagine a good to great, it's more than about, I think it's a really, really good keyboard case for the iPad finally.
There's nothing else that even comes close to it because the others are too thick.
And chunking, and they just suck.
They just suck.
[LAUGH] I hate using that word, but they suck.
So the sad thing to me is that Apple couldn't even make one that good, right?
I mean, I think part of it is because Apple is so spread thin.
They don't even have time to make accessories.
They didn't even make a rear shell case.
They didn't make a single new rear shell case for the 12.9" iPad Pro.
They made them for the 10.5", but they completely discontinued the 12.9" ones.
I thought that's kinda weird.
I feel like a lot of time, Apple depends on their third party vendors, to make stuff for their products and they probably expect it at this point now,
And they're just like, someone will make a cool keyboard for us.
So we don't really have to worry about it.
Maybe that's their thinking now, but I could be wrong.
So for everyone that is still curious about the iPad Pro, or even if you purchased one and experienced it yourself, I'm curious how you guys like it.
Or maybe you don't like it.
So you guys, again,
you call us at our number.
Let me look it up one more time.
Too legit to quit.
It is too legit to quit.
I don't know you were saying legit.
I had to get this song.
I love it.
out of my head.
I love it.
I love it.
MC Hammer was at the warriors thing today.
He was at the warriors
With the mayor of Oakland.
By the way, Warriors won the NBA Championship.
[LAUGH] In case you didn't know.
Just in case you didn't hear that.
Yeah, we'll bring it up later in the show as well.
All right, let's kinda transition over to some other things about what's happening in the iPhone world.
We know there's always rumors going on, but Just to pause and kind of give you the current state of iPhone sales.
The latest Kantar data shows that the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus remain the top selling phones in the US for the three month period ending in April, with a combined market share of 20.1%.
So it grew Compared to the year on year, total iPhone share in general grew.
Now here's the other thing that was kind of interesting.
[UNKNOWN] report says that early indication suggests Samsung's flagship S8 and S8+.
Only reached a combined market share of 8.1% which even is lower than the number that they hit last year which was 8.8% at the same time this year.
So although there's a lot of buzz I mean I think the Samsung Galaxy S8 is a great phone.
Consumer reports Just recently rated it a better phone then, of course, the iPhone 7, which now has like a seven or eighth month lead on.
That makes sense.
When we do prize fights and we compare phones that are on the market at the time they're available.
So people get mad, always saying, the S8 is six months newer than the iPhone.
And then when the iPhone comes out, the other side says, the iPhone is six months.
Brand new compared to the last S8, you'll never win.
You can only compare what's in front of you at that point in time.
And if that's what it is, that's what it is.
So although it is getting recommended as a great phone from Consumer Reports and people generally think the S8 is a great phone, it still Didn't make a dent in market share at least for top selling phones this year.
Which I thought that actually it would at least tick up a little bit, but instead it dropped compared to last year.
I mean yeah we've also called it the most beautiful phone on the market right now.
It's the best phone of the year right now.
I mean of you're outside ecosystem.
No Apples ecosystem is ridiculous, but outside of that.
If you're talking about pure specs of the phone, even Consumer Reports said, "Hey, the fingerprint sensor on the back is a little awkward." And everyone, that's probably it's biggest complaint.
But beyond that, it's a really legit phone.
More than legit, right?
It's, you know, I don't want to call anything an iPhone killer, per se.
That's funny, we haven't heard that term in a long time, right?
I gotta play this song again, I'm sorry.
[LAUGH] Too legit!
It's a very popular phone.
That says a lot about Apple's brand cachet.
People know the iPhone.
It's a very famous, popular phone.
They're gonna buy it.
Samsung comes out with a new beautiful phone.
Everyone gives it great reviews, and it still doesn't sell very well.
So [LAUGH] what does that tell you?
Across the tech industry, bro.
Everyone said it was a great phone.
It wasn't even like.
Mixed bag, it was unanimously a great phone.
So yeah, it speaks to the Apple's muscle, like you said and their brand power.
