iOS 11.3 Beta finally has iCloud Messaging and AirPlay 2 (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 116)
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Look, there's a lot of meaty news this week.
I love it because during this kind of holiday lull from January to Febuary, you sometimes don't really get much news.
But we've got a whole bunch dropped on us, specifically from Apple.
We'll talk about the HomePod in a bit, but the latest news has to do with iOS 11.3.
Apple released their own kind of press release form previewing what we can expect to see in the new iOS 11.3.
And Beach, I kind of talked about this in the show, but it's always disappointing to me when you launch this new iOS and what do you think is the first thing that they feature.
I'm looking at it and I'm just as disappointed as you.
It's iOS 11.3 bro and an emojis is like the headliner.
Are we really, is that what we're right now.
I have not seen one person in my life likefriend circle or online like use this in real
Life situation for fun, you know what I mean?
It's always been like, we're testing it out, like it's a CNET video or something we're testing out.
I've never seen anyone use them.
Well, if you have nephews and your brother has an iPhone 10, you're gonna get plenty of them.
You're gonna get plenty of them.
So let's just kinda dive it into some of the highlights of what we're gonna expect to see in Iowa's 11.3.
I think there's some
Interesting pieces to this puzzle.
The coolest part for me is obviously, well actually not coolest, when they first announced this on the press released they made no mention of iCloud messaging or Air Play 2. And why does that always been like a bug-a-boo for me?
They announced those two features back in June at WWDC, we have yet to even see them.
In this press release when they first let it out, there was no mention of iCloud messaging, that allows you to sync your messages on all Apple devices, so if I deleted it on my phone, it deletes from my iPad, I know why a lot of you need that feature.
I think I know, I think we know why you need that feature.
I turned it off because I didn't like it if someone was texting me on my phone.
Than my iPad.
Maybe my kids will be at home, and they'll see my iPad, and the texts will show up there?
I know, I know, you don't-
You don't want no D pic, I get it, I get it.
You just wanna make sure when you delete them, you delete them.
Okay, so what we have here is those two features, iCloud Messaging and Airplay 2, are in the beta that they actually just released.
We'll talk about the other features, but Apple has made this available to developers in their beta 11.3 as well as the public beta that everyone can actually sign up for.
Again at your own risk because these are beta it's most likely going to affect the performance of your phone.
But if you wanna try those out I clouding messaging is on that is air play too.
Some people are kind of.
A little confused or curious about what Air Play To really does.
Well right now in the beta, it has nothing to do with the home pod right now.
What happens is in the beta you can use Air Play To and what does that mean?
I can play a song from my phone, and then direct it to multiple devices at home.
But really it's only available to work with Apple TVs running The beta as well.
So if you have multiple Apple TVs and a single phone, you can play the song in different rooms.
That's it right now.
Again that's right now.
It's supposed to be obviously expanded to the HomePod when that's ready to roll, we'll talk about it in a second but At least these are features that have taken eight months for us to even see in the beta that were key kind of tent pole features that they teased down in June.
So I'll still give them flack for it because it's been so long.
But let's talk about the other stuff.
Animojis, get ready, you've got four new animojis.
You get a skull
This is a lion.
Then there's if you scroll down a little bit more, there's a dragon.
There's a little video that plays a dragon.
I saw the dragon.
Yeah you can just play that video.
Dragon's kind of cool.
Unleash the dragon!
We also have ARKit 1.5.
What makes that different right now.
ARKit really can see flat tables.
Or horizontal surfaces.
ARKit 1.5 improves that to support vertical things like walls or doors, and it can place objects in them.
The previous ARKit wasn't able to do that.
So you'd honestly get some weird spacial-looking things where objects might be almost floating on a wall instead of actually detecting it.
This is gonna be interesting because this is taking it to the next level.
Apple's big on AR, so that's going to be a cool thing.
The health app is allowing you now to get all your medical records from service providers directly into that.
That's going to be kind of very helpful as Apple continues to push forward with using, really, the combination of the iPhone and the Apple watch
Another feature called Business Chat is coming, this allows businesses, right now it's gonna be limited to apps like Lowe's or Wells Fargo.
You'll be able to chat directly with someone using the Messages app as the vehicle-
To get support.
Dude, you know how many times I call Lowe's and can't get someone on the phone?
This is gonna fix my problem because I've been trying to get them on the phone.
Pick up the phone Lowe's.
Answer the phone, man.
But now we know how much, right, chat support is huge.
It's everywhere now.
Customer service is dying.
Across the board.
So we need something where we can get like right in their face and be like hey.
[LAUGH] You know?
The other thing really, the biggest thing about iOS 11.3 that they've buried way later into this press release, is that now they are making this power management feature available for us that will allow us to see the health of our battery.
We all know about the whole battery issue that happened literally right before our break.
Where Apple admitted to throttling the performance of phones if after a certain amount of time, starting with IOS11.2, was it?
I believe 11.2.
You know, we've been gone a while, so forgive me.
It's Iphone 6's too, right?
It affects Iphone 6's and above.
So it'll show the health of your battery.
It'll also recommend to you when you need to get your batteries swapped out when it's conditioned as poor.
