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Are we killing music by streaming it, iOS 10's pros and cons (CNET's Open_Tab Ep. 6)Originally live on July 8. Music habits have moved to streaming for many, but have we lost the spirit of sound with it? Ty Pendlebury and Steve "The Audiophiliac Man" Guttenberg join Jeff Bakalar to discuss how we can save the quality of our songs. Then,...
[MUSIC] Hello, welcome everybody to Cnet's Open Tab, this is the show where we have a few drinks and we chat with you, the live viewing audience, on Facebook, on YouTube, wherever you're coming from. Thanks for joining us, my name's [UNKNOWN] On the counter, two very special guests. The first one, you will know him if you listen to my podcast, the 404 show. He is the audiophiliac man himself, Mr. Steve Guttenberg. Round of applause for Mr. Steve Guttenberg. Thank you. But you left out the sphere. Sphere. His nickname is sphere. Everybody, do yourself a favor and if you admire the man's shirt for a second <<that's corn="" on="" the="" cob.="">>Horizontally. Corn on the cob! Respect that, drink that in for a second. To his left, is senior editor Ive Pindleberry, how are you sir? I'm very well sir Thanks for being here. Thank you. You guys have your own podcast, right? </that's> Yeah. In Utero. Sure. In Utero. Yeah. Great Nirvana album. That's a good name. [LAUGH] A good name for the pub car. During Open Tab we are taking your question and comments live! So do yourself a favor. And get mentioned on the show. Type it on that keyboard that you're sitting at or on your phone. Typing this? Typing with your thumb. Well there's both kinds of typing. I'll show you what a phone looks like it'll be great. [CROSSTALK] So do all that and we'll respond to that whatever you guys wanna talk about. We will talk about but you guys are experts in the field. Of audio and fidelity. I wanna ask you guys some questions about the way we listen to music these days and you guys will hopefully be able to help out some of our viewing audience. So how do you guys, people who take audio to such a level that most people don't. Who care about that. That phonic sort of feel. The phonic feel. The phonic feel I just named your product for you. [LAUGH] I like it. So simply put how do you guys listen to music. Like what is your sort of ritual with that? I think we both differ. Almost completely digital with a bit of vinyl going in there. So you consider him like a savage? [LAUGH] He's a savage person. A diamond in the rough. I am from a colonial country, so we're a bit backwards. Well, a little bit. So when you say digital only, explain that. Most of the stuff, I will probably buy a couple of the second hand cds, but most the of the stuff I buy is flac files straight from the net. Right, and flac files as we all know that's F-L-A-C that is the best encoding, or raw [INAUDIBLE]. Right, so it's compressed like a zip file so everything goes in there comes out Gotcha. Whereas, something like an mp3, you pull bits out willy nilly almost just to get the size down. Right. People don't realize how much audio information is being deleted when you listen to an mp3. Steve's Read me the riot act. Most streaming is MP3. Right, most streaming is MP3 as well. Okay, so you're the digital guy for this conversation. And Steve, I bet we can guess what side of the fence you fall on. I am in the pure and perfect side. But no, seriously, when you ask that question For me, it's like, where I listen? Listening at home is very different, and better in almost every way than listening somewhere else. You're saying people don't take the time to just sit down in front of the whatever it is People don't take time to sit in the front of the iPhone. Their hi-fi, their stereo, their gramophone, whatever you want to call it. Right. They're not at one with their music. The music is there- People are doing other things is what you're saying. Yeah, they're multitasking or whatever. So you don't think there's enough of just like sitting down and appreciating what you're listening to? I'm not saying that's the only way. Right. I'm just saying if you love a band Sometimes just listen to a tune and close your eyes and don't do anything else.>> Closing of the eyes, I've actually- Cause that stops you from all of the->> Yeah, I've done that I've closed my eyes.>> Uh-huh.>> And I fell asleep.