If we want to talk about a little more, few things about iPhones, the iPhone 8, I know we always have more rumors and stories that are around that world, but we'll just kinda pound through some of these.
According to the Nikkei Asian Review, Out of Japan, iPhone assembler, Wistron.
This is a company that Apple has worked with in the past.
They assemble iPhones for Apple.
The CEO of the company, during their recent shareholders meeting said Assembly process for previous generations of iPhones have not changed much.
Although new features like waterproof and wireless charging now requires some different testing.
And waterproof function will alter the assembly process a bit.
So is he blowing
Yeah spilling the beans.
I wonder if he got a call from Tim Cook.
We saw this interview and you're giving away all our secrets buddy.
Hey buddy those rumors that are suppose to stay rumors.
Yeah they're suppose to stay rumors.
Hey don't complain about how difficult it is to make our phone, you're lucky you making the phone for us.
Hey Ed, do you still want to be a partner or do you wanna tank like the other companies that we prevented from making our chips in our products?
He's a leaker, he's a leaker.
He is a leaker.
He is a leaker.
Just like Comey.
He's the my gosh.
[LAUGH] All this talk of leakers and here he is leaking.
Fake news, fake news.
[LAUGH] Hashtag, fake news.
[LAUGH] Anyways so [UNKNOWN] is one of the assembly companies that works with Apple.
That leak came out, in a way, basically confirming the rumors we've heard about this.
But in another leak that might be even better, might be even more telling depending on what you believe.
On Reddit, which we know is plenty of action goes on on Reddit.
A Redditor, you like that?
Recently put a post out and in the post basically claims, according to what they call a friend in the industry.
What they have received from manufacturers over the last week.
Are p-shells and rear-shells of both the iPhone 8, that's the iPhone 8, if people are looking, that has the super thin bezel, kind of that black notch on top we see in renders for the camera.
But then on the back, you will notice, it does have The vertical rear camera, dual lens.
And the biggest thing that you'll notice is there's no actual Touch ID primping or print sensor on the rear.
And these are the latest parts that they've leaked out.
If you click on the next picture you can see on the left-hand side there is an iPhone 7S rear shell purportedly And then an iPhone 7s Plus, which would have the dual-lens camera in that form factor, still resting horizontally.
And then, on the far right, the pieces for both the iPhone 8 front and rear shell.
These are what a Redittor poster put out.
Maybe they're fake.
Maybe they're not.
But everything we have seen and heard and posted and renders.
And multiple sources with multiple parts as we get closer to that September timeline.
I can't see how this isn't how what the new phone is going to look like.
It looks like it's completely possible this is what it's going to be like.
And the camera situation is kind of interesting.
It looks kind of cool, actually.
Yeah, they put the flash in between the cameras.
Yeah, that's kinda neat.
Which is interesting.
I guess that it widens the depth perception of those two cameras or something?
I don't know.
The camera is still gonna stick our, so you're gonna still have phone wobble.
But again, there's really.
Once you see iOS 11.
You see the form factor of this.
There really aren't going to be many surprises.
I don't know.
Maybe they will still surprise us.
I think they can.
I actually really enjoyed WWDC.
I was just let down with the lack of any new real true improvements to Siri.
But beyond that, I was actually happy with WWDC.
I don't know about y'all.
Okay, also we talked about just kinda the iPhone 7 and whatnot.
Component production has started.
iDrop news even released some new images of the renders that really support exactly what we saw from those parts that we have.
So it's coming, it's going to happen.
Look at that beautiful thing, I mean, that looks nice.
It does look nice.
It's like the Galaxy S8 version for the iPhone, really.
I think but what will be interesting if they can implement that touch id sensor on the front screen panel with no physical button, is it an area you have to touch or do you touch any part of the lower area?
It's going to be interesting to see how that all shapes out.
There's gotta be a version of iOS 11 specifically for the form factor.
It's gonna be different from what they showed at WWDC.
If there's no home button, it's gonna be a little different.
It just has to be.
