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Six of the best? iPhone 6 and Apple Watch in CNET UK podcast 402Thumbs-up or thumbs-down for the new larger iPhone, Apple's first phablet and the Apple Watch?
[MUSIC] Hello and welcome. You're listening to the CNet UK Podcast. This is episode 402 for Friday the 12th of September 2014. Watch this space. The Apple watch is finally here. And so if the iPhone 6. Plus, 4oD is for the chop. HTC has mystery plans, and Bono has hacked your iTunes. I'm Rich Traynham, and joining me in our high tech London studio this week is Lee Questaway. Hello. Good to see you. Thanks, I've been hacked by Bono. [LAUGH] Yeah. Knew I couldn't trust them. That was painful, actually. Yeah [LAUGH] And Beholo ye Oh, hi, I'm here too, thanks. It's good to be back, back in London It is good to be back. After, after building and such. Have you missed us? It feels very good., isn't it? Well, it's been, yeah, so we had our week off. to go and tour the tech of the times. In fact, Adam, why don't we move on talk about that right now. But first we should note that we are of course filming this as always, so look for it on CNet.com or youtube.com/cnet. Well [INAUDIBLE] we look good. We do look good. We look great. We scrub up Okay. All right let's get help with the news. [MUSIC] So I'm gonna kick off by talking about either, all the ether that's going to be the tech show that we went to in Berlin all last week saw somebody form Samsung who had the Galaxy Note 4, the Note Edge, we have the Sear S we have the Gear VR. What else do we have, Sony, Sony [INAUDIBLE] Z3, Z3 compact, Z3 tablet compact, Azus Zen watch, Azus brought out a netbook, as though it's 2007 again! . Hooray. One of my favorite things of the show. Netbooks are back They're back baby. Qualware sendmate 7, Still going, there's so much stuff, so much stuff going on. So much stuff going on. So that's kind of, it. If you go to [INAUDIBLE] you can see all of those things. But I thought if we each pick out one of our favorite things Mm. from the show. Okay. So, Luke, what's yours? [LAUGH] Alright. Well my favorite thing in the show was the Galaxy Note Edge, which in case you missed it Mm-hm. is. A version of the Galaxy Note 4 that has a curved screen, but not a curved screen like LG's G, Flex, or something Not like banana shaped Mm-hm, yeah not banana shaped or anything the phone's completely flat More like Samsung Curve But yes that's right Which was like a, I don't know, piece of paper, like a half a cardboard toilet roll. Yes, that's right that's right. [INAUDIBLE] But it's got a, if you're watching the video version you should be able to see it on screen in a minute, but in fact it's got a a gently curved edge of screen, so it's like a waterfall. Display off the Yup. edge of the phone. Oh, okay that's nice. It is, it is, really cool. And actually it's one of the things where you sort of, you get it in your hands and you think oh man that looks really cool. It's super futuristic cuz the display Mm. properly curves round. There's no dip in the quality of the display or the pixel count or anything Yeah. And it looks just as close to the top of the screen. It just looks really cool. And what I was impressed with was how many practical uses Samsung's crammed into that extra strength bit. Mm. So that's where you're gonna get notifications on this phone. That's where you get your favorite apps and stuff like that. and, you know, play a little. And when you're watching a movie you can get your play and pause controls [INAUDIBLE] Yeah that's right. And the like camera controls will be up there when you're using the camera app Yeah. So, it, it just feels like they put a little thought into it, and obviously, Samsung didn't, kinda, invent smartphone or anything, but it did put it, push it forward in some significant ways, like, particularly with the size that we've seen Apple sort of forced into more recently, and I felt maybe this, you know, I thought that within everything we were gonna get from smartphones, that there. Plateaued. But maybe this is a bit of late game innovation from [CROSSTALK] Late game. Just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. Did the same with the, the galaxy phones that have the projections built in and we're seeing all these different weird concepts that [UNKNOWN] future and. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. But this actually doe seem genuinely quite useful. Good. Because it's not extending the screen, it's actually providing a new way of showing on screen buttons and things, which is pretty cool. [CROSSTALK] Which is a reason to go and view the video if you're listening to it. [INAUDIBLE] But the again. Oh look at it. I know. [CROSSTALK] Like a jewel. Yeah you see, so it's, it's nice. It's got that extra bit that doesn't take up the main part of the screen. Yeah. It's neat, it's neat. So that, that's my favorite thing. Edge. Andy what was your favorite thing. I'm gonna cheat if I may. I'm actually gonna have two. Firstly Woah! So [CROSSTALK] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop a minute. [CROSSTALK] Stop it mate. Stop it mate. We're losing control of the podcast. I need to. Stop it. I'll keep them quick. The three compact Sony's phone because, you said one compact was the, the first compact phone we've seen. Yeah. That was actually a proper flagship version and that's just been shrunk down a bit. Yeah. I'm ordering the phone, including VS5 mini that just reviewed, is basically just. it, it only looks like the flagship and it has the same name, but all of its main specs are completely watered down. That isn't the case with Sony's Zed Three compact. It is a proper flagship phone in a more pocketable size. You're a big fan of the Zed One compact. I am a big, and you are using that as well. Yes, that's right. That means you like it, too. It is the phone that I'm using. I, I really like it. Outdated version of that. Couple of things that were wrong on that have been. I've been polished [INAUDIBLE] My other product was the Azus Zen watch, it's an Android wear smart watch, we're not gonna Android wear too much right now, but this is actually possibly