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Jeff's GDC experience, and a SXSW recap with Nerdist's Dan Casey (Tomorrow Daily 333)A deep dive into VR social networks, omnifocal eyeglasses and pollution-monitoring pigeons; plus, we welcome Nerdist's Dan Casey back to the show to discuss SXSW, and Jeff regales us with VR adventures at GDC.
On today's show, we deep dive into virtual reality social networks, eyeglasses that can change focus no matter where you look, and pigeons testing the air quality. Also, this week was conventions galore! Dan Casey stops by to tell us about SXSW, and yours truly, the guy with the thumbs. Gonna hip you to all the GDC goodness. But I have thumbs too. Dang it! Tomorrow Daily! [MUSIC] Greetings citizens of the internet. Welcome to Tomorrow Daily, the best detox show in the known universe. I'm Ashley Esqueda. And I'm Jeff Cannata. You're back! Yeah, thanks for holding down the floor while I was up in Bay Area. After every episode's recording, I say, I was just, I sat here in the dark and went all by myself [LAUGH] Don't wanna be. That's why my ears were burning so many times up in San Francisco. I just [UNKNOWN] all my tears to clean the desk. It was very nice [INAUDIBLE]. Took cloth to it. Well, they were some great episodes, and some juicy stories. Let's talk about them. Let's do it. This is headlines. [MUSIC] Let's discuss social networks in virtual reality because I find this concept so fascinating, and I was so excited that we were gonna get to talk about this later in the week. Yeah. vTime has been around actually for a few months now on a couple different VR headsets. But now, officially they are available on Google Cardboard. So they really want to get out there And get people virtually on a social network as a full human avatar. Step one toward the metaverse, which is where we're all headed. I mentioned Snow Crash. I'm like, you guys gotta watch out for Snow Crash. Where's Hiro and Y.T.? We gotta get them on board. But here's what I don't understand. Why do we have to look like people? It's virtual reality, I can be anything. Well, that was the best part about the metaverse in Snowcrash was that you could make yourself as crazy as you wanted to. Yeah. You could have lights in your hair that stretched out for infinity and you could really just be anything. You could be a dragon if you wanted to, it wouldn't matter. That freaked me out. I was- Sitting on the edge of the mountain hanging out? Nope. That's a big no for me. Yeah, I think, maybe the knee jerk reaction to this, something like this, it's a bit silly sitting on a space station. But when you're in the virtual environment It does have a level of immersion and feeling like you're there that we've never had before. So stuff like Second Life isn't really a good comparison I don't think because we're at a new place where you really do feel like the people are all around you and they're in your space. And I think that is a big, big difference. But I do think. They're thinking small if it's just human beings in weird places. It's gotta be, you gotta be able to be anything, any size and maybe we wanna be tiny people inside of a tiny house for a little while or a giant person talking to a tiny person or eagles talking to a sea lion. You're so weird. What if you, I mean that would be really nice if I was An eagle soaring over the skies, and I was talking to my other eagle friend, like if you were an eagle, too, and I was- Let's be eagles. Let's be eagles today. If you just choose whatever you wanna be that day. Like I find that really fun, and I also see the value in Being able to be in the same room as a friend that you haven't seen in a long time. Yeah. Who lives too far away to see normally. I mean, like, one of my very best friends lives in North Carolina, I never get to see her. I maybe see her for, you know, 30 seconds as we run past each other at E3, and go, hey, I love you, okay, give me hugs, okay bye, see you. And I would love to able to have team meetings like that, or just being able to hang out and have a cup of coffee. Yeah. Obviously in front of the Eifel Tower which is where you wanna have a cup of coffee with your friend, and just chit chat and catch up that way suppose just over the phone. And some of the crazier stuff that what happen in the GDC like in the Nooks and crannies is the progression of scanning technology. And if you marry something like virtual social space with something like Skype but that sort of scans you in 3D, and now I actually. So we see your face or you can actually hang out with a friend that looks like your friend? Right. I think that's pretty cool. Well think about even earlier this week, it's not one of our deep dive topics but the photogrammetry technique that reality [UNKNOWN] using. This is exactly the type of thing I mean at some point in the future I'm gonna be able to put on a VR headset. I will put on a headset and I'm gonna be able to Accept a call or an invitation to go to my friend Susan's house. Yeah. And because of scanning and things like photogrammetry and rendering, I'm going to be literally sitting in her living room as if I was really there, and it will look real. Yeah. Yeah. Which is amazing. And photogrammetry doesn't have to just be for rocks. It can be for faces, it can be for houses, it can be for whatever. And, you know, you're, the next time you want to rent an apartment, Maybe you'll go, you wanna rent an apartment in North Carolina and you're sitting in Chicago. And you can just be inside that apartment and walk around inside it and go yeah, that looks