And then we're all gonna have to learn and adapt and figure out how to use the phone again.
Which you kind of have to do that with every new iPhone, you know.
It's like How do I hold it in my hand, how is it comfortable, how do I balance it?
It's always a new kind of thing and I don't like that, actually.
When I went from my 5 to my 6S, it was a big adjustment.
I'm like, now I have to balance my phone like this, I can't reach across, it's kind of a pain in the ****.
Yeah, so we'll see how that all shakes out.
We also have a quick story about an Apple supplier named Largin Who typically supply the rear lenses for the Iphone 7 and 7 plus.
They just announced basically that they will be shipping a 3D sensor for a 3D sensor lense for the second half of 2017 to an un-named company.
When Apple is one of their largest clients which means it's probably Apple's.
It's another leaker right here.
Look at this guy, leaking.
Dude, all of these Asian leakers.
What is going on here?
I'm not a leaker.
I am not leaker.
You are a leaker.
You leak all kinds of Apple info all the time.
As soon as you see it, you leak it.
You know what, there is a new trend hashtag Asian leaker, sign me up, if you leak anything [INAUDIBLE] I'm going to call you an Asian leaker.
That's fine, that's fine with me.
You're down with that.
This 3D sensor lens Would clearly be to help potentially be used for face unlock for your phone, but also augmented reality applications, which brought me up to this next story that was really cool.
Mac Rumors collected a few examples of what people are doing in the AR space, AR Was announced at WWDC.
So we had some cool developers do some stuff.
I put up three video links up there Beat so we kinda talk about a few of them.
This first one which is really cool.
Where am I at right now?
Here we go, yeah so this first one is a combination Of and it's thanks to Cody Brown, founder of virtual reality [UNKNOWN] IRL is a combination of using AR kit with Unity 3D and including the Overwatch character Widowmaker in a room that he kinds of sets this mood lighting and put the steam in it.
What makes this kind of cool and interesting, he said, just fundamentally, ARKit is, the framework itself is more elegant and simple to use compared to others.
In addition, he was really impressed with how lighting, how it handles lighting adjustments in real time.
So you can see, right, it's pretty-
That looks terrifying man, I mean that is crazy.
This is a little quick sample.
I mean as-
It's transformed his room completely.
Isn't that crazy?
So this is, I mean, again, this is the quick demo.
So that was one video.
Another video, it may not be visually as impressive.
It speaks to the AR Kit's ability to place things specifically in a geographic location.
Where you can then go see them.
So this is from another company here where they showed off.
I can't remember you know what off the top of my head my brain farted.
I can't remember the name of the company but I will.
ViewAR there you go.
So what they showed off is like this jet that they placed in an
[UNKNOWN], and you can see all around it, up and down, which is kinda fun.
But what was really cool is later in the demo, they walk completely out of the room, to a different area.
You don't see the jet anywhere in way, shape, or form.
But then, when you return, To that room, based on distance and angle.
That jet still remains, so although yeah, it's kind of a quote, unquote, simple application, look, I don't make this stuff.
I don't build this stuff.
But the fact that it has geographical reference, where someone could build kind of their own world or game, plop things in certain places in maybe a treasure hunting type game.
And you would only be able to find it in that spot and it always stays in that spot.
It's kind of cool.
It's not just projecting an image onto a screen.
It's keeping it fixed as specific coordinates of your geographic location.
That is pretty neat.
Okay, I've got the best one for you coming up now, Beach.
This third one is an example.
It's called Rainforest Garage from Eight Ninths.
And people that are listening, they can kind of check this out.
Which makes it really neat as well.
So he takes his phone and he basically like in the app there's like, hey look, there happens to be a blowtorch on the ground.
And then what he does is he goes up to this garage door and then there's this dotted outline where he can kind of burn around the edges of the garage.
And then you're gonna see what happens next of I was like, dude, this is just a demo that you made?
The door cuts out and reveals a freaking rain forest.
That's pretty amazing, that's in Mexico or something, it looks like.
He's in there.