But also, users, if they don't want their phone to be throttled, they're going to give you the option now to turn off that better performance throttling feature.
So you will have control over whether it's in place or not.
That's a good thing.
It's a good thing.
You know what?
I think that, although it took time and I will still say it was a horrible thing for them to hide it, and I'm glad it came out, and I'm glad it surfaced, and Apple had to own up to it, the things that we talked about, what did they need to do?
Offer a battery service replacement program.
They couldn't put all the fees of it on us because It was something that they were doing behind our backs.
And then three, give us the option to turn it off or on in software.
Some people may find that they'd rather keep the feature on quite honestly.
But just give us these options now that we know what they're actually doing.
And you still may or may not be happy about it.
I know there's people that.
Either threatened or outright said I'm just not gonna get an Apple iPhone anymore, and that's on Apple.
That's what they did.
They did come out really quick though when that story broke.
Within a day or two I feel like they addressed it.
And then made the battery replacement $27 or something
Yeah 29 bucks
It's still is it going to remain that or is it for a certain amount of time
It's for well yeah it's basically the models have to fall within a certain range.
It can't be they're not going to do this $29 battery plan 5 years from now.
It's gonna be applicable to certain models that fall within this time range
I gotta jump on that because I'm a six S'er
Well I'm almost guaranteed, not only do you have to jump on that, but even before Apple announced this plan, and before they were exposed, if you punched in the serial number of your phone onto an Apple Care website, it would actually tell you if you qualified for a straight up battery replacement without paying a fee.
Because they were having some of these issues before they admitted they were screwing with our phones.
So, you know, that will always be there.
Other things that are kinda happening around with iOS 11.3, we talked about cloud messaging, animojis, health records.
It's expected to come out some time this Spring, we don't know exactly when, but Apple has said iOS 11.3, available this Spring.
I'm normally amped up about new operating systems but the last month and a half with Apple releasing 11 to 11.1 to 11.1.1 to 1.12 all that.
I'm not really that excited but
And they even wrote even in the developer documentation.
Just because they put iCloud messaging in this beta doesn't mean it's still going to be ready to roll.
They said they're using it for testing purposes right now.
So it still could be longer for that.
I would like iCloud messaging syncing if you know what I mean.
The other big story that dropped this week Apple officially announced the
Release date for the Home Pod, which will be February the 9th.
The big thing, if you're listening to this podcast live or right now within the next ten hours, I guess.
No, seven hours.
You'll be able to preorder the Home Pod for a lovely retail price of 349 US dollars, 319 pounds, or 499
Around midnight or pretty much midnight Friday, which is January the 26th, which is really about six, seven hours from now, you'll be able to preorder the HomePod in either its space grey or white.
They released in their press release and official announcement some details about the HomePod.
If you've seen the video podcast, you'll know how I feel about it, so I don't want to continue to beat a dead horse with some of the points that I've made there.
But I will say here, there's some let downs obviously right out of this major launch.
Now Apple had touted this as the best sounding smart speaker on the market And I don't doubt, at least when you compare it to the Google Home, and the Amazon Echo, and even the Sonos One, that it arguably, before we even see it, at least has better sound than the standard Google Home and the Amazon Echo.
I'm not sure about the amp that Google Home max, but really, when you stack up everything that's going on with here, even after these delays,
I thought they were delaying this to fine tune it.
And in the press release they announced out of the gates, the home pod will have no multiuser support.
That is huge because the Echo and the Google Home have that.
Which allows it to basically detect the voice of different people and then know what their contacts or what their to-do lists are like.
That's a big deal in the Home Assistant.
Also, we know Siri is still inferior to those other voice assistants.
We know Echo kills it, Google Assistant kills it.
There's the smart home compatibility, when we're talking about third-party devices, is not gonna be nearly as extensive as what Amazon has.
Google even has more than them out of the gates.
And then if you use the Echo, there's always kind of some fun little skills-
Those third-party apps that you use.
Hot Potato, I love Hot Potato.
Did you know there's a, kids will love this one, I'm not trying to
drive parents crazy, but there's a fart app>>No I don't want that.
[laughter]>>on the Amazon Echo>>[laughter]>>and you can ask, you can ask the Echo, like, you say, Alexa, did you fart?>>[laughter}>> Or what is a- you can ask like different questions.
Did someone fart?
What it is, I think it's called UFART, actually.>>Oh wow.
I'm going to have to go look for that skill.
I used it.
Your kids will just drive you crazy.
Anyways, those third party apps there;s nothing available for that, with the home pod as well.
So when you start stacking this up, even the home pod itself only natively plays Apple music.
There's no third party services that it talks to directly, to just the home pod.
So what does it really, at least right now, on launch, have going for it?
The fact that it might, I'm gonna say most likely will be the best sounding smart speaker.
But the it's not smart.
It's not that smart.
Yeah, that's a huge bummer because my kids, they talk to Alexa all the time
They know what songs they like to hear.
And it doesn't sound great, but plug it into a stereo, you're fine.
But yeah, if that's what they're going on, just the sound quality, then I think they're losing.
I think the biggest miss here that I should've got to first is that not only is it not gonna support multi users
There will be on launch no more tire room support.