>> [LAUGH] What band was it. It was more like a jazzy. Was it Aerosmith? No it wasn't Aerosmith. They would put me to bed maybe when I was like a child. Okay, I can't speak for their current stuff. So anyway. Some people it doesn't make any difference, some people I'll hear things, I'll feel differently about them. Because how you feel about music is really the goal, right? And you just want people to get something from it. Yeah I want to be more connected to the music. I mean the artists, they have worked weeks, months, or possibly years to craft an album. And if you just have it on as you're doing other stuff You're missing a lot of what went into it. It's disrespectful, say it. Yeah it sucks, these kids. What do they know? Well they know a lot about streaming music because that's basically how the planet consumes music these days. Yeah it makes me sad. So what can people do? I know you're in a bit of a minority there but What can people do to get the best sound quality out of streaming services? I mean, a lot of people use Spotify, as far as the best, you can click the extreme quality button. Right, that's a good thing. Which it's a higher bitrate that what you get From the free version, but is there anything people can actually do to improve the quality? Get a good pair of headphones. Yeah, so I was gonna let everybody in on a secret. What's that? Whether it's [UNKNOWN] MP3 or FLAC files, the way to make things sound better Is to have headphones or speakers. Okay. That is way more important. So you think that is the number one tool? Better speakers better headphones. That makes a big difference. The latest generation of phones, your Samsung or your Your iPhone actually I have a pretty good headphone in but then they're not really audiophile quality but they'll drive a good set of headphone. You can spend 600 bucks on those pair of headphones and they'll think sound great to one of those. Right, yeah cuz I have a decent set of earbuds on my Nexus 6p, listen in a flat files on it. I'm super happy with how that sounds. Yeah, but if you listen to an MP3 file, it's not gonna burn holes in your ears. Yeah, you're not gonna die because you do that. No, you won't die, you might die a little inside. [LAUGH] But you aren't gonna actually drop dead. Each little hair, the follicles. Right. The nerve endings They'll die. They'll die. Right. They'll just go, eh. They'll just be like I'm unimpressed. Yeah. What about where you listen? We talked about this briefly a few minutes ago, but like where you listen to music has a great deal of an impact of the actual content that you're consuming, right? Like for me, I know if I want to check out the newest album from one of my favorite bands, I'm probably not going to listen to it while I'm walking through the street. Just because, like you said, I do want to maybe have a little bit of a quieter thing I'm not gonna sit in the corner of the room and close my eyes and do it. [LAUGH] But I'm never gonna Like in a lotus position [LAUGH] Exactly. Just like meditate? I'm not gonna do that necessarily, but I'm gonna find the time to do it where I'm not Multitasking. I think better of you now. My stock has risen a little bit. Yeah. All right fair enough. I think for me, on the subways, basically the only time I can finally enough get it some alone time but Sure. Having a good set of headphones, and a decent music player, even if you trade up from a normal phone. I've had some pretty fun experiences on a train listening to music. If you get some decent sort of noise blocking ones. Then you'll be okay? Yeah. Well maybe. Aside from your like, freaky deeky listening rituals, where else can people listen and get like An okay experience.>>You mean, other than home?>>Other than home in the closet, like you were.>>On beach, or on a park bench. Close your eyes. You got birds tweeting around you. That kind of thing.>>Life is just a big fantasy for you? [LAUGH] Big fantasy? What are you implying?>>You close your eyes in public places.>>You don't? [INAUDIBLE] Fair enough. It doesn't make a big difference. Eyes open, closed. That's true. That's a whole other story that we'll get to the next time on the show. Don't forget, we're taking your questions and comments. Anything audio related. You got two of the most prolific Audio reviewers in the biz right here. And knowledgeable too, I think that was implied with what I just said. Prolific meant a lot, but that's not quality. It did, nobody hears stuff the way these guys hear stuff. Right now guys what would you say are your favorite speakers and or headphones. Wait? Because- Let's speak as if you're gonna get headphones. Yeah, you do headphones, Steve. You're the headphone guy. What's a good headphone for someone with a $100 budget? I'm glad you're sitting down cuz I'm gonna say something [UNKNOWN] You might think this is April 1st or something. My god, you're gonna throw, this is curveball [UNKNOWN]. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] Look at your chicken scratches. It just falls off the tongue. So it's the Bose SoundTrue Ultra in-ear headphones. They're not sound buds that rest on your outer ears, they actually get jammed into your ears. But They're 129 bucks. They are super super comfortable. And it's the first Bose in ear headphone or earbud that I like. I don't like it. I love the [UNKNOWN]. Wow. 