Are all [INAUDIBLE] in Mexico [INAUDIBLE]?
No, I've been to Telum where the Aztec ruins, and this is exactly what it looked like.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[LAUGH] That's pretty awesome.
So, what's cool is like you can, when you change the angle of looking into that opening that he cut on the garage door, you can see the different depth and the edges, like
You can see into the space.
And he's kinda looking at it from different angles.
See into it!
So, if you move a different angle, you can see around a corner, kind of.
But you can't go inside!
[LAUGH] Not yet [CROSSTALK]
That's the only limitation.
That's pretty cool!
But this is kind of some of the cool stuff that AR kit.
is showing out, you know.
Someone on Periscope was cracking me up.
Vocal turfs like people will forget and try to walk through.
Okay now, and run into it with your head.
It might just actually happen.
What up, Darrell 1988, I see you.
So this is kind of some of the cool stuff that's happening in AR kit, and it's coming soon.
And so that was another kind of big thing that was part of WWDC.
We've gotta build something for CNet.
We've gotta build some sort of AR adventure here at CNet.
We are developers that are way smarter than we are, we?
You know we could do something awesome.
Okay, it would be a funny documentary.
Beech and Tong attempt to build.
Their first AR kit demo.
Might be the worst reality show ever, of all time.
Before we get to our phone calls, we wanted to touch upon the HomePod.
I know that people have a lot of different opinions about the HomePod.
I'm still not sold on it from a price standpoint.
Again, I'm going to buy one.
I'm going to demo it out.
I'm going to try it.
And I most likely, just because my house is outfitted with an Echo and a Google Home just for purposes of just trying them out, I don't know if I'm gonna keep a third one that's 349.
But this is kind of some interesting information that we have here, okay.
So a survey recently done by Morning Consult or Consult, I think it's Morning Consult, They polled 2,200 adults specifically about the Home Pod and about smart speakers.
According to this poll, 33% said they were initially interested in the Home Pod.
Once they were introduced to the other products in comparison showing off, this is what the Echo does, this is what the Google Home does That number dipped to 30%.
Now in reality, that's actually not that big of a dip.
So that's initial interest, okay.
Now among people, so we're saying people who have no context or they're just curious about the HomePod, 33%, a third of people.
Now here, people who already owned Apple products Their interest before comparison was 45% interest.
Now after they were introduced to some of the kind of other products that are out there.
Because, let's be honest, a lot of people are very Apple blinders on.
That number to dropped to 40%.
But if you look at that both for people that aren't familiar with the Home Pod and people that are familiar with Apple products.
It actually didn't drop by that much of a percentage.
No it didn't, no.
It didn't at all, if you're talking about a final purchase decision, according to the survey 17% they would most likely buy an Echo.
11% said they would most likely buy the cheaper Echo Dot, so let's just chalk up a 28% Of that group would buy an Amazon Echo product.
9% said they would go for a home pod and 11% said they would go for a Google Home.
So the home pod ranked amongst those products was last with only 9% of 2200 people saying I would buy a home pod for 349.
The other big thing, which obviously makes sense, is it appears, according to the survey, price was the main concern among shoppers.
57% picked it as very important in a smart speaker.
Apple's HomePod is 349.
The echo is currently at around 140-ish, 150-ish.
Yeah I mean if you're gonna put a bunch of products all in front of a bunch of people.
They all do basically the same thing.
Say this one's 350, this one's 40, this one's 100 or whatever the Google Home is.
They're probably gonna go for the cheaper on and the one that's been on the market a little longer.
And is a little less You know, it's more low profile and a little easier on the eyes.
I think the home pod is kind of big and it looks like it can collect dust very easily.
[LAUGH] So, I'm a little concerned about that.
But, I mean, clearly people are going to want to go for the one that's been on the market a little while longer.
A little more sleek looking and More affordable.
Even right out of the box, I'm sure they're gonna support more services down the road, but from what we know, and we really don't know much, Apple only talked about it supporting Apple music.
You gotta support more than just Apple music on a launch!