And what does that mean for you?
If you wanted to put two home pads in different rooms you won't be able to do that and they won't be able to talk to your phone and play different songs or the same song.
But the biggest part about that Apple promoted that you can buy two home pods.
To create stereo sound.
That will not even supported on launch.
That's a bummer, that is.
Google Home Mac supports that on launch.
Yeah, I don't think Alex, Echo did not.
Like we got multi room later.
Maybe like a year later.
And and also like with the Echo platform they've been there for three years.
Google Home has been there like Two inches, two and a half inches or so, I don't know exactly, you know.
We know it's being a while yeah.
So this is your entry, this is, I don't, this is your entry into it at 3:40 AM.
I'm not saying they have to have a cheap sounding, small speakers, I know the point of it is, they are trying to say, we wanna have the best sounding smart view but it's that really.
A big enough differentiator for the general mainstream audience to care.
During the holiday season, I can't remember the numbers, but we're talking about in the tens of millions.
I think around 40 to 50, I don't want to say, cuz I'm not sure exactly.
But over the Black Friday holiday season, the number one selling stuff Alongside with air pods, we're smart speakers.
They were deeply discounted.
They knew that Apple dropped the ball.
They didn't get theirs out in the holiday season, and so you're talking about $30 Echo minis and Google Home minis
Just, you can't compete with that.
And even the Sonos 1, just today.
They're like, hey, normally our Sonos 1 player with Alexa built in is 199 a pop.
We'll sell two of them to you, that have multi-room stereo control, for 349.
For the price of one Apple HomePod.
Ooh, that's a big dig, right?
They did that today.
Dig right at Apple.
They did that today.
So there's competition out there and this is what you're coming with like it's just disappointing to me.
The last two years too we just got back from CS, the last two years you can't throw a rock without something that's Alexa enabled
Inside that place.
And we'll have some phonecalls and we'll answer some other questions about just The Homepod platform.
There is one thing I do wanna point out is that peer to peer air play streaming still exists.
And what does that mean?
That at least allows you to use an app like Spotify or Pandora, and play directly from your iPhone to your Homepod.
But it is different when if you don't Wanna go in here, and then press the icon to send it over to your home pod.
We'd like to just play music on our devices, but you can at least do that from your phone to the home pod.
So that is its way to getting around to have third party Party support for the actual Home Pod.
That sounds like a little bit of work you gotta do.
Work, yes it is.
Also Apple Care for the Home Pod will be $39, that extends your coverage to two years.
The other thing to know about it, much like the iPhone and other devices, you have two incidents that will be covered, like let's say you knock over the Home Pod and it drops on the ground You will have to pay $39 additional for each of the two incidents in order for it to get repaired.
So 39 to cover for two years.
Every time you go in the Apple Store to get it repaired if something happens it's an additional $39.
And you can do that twice.
So If you're really clumsy.
You have to be really clumsy to knock over a HomePod.
It's pretty hefty.
> Yeah, I can't remember the last time I knocked over a speaker.
[LAUGH] Dude, don't jinx yourself.
I know, right?
Like you work around this stuff.
I love this quote here.
Tim Cook was recently interviewed for the Financial Post.
And obviously the subject of the HomePod was brought up because This.
I rant and raved about it in the show, but really, we know Apple is late to the market.
That's fine, but when Apple has been late to the market in the past, they at least gave us some compelling feature or some compelling reason, or at least a polished product to bring to the market, right?
The Home Pod is the least compelling product on launch Compared to the competition that I can even remember.
You're just telling me I should pay a whole bunch of money for a speaker that just sounds better.
A smart speaker but is inferior in every other way right now.
I'm just saying right now.
Like before it's even launched it's already irrelevant I feel like.
The least compelling Apple launch that I've seen.
In my, I don't wanna say in my life, but I feel like it.
I really feel like it.
I'm not trying to throw out this superlative, like, of all time, but I'm really feeling that way.
I'm really feeling that way.
Tim Cook interviewed again in the financial post about this.
He was asking, they were asking him about the HomePod.
Because guess what, yeah, it's trailing.
It's three years late, think about how long three years is in the tech world.
That's a millenium.
You learn so much in that time.
So this is what Tim Cook said, And this is his quote.
We think one thing that was missing from this market was a quality audio experience, a very immersive audio experience.
Music deserves that kind of quality, as opposed to some kind of squeaky sound.
Says the guy, or he didn't launch it.
But iTunes, who is all AAC files.
You know what I mean, it's all like mp3s So, I mean, start doing FLAC files, maybe, and then-
I forgot to tell you, it will support FLAC.
That's right, I think I did hear that, but no.
At least the HomePod will support FLAC.
But do they sell FLAC files on iTunes?
I don't actually know, I don't they do.
I don't they do.
I'm pretty sure they don't, actually, yeah, yeah.
Another quote by Tim Cook, just in regards to the competition of everything happening in this space.
Tim Cook said, competition makes all of us better, and I welcome it.
But if you are both trying to license something and compete with your licenses, this is a difficult model.
And it remains to be seen if it can be successful or not.
So what is he really poking at?