'Cuz you. Because, think. For that kind of money, it's hard. hard to be traditionally you despise everything Well I impartial I treat everybody fairly Right. I guess you should, they just haven't had a great track record with you [INAUDIBLE] Everything sucks, So every now and then, I can squeeze out something good. Then I go back to my familiar crap [INAUDIBLE] All right, all right, so tell us how you really feel. Yeah this is coming in from YouTube commentors as well. What about speakers, what's a favorite speaker of yours. Well speakers is a weird on because you can get passive speakers for About a hundred and thirty dollars plus a pair That's right, hook them up to an amplifier receiver Twenty two Yes sb Right so that's the I guess I think of those A hundred and twenty off. The speakers are kind of weird because Pioneer sold most of it's Musical assets to Onkyo, who now are continuing the brand and I guess America is the only market that carries Andrew Jones or lot of Andrew Jones products. Okay. So, if some of these speakers go on sale all the time. Some of the speakers disappeared, they had a fan base which has completely gone now, so If you want to get Andrew Jones' speakers now that he's moved on as well to Elac and producing some really great stuff, if you want to get Andrew Jones' pioneer stuff I'd say don't hesitate. Get it right now. Grab it. I mean seriously, it's There's nothing comparable for $129 a pair. I love seeing audio dudes get excited about audio stuff. No, I'm excited to get excited about something that real people can buy. It's not gonna kill them- Yeah, that's practical. And usually they'd say I'd like to get it but I can't afford it. It's $129 a pair, it's not gonna kill you. Yeah, right. I mean there are other cheaper speakers say from Dayton Audio but I don't think they have the Same quality. Not even close. [INAUDIBLE] What do you think about Onkyo? Onkyo, I remember back in the day I used to check out some, Onkyo systems and whatnot. Those, they, they make like the whole all-in-one packages You know, audio companies like Onkyo Thank you, it's like vintages of wine. There are good years, there are not. Okay so the 2012 was a nice instance of that. [LAUGH] .>> There was too much rain in 2013. You could hear it. You could hear it. The sound was wetter. All I can say about [INAUDIBLE] is that one of my favorite experiences is that one of the things Clued me into the hi-fi hobby was listening to Dark Side of the Moon on an Onkyo turn table. Now you're talking. 70's Onkyo turn table, electronics, it was beautiful, it was great. Analog. [CROSSTALK] Yeah it was Analog. But now I feel it. [CROSSTALK] [INAUDIBLE] That didn't happen on a FLAC file. No it didn't. [LAUGH] You can still experience that. [CROSSTALK] Absolutely. You can still get good stuff out of FLAC. [CROSSTALK] You can, I don't deny it. [CROSSTALK] When I listen to FLAC I fee like I am getting something that most people aren't. You are you are. But the thing is you literally do not know what you are missing. With mp3's. Right. It's like if you only had frozen orange juice and you never actually had a fresh... Squeezed orange- You're tongue was in your mouth. [INAUDIBLE] Is fine, it tastes great, yeah cuz you don't know what an actual orange tastes like. Okay, how about this? What is the- I'm sorry. What is the lowest- Is that unfair? What? It's a little unfair. [INAUDIBLE] Exaggerate for effect. Not the Evan Collins- I never called you a snob Steve but you're a bit of a snob. [LAUGH] You know it's because I care. It's because you care and you listen. See look, I'm covered. I can just sit in my house and say I don't care about you guys, I know what I need. I do this because I'm trying to help. People. You're spreading the love through sound. I am. Through sound. I'm spreading through everything. As wide as possible. Fair enough. How do I pivot out of that? I don't know. What about sound bars. Sounds bars. Can we go back to my surf? Sound bars. Sound bars get a lot of, they catch a lot of heat. Because some people say they're crap some people swear by them. Would you With a clear take on. You can swear at them and now I think that there's a number every know and then that I admire. Like they've come a really long way. So you're happy? I am especially for movies. I'm generally less happy with their sound for music. Okay. But for movies. Is there one you recommend for under $100? No, no. Okay, that's good to know. You want a soundbar you gotta spend a little more money. You gotta spend at least $200. Okay, name a brand real quick that you like. LG has got some really good stuff at the moment. Pioneer if you can still get Pioneer's stuff is good. Yamaha stuff is good. That's pretty much [CROSSTALK] I'm learning a lot. I actually have to take some notes because people are asking me about soundbars. I believe we have questions from the live audience. Let's check in with Mike. Hi guys, so