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Hector Monsegur interview part 3: Sony's hack and Sabu's next stepsHacker turned FBI informant Sabu gives us his thoughts on the most recent Sony hack and tells us what he hopes to do next.
[MUSIC] Let's move to present day. Can I get your thoughts on the most recent Sony Hack? [MUSIC] Well, it's an interesting situation. Mm-hm. Very interesting. It's interesting situation because a lot of propaganda involved, it's a lot of misinformation, and Let's just say it like this. I don't want to go into details. Uh-huh. But Sony has been compromised for at least six years that I know of. The people that are claiming to be GOP or whatever it is now. I read in the newspaper. I wouldn't be surprised if those are the guys that originally owned Sony way back when. Hm. That, you know, were in control of source codes, that were in control of you know, movies and access to, you know, developer networks and all that. This is not a new hack. Think about it. Let's do this. Let's, let's really think about it. If you're doing a penetration test. Mm-hm. And we tried to infiltrate a network. The amount of access that these guys access, the amount of access that they were able to obtain would have taken them several months, maybe even years especially since they were able to identify a lot of the, you know, for example, the password files. I really don't, I don't know, like, from what the newspaper says, I don't know how all that information was disbursed. well, what if these files were all distributed across the network? So, that means they have to go around, penetrating the entire network, accumulating password files as they want. They had to access source codes, movies and all that, which I'm pretty sure was not hosted on one server. Mm-hm. Clearly they had to really do a, like, a thorough audit of the entire infrastructure. So whoever hacked Sony has been inside there for a very, very long time. And we haven't seen the end of it. Like, I think the next step, if they, if, if the people at Sony haven't done it already, is they should probably start changing the router passwords before these guys delete all the routes and bring Sony completely [UNKNOWN]. Now, before this interview, I went online and asked for some questions from people on Twitter, basically seeing if they had any questions for you. As you can imagine, there's still a fair amount of animosity out there. How does that make you feel, that so many of your former. Associates have pretty bad feelings about you at this point. Well, most of these people were not my former associates. Most of these people are just random people that, you know, I barely had a relationship with. Or if I did have some sort of conversation with them, then it was pretty minimally. You also have to look at these people. These are the same people. That March 5th, 2012 loved me. Oh my god, Sabo. You're doing some great stuff. We hate the government, we hate Fox News. Now, March 6th comes. Oh my god, we hate Sabo, Fox News is the best, the government is completely right. We have to believe their story. You have a major issue there. I mean, this is too wishy-washy, too flip-floppy, this is, you can't, you can't beat, you know, you can't have an opinion on, on both situations and just flip that quick and expect me to take you serious. So, what's, what's next for you? What do you hope to do from here going forward? Well, I mean, when I was in prison. Had a great opportunity to get to know people, from different walks of life. This is actually a really good plan what they make in regards to the whole topic we're just talking about. I got to meet a lot of really cool people from different walks of life with different situations, being in prison for you know, murder, whatever. The thing that I noticed a lot of these people had no understanding of like their privacy rights or how to protect themselves. Okay? I'm pretty sure some of them were criminals, like murderers, like I'm not down for that. That's not cool. Mm-hm. But there were other people there that were, that simply got caught up in conspiracies. Do you know how easy it is to be caught up in a conspiracy? I mean you could have someone, a friend of yours call you like, hey. You know, I have some oxy's. You want some? You're like, sure, why not? like, you know it's illegal. So now boom! You're part of a conspiracy as soon as you go visit him to get the oxy's. And the Feds are listening and they're gonna pick you and him up. And guess what. That conspiracy charge is a minimum of ten years, all right? So. I feel like I wanna help prisoners. I feel, I feel like I wanna help people in general with understanding privacy. Mm. Bringing privacy to non-profits. I mean, look at, talking to media and journalists in general, I find that a lot of companies news people have no understanding of security whatsoever. I made a good point on, you know, another talk that I had. Regarding a certain interviewer who didn't, probably didn't control his own email. And this is a common trait within people in media. Where they have interns and other people controlling their communications. Yeah. And when you do that you provide, us, all right, us, or you provide hackers, an alternative attack vector. Right. The same way the government provides hackers an alt, an alternative attack vector by hiring federal contractors to essentially handle all of their security communications. So it's time that people start you know, getting educated start getting educated and have people like me and others just talk about it. So I, that's what I want to do. I'm, I, I'm, I'm a teacher by heart. You know, I want to, I want to teach at some point and help people, you know, with security cuz apparently that's my forte. That's what I'm into so. I hope you have an opportunity to do so, Hector. Thank you for your time. Thank you. 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