He's talking about the fact that Amazon has Alexa built into their devices but is also letting other companies like Sonos and others use it in their devices.
That's a good thing to me because right now, they're winning in the smart home platform.
I mean, both them and Google are putting their brains in everything then they don't have to be.
It almost makes me laugh a little, because look, Apple is the king of licensing, they freaking licensed the Made for iPhone program that allowed to use a lightning port in third party speakers.
Is he talking about branding and name recognition?
Because I can almost see that with Siri, because Siri's like
When it first came out it was extremely popular.
Now Alexa's catching up, and Cortana's kinda around.
Licensing is more like letting another company use your technology it in.
So like Sonos is using right.
Yeah I understand that, but I feel like he's approaching this comment that he made, as opposed to branding, he's making fun of licensing
Because his brand is so much bigger, and Siri's more popular or more well known, you know what I mean?
Alexa is gaining that ground, for sure.
I think if you talk about the smart home, if you walked on the street.
Again, this is for people that care about this, because we're in the tech bubble right?
We're totally in the bubble.
If you said, if we walked down in San Francisco right now and asked 30 people
When I say smart home, what do you think?
More than half of them are going to say smart what?
Quite seriously, that's just being honest.
I wonder if you went out in the street and you said Siri or Alexa, what would people say?
You know what I mean?
Talk english boy, speak english.
So we'll see what happens again.
The pre-orders open this midnight.
Yes, I'm going to buy one, I I do our own Apple Byte review stuff.
We don't ever, I don't ever get an early product review from Apple.
I use my own money on it, and that's why my reviews speak to someone who's actually putting down real hard cash for this.
That's all I can say.
That's also the reason why you don't get invited to Apple [UNKNOWN]
[LAUGH] That's true.
That's 100 right there.
It's exactly why I don't get invited.
I'm fine with that.
It's like, you know, they can intravenously feed everyone else the kool-aid.
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Okay, let's get, jump into some more stories this week.
Do you want to hear about iPad stuff?
iPad is working, this is according to Bloomberg Apple is working on a 2018 iPad redesign with facial recognition.
Now, we've kinda heard stories about this, but these are kinda some upgraded details.
Bloomberg had reported on this a while back.
The new model's going to eliminate the Home button completely.
But an OLED display as we've gotten closer to this is unlikely.
The latest iPad Pro models have really kind of turned things around.
Again Apple said it upgraded the hardware and the software for them.
And I told you the iPad Pro is my favorite gadget of I guess the past two years.
I think last year my favorite gadget was the Apple Watch Series 3 from Apple.
Here we go with the iPad Pro, this new one that's coming out.
It'll be a redesigned high end iPad for as early as 2018.
It'll incorporate iPhone 10 features such as slimmer edges and yes, a true depth sensor camera for facial recognition.
We got a lot, we got a few calls about how much people are liking face id over time now, I think is really interesting because it's different from the first month versus six month later really is how use this anyway.
This new iPad model that we believe will be shown will have a screen size similar to the 10.5 inch iPad Pro, including face id for unlocking the device, making payments and whatnot.
The updated tablet is expected to be released later in the year but a little more than, we'll see if it come out It's got to come out this year with an iPad Pro upgrade, so we'll see that.
But again, no home button, slimmer bezels, face ID on the 2018 iPad Redesign.
It'll be interesting to Yeah, I think I would, we'll talk about it.
It makes more sense to have face ID on iPad.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it does.
It seems like it'd be more easier to use.
I want more space, I mean, I'm just thinking about it.
You want more space on your screen.
Well, it just, how do I hold, you know what?
Here's the thing.
I do hold my iPad, like looking at it more than I do with my phone.
Your phone's lying on the table, you pick it up, you want it just to work, instead of like holding it up to your face.
So, an iPad is already directed at your face.
Yeah, I mean you hold it up just to get into it.
Yeah, that makes sense.
iPhone, like sometimes I'll just turn it on from over here, just so I can play a song, or something.
That's a little different.
You are correct sir.
Also a hints in the iOS 11.3 firmware do hint at the fact that we'll seen an iPad with Face ID in the notes of the developer kind of code and files in there as they were dug into.
By Felipe Esposito.
Good job, man.
Good job, man.
They have noted that there's a reference to it, a modern iPad.
And, the reason why this is important is because, before the iPhone 10 came out, it was referenced as modern iPhone.
So if you take that knowledge and you see the word Modern iPad in the code, it's most likely not only a new iPad, but an iPad with Face ID recognition.
So I'm seeing the notch here.
Is that gonna bother you, if you get the notch?
Hell, yeah it's gonna bother me.
Yeah, this notch is not looking pretty on [CROSSTALK]
Notch my iPad, bro.
I don't wanna see a notch on my iPad.
Why can't they just make the top one long line, I mean.>> You mean like they showed up on the iPhone?>> Yes, why not.
It is funny, because it is one of the most polarizing things I think the hardcore, fans are like whatever Apple does is perfect.
And there is poepl that are like that is so ugly It's one of the most polarizing features, I think, just from a visual aesthetic standpoint.
I just found Filipe's code.
Sorry, I didn't see that before, but here it is.