Maybe it will, again,
We're only talking about what we know at this point in time.
You know, they are touting it as more of a music speaker before a smart speaker.
I think that is going to actually, in a weird way, persuade some people to buy it just because they're like, "I want the Apple Music Speaker".
There are people like that.
In this world that are just gonna buy it purely because, it's just an Apple music speaker that looks like a roll of toilet paper.
I'll do that.
[LAUGH] Does look like-
Like, I'm gonna buy that and put it on my toilet paper roll.
I wanna see if someone wipes their **** with it.
I don't know.
[LAUGH] It looks like one of those bathroom air fresheners.
But so does the Google Home.
The Google Home looks more like a bathroom air freshener than anything else..
Straight up like an air freshener.
Yeah and then the Echo Dot is like a little
Hockey puck, it's so small.
But the Echo Dot also has Spotify.
It has Pandora.
Pandora, Amazon Music, it has a bunch of them.
[UNKNOWN], it has so many services.
And so Google Home supports a variety of services, but Amazon clearly supports the most.
I'm really curious of what the response will actually be once this product comes out and once we learn more.
That those are the two things so, there we go, we'll see what happens.
All right do you want to check out our calls, jump into our calls?
Lets do it, we got a lot of calls.
Lets do it.
Thank you guys all for calling.
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Hey guys, my question is in regards to the rumor that resurfaced a month or two ago
About the possibility of Apple purchasing the Walt Disney company.
And while that buyout doesn't seem like it's gonna happen, I wanted to get your thoughts on if you see Apple, possibly, in this age of mega-mergers, buying an entertainment company that already has An extensive library of content as well as several things in the pipeline.
Especially since Apple seems still very new at this and their output is very small.
Just wanted to get your thoughts on this.
Love the show guys, take care.
Yeah, that was a big rumor that was kind of floating around.
The reason why I never put it in the show is because I thought it was so speculative.
And it has turned out that it really was more speculative than not, right.
You never heard anything after that.
And I'm like come on, I'm gonna give this a week to see if there's any legs to it.
And, at least up to this point, there has not been.
I think if there was any company that I'd want Apple to purchase from an original content perspective, I'd want it to be Netflix.
And I think that Netflix has all the momentum.
Quite honestly, also, if you look at how Netflix is burning through cash and investing in their programming, there's gonna be a point in time where Netflix is gonna actually need a new infusion of cash.
Maybe Apple can be that, but at the same time, I wouldn't want them to integrate Netflix and make it be like here's the Apple movie or TV app.
I would want Netflix to just be a part of their ecosystem, but not kind of disappear the way that we use it today.
I think if they were gonna do anything like that could acquire them and just let them do what they do.
And then in addition maybe create some more hooks to that.
But let's be real.
From a content standpoint, people aren't watching, and they aren't reviewing very highly, Planet of the Apps.
I'm curious about the Bad Boy documentary but I'm not going to subscribe to Apple Music just for that.
I watched the trailer for the Bad Boy documentary and it looks scary.
I was afraid after watching it.
Hell yeah, Cous.
It looks like some real life ****.
You know what.
[LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] a lot of violence, and you know Puff Daddy looks like he's mad, like he's angry and stuff.
Like, I came up because I was angry.
I was actually kinda in shock by that, I was like what?
This is crazy.
[LAUGH] So, just wait for Dr.
Dre's biopic, with a reported orgy.
I don't think it
It only gets, it only gets better from here.
Beach, it only gets better.
No, but Apple, if I.
I don't, I, I pray to God Apple never buys Disney.
Because Disney has just a long legacy of just, you know, just being an awesome company, and awesome characters, and everything.
And Apple doesn't have a track record for creating.
Stuff like that other than products, you know.
I don't know.
I don't see it happening.
The only way that it works if Apple acquires them because they need the cash because they are struggling, which they are not by any means, and then just leaves them alone to operate the way they are.
That doesn't make sense to me.
I could see a Netflix acquisition making more sense, whether it happens or not.
But, depending on how you know, subscribers in Netflix increase based on how much money they're spending.