we have a few comments about sound from people. Melissa says I do think a bit is lost via phones for sure, mostly her own hearing. Justin says he just wishes Apple music and the music app were separated. Peter says that he misses the attention given to album packaging. Some people are still trying he lists Tool, Beyonce, et cetera as examples. And Paul has a question he says that he has Sonos speakers. He's a [UNKNOWN] [UNKNOWN] service he was wondering if you guys think more music services are coming on the horizon. Probably not, I mean, the big one, or the big rumor this week was that Apple is supposedly in talks to buy a title. So I think that what's gonna happen is you're gonna see consolidation of music services. Cuz there's a lot, particularly in Europe, there's people like Deezer, and WiMP became Title. Title. And it was it's own brand for a while, so it's going to get smaller, rather than bigger. I can see people being really boutique-y and correlating, and being like that, but they're not going to make much money. You missed your big opportunity What's that? You just went right past it. The whole rune thing I love rune [CROSSTALK] is a very tweaky, high fi system, which integrates media on your home drive with [INAUDIBLE] and makes them into one library. Great service. Amazing interface. Costs $500. Well that's for the lifetime. $120 a year. That's actually not, okay. That could be 100 years. I love the service, I'm still trying to convince Steve over. Look guys, I like Bose headphones. [LAUGH] Anything can happen. Anything's possible. Do you guys ever think like a Spotify would switch We turned the flag switch on. Sure. Yeah- Really? I feel like I would pay more money. You would? How much more? I'd pay five dollars more. It's usually double. Right now what's Spotify ten bucks? Ten bucks. I'd pay- Wouldn't you pay 20? I'd pay 15, I don't think I'd pay 20. I'd pay 20 for Tidal and I love it. I got rid of Spotify because I don't use it. The stigma associated with Tidal Is understandable. The stench. Yeah the stench emanating, right? But at the same time the service great. The service is really good it's just because the whole- The politics around it. Right. Yeah I feel like I would definitely pay $15 a month for Spotify. Titles 20? Yeah. Yeah see that's kind of like the threshold for me. Right. I just think streaming FLAC is such a rad idea I was super psyched when Tidal came on and said they were doing that but then all that other stuff happened and kind of left a bad taste. But on your Spotify do you put stuff on your phone do you download to your phone much? I don't. Why not? Should I? I do, yeah. I mean, I've never really found myself in a situation where, I mean I also do have the black stuff that I've bought, loaded on to my phone. So, that's kinda where, I balance everything. So, you still buy and download a reference. I do, not often, but I do. Yeah. Out of guilt? Out of guilt, and yeah, self-pity. Good, good. That kind of thing. I prefer the guilt. All right, fair enough. Anything that gets you to support living bands. Right. Make them say hey guys, it's okay, make more records because Somebody will, Jeff will actually buy them. It's true, and to that point, someone in the chatroom brought up the idea of the lost art of packaging and that kind of experience of opening the record or opening the CD. Yeah. I struggle with that, cuz I used to love that growing up, buying the new NOFX CD, flipping through the thing, buying whatever Seeing what are they saying in that song? Like What is this? What are these awful photos they decided to include in the booklet. That's interesting. That's a weird stamp they have on the CD that's weird. Yeah I miss that but just like a book cover I've kind of just learned to let it go. Let it go, you let go. If you love it set it free. That's what I say. But something is lost >. It is lost. You know what I think is lost? I think a band or a group of whoever, an artist has a tougher time communicating their personality Right I think like that is lost in the whole thing, music video's are still a thing on YouTube They're nowhere near as prevalent as they were in the 80s and 90s. I feel like that communication is kind of lost Right. So well. Thank you so much for being here Steve we have to say goodbye to you. Okay. We're gonna take a break, when we come back someone different is gonna be sitting where you are at. All right can they fill my shoes? Definitely not because you have such huge feet. Right. [LAUGH] 13 Y. Where can people follow you on Twitter? [COUGH] Audiophiliacman. @Audiophiliacman. Reach out to Steve on Twitter if you want anymore audio questions. Thank you. We're going to take a break. Let's toss to Mike in the control room. All right guys. Thank you so much for all your questions about audio. We just want to give you a couple Quick shout out across both our YouTube and Facebook chats. So, hello on YouTube, to Diana, Sean, Joe, Seth, Harry, Billy, and Randall. Over on Facebook, hi to Miguel, Bob, Pete, Stewart. Robert, Jamie, Eric, Bernard, Dave, Paul, RJ, and Dennis. Please keep the chat going. We're going to move on to our next segment talking about what we like and don't like about ios 10, the dangers Pokemon Go, and our favorite music artists. So feel free to keep chatting and we'll keep you in and when we're ready to go we will throw back to chat. And continue on. Yes we will. Okay now sitting on the couch like he own's the place. Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to open tab. Mr. Joseph Kamensky. It's good to be the king>>It is good to be the King [Laugh]>>You look well you look well rested>>I am thank you>>Yeah>>Back from the Caribbean wasn't it>>The Bahamas yeah>>Really>>It was Beautiful>>What did you do there? Did you gamble>>Leah did I didn't I don't gamble>>Not with money>>No I don't gamble I don't gamble>>Just with life [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGH] All right. We got Joe back here, Ty's gonna stick around. It's time to parlay this conversation into what we're kinda experiencing in the iOS and Beta. The public Beta is out. If you have an Apple device you can get it on your Tablet on your phone, whatever the hell else they make. Have you played around with it at all? Briefly, Jacob put it actually on his Iphone I refuse to put it on mine. Why's that? Because we talked about this today on 44 how Betas are BS. Well it's a number of things, I've done the Beta on my 6 Plus last year and The releases for it, there's no rhyme or reason for the releases. And then- Wait, what does that mean? The updates for the beta. There's no rhyme or reason cuz there's certain things that may not work or may work like- Got you. Video [UNKNOWN] players. That's a developer thing, but yeah. And then when the full one comes out, there's sometimes a problem just pushing that through sometimes. You just wind up having to- Right. To download and force this. It's like you know what? I'll just wait. The last thing I wanna do is try to make a phone call and have that be the one feature not working. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's a safe bet that that will always work. It's funny, even my mom, who's very disconnected from keeping track of iOS updates, she's always like, Yeah, I'll wait til the 0.1 comes out, just because I know I gotta let that dust settle a little bit. [LAUGH] And she's not wrong. No, she's not. Right. They really have to shake the cobwebs out of that thing before you can get a reliable build. I think there's so much pressure to keep putting something out, to stay innovative just to keep ahead. That a lot of times we become the beta testers, even [LAUGH]- Totally. Don't be mistaken, they are collecting data on how the beta goes and taking that under consideration. So are you familiar with any of the new features? Is there anything about 10 that you're sorta psyched about? The text feature's probably fun back and forth, You know, my son so far, when you lift it up and the notifications seem pretty cool. Sounds like they're spending a lot more time on the lock screen too, right. The lock screen has some cool notifications, what I would love and I hope that they don't do it was maybe under the settings with three d touch where you can enable, you can customize it, because the only thing I want to go through on the three d touch really quickly from the settings Would be to turn my hotspot on and off. Right. I think that would be really cool. I mean, I'm not sure if they did anything with that. What else did they do with that thing? Well Ty, you're an Android guy/ Right. Like myself. I've seen an iPhone, have you touched one? I had, I think, the last iOS I had was iOS 5, maybe. Five? Okay. So I had a He's touching it. I had a 4, I had the 4S or the 4, so, and then I went to Android. What, so you've been there for awhile, me, personally, I am indifferent. Like, I'm an Android guy because I happen to like that OS better, I think if something came along attractive enough from An iPhone I would switch, I've just never been presented with an opportunity to be like this is the time to switch over. Is there something that would convince you to make the switch? I don't know, if the design was good enough. I think that particularly the iPhone is sort of. Being in a kind of holding pattern design-wise. Right. I think the 4 was probably the nicest, and there was a throwback with the 6S had the glass back again. No. The 7th? The 4S was the last of the glass. I liked that design, and that's why I had that phone, but. I think, you know, you got a lot more variety obviously with Android, you've got hundreds of different multiple you can choose from. So. That's a mixed blessing right? Right. That's a, deal with fragmentation and