For people that are listening, enjoy looking at Filipe's code.
Yes, the modern iPad.
You can't have a show, you can't have a comeback show without iPhone X news, this is just some updates.
People are tweeting me, Apple's gonna cancel the iPhone X, they're gonna cancel it!
And I'm like, slow your roll.
Slow your roll.
Wasn't that one of their most popular ones so far?
Well, numbers are starting to dictate that it's less popular than expected.
So this is the story
According to Ming-Chi Kuo, KGI Securities analyst, he believes that there's been a reduction in orders for the iPhone X because of weak demand, or weaker demand for the iPhone X design.
And that basically, production has caught up with that demand, and could cease To be manufactured, while the kind of the next generation iPhone 10s are coming.
Now here's the thinking behind it.
He believes based on his sources, again this is removal that the iPhone 10, when the next gen comes out right we're talking about the second generation iPhone 10.
Apple doesn't want to release a cheaper, lower cost iPhone 10 because it'll be like,
Well if it's not that much difference, why do I need the new iPhone 10?
If it's about the same.
So, the belief here or the thinking here is that they will stop making the current iPhone 10.
And then based on reports, the new line up of iPhones will be actually 3 of them.
That was, it's been thrown up a few times.
But basically, the 3 models will be a new updated 5.8 inch all the based iPhone 10, some of what we have now but just new processors, a few new browsing resource.
There will now be also an iPhone X Plus, which is a 6.5 inch OLED iPhone.
It's the second article in there Beach.
I'm trying to find it, sorry.
It's okay don't worry.
Is your cursor on it?
It's this one.
No that one, the one below it.
[LAUGH] There's a 6.5 inch OLED.
Let's call it the iPhone 10 Plus.
And that one will be $1500.
And then there will be a third iPhone that measures in at 6.1 which will actually be more like a midrange iPhone with a similar iPhone 10 design.
But it will not be an OLED, it will be an LCD based screen.
And some rumors are saying it'll even remove 3D Touch, but it'll be kinda like the midrange iPhone.
So three models, 5.8 and 6.5 will be OLEDs and then the thrid model will be a 6.1 inch one with an LCD based screen.
That is what we have right now.
But that's why If you have three phones in the lineup right now why put out a cheaper iPhone 10 as the fourth model when you have all these iPhone 8s and 7s and 6s?
Like I don't know if you remember, but once Apple released the iPhone 10, they showed the entire iPhone lineup.
It was like ten phones.
It was crazy, yeah.
It was like, what the hell is going on here, like [LAUGH]
It's something for everyone at every price point, I guess.
The SE was really, it was a big hit for them-
It was a super hit.
Sleeper hit, right.
It was a super big hit, sleeper sleeper hit.
So they're probably trying to work some of that magic again.
They had to actually source more parts for it because it was more successful then they thought.
They knew they were gonna Or at least a lower cost iPhone but they didn't realize how popular [CROSSTALK].
So Apple iPhone X rumors.
Here's one that I thought was really interesting, Apple is getting into the, not into but they're putting a focus back On e-books, or really their iBooks platform.
According to Bloomberg, Apples getting back into the e-books fight against Amazon, taking them on directly.
The company is working on a new digital book reader app for iPhones and iPads.
And also, Apple hired former Amazon and Barnes and Noble exact specifically to oversee the unit.
According to the report, this new app is due to be released in the coming months.
It won't be called, It won't be called iBooks it will be just called books, similar to how Apple has Apple Music.
This Apple we called Books.
It will be a newly redesigned application specifically geared to taking on the eBook market.
We know that Amazon has dominated that.
They offer like Kindle Platform, which I used to be a Barnes and Nobel guy and then I just couldn't, and I was locked into the ecosystem and I couldn't do it anymore, because I'm like, man, those Kindles are like so nice.
Yeah, it was sad seeing all the Barnes and Nobels closing across the country.
I still go hang out in them though.
Do you really?
I'm still like a book guy.
It's fun to walk around and look at the artwork.
So right now if you look at kinda like the market breakdown of who has the dominate position, as of February 2017 Amazon owns 83.3% of the eBook market, Apple is at 9%.
And Barnes and Noble is at 4%.
So The thinking here is that Apple wants to redesign their app, make a little sleeker, I'll be the first one to say when Apple released their, remember the news app?
<< You guys use the news app?
<< Does it have like the little shelf, like looks like a bookshelf?
<< Well, that was their bookshelf.
<< Not the news app?
I'm talking about the books.
<< Yeah, it'd have a shelf that looked like a bookshelf.
<< I don't use the news app.
See, I didn't think I was gonna use the news app, but because I'm such an iPad freak, I use it all the time on my iPad.
So I'm not gonna.
And when I first heard about it I'm like, I'm not gonna use that.
But I do now so I'm gonna admit to it.
I'm so locked in the amazon ecosystem, I don't see myself using this books app.
But if Apple could even take away like a 10% chunk Away from Amazon just to grow their business.
I think it's a win for them.
It's not like they're gonna overtake Amazon ever, or any time soon.
And Tim Cook even put out this kind of, not mandate, but he announced that he wants Apple's services to generate $50 billion by 2021.
