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Is the rumored 'PlayStation 4.5 Neo' really battling Xbox One S? (Open_Tab)Sony will be making a PlayStation announcement on September 7, which is highly speculated to be a higher-end gaming console. But is that system going to battle Microsoft's recently released Xbox One S? Jeff Bakalar and David Katzmaier discuss if there...
[MUSIC] All right Sony has invited press to event on September 11th in New York City. To announce obviously the Playstation Neo. This is the step up console from the PS4. Which was dubbed PS 4.5. Nerdiest name, nerdiest name. I didn't do it, did you do it? No. It's not your fault, it's not my fault. Not the PS5, it's the PS 4.25. Could be, feels like it. Even a 0.37, something like that. So check out the rumored specs, rumored specs for the Playstation Neo. 4K graphics for games and Ultra HD 4K Blurays. Right it will rock a 2.1 gigahertz AMD processor with jaguar cores. [SOUND] Which I guess is like the cat like reflexes. Yeah they're not quite leopard cores. Right we're not there yet. No. 8 gigabytes of GGDR5 memory which is pretty good. Although 16 would have been better. Support for all current games existing on the PS4 right now. So you're not going to buy this thing and not be able to play a game that had been on PS4 and vice versa. I was super worried about that. Thanks for clearing that up. Well it's a big deal, right? [LAUGH] It's a big deal. People are like I'm not going to be able to play a PS4 Neo game on my PS4 No, don't worry, they all gonna work. The catch though is that the PS4.5 slash Neo games probably gonna look and perform better. So there's that. The event's coming up. There's really not a ton to talk about that just because we've known about this for so many months going in. My biggest question is will this impact plus improved Playstation VR. Mm-hm. And I feel like that something there holding back. The messaging has been a little cloudy. Yeah. Whether or not they're gonna do that. So for me, don't forget Playstation VR comes out October 13 What's that gonna look like? Is this gonna be, really, the system you wanna play it on, maybe not so much on standard PS4s? Especially the specs for Oculus Rift and HTC Vibe are, I think, considerably higher than what a Play Station 4, [CROSSTALK] the PC. They absolutely are way higher. Yeah. So you would imagine maybe that PS4.5 Catches up. It's still nowhere near the modern state of the art GPUs, but maybe it narrows the gap just a little bit. Yeah, and you gotta say, if they do make it slightly better, is that gonna be now, immediately, or are developers gonna take a while to implement that extra VR horsepower? It may be a couple years down the road before you start to see differences between them. Totally. And there's a lot to unpack here. It's not something we can do in the few minutes we have here. But the way you gotta think about it is, Sony basically told all the developers who make video games, they said look, we got this more powerful thing coming out in a couple months. They're kind of decreeing that everything that comes out, I believe it's October or September, Anything that comes out that month and beyond must support both sort of spec sets, right. So this game's gotta work a certain way on Wii and it's got to work a certain way on PS4 vanilla. I'm curious if they can get it to make regular games, who cares about VR, make regular PS4 games look really good. Right. There's some tricks they can do. Like backfill that. Yeah, yeah, do a PC game rig can do and just up the, and make it better with 4K obviously. For sure. Take of advantage that it's got 4K resolution instead of just making it look exactly the same as PS4. We'll see how it all shakes out, September 7th not that far away. Your questions are [CROSSTALK]. Of course the same day as the iPhone 7 thing. I swear these guys just want us dead. Which one's more exciting James? I feel like Playstation, [UNKNOWN] [LAUGH] The lesser of two evils right there. Jerry wants to know, Why should he buy Neo if he doesn't own a 4k TV which is probably a relevant question? Yeah. It's a relevant question. I think you are still gonna get graphical improvements on your regular TV. Like that's something that it's tough to sort of suss out. I think we kind of like- We want it to we can test them yet. What's that? We want it to we can actually look at them. Yeah for sure. Odds are you're gonna get better performance. Coming from a PS4 to a Neo, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to get it. So we'll sort of be able to suss that out once we get our hands on it. But on paper the reason you'd wanna upgrade is to get that graphical jump up from a PS4 plus possibly future proof yourself if you do one day wanna buy- There you go. A 4K TV. Yeah. Then we have two Xbox oriented- Yeah sure. Questions, too. Agent wants to know if you guys think Microsoft right now hyping up their plans for people he doesn't want to go to Xbox 1S but I guess he's thinking about the one after that for next year. Right. And Nick Wants to know if he should switch from Playstation. That's a you question. Right, those are machines so. Whatever floats your boat. Yeah, like switching consoles, that's kind of up to you. You've got to go by like, value and the games, really. For me it's the games. Like if the games you want to play are on one platform, go to that platform. Friends are on one platform that's another thing. Exactly. Being able to play with them, with your friends is a big deal. So most people like to play on the same platform their friends are on. When it comes to the what was the first one, Xbox is ramping up their. They're trying to hype up. I guess by putting up hey we're doing this. But next year we have this bigger system. Yeah, it's definitely strange that Xbox One has kind of, was out with the knowledge that Scorpio is on the horizon. I think their hand was forced a little bit in terms of having to be transparent about what their roadmap looks like, nevertheless Any kind of publicity for those guys these days in this generation of consoles is probably good. They have not been able to sell as many consoles as Sony has. [LAUGH] So yeah we're going to talk- But it's a good Segway right? I mean Scorpio. Seems to me like the question mark here, cuz it's still the one nobody defined yet. Right, and that really is the way it's shaping up. The landscape is