the prettiest wear Android watch around, because it's a lot slimmer than the other ones, it's got this hand stitched leather strap. And it's, the body itself, is, is gently curved, it's thin, and it's got this rose gold metal color. Which I think, it's, it's certainly among the more feminine small watches, which all tend to be a little bit- Okay. Butch and sporty, and, and stuff, where this is a bit more pretty. Girlfriend is sporty, too? >. No, no, no, but you know, but like, and if it's Men like me, can prefer the smaller- [LAUGH] I'd say that More delicate watches, because some of us. A very thin wrist. Like a pair of squashed Pringle tubes. How narrow are your wrists? I can, I can get around with my little finger, there we go. With my thumb and little finger. Is that, is that, is that the, I can't get around my little, how long are you fingers? [LAUGH] Well that's something we've done. Yes. [LAUGH] So there you go yeah. So that's great. I'm glad that that's happened now. There, there's a reason to watch the video. [LAUGH] Can you fit your thumb and little finger around your wrist? Yes, I've got small. I've got, I've got- I can't get around my- I can fit all of my fingers around. So the, the product that I like, that [UNKNOWN], go back to Sony. It was the Sony, short-throw projector, which is a little tiny box, about the size of a box of tissues, and, it fits, it fits anywhere, really. You can stick it on your fridge, you can sit it at the base of a wall,. And it projects, a tv image above it, which is, it's pretty cool. And you can interact with that. So when you stick it on your fridge, you can, for example, turn it into a kind of a pin board and it shows photos. And you can move the photos around. Wow. And then, if two people have the same one in different houses, then you can have the same. Pinboard to [UNKNOWN]. And when one person shares a photo from their phone on to this surface, it's a kinda virtual pinboard. Then both people see it which is pretty cool. And although as it works the TV as well. But it's it is a prototype at the moment so in a little it's gonna be coming out. There is a different version which is a massive full sized wall sized one. Which projects this huge wall shaped version. Of a, of a four K image but that's worth like $30 thousand now. Wow. [CROSSTALK] Lotta money. It's a lot of money, but it was, that was, that was pretty cool. So, yeah, that was what I enjoyed. But yeah, you can check up all the all the videos and the hands on first impressions. Yeah. Of those and all that kinda stuff if you look at cnet.com/ifa IFA. IFA is how you spell that and then you'll see all our coverage, and you should go and see it because. We did some really great stuff. But now I'm going to move on, if that's alright by you Good idea, yeah I'm gonna move on to Channel Four, because 4OD is being overhauled almost completely Yup. To transform into All 4, A L L 4, the numeral. Now this is basically, it's the catch up and on demand service. Getting a complete rebrand and it will include live TV. It will have current episodes that are upcoming. It's gonna have classic services. And that's gonna be coming, they said Q1 2015, so that's around spring. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] I, I'm really keen for it. I mean, so there's very sort of a different on demand that catch up services for TV channels. There's Demand Five, and iTV player, and iPlayer for the BBC. Yeah. I really like 4oD. I mean it's, it's, it's really old for a start. It's been around since 2006 which in, in internet years Wow In internet video years that's a really long time. Grandad Exactly [LAUGH] And what I really love about it is it's got so much archive material on there which iPlayer for example doesn't and obviously they've got got incredible, stuff in the vaults of the BBC, but Sure But 4oD I mean it's got all the kind of the old comedy stuff on there, so it goes back to Drop the Dead Donkey and the Comic Strips and Desmond's, Father Ted Mm, Father Ted and. Space the full thing and its all free. It was only relatively recently it brought in adds. So i'm a big fan of 4 AD. Let me tell you why i think it sucks it just doesn't work. I I so many times and it is more often then not even though i have an amazing connection at home. The ads will always load, and I'll sit through 3 or 4 minutes of adverts- Mm-hm. But then the content actually won't, the show won't load, an particularly more often, the advert break. Mm-hm. Halfway through a show. And I'll be enjoying this show particularly when I watch a lot of, Jamie Oliver's, like, famous fit in minute meals. And so we tried. With all this classic stuff that we've just talked about. All the Alan Blaze style and Denny's concert. I love [CROSSTALK] watching, watching cooking shows. I love the idea the idea that you were getting so irate. That Jamie Oliver's thing won't know. [LAUGH]. Well it get's me irate is I'm paying for the service by watching their ads. Because it is a free service but it's ad supported so. That is true. That is, that is your payment. Yep. So your paying for this service by watching all these ads, and the ads never fail to load but yet the programs do and that's really bad, like. I wouldn't mind if everything failed all together, it just said service unavailable but when you sit through all these ads and then it still won't play. Cause Jenga delivers faces impossible to ditch sites which has been a real problem>> There aren't enough pixels in the world to do that, well it's I mean it's interesting that it has been around for 8 years and now were still having these problems like when Game of Thrones we had. Streaming problems, and all that kind of thing. Also, you can't air play it through, through apple TV, and you can't mirror it, because it just comes up with a bit warning on your TV saying this is 4G, does not support content, please play it back on TV Disgusting. It is disgusting. Last night, trying to watch Jamie Oliver. Am I right in thinking that 4OD only got an Android out last year. It sounds incredible but yeah, early last year, yeah, February 2013 I believe it was. Well that's terrible, so hopefully, when this launches it should have an Android app, that way hopefully they won't have to wait another, what. About seven years. [LAUGH] Seven years to get one. But apparently yeah, they are. It's on, it's on PC and iOS at first. Amazing, so they've announced it now. It's not out for over six months. And they already know that if>> Enjoy that one.