Future AirPods could get heart rate sensors and noise cancellation (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 76)
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What's up everybody?
Welcome to the show, Episode 76 Extra Crunchy So Munchy.
I'm broadcasting from a secret tavern, a secret location somewhere in the southern California area.
Beachum, you're in the home base, the mother ship.
I'm in the Giant Bomb studio in San Francisco.
And next week, actually the week after we move back up to our regular studio and cannot wait.
Man, we have been in a makeshift situation for how long now, at least six months?
Feels like six months yeah.
I think it's been like four or five maybe.
So people that have been watching, they haven't seen the full breadth.
Of what we can do on the show.
We got graphics, we got everything, phone call.
So again this is Apple [UNKNOWN] it's the audio podcast, a complementary piece to our weekly five minute video show.
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Tell us your name, where you're from, your comments, your good apples, your bad apples, or maybe help us out, help out the other viewers that are a part of this show, or listeners, to learn more.
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So let's just jump into it.
First things first, the new 10.5 inch iPad that has been rumored over and over.
It is expected to be announced at an Apple event in early April.
We have seen in the past Apple events around the Kinda March timeframe, but this new report is out, we will see it sometime early in April, that's according to our friends at DigiTimes.
In addition to that, this 10.5-inch iPad will be roughly the same size as the 9.7-inch iPad.
What makes it different is that it's gonna gain that 0.08 inches of size, of length of strength.
Why are you laughing.
Size matters baby.
It'll be around the same form factor but you'll get 0.8 inches of screen size additional because the bezels are expected to be pushed all the way out to the sides making it a larger screen but around the same form factor which is nice.
The reports also say that we will see updates to the 9.7 inch iPad, the current 9.7 inch iPad Pro And the 12.9 inch iPad Pro.
My baby, my favorite one, the 12.9.
But again, these updates most likely won't be big, massive changes.
All indications point to that.
At least the 9.7 inch iPad Pro will just be a minor upgrade over the current model.
So we're talking about the A10X chip in the 9.7 inch iPad Pro It'll give it a speed boost, a performance boost but that might be all.
Also, if we're talking about the 12.9 inch, you better get a two tone display.
That's what's on but, Tim Cook in the earnings report outright said, Apple is not working on anything like a hybrid OS.
He said, he feels that the iPad is different than the Mac one.
And that although the iPad Pro line will do more, he still thinks that the Mac line will do a lot more.
Therefore, everyone that is hoping for a hybrid OS like I'm hoping for anything that gives us some level of Surface like functionality and integration.
We're not gonna see it so->> That's a bummer, man.
It's just not going to be as feature rich.
It's going to be IOS still on a tablet and I can tell you right now it still feels super limited.
They gotta do something quick because my kids they hate my Macbook.
Like they are like, ew I don't like it.
I can't touch the screen.
They don't like it.
So I mean like the iPad, we love the iPad.
They just use the iPad all day.
When it comes to my Macbook, they're like, "I want your other computer, Daddy." Cause they don't like the Macbook.
So, that's something that Apple needs to think about, you know.
I, I just think in their DNA, what they've shown us is that they don't want to do that.
They aren't willing to do that.
And so, I, to me, if they can't do that, it feels like the iPad line specifically has almost reached a point where It can only do so much now if you're not gonna update the OS.
There's no [UNKNOWN] OS on it, or even a hybrid OS.
And it's going to limit what it can do.
For someone like me, I'm a specific use case.
I'm not gonna say everyone should go out and buy a 12.9 inch iPad.
But if you love reading comics.
And you wanna drop that cheddar, it's worth it.
Drop the cheddar.
If you want to read comics on an iPad Pro you can get a refurbished entry level one for $649.00.
Just til the new ones come out.
The first gen will be way cheaper.
You've got a full tablet that where magazines look true to size, comics look great.
If I was a smart person, I probably would've waited, but I've got to get [INAUDIBLE] on.
Games look really great too, I mean.
There's a lot of awesome games on the iPad.
But when you were talking about the new updates to the next iPad, which is just kind of like.
Slightly, tiny bit bigger.
And a better chip, that doesn't seem like a big selling point, you know what I mean?
TD, TD display.
You want TD's on your hut hut pro.
I'll take that.
So again we'll see what happens, but for people saying that apple will eventually catch up, the surface pro product has been out I feel like for at least three years now.
Maybe even four years.
And it's gone to a point where now as the industry has evolved it can do so much more but it's like the iPad feels like it's in the past honestly, it just really does.
Yeah, yeah it feels like.
It feels like it's stuck in the past.
And so I've got my boy on periscope Wow, Monty saying, iOS will catch up.
Well, if there was any time to catch up, this would be the year.
But again, Tim Cook said, not gonna happen.