Scorpio's coming out late next year. The current XBox One is likely gonna drop in price. Playstation 4 Neo seems like it's going to be a thing this year. So it's like, well, how does it all kind of shake out? Yeah. I guess another question we're getting a lot is who should buy the Xbox 1S. And kinda said nobody maybe. Well, the thing is, we were talking about HDR before so The Xbox 1S is currently the cheapest 4k Blu-ray player so this app on the PS3 it was the cheapest Blu-ray player. Right. And it was by far the best at the time and it helped really make Blu-ray relevant format for a few years. I think Xbox 1S doesn't really have that same sort of opportunities because streaming is so much more popular now than discs. But if you're that guy that just bought a 4K TV and you want to have the best video quality experience, the XBox One S is less expensive by 75, 100 bucks than the other 4K Blu-ray player by Samsung that's out right now. So that's one reason. Sure. But it's a pretty niche reason. It's a pretty niche reason, and you and I had Certainly an interesting time trying to get it to work the right way. Took a really long time to get HDR to play right. Even things as simple as getting that 4K resolution to first show up involved a bunch of updating and unplugging and handshaking and what not. And playing in the Settings menu. And there's a lot of stuff in there that's tough to comprehend for most people. You're gonna have to dive a little deep. It's not very user friendly. Someone brought up before about HDR in games, and is that a thing? It is, but Xbox is only gonna have three games that support it kind of out of the gate. And I believe that's Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, and then the next year's, again called Scalebound. So that's Three games are going to support HDR. Is that worth the new TV? The new XBox? Probably not. Unless you have kind of disposable income. Yeah, yeah. So think about it like that. XBox 1-S, weird kind of system, it's the best looking one they've ever made. There you go. I'll give you that. It's a sexy little box. If you're into that. So yeah, that's where we're at. Any other questions? Yeah, Adrienne wants to pose to you guys with so much news about the future. There's always rumor speculation going on. Sure. Who do you think would be the victor, if we can declare one, it's a little early. And does it really matter in the long term future of gaming? Well I think it does if you are looking to see like where this company is going next or they are talking about victor between Xbox Project Scorpio and Neo? Yeah, I think they're targeting the future of that. Yeah, well I mean look. You've got to look at the way it is now. This are not brand new consoles. They simply step up consoles. So ps4 is the better selling console. In my opinion it is the better experience. Mm-hm And they do seem to have the better library of games. Yeah. So I would imagine that trend would follow through in the next. Four or five years, however long we're headed with this sort of lifespan. But the wildcard, and Scorpio's advantage is the fact that it's coming out later. They can give it better specs- Right. And they can tell their developers, take advantage of these better specs and maybe Will that manifest more in VR. Right exactly which is a big part of this. Which is such a crazy resource hog. Yeah. To make a good VR experience requires crazy good hardware. So I think at least there's that. That Xbox's later release date with Scorpio gives them a potential advantage on paper. For sure. I think they are a little further out. I think calling it a holiday 2017 thing is sort of wishful thinking. I hope it comes out then and it sees the light of day then, but. If you're a betting man, no, holiday 2017? I think it would really put them at a disadvantage if they weren't able to meet that. So, come out no matter what. I'm hoping it comes out, even if it doesn't have a fourth wall, it doesn't matter. [LAUGH] Bring that thing out. David, about how much do you think the, it's a question from earlier but it bridges over now, somebody wants to get a television that would take advantage of the 4K gaming and they'd be, if HDR coloring could get into there, how much do you think they'd be spending about now if they wanted a TV? Well, there's a huge range. Right now, my favorite TV for money is a Vizio P series that starts at 1,000 bucks for 50 inches, and it's 4K, it's got both HDR formats, great picture. The very best picture is OLED, which is a lot more expensive. LG's OLED TVs. But man that thing is good. It's so good you're like, yeah, maybe I can afford 2,500. [LAUGH] Maybe I should re-mortgage. Yeah, so the 65-inch OLED is between $5000 to $6000 now for this generation And spectacular picture but way out of most people's price range. So most people are buying LED LCDs. That Vizio was really good. You don't like the Vizio, there's a Samsung that's pretty decent. A Sony that I reviewed recently. If you go on the website you'll see. Yeah, but I mean all those TVs are a feature [UNKNOWN] as they can be. They've got the hardware. The hardware's still ahead of the software, the TV shows and movies at this point And the games you just said it's only 3 HDR games. So you buy one of these TV's you're going to be set. Yep, I mean and also, I feel like we always have to pepper in these disclaimers. XBOX One S right now you can not play native 4K games, that is not a thing. All that's happening is an upscaling, so keep that in the back of your mind. One other question we got. Sure. It's a joke but a good joke. Okay. Do either of you own a tube TV? I actually do cause it's the only one that my Playstation 2 will connect to. My parents have more then they should in their house. Wow. That's a big negatory. I think they have two and I've tried. It's just a lost cause. Just one day just take it up the curb and don't tell him. It's heavy. You forget [CROSSTALK] how heavy they are man. They got like a 40 inch and that's not light. No. A 40 inch tube, that's Mitsubishi, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. well that thing is crazy. That was the largest television made I'm pretty sure. I was like turn it into a fish tank or something. Yeah that's you can't even get that out of the house. Right you're [CROSSTALK] we have to start sawing it in half and taking it out by pieces. That's a beast. It's crazy. All right. [MUSIC]