And so what does that mean, services like Apple Music?
Is one of them, iCloud is another one.
Right now, they're around $30 billion, so in what, three years, they wanna get 50 billion, they have to support these things, right?
So this e-book update is gonna be one of them.
I gotta say, I'm loving the NASA e-books that they released for iPad.
Super awesome, go check them out, they're free too.
pictures of NASA, pictures of space-
I will say one thing about Apple's iBooks, they have that cool thing where you flip and turn the page-
It has the page animation-
And It's not a reason to use it or buy it but I'm just saying that I like it.
No that definitely adds a flavor to your experience.
A little bit of flavor.
Apple TV news, we know that Apple is jumping in and diving in.
To Content Galore.
They just signed a deal with a straight to series order with Damien Chazelle for a series that I- do you know who Damien Chazelle is without looking at this?
I don't know.
I don't know who he is.
How about, I mean, I know who he is but I was just trying to build some drama and suspense for people that don't know.
How about the director and producer of La La Land?
Yes, okay he's like a new guy.
And he made the musical, he's like I'm gonna make a musical.
Yep and he did whiplash as well.
I haven't seen that one, I have to see that.
Yeah the one about the drum beat.
The jazz drummer.
Yep he did whiplash as well, so he's got a straight to series with Apple that will be coming out.
Or again Apple and I think they I think the announcement was that they were pitching $2 million towards investments of original content.
We know how big of a deal this is.
And they also sign a comedy series, starring Kristin Whig, that'll be produced by Reece Witherspoon, so they're getting people in place to have original content.
And, you know, that $50 billion target that we talked about for services, this is part of that.
Don't put this stuff in Apple Music.
Just create a new thing.
Apple Music's not the place, but get that money Damion.
Get that bag.
Get that money.
Get that bag.
And finally before we go to our calls
You know, we know Apple is still dilly dabbling in the smart car.
The automated thing.
And you know, they're still testing out autonomous car systems.
Apple has expanded, this is according to Bloomberg, has expanded their self-driving test fleet to 27 cars as it accelerates its efforts to catch up with the competition, like Google's, or I guess you'd call them Alphabet's Waymo self-driving cars.
They received a permit to test three autonomous cars in California.
But now they've opened that up and registered 24 more cars.
Here's the thing.
You know how we say Apple sometimes plays catch up?
How many cards do you think are on the road for Google's division, how many cards do you think they have on the road?
I gotta say hundreds.
If Apple ramped up to 27.
What do you think they have?
I gotta say hundreds because
We were just at the Detroit auto show and it was almost as if every car was gonna be self driving in the next few years.
So give me a number, hundreds, what?
I'm gonna say like maybe 1,500 Google cars.
That's a lot.
But I mean you're not over estimating.
What is it, they're testing autonomous cars in six states already, including, and they actually give the final number here.
So you might be close to right, 600 minivans in Phoenix alone.
So you're right yeah I don't know what the final number.
I know Uber had them, Lyft.
Everybody's doing it.
Bro Apple has 27.
You better start getting more of those cards on the road.
I do gotta say, though, when we were in Detroit, I did hear a lot of talk about Apple CarPlay coming to cars.
It's gonna be in a lot of cars, and there was one car maker.
Do you remember which car?
Wasn't BMW that was gonna charge?
There was one car maker that was gonna charge people
To use car play.
No there was one that they were just going to put it in standard actually and it was going to be free.
Let me look it up for you.
I forget what it was and all that.
BMW is in order to use car play they are putting out a suscription plan basically to use the car play feature which is free to use if you plug in your use directly.
They're, yeah, that's it.
So if you want to have Internet in your car, you have to buy, that makes sense.
You have to buy a subscription plan unless you want to use your phone.
No, but if you want to use your phone, if you want to use the CarPlay phone, CarPlay platform, it's $80 a year.
It's like you shouldn't charge people to use CarPlay-
No, no, no, yeah.
When you can do it anywhere.
I mean I understand paying for
Internet service to your car?
That makes sense.
But using a platform?
No, I'm just gonna plug in my iiPhone.
All right, let's get to some of them calls.
Again before we jump into them, you guys and gals are a huge part of the show, call us 1-8-0-0-6-1-6-2-6-3-8.
We had a call from a lovely young lady but it was all like, kind of sounded like Underwater and we really want to use it but it's just too hard.
It's really hard to hear.
But we love it.
Keep the calls coming.
Keep the show rolling.
This first calls a little long.
It's worth it.
It's a good one.
You only pick ones that are worth it.
Hey Beach and Tong, it's Dan in Orlando.
Love the show.
A couple of things I wanted to touch base on.
For one, I really quickly just wanted to say, Brian, I agree.
I got the iPhone X on launch day, and I love the phone.
But Face ID becomes more frustrating to me than anything, and I find myself missing Touch ID.
I'm with you there.
Regarding smart home assistance, so I'm in the middle of doing construction on my house and home renovations and as we are wrapping up we are looking into getting smart switches and things like door locks and the door bell and the security system and all that.
As much as I like the idea of you know having an Alexa In the house.
I signed that if you're fully integrated in the Apple ecosystem, I'm not sure why I would have an Alexa.