issues like that. Right. And the fact that each manufacture has to modify the OS to fit their phone [CROSSTALK] 6 months old, [CROSSTALK] And that's- And then Nexus has had some really nice phones. Definitely. Mike in the control room tells me there's a question from the chatroom. Yeah guys, so Nicholas says if there's one thing he doesn't like about iOS 10, it's clicking the home button to unlock the phone, because there was a big change with the notification screen and the unlock screen, and on YouTube we had someone who asked I'm not sure if we know that definitively yet though. Did Apple fix the battery problems with iOS 10 on the iPhone 6s? I don't know about that with the batter stuff. It might be too early to tell. Yeah, I mean, when you're in bed, you can never rely on battery. I would assume that it burns new battery quicker. Yeah. I think one thing that's also overlooked when it comes to the whole iOS, Android thing is that Money invested. I had the first iPhone and didn't get another iPhone again until the 4s, but I did get another iPhone Touch in between that. And I've purchased a number of songs, speaking of which, everybody's talking about purchased. And at that time Apple had you locked cuz, you know the music was encrypted. Yeah. So, you know between music purchase and movie purchases Apps purchased. Sometimes you're kind of just locked there because you spent more money on your library than you actually did on the device. And I do, and I have. Like from first generation iPod touch have been purchasing stuff through it so I mean I'm well invested in that. Maybe if there was an incentive program, well let's say you wanted to buy and android device and. And developers said hey you want angry birds for such and such if you switch it from iOS we'll give you a discount or something like that, they may inspire a jump between but that's probably another reason why a lot of people's probably stay with where they are they're just suspended til then because no one wants to be on the sinking ship so to speak. All right you have your marching orders Mr. Cook, get to it. Let's move along Amazon prime day is July 12th. If you recall Amazon prime day, it is the one day of the year that Amazon kind of came up with a self-declared holiday if you will, offering thousands and thousands of sales on their site exclusive to prime members Prime day take two is happening July 12th, we know a little bit about it. We know that they are focusing on TV's and toys. Toys is super big, I don't know what the hell that means. Some deals are rolling out ahead of the sale itself they're calling them like countdown prime deals. What do you guys think about prime day are you psyched are you tepid? What's the deal? Last year was kind of disappointing. It was really bad. They had this big buildup. It's going to be bigger than Black Friday. Yeah. And it kind of fell over in a heap.Now, there was, I don't know. I didn't take advantage of any of the sales. I didn't either. It was hard to find anything. I bought a Dust Buster, and then I found out I saved like. $.78. Right. And I was like what the hell I didn't really need to do that. I guess because with black Friday have people like us who can count down the deals equity it all. Sure. And all the new outlets are. Prime days it's kind of it's own thing harder to catalog and point to where the good stuff is. Yeah for me I get it I know why Prime day exists. And for what its worth, it did real well last year. Amazon killed it on Prime day. Even though there like this inexplicable sort of understanding of what was on sale and what wasn't. Right. It makes sense that they would do this again. I don't know. Did you buy anything last year John? No I didn't buy anything. It has to be really good to force me to purchase something when I'm not planning on purchasing it. Right. But I didn't see anything, there was nothing that really impressed me. The last thing that I think I bought, preordered was the Echo. Okay, so what do you think about the- And the Fire TV stick when it twenty- And you gotta imagine all their first party stuff is gonna be on sale right? Right. Kindle goes on sale, everything goes on sale. For me it's just the navigation was kind of twisted up. I felt like I had a really tough time understanding what was the deal? They were having these Flash Sales and just I need to research. I have to draw out a map. And that's what they don't want you to do. Yeah because. They've kind of got the monopoly on [UNKNOWN] inside so. Right That can control what is, you know, highlighted or, For sure, it seems a little counter intuitive but hey, am obviously going to Amazon, [LAUGH] to check it out. It's gonna be good. Lovely, I mean, the nice thing for like people now is that they don't have to pay for the whole year, they can just do the monthly subscriptions They kinda wanna slip in and just