>> Yeah. We don't know exactly what it will be on but we know what it won't be on. What I love about this is they've given six months for the Android fans to get annoyed by this because Android fans they hate complaining. They're never gonna spend the next six months getting annoyed by this.>> Huh.>> I mean to be fair it is ridiculous.>> They'll be making their peace with. With things quickly. Exactly, we saw the same thing with, with sky as well with those sky apps, there was now tv and and sky go and all that kind of thing and for ages that wasn't on android. Because sky would say we have to test on every single phone and that kind of thing so that you know there was some really unhappy sky subscribers who have an android phone which is fair enough because it's the biggest operating system. And you pay a lot for it. If you're a sky customer. Yeah definitely. And it's the same with channel 4, pull your finger out channel 4. We like your old stuff. We love John Sim, more John Sim. More Jon Sims, please. [LAUGH] Yeah, and a lot, well, more quick first reckless, as well, a lot of [UNKNOWN] So they, You're all that. Oh, I know, I know both those people. What about a **** show, starring Eccleston and Sims? Yeah. In fact, they could play the young versions of Sean Bean and Ray Winston. When they go back in time because we're working on a [UNKNOWN] show [UNKNOWN] Because unbelievably they've never been in a show together. Well they have [UNKNOWN] Henry VIII but they've not been in a kind of proper north and south com-drama which we're working on copyright. [UNKNOWN] so I'm gonna move on to some other news. Probably best yes. And that is that HTC has sent out some invites for a. Mystery event, on the eighth of October. Oh, is it a watch, say it's a watch, please let it be a watch. It's probably not a watch. The invite, the invite involves HTC asking people to submit selfies, and it has, sort of, cryptic references to camera things, that says double exposure. So it seems to me more likely that they're gonna come out with a phone that has a selfie mode. Which is something that both Samsung and Apple have done in the last. Week. Yeah, which is, you know, it's very buzz worthy and stuff, but selfie mode is just, Yeah, I mean, but to me it feels like, that's what it, it wouldn't surprise me if HTC was sort of, like, a day late, and a dollar short, to a mode that wasn't even that exciting. But, but, but, but, the HTC watch is apparently alive and kicking.>> Ooh! CNET has heard, so, you know, the rumors. [INAUDIBLE] of the HCC watch demises, plus a bit exaggerated. [CROSSTALK] Okay, cool. Cool. Well that's we should look forward to that, won't we. [CROSSTALK] Yes, absolutely. Another thing we might be looking forward to is listening to some U2. Oh, deary me. [LAUGH] Hello, hello, hello. Hello. yes. So, I almost didn't get that for a moment. Yeah, which is almost it's almost painful. And by almost I mean it's physically hurting it off, cuz You know, we had to, U2's, album is, is now, being sort of force fed to all iTunes users and iPhone owners. That's right, yeah. Around the globe and automatically being loaded on and- From the Apple board chairman. Yeah, that's right. So at the end of the Apple event, U2 came on, they played a song. Mm-hm. Of questionable quality, say if it was good or bad, music is subjective. Yeah. And then, you know, Bono did a bit of, slightly awkward back and forth with Tim Kirk, at the end of which it was revealed that everyone that was an iTunes customer would have a free copy of YouTube's new album, Whether they wanted it or not. Did anyone in the audience applaud like, as always? No, not me, there wasn't much applause at first, and then Bono fixed them with his, Terrifying eye contact, even through the sunglasses it works. The camera cut away, and he removed the sunglasses and everyone went oh, Awe, They were fixed to his Bono reality altering field, or something. Anyway, so if you have an iPhone or iTunes, or something, you will find this album popping up in your purchased tab, so iTunes kinda says you purchased it. So it's not sort of, physically downloaded it to your phone, but you don't have to go and seek it either, it's. It's kind of- There, there. I love the idea of a free album. I mean, I'm not a huge U2 fan but, you know, a free album is a free album. Yeah. You know, nothing to be sniffed at. But yeah, the delivery, method seems a little odd. It's a bit weird. Kind of a bit of a backlash. It's a bit like going around and posting it to every door in the world, isn't it, and you get a sense. Well I imagine maybe Bono tried that, but it was frankly exhausting. He made it round half the solid hole and just had to say you know, Apple gonna's have to do this. One thing that is a bit, and I mean, yes, ok, so it's a free album and that's cool and nobody's forcing you to listen to it or anything like that. But at the same time, you know, the more these huge bands give away free music especially to people who aren't really kind of you know people who seek out music. If they give away free music, it kind of devalues. Music, they're rich enough not to care about that, but that's the kind of ongoing problem that digital music is kind of causing, it's a bit of an issue. But if you're not a YouTube fan, is this the undeletable fire? No, it isn't, it's easy to delete it. [CROSSTALK] It's not a U2 reference. It is, it's a U2 album. Man, if only I knew anything about U2. Well have you still found what you're looking for? There you go. More puns. You can't get rid of it, it's not, it's not on your phone permanently. They're not forcing you to How do you dismantle this atomic bond. You you. If you're on your pc you can just go into iTunes select the tracks as normal and just hit that good old delete key. To have some refreshing YouTube free time, on your iPhone as well let's go into it and you swiped right on the tracks or swipe left on the tracks and just hit- Mm-hm. Delete. And then they're gone. And then, a picture of Bono pops up and goes, are you sure now? [LAUGH] I don't want that [INAUDIBLE] quite, it's quite telling I think that, Samsung- How's the edge? [LAUGH] Yeah just fine [LAUGH]. [LAUGH] I think it's. When did I see them? At a pop concert. Who was playing? We were. Of course. So yeah, yeah, I think it's quite telling that some [UNKNOWN] when they were giving away a free album they gave away Jay Z's free album and then Apple gives away U2. This is, this is an especially odd move. Following on from the Beats acquisition. Because I thought. I guess they forgot about Dre. [LAUGH] Well, they did. They did forget about Dre. Ran to him driving Dean Cooks driving home, be like, great car. Oh my God. LL Bean. Really, he's still in that cupboard. 