It seems to me that Apple Home Kit does all the same stuff.
You can unlock all your doors.
You can buy a camera that works with it.
You can get smart outlook and things like that.
So we actually got one as a gift over Christmas break.
And we ended up returning it because the more research I did, the more I found, we're Apple Music subscribers.
We're not the type of family that would order things over voice.
We've got Amazon Dash buttons anyways for things that we order quickly.
So I really don't know what the advantages are Of having an Alexa if you're fully integrated into the Apple eco system, and you'd rather use Siri.
And I'm just on the fence still.
I know the home pod may add value to that or not, but I'm curious about your thoughts on it.
Because I know you can add tools and stuff to Alexa but
I just don't really see what tools we would add that would be of value aside from smart home and lighting, which we could do with Siri.
So anyway, I love the show, and I'd like to here your thoughts on that, thanks.
All right, love the call.
I think there's an interesting way to look at this.
So first of all, quite honestly, fundamentally Most of these smart home platforms are going to work the same.
What it comes down to is, depending on the devices that you have, the main big core companies for lights, switches, smart plugs.
Those are most of the big brands like Phillips and door locks and stuff, they're gonna be fine on all platforms.
But what's different when you say, which one should I choose?
I think what makes it interesting is part of building the platform is being first to market and maturing it over time.
Amazon has been here for three years, Google Home has been here for two years.
So most people, at least the early tech adopters have already invested in a platform and a system And they're ready to roll, so I'm not gonna say there's a super flooding compelling reason to choose one or the other, but I will say that the Echo when you talk to it, the Google Home when you talk to it, they're smarter, you can do more things.
Think about the fact that just having multi user support, if you could Call your friend and it knew it was your voice, but then someone else in your family wants to call someone else, but that's on their phone contacts, and it does it on its own.
That's little stuff but that actually is important.
The Alexa skills, I think they're actually useful.
There's one that I use to go to sleep called Ocean Sounds.
I love it.
You can't do that anywhere else.
You may not want to order pizza, but I've actually tested getting a car service to come by.
And sure, Apple will get that eventually, but you want everything that's already there, they know what's going on, they've gone through the ups and downs.
And again, fundamentally, smart speaker-wise, if it's just the smart home, just make sure that it's compatible with your device.
But if it's anything beyond that, You can't say that Apple is a compelling reason so it always come down to what you're looking for.
A lot of people tell me home pod, home pod.
I want the best sounding smart speaker.
Well if you do, then get it if it is and spend 349.
But I also think part of it's just getting into which ecosystem first and getting locked into it.
Yeah, I think it's also price.
I mean a lot of the stuff that's Alexia enabled is a lot cheaper than Apple.
So if you want to spend a fortune, I know a lot of Apple stuff cost a lot of money.
Think about this, 349 for a Home Pod or an Amazon or Google home system that starts at 129ish.
And or cheaper if you get the small ones.
And you could buy three or four smart lights with it.
Yeah, those lights are [CROSSTALK]
And it's a [UNKNOWN] and then you already have it there.
And the system is not even more than capable.
They're the top two smart home platforms.
The switches are expensive too.
You know you get like one, they're like 30, 40 bucks.
Alexa ones might be a little cheaper, they might have bundle deals, you know?
I don't know, it's just for me it comes down to price and like ease of use.
Yeah, but if you're a rich guy and you don't care, just get whatever you want.
Yeah, **** it.
Yeah, I'll get whatever I want.
[LAUGH] Okay, next call.
What's up Beach Tong, love the show you guys, got a quick question.
So I recently sold my original Apple Watch.
The thing was just slow and not working good, I'm gonna get a new one.
So should I get the Series 3 now, or wait a little bit for the new Series 4?
When do you think they will release the Series 4, and what kind of improvements could it be bringing?
Thanks, guys, love the show.
Well with the actual Apple watch series four, because I love the series three right now, I think the only compelling thing right now that would make me really say I gotta do it, would be either a significantly better form factor, meaning super slim and light, and a camera, like a face time camera.
That's what would put me there to be like I gotta get an Apple watch three sport, otherwise They can't really do much to convince me that there's a super compelling better Apple Watch Series 4, that's what they'd have to do it, the series 3 is awesome.
It's probably also gonna have a lot of health
Yeah, yeah, [UNKNOWN] but I'm pretty healthy if you didn't notice.
[LAUGH] Don't do that, can we cut that out.
No we can't, okay.
We did it live, it's live.
Yeah I think you'd be more than happy with [UNKNOWN] but if you want to wait just wait it out.
> Couple more calls.
Hey guys, this is Bo from Arkansas
Just throwing in my two cents on Face ID versus Touch ID.
I've had my phone for about a month now and I haven't had a point where I just really wish I had the Touch ID back.
There's a couple times it's laying on my desk and I do have to move it to look at my face but typically, I'd be moving it to look at my face anyway so.
I haven't found in it an inconvenience.
I do like on how PayPal and banking apps, it just logs you right in when you launch the app.
You don't have to push a button or hold your finger, and I feel like it's a more fluid option, and I'm enjoying it.