So we'll see if you wanna align when Apple's going to actually do this keynote.
Early April is the indication.
If you look at Apple's headquarters, they also have that Steve Jobs Theatre, that really nice amphitheatre.
It's still not even close to being done, so my hunch is if they do any type of announcement, it'll be in their, I know they want to say, they said the last keynote was their last one in the auditorium, so maybe they're just gonna speed, what is it, fast track the new Steve Jobs auditorium to get done so they can do this iPad announcement there, we'll see.
That would be cool, man.
[CROSSTALK] I know.
It used to be a bigger deal, but we'll see about that.
Okay, so, we've talked about iPads.
Also in more iPad news, according to [UNKNOWN] Analytics.
They basically can pull internet traffic data and see what activity is happening.
What's going on?
They were able to identify four new iPads that were spotted in their analytics, likely to be the new iPad Pro devices that Apple is currently testing.
When Apple has the devices, their model identifiers associated with it Fiksu saw iPad7.1, 7.2, 7.3, and 7.4.
The current iPad line identifiers start as iPad 6.
So clearly they're testing this Fiksu since they've picked up about 40 devices that are being used with these new identifiers.
This is about the same number of devices they've seen typically about a month before apple launches a new product, so That aligns as well with some sort of an April release.
The other aspect that I found kind of interesting but it obviously makes sense is that these new iPads that were found or discovered were not only running iOS 10.3, some of them were running iOS 11.
Sneaky, sneaky beachy.
So again, everything is lining up that we'll see these in April.
But that's just a little bit of more meat for y'all to chew on about the iPads.
Also Apple continues to roll out their iOS and MacOS betas.
The seventh beta for both iOS 10.3.
And Steven I'm just gonna let you say the 7th Beta for our next guy.
Who is he?
Ma Sierra.>>10.12.4 of the 7th Betas are both of those have released to developers.
Again, they feature a 10.3 as find my airpods.
We're also getting like a podcast app widget.
At least in the MAC OS 10.12.4 beta, the big new feature at least that will be coming out is Night Shift finally coming to the Mac.
And just on a random side note, I like when people tweet me that they're talking to Apple support and they actually call Mac OS, like they outwardly accidentally call it MACOS.
I think we've really done our job.
Yeah, good job man.
[LAUGH] Good job man.
Beach/ did you get a chance to see this resent Apple commercial that's called Stickerfight?
I haven't actually.
I saw something scrolling pass, but I didn't go to click on it.
DIdn't look too interesting.
Is that like an AR thing, like an augmented reality thing?
No, I'm gonna have you pull it up.
This link that I put in the show.
It's a video that's just touting their stickers.
Feature, it's messages.
They just, kinda like-
Excited about stickers?
I'm just telling you.
There's a nugget in there, okay?
I'm trying to get to something, so If you can play the video for people that are watching-
I'm playing it.
About 20 seconds in there's a scene where there's a guy who slaps a caterpillar on like some waffles.
Now, when you get to that, or whether you time jump it, I'm gonna tell people-
There it is right there.
To look at it.
Do you want me to rewind it?
if you paused it, if you somehow paused it on that scene where the waffles are
If you look to the left of the waffles-
There's a phone.
There's a phone, but look at it very carefully.
I want you to tell me, Beach, what color do you think that is?
It's like a matte white.
Doesn't that look white?
Yeah, it's like a matte white color and it has a weird camera lens on it, too, that I haven't seen.
That's an iPhone 7 Pro.
To me, sorry, plus.
My brain's all over the place.
That's an iPhone 7+.
That is white.
If you look at the lens, that's a dual lens.
And everyone's like maybe it's a silver one.
And it's a reflection.
If you look at the top of that image, there's a knife on that shot.
That's what silver looks like.
So the phone to me without a doubt, that is a white phone.
I can't, and even if it was a current iPhone 7 that was silver like people are saying, it might be.
The edges of it, the corners typically have these antenna lines.
It also kinda has that.
iPhone 4 look, which.
Which goes along with the rumors that have been like, it's gonna look more like an iPhone 4.
It's kinda square?
So I'm just saying.
Good, good observations here, Bryan.
I'm just starting.
I'm honestly just starting up a rumor, okay?
That's all we're trying to do.
This is pretty amazing.
I have to screen shot this for the.
[LAUGH] For our headline, our promotional image.
I'm just saying is that the white iPhone?
But take a look at that.
If you guys and gals listening can check it out, take a look at it and let us know what you think.
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You guys ready for this, first signs of the next gen Apple TV.
Running TVOS11 reportedly appears in developers log, this is according to the co-founder of Fiery Games, they have an IOS and TVOS gaming company but they saw That a tvOS 11 device carrying the identifier Apple TV 6.2 appeared in their usage logs.