12 missed calls? What? [LAUGH] Yeah, slightly odd choice, but they got a free album. Well, if we haven't talked about apps enough, we are going to talk quickly about the iPhone, and what you can buy in the UK, and how much it costs. So, brace yourselves, cuz it's it's pretty eye watering. Let's move on to big picture. [MUSIC] [NOISE] [MUSIC] Yes, it's that time of year again. The new iPhone is upon us. This week, Apple unveiled the new iPhone 6 and as rumored, finally bowed to the trend for bigger screens with it's first public, the iPhone 6 plus. And Apple boss Tim Cook finally revealed the iWatch too except it's called the Apple watch. Guess there's no I in Tim. The Apple watch is on sale next year. So it looks like smart watches really are a thing. Well, not here in this green and pleasant land. No UK release has been announced for the Apple watch yet. Another treat, for our American cousins, only is Apple Pay. But, luckily we don't really need it here. In the US they're still stuck with the swipe and sign method of paying for stuff that we got shut of ten years ago. Replaced by chip and pin. In theory, Apple Pay should work with the contactless tills that have started to appear at all the big chains here. But, Apple has to make deals with the shops and banks first. Back to the stuff we will get. iOS 8 heralds the new phones, that's out next Wednesday, for free, followed by the new phones on Friday. And the prices? The iPhone 6 starts at 540 Pounds, for the 16 gig model, and 620 Pounds for 64 gig model or 700 Pounds for the biggest 128 gig model. The larger 5.5 inch iPhone 6 Plus starts at 620 for 16 gig of storage, 700 for 64 gig of memory, and 790 pounds for 128 gig of space. So, chaps what do you think of those prices? Luke, that's pretty expensive right? Yeah, my, my wallet shrivelled up, and fell down the hold in my jeans pocket. That's basically 800 pounds for the most expensive one. 800 pounds, that is insane. And it, and that is bad. Yes. But whats interesting about it from a kind of I know immediately about what I want. So, it does not effect me. It is kind of the sort of impact shows Apple has had. And Apples fortitude if you like. Because it the. These iPhones are more expensive Yeah. than the very first iPhones that were, sort of, brought out in, in 2007, 2008. Okay. Sure. And, it's kind of impressive that Apple has stuck to its guns and kept this thing, not only as expensive, but actually. Sort of gradually made it more expensive than, than, than it used to be. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, And that's, I suppose that's notable because it's the opposite to what we see happen with Android, where. Okay. It's become cheaper and cheaper to buy smart phones. The current technology is, is, has, they've become cheaper. The phones themselves have come down in price. I mean obviously works well for Apple though. Having a phone that is more expensive because they're still making money, so. Yeah. I think that's going to, that's my angle on the price. That it, it, like, Apple stuck to its guns and it seems to have worked for them. Yeah. But obviously it's not working for anyone who has to pay all that money. Well that's true. Andy has some thoughts on this when we come back and we'll ask we'll find out what other, readers think about this. So Andy, yeah? Well I, I just think that people are. Far more now actually questioning the value of these things and when we see a phone that topping nearly 800 pounds, 800 pounds, that's just a loudacris amount of money to pay, I regards of your thought it being a fashion term in this luxury icon to aspire to. You can get absolutely fantastic performing Android phones for hundred pound mark that do the same. Fundamental tasks and if all you want from a phone is calls, texts, twitter, web browsing to find CNet. Mm-hm. Podcasts so you can watch us in the podcast which is obviously all you need from a phone you can get that for 100 pounds. Sure. [CROSSTALK] And it will do a lot. I mean, obviously it does a lot of extra features that the iPhone has, but there's got to be a happy medium. I just can't imagine that. It's gonna have this massive uptake. Hm, okay. [CROSSTALK] Of course. Well, yeah especially if they're, if they're expecting you to spend another $300 or whatever it is for the watts on top of that- Yeah. of which we haven't got yet, but hopefully we'll see next year. I mean, what do, so what have our readers been saying? Commenter MDL199 says, that pricing is literally a. [UNKNOWN] Literally a scandal. Yes. In reply to that user Real Steel says if they can afford it then why not? At the end of the day it's their money and their don't give a hoot. Well And that was about the most positive comment on the price that we could find. Yeah that was it, that was as good as it got. You don't see anyone saying oh you know, it's totally worth it. I think, I think possibly at this stage you know, at that sort of price I think we're gonna be seeing. The network prices being the important thing in the contracts. Especially with the 6- Yeah. because that is so much more expensive. This is kind of a wild card. It's Apple's first fablet. It's it's much more expensive than the iPhone. It's so it, it, it's slightly bigger, right? Yeah. It's