On the other hand, HomePod,
It fits me cuz I'm all about Apple, but the price point is the killer because I'm willing to jump into a new market like Amazon or Google to try my Home settings without having to pay $350.
That's my two cents, but you all keep doing what you're doing, keep it real, we appreciate it.
I think over time, and even we had said earlier, I just don't
Hold my phone up to my face every time to unlock it.
Yeah, this caller's funny cuz in the beginning, he said he didn't miss the Touch ID.
But then he's getting used to the Face ID.
And he sees some positives about that, but also he still misses the Touch ID, so.
I think over time, I ended up just using my phone the way I normally use it and the angles that I lift it up to normally wanna see my screen a lot.
It's not there, or when you're outdoors and you have it at kind of an angle, and the sun is shining bright behind you, and it doesn't pick up, you're like that's annoying.
If you have a tooth brush in your mouth, it doesn't work.
I'm just telling you right now, it doesn't work.
If you have a tooth brush in your mouth, cuz that happens all the time.
I mean I've answered the phone brushing my teeth.
I'm serious, try it.
Have your toothbrush here and I go like this, it's not going to work.
At least not for me.
So because of that over time it's actually become more frustrating.
And I'm not going to train myself to.
Hold it up vertically to my face every time I want to use it.
That's the thing, is like all these new technologies come out.
And then we have to change our behavior, and that's annoying.
And maybe eventually the lens on it will be even a wider lens for the face recognition so that it can literaly look at hyou when it's on like be unlocked when it's flat on a table.
There were even patents and mentions in the code that it might do that.
But It's become more frustrating over time.
Be cool, I can't wait for voice recognition on lock, you just say "Hey, I'm lock".
Alright we have one more left, this is the last call,here we go.
Cheech and Chong it's Michael Pruett from California, I was just calling to say.
Merry Christmas, happy holidays, whatever you're celebrating I hope it's great.
I hope you enjoy your time with your family, with your friends and hope you get some wonderful new gadgets for christmas cuz that's really what all of us tech heads want we want something fun to play with on christmas So enjoy it.
Also, quick side note, you guys are delivering the best [UNKNOWN] out there on Apple products, there's no doubt about that.
You give a real break-down of what's going on, you don't just give us the good old Apple spin like other people do.
So I appreciate that.
Looking forward to 2018.
All right guys, later.
So he talked about goodies.
And, honestly, Beecham, we need to talk about, you have talked about air pods so much.
You finally got air pods just a few days, tell me.
It's the best gift I got-
By far this Christmas, yes.
But just tell me about your experience with honestly, because you literally just got them so I'd love to hear your raw reactions to the air-
I love them.
I love them.
These little airpods right here.
Let's do the meetchum.
If you're telling your friend what you like about them, what do you like about them man?
I just love the freedom.
I think they sound great, they sound good.
I have been catching myself like there's a phantom cable, when I'm talking on the phone, like I'll feel like I have to move the cable in front of my mouth.
And then I'm like, it's not there.
But yeah, just being able to work on the couch and like synced with my computer.
I haven't run into any problems really.
The only thing I did was I went to the gym.
And I'm not used to how long the battery lasts.
And one of them died at the gym but the other one kept going.
So I had one ear at least [LAUGH].
So I'm getting used to it and charging them and stuff like that.
But yeah, it was awesome.
What's like the biggest bugaboo for you?
The biggest bugaboo I'm just afraid I'm gonna drop it and lose it.
I've taken them out in my car and I drop one on the floor of my car and I'm like crap.
That's the biggest thing, but I love them, and they look funny my kids made fun of me.
And they're like what have you got in your ear dad.
That was the first thing they said.
But yeah I think they're fantastic, but I would like to do volume or something.
I can tap to stop, or go to the next song or whatever.
But it would be awesome to have some sort of volume control.
You know how I was tlaking about right, just if it's a touch surface just slide down right?
Yeah a slide down would be I was trying that because I saw your video I'm like
Does that actually work?
And then I went and watched more videos.
CNet videos of course, how to use your Air Pods.
Of course, of course.
But they're awesome dude.
Okay scale, let's give it a scale of five apples and you can use half a apple
Right now I'm gonna say 4 apples.
A Solid four apples.
Yes, I thought you were gonna say 4.5 honestly, because you are like hyped up on [UNKNOWN]
No, and I've done tests where I walked, like I walked all the way across this building and they still work.
This concrete mass
From my desk
Yeah, from my desk like almost
down here to the podcast studio and they're still working.
I'm like this is insane.
But, you know, they're super cool, man.
I love it.
Alright everybody, that's cool.
I'm glad you love those, bro.
I'm glad you love those.
I'm not going to say who I got them from.
Glad you loved those, bro.
Yeah, thank you.
Glad you loved those, bro.
All right, everybody, that's gonna do it for this week.
Again, remember to call us 1-800-616-2638.
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I know there's a lot of pent-up, people been saying when is freaking Extra Crunchy coming back.
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We are back.
Be a part of the show.
Thanks so much.
There's probably gonna be plenty of other stuff.
Again, the preorders for the homepod dropped today if you're listening today on, tonight midnight January the 26th, otherwise we'll talk to you soon.
Be safe, peace.
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