like a good place to put the bed, or whatever. And maybe you can scan your furniture and say here's how I want it to look. Will all my stuff fit? How will it fit? What will it look like? The possibilities. When you look at something like VTime, like this is a thing that's so exciting, the possibilities seems so limitless. They seem so infinite. And it is so exciting. And it's clear that something like VTime is a baby step toward that direction. Right. Sure. But it still easy to see where it's all headed. Yeah. It really, you're gonna hear me in this episode talk a lot about games in virtual reality, which is I think very exciting. But it's really just The first step. It's one slice of the pie, one slice of the pie. It's just a gateway drug to get to how virtual reality is really gonna change everything. Yeah, and we had some really good user feedback on this. Mike wrote and said, I've been speaking with people throughout the globe no vTime since January. It's definitely the best virtual social experience. Wow, cool to have a first person experience. You can see his avatar. Producer Logan, bring up his tweet again. You can see his avatar is literally Him in real life and him in vTime. Wow, it does look similar. So he's got a little avatar up. And Daniel wrote in and said virtual reality chat rooms/networks? This reminds me of the TV show Caprica. Secret chat rooms hidden throughout the virtual world. Yeah, and who's a [UNKNOWN] We gotta get our speak easy, our virtual reality speak easy. She's a cylon. I'm 100% a cylon. That's actually, I'm pretty sure on my Wikipedia page. I'm a robot. I'm cousin of Six. We can all agree here. [LAUGH] Cousin of Six. Cousin of Six. Sam wrote in and said, vTime is great unless you spend endless hours doing an impossible maze. By the way I believe this could be used by therapists to connect with their patients. They can play games together and hang out together in a world that pretty much anything can happen. And who knows. Yeah. No, we've already heard about ways to enhance empathy by inhabiting the experience of some other kind of person. Sure. There's a whole range- The feeding phobias, I mean virtual reality is gonna be used for so many different things. It's unbelievable. Let's really briefly touch on the [LAUGH] eyeglasses from Deep Optics. They're working- This is cool. It's really cool. Okay, I have to clarify because a lot of people were like Don't eyes focused on with my prescription glasses on. Don't eyes focused on things that are, you know, far away automatically and up close automatically. If you have a single lens prescription. This might not be the thing for you, but, I know a lot of people as they got older Start doing this. Bifocals. They start doing bifocals and they start doing this. When they need to read something, and they have their, my glasses are for distance. So they wanna read something, they go like this. Like, let's say they have a paper. They go. And they do this. Okay? It's I've seen a lot of people do that. That was good. That was a three-act play. That was a real three-act, yeah. [UNKNOWN] my frustration and my sadness so I had a lot of emotion happening. [LAUGH] Okay, okay. I was a very good mime. I saw that at mime college. So this is intended for people like that So what it does is sensors inside the nose bridge actually watch your pupils as they move. And whatever you are focusing on, it calculates the distance between you and that object. And there's a liquid crystal layer, you can see right here. And it is able to be, you can apply a current to it. And what that does is it changes the prescription of your lens in realtime. [CROSSTALK] Doesn't that seem impossible? It seems like at- The way the eye jumps around and you're looking down, you're looking up, you're looking down, you're looking up. To be able to react with that kind of. Alacrity, and make it actually a useful object. It seems crazy to me that that's possible. Yeah, it's not, here's a, keep in mind that's a render, so, the actual device is, they said it's bigger, there's a lot of extra- It's like the giant clown glasses that you can get at amusement parks? Yeah, yeah, it looks like a, you know, a headset Doc Brown's wearing in the '50s when Marty shows up in Back to the Future. But the good news is, you don't have to go like this. [LAUGH] Yeah, the good news is you never have to do this, right. You never have to take the head [UNKNOWN]. You look like a loon. But they're working on making the technology smaller first, and then they said in a couple years they feel like the technology'd be small enough, if they get enough funding they'll be able to sort of Put them in their actual frame or things that are built in the same way. Now, I am heard that we are, a sort of on the cost actually replacing our lenses in our eyes. Right? Right there, so, let me ask you this question. Would you rather have adaptive perfect glasses or just new eyes that work better I think the idea of LASIK still freaks me out a little bit, like lasers in your eyes. Cuz they tell you when you're a kid no lasers in your eyes. Get those lasers out of your eyes. Its, like whenever kids interact with a lasers for the first time, the first thing they say, don't shine that in your eye, like don't do it. And so it's. Sort of, like beaten into you like you're indoctrinated and to never point a laser into your eye. I think you played with lasers more then I did. Listen Joe [LAUGH], I had a really weird childhood. [LAUGH] So, for me, I still feel some manner of trepidation in shining a laser in my eye to fix them? That seems