was it 5.5 inches? Yep. But it's also much more expensive than the iPad Mini, which it is. Approaching inside- It is, yea. - Which is kind of weird. Apart from the fact it makes phone calls and it's got the fingerprint reader. You know, there's, there's very little difference between the iPad mini and, and, and, the the iPhone 6. Plus- Sure! Certainly in terms of things you do every day. I mean it's, you can get 4G versions [INAUDIBLE] I'm just saying I mean it's just a phone part, they don't even make these calls anymore, so you know, it's really weird this I think [UNKNOWN] last year I spoke to, I think it was Asus. They launched a like a 3G call making capable tablet, seven inch I think for 150 quid or something like that. It's not remarkable in itself. It was either a pad phone or a phone pad. Yeah [CROSSTALK] And I kind of asked some of the people at Asus sort of. Why is this so cheap Mm-hm. when a smartphone Yep. like a tablet Hm. is a hundred pounds more Yeah. Like what difference? If this can make calls Hm. how is it different? Why is it so much cheaper? At that point you would chat ticked off when you were [LAUGH] Yeah at that point threw a shoot into it Yeah. [LAUGH] after the shock. [LAUGH] Someone put their hands there and be like. I'm sorry Mister [UNKNOWN] This interview is over, kill him. Yeah, just bit down on the cyanide pill, you know what I mean. Yeah, and actually, no-one really could give me a straight answer, so it's a little odd. I think it's a combination of things like, there are different components, you do get fancy components, but I don't think that makes up for the enormous difference in price. It's difficult to say if it's too expensive though, because it is a luxury item, in the same way as. A sports car, a Ferrari is for 200,000 pounds, is that Mm. too expensive when it fundamentally does the same thing as a Ford Fiesta for 8,000 pounds? Which'll get you to the shops and back. Yeah get you to the shops and back. Like, if you want to pay that much for, to have that icon, to have these things Mm. then go ahead, pay it. Yeah. I think what, what's slight different is that everyone knows that a luxury car. Is, you know, like a luxury sports car and they're not for everyone. They're a niche market. Mm-hm. Whereas the iPhone is, I think in many people's' mind, the default smartphone. It is the, the de facto smartphone, so it is something that Apple is absolutely pitching everyone. Mm-hm. Apple's not saying that this is a luxury thing for oil barons. No. It's saying that everyone should pay over 500 pounds. Hmm so as far as the concern is what you know this, this is keeping overall prices up. That's very true yeah, yeah. The other thing I mean it, we should know as well that the prices of the the current models have gone down but we certainly wouldn't recommend buying the the eight gig five series because eight gig phone is is a bit of a waste of time. Yeah. But the other thing Andy is it's hard to compare spec, a spec right. It is hard to con spec, compare spec to spec against like the, the new iPhones and things like the, the Note Four. Mm-hm. That we've just, we've seen release night. Cuz. Or the Lumia 1520. Or, yeah, or things like that [LAUGH] like the bigger phones, it's just Had to get a Windows phone mentioned in Yup. [LAUGH] Cuz it is a, still very much about, the whole, experience. With Apple iKit it does things that, the software is designed to work specifically with those pieces of hardware. So although I think the processor's like a 1.4 gigahertz quad core which is on paper is much slower than the 2.5 gig and the note but Apple software doesn't take nearly the same amount of power to run properly. Same goes for the camera. People [UNKNOWN] off something about 8 megapixel on the camera. That's ludicrous, you've got. The Sony phone's in 20 megapixels but megapixels don't mean better photos, and in fact in the, in the launch event we saw some example shots that Apple had apparently taken with the iPhones that just looked stunning. It's about how the software uses it. How the image processing does. The previous 5S only had a, an eight megapixel. Mm-hm. camera, but it was able to take these amazing shots completely on auto. Yeah. Because it's just tuned. So well to use that hardware perfectly. It's not just using the same android stuff on very different hardware. And that's really what's important with this stuff. Yeah, Apple is good at the camera stuff. What I thought was interesting if you watched the presentation, which was difficult, because the live stream was appalling. It didn't really have the signature Apple slickness. No, it was terrible, just completely broken for most. To do that and then for the first half hour I think, at sort of two language tracks. Yeah. It was very, very surreal. And then right at the end some Irish guys ran on stage and started playing music or something. [LAUGH] I was, I was [INAUDIBLE] there. I mean, you. What I thought was interesting was in the presentation Apple really shunted the iPhones out of the way quickly. Yeah. So normally you have to wait while Tim Kirk or whoever explains some facts and figures. Like we've opened a new Apple store in the top of a mountain, [LAUGH] and it's made out of graphite. And we've sold 10 billion apps, and some other sort of big landmarks. And then towards the end they get to the iPhone because that's kind of a big thing, but this started straight out of the gate, here's an iPhone, bam, here's another iPhone, bam, OK, that's good, here's the iPhone, done. So I wonder, it felt a little bit to me like Apple is changing focus. And we'll talk about why that is in a minute, but I wonder, particularly with the plus. Whether Apple really has a lot of faith in it. Okay. Well no, I think you, it wouldn't have built it if it didn't think that it would sell. But it doesn't feel like Apple's priority. It feels like it's plugging the gaps in the market maybe. Yeah. So it's or it's maybe on there, speaking of the watch, we aren't gonna see for a little while in the UK unfortunately, but let's talk about that for a little bit. What does it do that other's don't? And vice versa. Was there anything that stood out for you that you think is pretty cool about the watch? Yeah, there, there's some cool things. You can wave your hand over the watch to reject a call. Mm-hm. To me the coolest thing was the doodling aspect. Okay. A little touch screen. You can draw a, sort of a little doodle and that will, it will send it fizzy fireworks style of your drawing, which I just thought. Thought was nice as well totally pointless of course>>Mm-hm>> Not an impressive life changing feature but just sort of sweet that kind of like>>Mm>> may, maybe something will encourage a personal relationship with the gadget. The other thing that Apple is making a big deal of is the Digital Crow>> Digital Crown>> Digital Crown>> What is a Digital Crown?