And how that is trending over the next few years.
I mean that's gonna let us know if Netflix is really gonna be up for sale.
For an acquisition or not but if it is, you've got to imagine that Apple, who's desperate for legitimate content.
Like Netflix has so much good stuff.
I know you're not on it yet, Beech, but like I can't keep up with it.
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff on there.
How many times have you heard have you seen that on Netflix?
Yeah, all the time.
All the time.
All the time now, right?
I mean Masters and none
I mean, I like your idea.
If they do purchase it, just don't touch it.
Just let Netflix do what they do and collect the revenue cuz they're doing well what they're doing now.
And I feel like Apple will come in, they could break a lot of stuff and turn off a lot of people.
The only way that Apple creates maybe something that is more compelling to me is if they somehow locked down, but they're not going to, they're way behind, everyone is
Already kind of locked into their own TV subscription service.
If they had created that TV service and then integrated original programming within it to kind of create this whole new world of media content, then that can be exciting to me.
But, beyond that, what they're doing and trying to force us to subscribe to Apple Music to watch a very limited content that doesn't have much of a broad appeal.
That's not the right way to go about it, and I know they're trying because in their brains they're like, we've got to create original content.
You've got to create original content people want to watch.
And not just one show.
It has to be, Netflix started with a couple shows.
House of Cards was one of those first ones, then it grew to maybe three or four shows.
Now it's like ten, and that's what you've got to do.
You don't put on Apple Music, you just don't.
And it's called Apple Music.
With the pitch for the Planet of the App show was that they have to make their pitch while they're on a conveyor belt.
That seems like it's the big hook for that show is that they have to do their pitch before the conveyor belt runs out.
It seems ridiculous.
That does seem ridiculous.
Thanks for the call.
That was a great one.
Here we go, next call.
Hey, what's up, Apple?
My name is Najim.
I'm calling from Miami, Florida.
And I have a problem, not with Apple, but actually with the way people are perceiving Apple.
So I just listened to last week's podcast, and there was one guy who going on about how at WWDC.
Apple didn't really innovate much but I have a problem with people always expecting innovations from Apple.
For most companies, innovations are like a once in a lifetime thing, and Apple has been lucky enough to do that a few times, once with the iPhone.
Again with the iPad.
But innovation don't really come when you're looking for them.
So I wanted to hear your guys' thoughts on this.
So what do you think?
Do you guys think that people are expecting innovation too often from Apple?
Or yeah, let me know your thoughts.
Thank you, goodbye.
I think he's absolutely right.
I think you make a great point about this expectation versus reality.
I think we've actually seen innovation from Apple.
For me, what I'm more, what I think is more distressing and what we've always tried to bring them back down to earth is when they talk like they're the most innovative company, but they're doing things that other people have done.
You can't walk around with that same swagger, right?
The apple watch, they wanted it to be their next thing, but it wasn't.
I really feel like if they make some sort of augmented reality glasses down the road.
I'm talking about three, four, five years down the road, I feel like whatever that ends up being or looking like and however stylist that is, maybe that is their next thing.
I feel like that could be a moment where they have the opportunity at least to have that Next thing.
But until then their innovations has been 3D touch, which is, I would say, depending on who you are.
Some people love it, and some people don't.
Some people don't use it.
Most people are like I don't even know what it works for.
But in order for them to elevate 3D touch, which I was super excited about when they first introduced it.
They have to make it ubiquitous on all their devices, right?
It has to work the same everywhere.
If it's just on a phone and and you don't know how it works.
That's one thing, I do like the fact that the iPad, its screen is what it is today.
But right after they announced 3D touch, I was like, wouldn't you maybe want to announce an iPad with 3D touch so people get familiar with the technology?
You're kinda creating and building a new behavior that people are used to.
And it just didn't happen.
And so that was an innovation for sure.
Who else really has that?
No one but.
But that was something that.
To take it on.
We weren't looking for.
We weren't asking for it.
It just kind of popped up.