very counter intuitive to me. And also I love my glasses. They're part of me. I love having a pair of glasses on. And also I'm lazy. So I think the net step is not going to be a lens that you can literally replace your lens with. It's gonna be like a contact lens. And I hate wearing contacts. I've heard that we are on the cusp of doing literally This thing that just like taco that replaces your actual lens and it's permanent. It unfolds in your eye and it gives you perfect vision forever. That's seems like the beginning of a horror movie. It's eye tacos and terror- Eye tacos. Eye Taco Terror is the name of my next Movie. It comes out at South by Southwest 2017. [UNKNOWN] still playing with lasers. [LAUGH] To lasers. All right, let's lastly discuss Pigeon Air Patrol because- Pigeon Air Patrol. You guys, sometimes things just need to exist because they're adorable and awesome and this is one of those situations. Pigeon. Patrolling the air. There's only ten. There's ten former racing, well they're trained racing pigeons. Just real quick. Did this video start with the phrase we are pigeon fanatics? Sure did, sure did. Okay, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't seeing that wrong. And they found a kindred spirit. So this guy owns these. They're domesticated racing pigeons. So this company did a collaboration, Plume Labs is the name of this company. They decided they wanted to kinda of raise awareness of pollution in different neighborhoods in London. and so what they did was, they gave these pigeons really cute, really tiny backpacks that look like they're wearing apple watches on their backs. It's so adorable. And for three days which I think today is the last day or it might be tomorrow they have been flying around London testing the air quality and the then If you was in London let's say you're in Hammersmith, you can tweet at the Pigeon Twitter account. I know a little backpack that vibrates right out of the sky. That's not gonna work [CROSSTALK] We're getting a tweet, aah! No, no. No, it doesn't happen like that. I know you've gotten that wrong. You can tweet at the Pigeon and say hey, I live in Hammersmith, with the air claws he liked today. I wanna ride my bike and then the Twitter account tweets back at you and it's like this Pigeon says it's Sparky says, bad air quality today. Bad air quality, we're killing these pigeons. You guys had some great tweets about this. So Pin wrote in and actually answered the question of the next person. So Pin wrote in and said, fun novelty. Not really an effective solution to gauge air quality. The pigeons, smart birds, will avoid really bad areas. That's generally, I would imagine, true. Pin sounds like a pigeon expert. Pin is an expert at everything. Pin has written in since the beginning, and he is I like Pin. We love Pin on this show. Dustin, also a long-time commenter, wrote in and said If a similar idea could be adapted for overhead to be early warning system for a chemical attack. And I thought that that was an interesting concept but I do think that Pin is on the right track here in that. I think living creatures kinda sense that stuff actually better than us. A lot of the time, and so they would actually be the first ones. They would just leave us in the dust. Yeah, they'd get out of Dodge, and it's like why are all the pigeons leaving? I don't know. Maybe it's that green cloud of death that's heading our way. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like the mist in Hunger Games 2. Yeah. The mist is acid It's like all of the other birds and stuff have already left that slice of the pie. Yeah, they're just like thanks for the backpack. Like, yeah bye, thanks for the Apple watch goodbye. [LAUGH] So that is our, those are our headlines, we are going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with Nerdist.com's Dan Casey to tell us all about South by Southwest, and also what's been happening over in the Dan cave. So still around and don't click away, it's Tomorrow Daily. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show everybody. Our guest today, you may have seen on a little thing called the Internet. Yeah. He hosts a show called the Dan Cave. He's a Senior Editor at Nerdist.com And friend of the show, Dan Cayce. Hi, everyone. Welcome back, friend. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be back. Yeah, we haven't seen you since CES. Yeah, I know. I was sad when there wasn't an adorable puppy that I could play with in the green room this time. I apologize for that. I'm just saying. It's in your rider. I was gonna say, it is in your rider. [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN] Eminem Just like, poof, they would not. Well happy Saint Patrick's Day. Yeah. Thank you. Green lantern. Yes, yes gotta support the core. Yeah. Yeah. Also Irish, we didn't, I you didn't know that little known secret. Yes. The entire core, Irish. Yeah that's, they're just fighting an intergalactic potato famine, That's very true, very true. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] You have just returned from South by Southwest. I have indeed. I ate my bodyweight in brisket and lived to tell the tale. Hey, that's the way we do South by Southwest. I was gonna ask. The important question today would be exactly Exactly how many pounds of barbecue did you eat? Men. I'm not much of a math guy but I would say the amount was medically inadvisable. [LAUGH] I ate quite a bit of barbecue that was down there because who knows when I'm gonna be back. That's true. The first time I went to South by Southwest, I decided I was gonna have ribs for every meal. [LAUGH] Which is why I've never been back to South by Southwest [LAUGH] Cuz I almost died [UNKNOWN] [LAUGH] And it was delicious on the way up. Yeah, but all that protein- What a way to go. All builds muscle. What a delicious way to go. But you were not there just to see and eat- No. [UNKNOWN] Delicious foods. You saw and did other things. I did a bunch of stuff. So Nerdist, Geek and Sundry, and Amy Pohler's Smart Girls at the Party, we took over this bar on Rainey Street called Banger's Sausage House and Beer Garden. Highly recommend it, it's a great place. We turned it into sort of a pop up saloons. Cool. And so all weekend long we had panels, we had performances, all sorts of fun stuff, and then that was a big place where I did a lot of that aforementioned barbecue eating. Nice. Excellent, and on a scale of one to ten, how nice was your floozy costume? Because it was a saloon. Man, I'd give it like a strong seven. I don't want to oversell myself, but It was hook nanny appropriate [LAUGH] Nanny appropriate. all right that was happening here that's Texas style [LAUGH] Exactly Nanny appropriate attire wore in any bar fight Who I hope not, unless [LAUGH] Something bad Down after the talent left the stage. Once Chobot got real angry about something. Yeah, Chobot beat up Jake Gyllenhaal, it was bad. [LAUGH] She gets upset about things. Yeah, she's like cellar door, that's the most beautiful phrase? No! No. I will fight you. So did you get to see any of the films that were showing? I did. I did get to see a couple of cool films and some cool TV series that are making their premiere. Awesome. TV was really big this year at South By. Exactly, TV was huge this year at South By and I got to see And interviewed the cast of two of the ones I'm most excited for, which is Preacher coming to AMC. I'm scared, I'm scared. It's good. Is it, are you sure? It is not 100% the comic. Now you're scaring me again. But the Walking Dead is not 100% the comic. I don't like that show. But it [LAUGH] It's so much better than Walking Dead, and I love the Walking Dead. The Walking Dead took six years to get good, but Preacher, right off the bat instilled me with confidence. It's funny, it's gross, it's violent, it's dark. All right. And I think that anyone who's worried, their fears will be assuaged one that actually debuts on May 22. I'm very excited to see it. That comic is beloved to me. Okay. And it is one of those ones where I was like, please, don't mess it up. So, never touch it. So, you're making me feel good. You can tell that Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg really cared about the source material. And some of the action in there, I feel like a lot of comic book TV shows, it's kind of like stutter stop action. This, some of the scenes in that, super fluid, very funny, I can't wait to see more. So you saw the first episode? I saw the pilot so I could interview the cast about it. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, and you said May 22nd is when it debuts? Yes. Unfortunately, there is no mullet For Jesse Custer, some things had to be modernized a little bit. Awesome. Well, if you liked Preacher, what was the other show? Cuz you said there were two. Outcast. Speaking of the Walking Dead, Robert Kirkman, another comic that he has at Skybound and Image Comics called Outcast. Him and Paul Azaceta Really fantastic story about this guy, Kyle Barnes, who is plagued by demonic possession his whole life. And he sort of starts experiencing this on a larger scale in his hometown so he has to team up with this troubled Reverend and to get Together they have to put a stop to it before it's too late. Two troubled reverend shows? Yes, exactly. That's the hot new- That's the new Vampires. That's the new sparkly Vampires troubled reverends. It's more about the main guy Kyle, played by Patrick Fugit from Almost Famous. Yeah. And it's directed by Adam Wingard, who did Your Next and the Guest, so its got a strong horror root to it. Awesome. And it's really creepy, really gross, an d one of my favorite comics right now, so I think people are really gonna dig it. It's on Cinemax, it debuts June 3rd, so you have plenty of time to add that to your cable package. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] The game of the big shows. Get your cord cutter package [CROSSTALK] Did you see The Nick that they did? [CROSSTALK] They are stepping up they're game big time. That's another show that grosses me out. They had Weeds. They've had really good shows. It's just I think a lot. Wasn't that Showtime? Showtime I'm sorry, but Cinemax with The Nick and stuff. I think that they are kind of a dark horse in the sense of, we don't really We don't really hear about all the great shows that are happening there, but there are really good shows that go on over there. Absolutely. Yeah, it's like HBO's weird cousin. Yeah it's like that weird cousin that shows up at the family reunion and like by the end of the night you guys are best friends again. But at the beginning you're like, I don't know if I like that guy. Yeah. What are they doing, is it like a weird Amish thing? Please stop putting Goldfish in your peanut butter sandwich. It's creeping me out. When I was younger they used to still be the weird cousin, but they were the weird cousin that made everybody unconformable because they showed too much. And I'm glad they kind of moved beyond the skinemax label. This is a family barbecue. Yes, who's cousin is that? This is a hootenanny. Yeah, not a hooternanny. When we said sloozy we didn't mean