>> Digital Crown, Rich>> Yeah. Is basically the twiddily knob bit [LAUGH] focuses that every watch has. So it's you said crown is the, the word in like watchology. If you're a horologist you would have know what a crown was. But I had never Yeah. heard of a crown before, but if I, it's the little, twiddly bit that you wind your watch with Let alone a digital crown. Yes. This I think actually is. << It probably might turn out to be the biggest deal about the Apple watch, because, the thing that smart watches, I think, don't have yet is that interface. << Mm. << And this at least is an interesting way of doing it. So, it's still a touch screen, of course, you can swipe around, you can move and position things. But zooming in and out- << Mm. << is, is, handled by sort of spinning the digital crowd. << Yeah. << So do you think that's, do you think that's a good idea, having used lot's of, Android Wear watches. << Yea, Ide say so. The idea for me the whole watch of the moment is, it's almost, I kind of say like bit, of like a proof of concepts in a way. The hardware is fundamentally the same as what we've seen with Android ware. It's got roughly a same size screen. It's got, it's got this strap, and it's got a touch screen. But, we're not, it does, obviously it has a watch, it has a world timer, it can show you notifications, and it can show directions on a map. Like, that's kind of, stuff we've already seen. So, like now, what we need to see, is what all the developers are gonna do with the watch next, how are they gonna take it to the next step. In the same way as the iPhone was a fine phone, but it was really with the launch of the app store, and when all these developers got behind it, it really made it. This, this world-changing device. Sure. And I think that is when we're gonna, the art is gonna become more of an important thing. Mm-hm. People will get onboard with with the iWatch because it's Apple and because it has such a great relationship with developers in, and hopefully ways that hasn't quite yet happened with Android Wear. Yeah, and that's actually where I think the digital ground could come into its own because that's something that Android Wear, at least for the moment, doesn't have, and if that becomes. So the defacto way that Smart Watch apps work with the little twiddling on the face. Yeah, yeah. That's very quickly a thing that makes it harder to port your app to Android. Yeah. Hm. I don't think it's as good looking as some of the watches to be honest. I really don't. One thing, a fit, you'll see on the screen actually now is how the straps change is this thing really annoys me, is that We'd had watches for like 100 years or whatever it is. Sure. Watches have been around for a long time. [CROSSTALK] We have a standard, we have a standard for how watches work, and watch straps work. What you have to do is you can swap a watch strap really, really easily just by taking it off and, and putting a watch strap through the loops or just going to a jeweler can getting it changed. It's really, really easy to change your watch up. It's not easy. And apple [CROSSTALK] comes up with proprietary strap. Are you, are you surprised at all that Apple wants to keep something proprietary. So it can license and it can sell exclusive Apple watch [UNKNOWN] It's no surprise but it's typical Apple. Well it is. But it's just business. Good business. Sound a lot easier than going to a jeweler or whatever and getting them swap it. Yeah, but having a standard thing that can just let loop a nato strap through is much, much simpler thing. So, yeah, I, it, it kind of annoyed, it's such a typically- Yeah. Apple thing to do, to [CROSSTALK] reinvent the watch strap. [CROSSTALK] We had it for a hundred years and [CROSSTALK] yeah. Okay, they've got, like, all of the watch. Straps you could possibly want and they got like three of them. How how experimental are you looking to be with your watch strap. They got the classic sort of metal one that the plug is made of torture shell plating.>>Yeah>> They've got one that's kind of a plasticky sporty one.>> Uh>> They got a slim leather strap one.>> No no. I resent it. I object. Chainmail? There will be hundreds by the time it actually goes on sale, cuz now it's open, it's news. The [CROSSTALK] they'll release the details to all the usual case makers like Belkin and whoever makes hundreds of thousands of cases for the iPhones and iPads. [CROSSTALK] million pounds They will, but [UNKNOWN] designer ones. OK, so thumbs up. Yes or no? iPhone six. Thumbs up, Andy? Thumbs up on the iPhone six. OK, Luke. Thumbs up on the iPhone six. Thumbs down. That's a thumbs up from me. OK. iPhone six plus. Andy, thumbs up or thumbs down? A reluctant thumbs. Down. Oh, interesting. Luke, thumbs down or Oh sh, that's a thumbs sideways, for me Okay. yeah. It looks like a great tablet but, I don't like the price. Thumbs up for the price, thumbs, so it's thumbs up for the phone, thumbs down for the price. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I got it the other way around. Mm-hm. As far as the Apple watch, thumbs up, thumbs down. I am reserving thumbs for later it's too soon to tell is basically, it's far too soon to tell on a watch to come up with a firm verdict. Tha's a really sensible perspective to take it doesn't really lend itself to doing a podcast. It's not the one I'm taking. I'm giving the apple watch 2 thumbs up. 2 thumbs up? 2 thumbs up. I'm really impressed, it's it's, I was sort of. I was watching the thing, the, the conference, and, and, you know, you, you could, you could definitely say that this is all Apple magic casting it's weird, mystic hex on me, but I was, I just felt like, yeah, it's a, it's, I've never wanted a smart watch before. Right. I though, yeah, that's kind of cool. This is the first time, I think, that ever an Apple product has come out that's made me think, you know, the Android version of this I kind of want that more. Okay. Oo. Yeah. I would, I think I'd rather have, like, I Moto. Three [CROSSTALK] The Merchant 360 Yeah. Or the LGG watch R, which is the LG round on [INAUDIBLE] [CROSSTALK] I feel like you know. I feel like this, small watches are finally [INAUDIBLE] [CROSSTALK] This is, this is something that the industry can kind of keeping talking about. Absolutely, and that's. Good fun. All good fun. Those are our quick reactions. Check out our full proper in depth reviews over the next week or two of all the iPhones and the iWatch. And we'll find out your thoughts in a second but first it's time for the quiz. [MUSIC] So yes, back to the Quiz, currently the board is Jason is on 4, Andy is on 3, and Luke is on 3. So this is a chance wither one of you to draw ahead. [CROSSTALK] The worse thing about the quiz. It makes me so, it makes me so nervous, and I worry that affects my performance. Luke is disqualified and Andy wins. Hey. What's my rent for this price? so. In for Death. In for death. In for death. [LAUGH] So for this week's quiz. One of the things that happened this week, Apple announced a bunch of new stuff, but they also quietly killed off that old classic, the iPod. Aw. So this gonna be a quiz in memoriam of the, of the iPod. So Luke sounds like this. Steamy, and this sounds like this, screamy fingers on buzzes, fastest finger first while I find the quiz. All right, question number one, Apple wasn't the first company to be offered the iPod, name one of the companies that was offered the idea of a portable MP3 player by the inventor Tony Fadell. Name a company, pick a company. Who could it be? Aah! Andy? I'm gonna go with someone, 90s-ish, like JVC. I can see your thinking. That is not correct though. Damn. That's a good, a good, good idea. Luke. I'm going to say for purely ironic purposes, was it Sony? That is not the correct answer, no. It Real Networks, which pretty 90, at 90s and FedEx as well. Oh, it was close. So [CROSSTALK] pretty local companies. Can you imagine the mess they would have made? [LAUGH] Anyway, so it's still 0, 0 [INAUDIBLE] stuff. Nil, nil. Question 2. A number one hit in the UK in the year 2000, what was the first song ever played on an iPod? What could it be? Was it that Moby song? That was called, can I just get it if it's the Moby song? It was not Moby, I'm afraid. Oh. I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you a point for either the the song title or the name of the artist. K, [NOISE] It was not Kim, but I can see that just a sort of band that would turn up with a key, or something, yeah, I can see them then, [NOISE] the correct answer was groove jet if this ain't love by spiller, featuring Sophie Ellis Baxter, an old favorite. I met Sophie Ellis Baxter. Did you. Yeah, she was at the launch for Destiny. That video game. Cool, was she nice? I suppose she wasn't wearing a t-shirt saying I was the first person to build an iPod. Maybe. She'd wear that all the time. [INAUDIBLE] Alright, so it's still Mill Nillis the tough one. According to, question three, according to Ben Mouse, one of the iPod's pioneers. The iPod is slightly louder than other MP3 players, but why? Andy? Oh, I already buzzed in, but quick check, do you mean physically makes noise, or it can go louder. It can go louder, it can go louder in terms of volume. Oh, burst in for the wrong reasons. Yeah, go on, have a stab at it, have a crack. Cos they like it, they want loud music. They have, they have but. There was a specific reason. They have they have high quality amps. Oh, that's, that's I can see how you you fumbled to prononce that, it's good but unfortunately that's not the right answer. Luke, what do you think it is. Is it something like, And I don't know the answer to this, this is just a guess based on having another Apple, did they say that they found a way to do it safely that involves either the headphones. Or something like that, [INAUDIBLE] It is not I'm afraid, that's wrong, the correct answer is because Steve Jobs was apparently slightly deaf, and he asked for the iPod to be slightly, yeah, slightly louder. So that's a tough one, so it's nil nil. So it comes down to the tie-breaker. I hate the tie-breaker, because I've got to do the maths. Right. Apples co-founder sold his shares in Apple for $800. To the nearest billion. How much would they be worth today? Pick a number. okay, so to the nearest billion what was the, what was the figure? I don't know why I'm asking. [LAUGH] I can't work this out obviously, but tell me what was the figure again? 800 dollars. 800 dollars. It's one that you just gotta buzz in the first person [INAUDIBLE] there you go. I think that would be worth today. $45 billion. $45 billion. [CROSSTALK] interesting. I'm gonna go for $120 billion. Wow. That's a lot of billion dollars. That is a lot of billion dollars and I'm glad that you went such a big difference between the two of them because I don't have to do the math now, so that's good. The answer is $35 billion. Aw. [INAUDIBLE] as much as you think. Not as much you think. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] $35 billion is a hell of a lot to me. [LAUGH]. [LAUGH] [INAUDIBLE] He probably doesn't regret it. [LAUGH] Not for a second. Okay. Okay, cool. Okay, so Luke's the winner, congratulations, that means it's now Jason [INAUDIBLE] [MUSIC] And, this is bad, doubly bad news for Andy because Andy isn't here next week. Oh, no, [CROSSTALK] not one holiday, I'm going to Italy. So Jason has a chance to come back in and take, and take the lead. Which is so [CROSSTALK] That's gonna ruin your holiday, isn't it. You're gonna be sitting there worrying about the quiz, that's what you're gonna be doing. I'll be sitting there worrying, eating beautifully made foccaccio, drinking lovely wine. Maybe we can Skype you in, to do the quiz. [LAUGH]. Yeah Dave. Well, it's got to be exciting that you've lost the quiz again. [LAUGH] I think it's urgent. Nail biting stuff then, tune in next week to see whether, see Jason and Luke duke it out. Right, let's move on to feedback. [NOISE] [MUSIC] Okay so, it's an Apple special. [INAUDIBLE] I'm just gonna put that out there right now. Sure. Cuz apparently it's all anyone wants to talk about. [LAUGH] alright. So, we're gonna hear what you guys have to say. You've heard our verdicts, some verdicts but here's what you guys have been saying about the iPhone 6 to start with. I have one comment that says a new thing that bothers me is the ugly antenna lines. Always down for the antennas. Always down for the antennas. Nevertheless I'll probably be getting this phone. Oh, [UNKNOWN] up. Someone else writes, Apple has been king of the pile is now two generations away from competing. King of the pile. The only users who would choose an iPhone are those who value style over content. Which is okay. [CROSSTALK] And finally slightly more optimistic. One commenter writes, they look great, and Apple has finally bridged the gap in the major are where they were losing customers. Thumbs up Screen size. Sure on paper the specs don't nearly match some of the high end devices on the market, Thumbs down. But end user experience Apple thrives on, and the user experience on the new lineup will be better than ever. What about a watch? One commenter said, I was expecting something a little sleeker. Symmetrical, i.e. lefty or righty friendly, and futuristic, not something that looks like a shiny 1980s Casio. I'll wait for the next iteration. Having a tough time believing Johnny Ive was involved with this. Ouch. Ouch, ouch. Well good news for weirdo sinister cack-handed south paw lefties. Like me. like, like this weirdo sinister cack-handed lefty over here. If you haven't had it beaten out of you, and you still use your left hand, you can reverse the interface. For left use. so, the digital crown will be in a different position now. Yes, that's right whereas it would be so it's like on the higher end of this side of the watch, you'll be on the lower end. Hang on, you are a lefty, but you wear your watch on your left hand. Yeah, that's right. Cuz I'm an individual. [LAUGH] And also, like I don't, I don't require my, my main master hand to sort of. Do anything to the watch. I don't have to press the buttons much. Cuz all it does is tell the time. [LAUGH] Okay. Whereas I have to charge my, my Android-wear watch every night, so I actually managed to leave it on charge next to my bed. So, I'm watch-less. [LAUGH] Oh, no. All right. Maybe a tan line, if you look very closely in the shadow. [LAUGH]. More, [LAUGH] more watch opinions. Yes. Apple destroyed the competition. I see an Apple watch in my future. That's a double thumbs up. Another writes, the Apple watch looks cool, I want one. Triple thumbs up. And finally, it is not for me. Don't like the look and don't need the function on my wrist. Oh. Oh nobody, nobody needs the function. But it's, it's kind of handy. And this is what I'm saying about [CROSSTALK] Do we need poetry? Do we need that? Do we need a butterfly's wing? [LAUGH] But We'll find out at some point. There will be something that comes along that we find. But maybe we don't need it, but maybe we really don't want it. Okay, I guess. Cool, and Joe William Eckart asks, thinking of switching from iPhone to Android after the latest Android announcement today, obviously not impressed. I don't care about brands, I just want the best. So please, no slacking off each other. I've looked at the HTC 1 M8. Is that the best Android phone at the moment, Andy? It's one the best. [LAUGH] He's freaking out. It's one of the best. [LAUGH] The problem is that they're, they're all, all the flagships, they're all the best in different ways, depends on what you need. The One M8 is the best if you really want, probably the best looking android phone, cause its got that gorgeous one piece metal design- It is, right now, yeah- Really good looking, feels amazing to hold and. Yeah. Good find. Very good find. And finally Thomas Henson ponders, do you think Apple is falling farther and farther behind in the smart phone market. We talk about this a lot obviously. So just briefly. I think it kinda depends what you look at. So if you are comparing phones specs and specs and specs, then yes. It seems so. Yes, but from Apple's point of view, it is the only company that is consistently. Still making a fortune Yeah. [LAUGH] selling, selling smartphones. Like, Sam, Samsung made a ton of money but it's now starting to see that Hm. market share slightly eroded it's kind of, profits have like eaten away a little bit by, by much smaller, Hm. companies like Wico and Micromax and, and stuff like that. So, so, Apple sort of. you, you might not like the phones and I completely understand that. But, from an industry point of view you kind of have to sort, have a begrudging respect for the way that they have managed to consistently make a lot of money with these. It feels like, you know, if this smartwatch thing takes over, then that's kind of the end of the smartphone race and Mm. That probably you could only call Apple a winner. Yeah, I see. Well we're all winners. We're all winners. We're all winners in this game. We're all winners, especially me because I won the quiz, and especially not Andy. Oh, no. I think we're all winners because we've all got a free U2 album to look forward to when we finish with this podcast. Yes. So now who, now who's a loser? Woo. I'm a massive loser. All right, well, thanks very much, everybody. Please keep the feedback coming. So [INAUDIBLE] Yes thank you for the thank you. Keep the feedback coming by e-mailing us at email@example.com Yeah, absolutely fantastic. That's it for this week. Thank you Ali. Thank you, Rick. Thank you, Lick. [INAUDIBLE] See you next week. Not you. Thanks also, also to our producer Mark, who you will never see. We're off to [INAUDIBLE]. See you next week. [MUSIC]