The current Apple TV identifier is 5.3, so obviously this is some sort of new hardware.
The IP address that this came from was within close proximity to Apple headquarters Obviously Apple has not released any information about a new Apple TV yet but Bloomberg had reported earlier that a 4K model could come as early as this year.
A 4 came out that should have happened last year.
A model that should have allowed us to stream or toss our 4K video from our phone to our TV set, like at least.
Like, let's promote a 4K phone on your iPhone.
But you can't watch it anywhere except on your phones.
Like dude, come on, Apple.
To me that was a no-brainer but hey, a year and a half later, that's cool.
So either way, the 4K Apple TV that we're expecting to possibly see this year.
Looks like at least new hardware for it has been spotted in the wild and we'll see how that all shakes out as well.
Do you have a current Apple TV?
I don't, I have a Roku and a Chromecast.
So I would be down with Apple TV.
Well, I want people to call in and let us know really
You know I think the Apple TV product is an interesting one from a standpoint is it just hasn't delivered enough like if you're in the eco system your all good, but for our listeners Apple by Nation, if you guys and gals can call us, lets talk about it 1-800-616-2638.
What is it really that you wanna see from the Apple TV, is it actually just 4K, I think that they should remove the requirement to all games that are on the Apple TV have to work with the standard Apple remote, all right, that's a requirement.
So that instantly limits the type of game that are being developed for it.
It's a bummer.
Like that's kind of lame and then the biggest let down right, no TV streaming service that should have been exclusive to the Apple TV, that's not happening either but
What is it that you wish or want the Apple TV to do that would actually make you buy it, if you haven't already?
And then if everyone says, yeah, I already bought it, okay, fine.
Well, then that.
That kills the whole conversation, right?
So Apple TV.
Talk to us.
Let's hear what you gotta say.
We're gonna jump over to the AirPods, and I thought this was actually really cool.
Pretty interesting stuff coming out.
From the Apple camp.
If you go checkout Patently Apple, Apple has been granted patents for an earbud design with biometric features, including improved noise cancellation.
So we know the first-gen AirPods, I think super convenient, love how they work wirelessly.
They have little to no functionality, unless you use your phone.
To control them.
But if you don't care about how they look on you and if they actually fit your ear, I think you're gonna love it.
And I would say most people that have AirPods really like them.
What do you think about that, Beech?
I think that's awesome.
I definitely want a pair, but like I said before, they're just too expensive.
And if there's more functionality, that's great.
They do kinda look silly but that's fine.
I'll probably get over it but a lot of people have been calling us also saying that we forget about the Apple watch.
You can control the IR pods with your Apple watch too.
Like control your phone and what's playing and stuff like that.
So we got a lot of calls about that.
Yeah, I guess I forget about that because my Apple watch is never charged.
Look, my Apple watch,
I haven't charged it for how long as, [LAUGH] it's more of a fashion thing.
Yeah, but I mean.
A lot of people called us and were like you didn't mention the Apple Watch.
But, a lot of people don't own it and that's just another thing you have to buy to control your AirPods, to control your phone.
Yeah, who's gonna do that?
Yeah, so, I just wanna acknowledge that people are talking about that, but.
I would love to have some sort of wireless ear buds, cuz I'm tethered to my computer at my desk, and it's a pain in the ****.
Something tells me you're gonna get AirPods generation two.
Something just tells me [CROSSTALK].
If they're cheaper, if they're under $100, possibly.
But if they're still like 160, 1 Even like 120 is too expensive I feel.
I mean, that's Apple really sell a product like under $100 other than a headphone or a cable adapter that's like 30 or 40 bucks?
[LAUGH] So check this out, if we talk about
Some of these patents that make it interesting.
One of the first patents shows how a follow along with me, [UNKNOWN] or PPG this is a sensor that could be added to an ear bud that can track your biometrics.
So for example
There's this part of your ear called the tragus.
It's this front side of your like kind of closer to your cheek bone.
And if you touch it, it's that kind of little meaty part.
I'm gonna do a little human anatomy here right now.
That's your tragus right there, okay.
So what the patent would show is that this sensor would be close to like the exterior surface of the ear bud.
And most of the problems with the earbuds is that it doesn't make contact with an area that is deep enough, right?
Sure, there's earbuds that go deep into your ear but that's not what everyone wants.
So their idea is to put the sensor that allows it at least on the surface to touch the tragus Uh-huh.
And that would allow you to collect some of that biometric data.
So it could be thinking-
What sort of biometric data, like a heartbeat and stuff like that?
Yeah, heart rate [INAUDIBLE] EKG, temperature.
It'd be like, your ears are hot.