It was something they thought of, which was the, kind of the point of his call, was like a lot of times when an innovation comes, we're not even expecting it.
We're like, my God, that's, that's a great idea.
I like that.
I'm gonna use that, you know?
Like, when the first iPhone came out.
The other things you mentioned like the Apple Watch and the sunglasses, I guess you could call them innovations but other companies have done them, so.
Which they did phones and they did tablets before.
Apple hasn't been able to recreate the magic that they used to have when Introducing their version of a product.
And I think that's kinda part of it.
And also, let's be honest, when you watch a keynote, the reason why it doesn't, how about this.
If you really pay attention to Apple keynotes, go watch a keynotes before, when Steve Jobs would kind of tell a story.
You can see how he's emotionally connected to the product.
Tim Cook just says, this is what we have, Tim Cook is like reading a checklist of like this is what we're gonna talk about next.
It's the greatest one we've ever made.
He's a sales voice.
There is no heart connected to it.
It's very, it's very logistical.
Then when the people come on stage you don't feel like they're passionate.
They're just running down specs and showing us how it works.
I was excited about the iPad because I'm like, wow, we've actually never seen something like this.
To me, that is actually them trying new things and being innovative.
But they didn't connect the emotion to the product of why you're doing it.
You don't even need to spend five minutes on it, just tell me a little bit of a story.
Of why it's so great instead of just going down a checklist of bullet points, of features.
It's totally different.
It just doesn't connect the same and so I think part of that has been lost but for people that say Apple is not innovative anymore it's just that other people are quite honestly innovating before Apple.
It's been this way, we've just felt like Apple is the innovator because they gave us the version of it that we really wanted.
I don't think they've given the version of a product that we've already seen yet in a long time.
Yeah, well, Dray Fay in our YouTube shot said, "The air pods are a cultural phenomenon."
Tim Cook said that.
Who said that?
Tim Cook said that.
Tim Cook said that.
But I mean you can't argue that, no one else, well there were other companies that have that.
But no one else had air pods and headphone-like device that was made specifically for their phone, which is their flag, well I don't know if their flagship phone.
But you know what I'm saying?
It was a new thing that we saw and now everyone wants it but they can't get it.
So, it's a fine line there.
There's a disconnect between reality and what Apple says and I think in the past they were able to sell that reality distortion field.
But now you have a bunch of guys.
That are trying to do that, but you don't believe it.
It doesn't come off the same way.
I think that's part of it.
You can always, quite honestly, every day technology companies are innovating.
It just depends on how you tell that story that makes it special or different than what other people do.
Then, the proof has to be in the pudding.
I gotta give Apple props, they were talking about promotion
I was like eating it up, and then I'm like, alright, I see if this really delivers.
And then when I got that iPad Pro, dude this is the fastest iOS device ever, I've ever seen.
I was like, OK, they lived up to it.
That's why I was hyped about it, I was like, damn, this is good.
You know you got to deliver, tell a story, deliver, and innovate at the same time for it to feel quote, unquote Innovative as a whole.
And a lot of the time some of the guys that are doing the biggest coolest innovations are in some little tiny shop somewhere in Silicon Valley.
We never even know about them.
And then a bigger company will come in and buy them just to shut them down or to just take their technology.
And we never really know about it so.
That's the world we live in.
I think that people, yeah I agree with him though.
I think that people are being a little too hard at it.
I just think the reason why people are being hard on it, and maybe some people would include me in that group, is cuz Apple talks so much junk like they are the best.
And it's like, that's not the best.
We've seen that like five times before, you know.
I know right.
That's the other issue that's happening.
People are quick to point out Android did that first any time.
You know, Apple makes some new announcement.
Android had that for two years already.
They always say that.
It's easy picking.
It's a low hanging fruit come on.
So yeah there you go.
Anyway that's all I got man.
That's all I got.
Warriors, 4-1, Champions 2 out of 3 years.
We'll see what happens.
NBA, time to catch up bro.
People who don't care about NBA are like, I hate listening to this part of the show.
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All right, peace.
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