floozy. [LAUGH] All right. Boy. Okay so TV, those two are your favorites. Movies always have been a huge part of South by since they have this film festival I've heard a lot of good things about a lot of movies coming out of South By, like Midnight Special, what did you see that was your favorite, and also like what were the other movies you saw that just thought were so great and that people should definitely check out when they go wired release? I think one of the best things to come out of the festival was a movie called Don't Think Twice And it's Mike Birbiglia, Keegan-Michael Key, a bunch of super talented people. It's about an improv comedy troupe in New York City. And one of them lands a gig on a Weekend Update style thing on their version of SNL. And it's about how that one person's success Sort of tears that group apart because Wow. it's like what happens when someone else achieves your dream. Right. Right. Yeah. And it's really good. Mike Birbiglia, you know what, ever since he started making more like narrative driven features like Sleepwalk With Me Really been crushing it, and that one, I think, is really gonna surprise a lot of people. Wow. Is that hitting a little too close to home for us? Well, I mean, it's [CROSSTALK] Probably. The movie that we're writing about Chris Hardwick. [LAUGH] We oughta just take it off the table now, I guess. Yeah. [LAUGH] I know. God. Well, not to get super weird on everybody, but Chris Hardwick was complaining about eleven-ish, I don't know if you've seen this. Yeah, what is this? What is that? Amazing. Yeah, for people who don't know, it's basically like over in England I think, for ITV They're making essentially just a rip off of At Midnight called At Eleven-ish. Yeah, yeah. [LAUGH] They just took the At Midnight font and made it bolder. Bolder. Slightly earlier show? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like 11:59 or so. [LAUGH] 11:58 and 30 seconds. Yeah. [UNKNOWN] So funny. I was gonna say, it was a bold move. Literally. Maybe because they made it in International waters they can get away with it, I guess so, maybe some sea captain. Yeah, actual pirates. Actual seafaring international water pirates. I like it. Okay. So, that was one of your favorite movies. What else was good there? Cuz Interactive was there too. Did you get to check out any Interactive stuff? I did not really get to check out a lot of Interactive stuff. One of the coolest things I saw that was there for Interactive was Star Wars and Disney. They built a life size Tie Fighter. What? Like down the street from us. We were just walking down the street going- Okay, could you get inside it? Food trucks. Unfortunately no, not without your pilot's license. We'll I gotta get that. I gotta get on that. Exactly. So, only John Boyega is allowed. Pretty Much. On Earth. Yeah. He wasn't a pilot. He just- Yeah, yeah. He just stole it! [CROSSTALK] He was a stormtrooper. Poe Dameron may be like honorary pilot? [UNKNOWN] Yeah. If [UNKNOWN], they swap sides in the new movie. Yeah. Then maybe [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] He might get one for sure. Yeah. They have one of those. The helmets with the big things here. They kinda regular Stormtrooper helmet. They have the black helmet with the- Yeah, it was like deluxe- Tube. [CROSSTALK] air mask in there except they get to have all of- Yeah. It's just like in Top Gun. Exactly. Come on, you gotta get rid of that thing, I can't breathe. No, you gotta have that exciting and cinematic. Then I wanna see that Shirtless Storm Trooper Volleyball Sand. [LAUGH] High Five. A hundred and fifty percent. How come nobody's made that web video yet? I think we need to write that parody right after we're done with this interview. Exactly. ITV, hands off. [LAUGH] Yeah, don't touch it. How dare you. Don't you. Amazing. With the terrible pop gun knockoff, they'll knockoff to that. Yeah. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, Airworlf? I don't know. Yeah, sure. [LAUGH] Above weapon. Yeah. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Sky pistol. Sky pistols, I like it. Okay so we have covered South by Southwest. I feel like we have a good idea of some of the best things out of the show. I'm very excited about those tv show, that's for sure. I am too. After hearing, I was worried about Preacher as well and after hearing from a couple people who saw that pilot. They were just like, it's good, you can trust Seth, you can trust. You can trust them. Evan and Seth have it locked down. They get it. They understand it. They love it. If it made it's a labor of love. You can trust them. You never know that Dominic Cooper and Ruth Negga, who play Jesse Custer and Tulip respectively Are British. You would never know, yeah. All right, I'm into it. Joseph Gilgun, you know he's Irish because he's supposed to be Irish. Supposed to be, yeah. Supposed to be really Irish. He's not faking it. They got a real Irishman. I just want to see if they're really gonna do Arseface. At some point. They do. Really? Without spoiling anything, you'll be happy. He already is. It's all happening. It's all happening. Yeah. Your life is gonna change majorly. So over at Nerdist, what are you guys doing? What are you doing on Dan Cave right now? What's the thing? Well, I had fun with it for For South by Southwest, it's a weird city full of weird movies and so- You oughta see Boston Weird. Exactly, yeah, that is their mandate. So I celebrated that with some of the most WTF-worthy movies ever made. And that was a lot of fun to research that episode, cuz you just I try to skirt