check out the sale and be on. Right. You're not committed for the whole- [UNKNOWN] Yeah, I mean, well that's cool, because if you come in on that month and disappointed, you're not stuck paying that whole 100 for the whole year. Don't forget, it's only good for Prime members. That's July 12th, and well, I guess we'll have a postmortem. There are two types of Prime members. There's the monthly and the annual. Yeah, we'll have a postmortem on Prime Day next week. Okay. what do you guys know about Pokemon Go? [LAUGH] I know you know way more than you're [CROSSTALK] I'm not a Pokemon fan. You're a Dragonball guy? I'm a Dragonball guy. couldn't you tell everybody? Just by looking at us? This is my [krillin?] cut. So do you know anything about Pokemon Go? All I know is still is the story earlier this week It was actually the first thing that I heard about Pokemon Go, was that the Darwin Police Department in Darwin, Australia, Northern Territory. Where I have been too, because everyone in Australia has been everywhere in Australia. Even me. [CROSSTALK] I got you. Wait you're Australian. [LAUGH] No no but they said that they have issued a warning to people saying you weren't allowed to go into the Darwin Police Department or the police station to get your Pokemon Go characters. So if they appeared there, you weren't allowed in. Surely they'd say don't go into strangers' houses or you know don't go off cliffs, it's no, don't go into the police station. Yeah. Okay. Australia doesn't really have a lot of problems. I guess. [LAUGH] That's something that, you know put on the surface to the top. So here's where Pokemon Go is. It's a mobile game that uses AR. So Augmented reality. Augmented reality, which means you are holding up your phones camera in the world around you and there is sort of like Putting their placing Pokemon around areas in the real world and you have to like flick out the Pokemon ball, am I saying that right? I think so. I don't know anything about Pokemon. [LAUGH] I know my son would go crazy if they had a Yoki. Yeah. Of whatever that is. He loves Youkai. Okay. You need the Youkai watch to see Youkai. Right I forgot to get one. [LAUGH] So that's the thing a lot of people are complaining that it doesn't work though. Everyone's calling it Pokemon. Stop. [LAUGH] Obviously. Yeah, because the servers are having issues connecting. God. We were talking about today, my buddy Russ was only able to hook into it like twice, set up a username and that was it. Not enough money to keep the servers going. I don't know if that's what it is, but. Instead of Pikachu, Brokeachu [LAUGH]. [LAUGH] This is not a great launch for that brand, and I feel like It's been a rough couple of years. Well Pokemon has been alright, but the Nintendo sort of ran and taken a bit of a [INAUDIBLE]. The way you suppose to sell 100 million copies, and sold 12 million. Well 12 million is a lot. For that, I guess. Anyway, [CROSSTALK]. If it was on sale on Amazon Prime? $100? I'd buy it for $99. So, that would be going rate. Heard that, Amazon. There you go. [UNKNOWN] [LAUGH] We've got advice for mister Cook and mister Basil. [LAUGH] Take note. All right. And I definitely wanna bring up the band Steve brought up because right now i wanna know what everyone's favorite Band is right now, what are you listening to? Maybe this played in a little better with the conversation before, but who are you listening to? Steve said Mystery, what did you say? Mystery Lights, Brooklyn. Mystery Lights from Brooklyn, so check those guys out. Who do I listen to? Any new bands? There is a Pokemon connection with the band that I like. Stop it. How is that even a thing? I knew there was a reason. There's a band called Mew which is a Pokemon character. Mew? Mew. M E W. Okay. There's a band. You could name anything. That's a Pokemon character. [LAUGH] There's a band who really like Mew, except they're death metal. ok. And they're called Astronoid. Now you're talking my language. It's a really sort of space poppy, death metal record and I really love it. Mu? Mu. What about you? No, no Astronoid. Mu is the band I like. Astronoid. I'm caught in a time warp. I mostly listen to old stuff like old freestyle or pop biggie Right. And so I mean a couple new songs will trickle out maybe but all freestyle. That's about it, I'm pretty boring. You said it, not me. I'm listening to a band called Thrice right now. They have a new record that is actually surprisingly good. You've heard of Thrice. Only three times. [LAUGH] I guess you're gonna have to end things on that Joe. [LAUGH] Thank you for joining us. For another edition Open Tab, you can catch us each and every week right here on Facebook or YouTube wherever you want to consume us. Keep the conversation going in the comment section below, we will see you next time. Thank you so much for tuning in. Until then, [INAUDIBLE] [MUSIC] [LAUGH]