between, like, awesomely bad movies- Yeah. Horrible. And like, just deeply strange movies? Yeah. So you have, like, Samurai Cop, which is just full of, like, terrible wigs. Yeah. Like, bad acting. Like, bizarre choices. And then you have, like, Holy Motors, which is like, Very well shot, very thoughtful, but also incredibly off-putting and weird. Weird. Yeah, yeah. So if anybody had to pick one summer blockbuster to see this year, what would you [UNKNOWN] Having seen none of them. Having seen none of them. But you have a good, I think you have a good sense of what's gonna be good and what's not gonna be so good. Yeah. And this is a really Intense year for blockbuster films. Just a little. And it's expensive to go to the movies. And before you answer, if you don't say Civil War, you're kicked off the show. I'm- Say whatever you want, but just know that. Look. I apologize to all those who've worn the logo on my shirt before, but I have to agree with Jeff, Civil War, Captain America Civil War. Okay. I was lucky enough to visit the set last year in Atlanta, Georgia at Pinewood, and everything I saw there has filled me with so much confidence, and everything I've seen since, all the footage, all the trailers, Pete Spider-Man, the brand new costume. Peter is in the movie. Yeah, with his little scrawny teenage voice, like hey, everyone, ha, ha. [LAUGH] I have such an excitement. They did the thing that I've been trying to beg them to do in a Spider-Man movie up till now and that is animate the eyes. Yeah, and I like different functions Functional. I like they're functional, they look like they're shutters, like camera shutters that open and let in more light, and close, and also give them an expression, which is nice. Exactly, especially after Deadpool. It doesn't have to make logical sense, it's just one of those weird little comic book trappings that adds a lot. Exactly, and then you're not contriving to rip his mask off every two minutes. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] Totally. So I think we're gonna wrap it up. Are we gonna wrap it up? Dude, Dan,thank you so much for coming by. You're the best. Thank you for having me, always a pleasure. I think we might have to just lock you in a closet and keep you here. Well, it's just like where I live at home. I am a Harry Potter LARPer, so- [LAUGH] Like to keep it authentic. It's been under the stairs. Okay. I like it, perfect. No, by all means. I was gonna say, where can people keep up with your goings on? Well, you can find everything I write on Nerdist.com, you can find me on the Internet at Ostioferocious, like the crippling bone disease but meaner. Sorry, someone is squatting on [UNKNOWN], I would have that otherwise. [CROSSTALK] function.>>Yeah their Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat. Unfortunately I am clams, clams, clams. because I did not think it was a viable platform. Here I am [LAUGH] Awesome Now it is Yeah you can also find my books on amazon.com just search for my name Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming in. And like, I said it's always a delight. It is, indeed. And we love talking to you about movies and pop culture and stuff. So, that is Mr. Dan Casey, everybody. Make sure you check his stuff out on the Internet, if you're not already, which, let's all be real here, you probably are. And there's more Tomorrow Daily coming right up. So, stick around. Don't touch that dial. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show, everybody. Love that Dan KP. I do too. He's a great guy. He's a delight. Yeah. He's a real good manny. [LAUGH} Guys, I got to go to GDC. You know, I'm a little jealous. It was fun. I'm a little jealous, but I'd rather one of us be able to go than none of us. I agree, and If you've heard me talk on the show ever, at least once, you've heard me say that I'm excited for VR, I'm ready for VR. So this year's GDC was kind of my Disneyland. E -VRangelical? I am a VRangelical. I like it. Sounds terrible. I I am so sold on this. I have preordered my headsets. I am ready to rock. Okay. Wait, I'm sorry. Headsets? I've preordered both of the headsets. Vive and Occulus. I know. It's bad. Don't tell my wife. Boy. It's a sickness. I'm ready though. And this year, GDC also had VRDC, sort of the first few days were really VR centric. The big news coming out of the show, of course, is Sony's- PlayStation VR! Right. October. 400 bucks. Yeah, 400 bucks. So, it comes in at a price point below both Vive and Oculus, which I think everybody's excited for. Interestingly enough, I thought it was really interesting that This is the only VR headset that is actually more expensive than the device that it requires to run it. That's true. You're right, yeah. I thought that that was sort of an interesting thing. Because the other two of course require very high-end PCs- Sure. That you probably couldn't get for less than their price. Mm-hm. I went to the Sony event. I tried, man over a dozen of the games that are gonna launch with it. [CROSSTALK] And, 20, Right? 20 game is a lot. [CROSSTALK] And, 20 games there. And, I have to say this. having tried all the headsets, and now trying all them back to back. By far, Sony's headset is the most comfortable. Which I think is a an important factor here. [CROSSTALK] 100% for long play. [CROSSTALK] You're wearing something on your face. And, they have really managed to make the headband, it's basically a headband instead of sort of the netting that the other two use. Okay. It's a headband that you kind of pull back very easily, Yeah. and then put over your head, and then the front, the actual mask of it, the lens that you're gonna be looking through, A slide independently, too. There's a button underneath that you hit with your thumb. Hm. So you put it on as a headband and then you slide it back to your face. Works great. It's very light, it's very comfortable. You barely feel it. It's great, and I think that's a huge Huge, huge point for people that are probably gonna be playing this more in their living rooms. On their couch. Yeah, exactly. That's a good point. Right. And probably sharing it and swapping it and taking it off and putting it on a lot. That was one thing I liked about PS VR is because you're playing in your living room, I think it's So important to be able to show people watching what you're doing in game. Yes. And so it both streams to your headset and to your television at the same time and I think that is so, so, so important and so I'm really glad Sony decided to go that route. Yeah. And, a lot of experiences they're show too, allow other people to play with you on the television while you're in the virtual space. [CROSSTALK] Interesting. [CROSSTALK] Asymmetrical co op. Did you happen to see Nomad Sky in virtual reality? No. I was hoping that that would be there. But, there is still time because the October, it was after E3 [CROSSTALK] That's true [CROSSTALK] Three announcement. I'm still crossing my fingers. Sony, please announce Newman Sky as a virtual reality title. I did play a bunch of games that I think are really cool. The one that I think stood out the most for me is a game called Thumper, which is this insane, look at this. It's an insane- Whoa! So, the music rhythm game, where you're going to space and a bright next speed. Similar to amplitude. Yes, very similar to amplitude but imagine this all around you. So, all the lasers, and lights Did you get motion sickness? Not once How is that possible? I feel like that's too fast for my brain to process. I feel like I'd get sick. Having the earphones on, and being inside that and having that stuff envelope you and be all around you, is extraordinary. But being in Tron- Yeah very much so. It's really neat. That's a wrap. Well I did something else and I'll jump to another thing that I did that was very much like Tron. We don't have any footage of it because it's not an actual game yet. But when I was at the CCP booth, who is doing a launch title for Oculus called Eve: Valkyrie, you probably heard about it, which is awesome by the way. So amazing. That's the game that sold me On virtual reality, being able to put that headset on, and I was playing and dogfighting in space, and I went to turn to the guy next to me, I tell this story all the time, i went to turn to the guy who was sitting next to me and make a joke about having shot down these dogfighters, and there was not a person there, but a giant Ship. It was a huge ship. Yeah, cuz you're excited. And I was like, I'm space, I forgot. This was virtual reality. I wasn't just looking at a screen. And that was the moment where virtual reality, just the light bulb came on for me. Honestly, I think if anyone is doubtful about the power of VR play EVE:Valkyrie for two minutes and you get it. You are inside Battlestar Galactica, basically. Yeah, it's so rad. And they do something really smart too. Because the Oculus now has depth movement, so you can move your head forward and back, if you look down at your body in the virtual space, you see a body and you move forward, and everything moves in the correct way, so it really sells that idea. Interesting. I like it. But that's not why I brought it up. The CCP also was showing a game That they're calling the arena, but it's not actual game yet, it's just this experiment that they've been working on >Okay. It's with the vibe, it's full body, and it's Tron. It's the Tron light disk game, you have these gauntlets on your arms that have shields on them, and if you hold the button down, you get this energy ball, and so you're standing and you're playing multiplayer with another person across the virtual space They're throwing this energy ball at you, you're deflecting it with your arms, throwing yours at them, it bounces all around the space, you have to physically dodge it, hit it. It's the dream I had when I first saw Tron of actually being inside the disc fight. Well, now I'm really jealous that you got to go and I didn't. Ashley, you would have gone bananas. I probably would've cried. Yeah, i'm really hoping this turn into an actual game because. I get to emotional when I see exciting things in games. [LAUGH] Like that [UNKNOWN] from the GDC awards I was like. I got choked up last night, I was like I don't think I could've seen this in the theater with everybody. Everybody's too much. Yeah. Too much. That was really beautiful thing. Really great. Yeah. All right, what else did you see? Man, so many other VR things, it's like too many to list by I'll hit a couple other big highlights for me. There's a game called Thunderbird which I thought was really cool. This is basically Myst or Riven but done in VR as if you're there. You're actually in the space physically manipulating things. Again, it's with the Vive so it has the touch controller. So like here, it maps both your hands so you're actually physically moving those beams of light around. And, Solving knows puzzle Solving puzzles, right? The coolest thing about this game, the designer is doing it with his Son, it is a Father Son team. Nice. And he actually is one of the original designer of Raven. So he has the pedigree of actually working on those old games. [UNKNOWN] And he is bringing them into virtual reality is an extraordinary experience being, even doing things like. You saw in there. Pointing a beam of light, I've done that in a million Zelda games or puzzle games. But to do it with your own hands. Do it with your hands, and be there and look behind you and there's where the beam of light starts and it goes past you and it goes, it's incredible, incredible. Okay, so last thing, let's talk about the lab. Okay, that might be the most awesome experience I had. Finally, a Portal title sort of. Well, it's kind of. It's a bunch of minigames sort of themed around Portal and Aperture Science. Aperture Science game. Yeah, but they're awesome, Ashley. You would've gone so crazy for this stuff. So it's a bunch of different minigames. They're all sort of linked through this central hub of being in a lab, and you wander around and you do the different games that you want. One of them is inside the Aperture Science, so imagine you're in Portal. You know those giant Rooms where they've got stuff stacked in boxes and crazy tech in this corner and it's like, hey this weird science company that's doing all this crazy stuff and they've got this big warehouse of gadgets. Like a super futuristic Acme factory. Exactly. Yes. So you're standing there on this ledge overlooking that giant factory. And you've got this cool, robotic slingshot that rolls these little spherical robots into it that are all talking. And they've got little, funny little voices, and there's different kinds of balls. And these little spheroid robots. And they're all like, hey, I'm ready to be helpful. And you pull back the slingshot, physically doing it with your hand because you've got the vibe controller, pull it back. And you've got And let it go, and you're playing Angry Birds in this giant warehouse, hitting things, knocking stuff over, making it explode, causing chaos, and it's hilarious because, every time you pull it back it's like, I'm ready to help you, [SOUND]! You know, it's like, they're screaming, they're giving you helpful hints, they're like, well, I just hope you don't throw me this [SOUND]! It's funny, it's fun, and because you're actually in the physical space, doing the thing. Pulling the slingshot back past yourself. You can look at it from all sides. Aim. You know, you aim the way you actually would aim. Amazing, amazing. Welcome to the future, everybody. Virtual reality. It's happening, guys. Get excited. Because The reason I get so imp about this is because you really don't understand what so fun about it unless you do it. And so I try to convey what is like to do. Your enthusiasm has to breakthrough to the viewer's so that they want get in to do it. I mean, I hope the people do because this is Completely different from anything we've done in video games before. It's the dream I had from when I was a little kid. It's like Tron, the movie. I wanna be inside the game. I don't wanna be looking at the game. I wanna have it all around me. Be in it. Yeah. I mean it really does feel that way. It's awesome. You're gonna get it this year, especially if you're Jeff because you pre-ordered two headsets and Sh. Don't tell my wife. Don't tell my wife. You're probably gonna get Playstation VR later this year. Boy. You're in so I want all the VRs. I'm gonna call your wife after this show. Don't tell. Why would you tell her? But let's just talk about phone talk for the day first. [MUSIC] Robert, you wrote in, you sent us this picture, you snapped it with your iPhone 6 plus, Wow, look at that. I love this photo. He says, hey TD, I love the show. I just returned to the UK from my vacation. Wow. Here are photos from three different National Parks in the west of Iceland taken last weekend on my iPhone 6s Plus. I'm sorry, 6s Plus, my bad. You have my permission to use any of these on the show if you wish. This is the one I personally chose because wow! It's gorgeous. Look at. Stat. I gotta go to Iceland. This is like the second or third photo we've gotten from Iceland. It is. And all of them are stunning. They're amazing. And everything looks like a picture, I feel like, in Iceland, and it looks like a frozen ocean. And I think that's just so cool. Yeah. Literally and figuratively. I thought Iceland was supposed to be green and Greenland was supposed to be icy. Well I think if you go by Mighty Ducks II- As we should. The fishing coach from Iceland, the nice lady, goes out for ice cream with Emilio Estevez, and she says- Hello nice lady! Greenland is covered with ice, and Iceland looks very nice. I don't see. But- That was really nice to me. It look nice but also I think- I'm sure they have [UNKNOWN] time so they probably a thing. If you guys wanna send your phonetography, feel free. It's tomorrowcnet.com. Yeah. We appreciate that. Be sure to tell us what device you took it on. Give us permission to use it on the show and give us little story about why you took that particular photo. Yes. And I owe a big thank you to Dan [UNKNOWN] for coming on the show today talking about [UNKNOWN]. Thank you for Forward scouting virtual reality for all of us. Us and you. IGDC And thanks to all of you who used that hashtag HeyTD and participated in our discussion. We love it when you do that. Yes. We also love it when you share the show. So, send people to tommorowdaily.com or your favorite podcast app, whichever works better for you cuz we're flexible like that. Fun. Find us on social media. We're always a lot of fun and we know you guys are too. We will see you next week. But until then. Be good humans. Bye guys. [MUSIC]