How do your ears-
So that's one of the patents to put that sensor in that location, right against your tragus.
I learned that today, and I'm gonna teach you tragus.
What is that, Beecham?
That's pretty good.
The little thing between your ear, that little thing that holds your ear bud in.
Can you show us your tragus right now?
There you go, there you go.
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
Ding, ding, ding.
What do I win?
I don't know.
You win respect.
Also another patent here we talk about the noise cancellation.
They're saying that they could arrange three microphones in a triangular configuration to improve the noise cancellation features for the Air pods.
We know that they don't have any noise cancellation whatsoever.
So these are two patents specifically to the air pods or at least to ear buds.
But come on let's be honest, these are gonna be implemented hopefully into air pods.
But like all patents it doesn't mean that they're actually going to do it.
But it's what they're thinking.
They need to bring more features to the air pods that's all I'm saying.
But I do think It's pretty bad **** first gen product.
I was lukewarm on them, I still have to diss them for their functionality, but they are very convenient, like they're a really good product.
They're not a great product, but they're really, really, really good, there's like almost there.
So for people that say I hate on Apple, you're wrong.
Yeah, love, hate.
People that haven't used them are the ones that criticized them the most.
I'm like have you ever tried them?
They're like no.
I'm like get out of here.
If they sound anything like regular AirPods and I'm happy, cuz those sounds great-
They disliked them that sounds like them.
Yeah, cuz they sound great.
I have no complaints for the quality.
They sound just like them.
All right, let's, we're not gonna bore you too much, but let's just spill through some real quick hits of iPhone rumors and whatnot.
Because come on, we always have to talk about the iPhone 8 six months ahead of time.
According to the [UNKNOWN] Asian review
They're reporting how Apple's plans to implement their rumored curved OLED display on the new iPhone.
This is literally the report.
The display curves will be gentler than Samsung's, and offer no new functions.
[LAUGH] So gentler means like a little less, not as severe, right?
That what that means?
That's all you got.
Gentler curves on Apple display.
They also didn't say there will be no new functionality so some of the past Samsung products like on the Samsung Edge, there was some functionality that you could use to access contacts and things of that nature.
There's gonna be no functionality on the curved edge as well.
They just wanted to make that clear to us, so.
I see, okay.
Yeah, and then another follow up.
Because Apple is ramped up for these new iPhones and the big talk is about how they're gonna be using OLED screens.
Apple is estimated to grab.
14% of OLED panel production in 2017 specifically for the iPhone 8 where is that rank obviously big have their orders directly line up with Samsung.
Apple will be making 15% of the total annual OLED production.
Samsung will get about 56% of that and then you have other manufacturers.
Again to remind you the only OLED screen that were expecting to see Is in this kind of premium iPhone 8 potential 5.8 inch phone.
While the other two will stay with their standard sizes and stick with that LCD based screens.
Cool, 14% seems like a small number.
You know, what it comes down to is there's not too many OLED screen producers.
That's probably the biggest limiting factor.
You have all these other companies that might want to jump on the bandwagon to do more OLED stuff.
But they can't because although Apple's locked up I think something like 75 million OLED displays, at least for this year, they have future contracts which total 160 million OLED panels directly through Samsung.
So they're jumping all in, and I'm just curious to see how many, if they're really only putting this [UNKNOWN] screen on an a 5.8 inch iPhone, I think a lot of people are just gonna end up buying it, even though I don't want a 5.8 inch phone, I don't want one.
It's too big.
If it's the iPhone that has all the bells and whistles, I'm gonna do it.
You gotta do it, you're Bryan Tom.
You gotta have the latest Apple stuff.
But I didn't buy an iPhone seven plus, I didn't.
I let other people do their [UNKNOWN] effect.
This one's actually really good.
Apple Care Plus can now be purchased up to one year after buying an iPhone.
So for a lot of you, every time you buy an iPhone, they're like, would you like to buy Apple Care?
And then you say, no, I don't want to.
[LAUGH] I don't wanna pay an extra 100 bucks.
I actually, quite honestly, buy Apple Care on everything I get.
Just because it's helped me out.
And then when I need to go into service I'm like look at my history.
I've always purchased Apple Care, so they've kind of done a few things for me that maybe they normally wouldn't.
It's probably also because I slipped them a $20 bill.
No, I didn't.
But here you go, before 60 days was the window of time you could buy Apple Care.
That extended your coverage for a phone, but now you can do it up to a year.
This is only to the phone right now.
Things like the iPad, iPod Touch, and Apple Watch, you can still only purchase it within 60 days to get that extended coverage, which extends the coverage to two years total.
Is this something you can buy online?>> Yeah you can.
LIke you can buy AppleCare online?
So like, so technically you can break your iPhone like day five of owing it and then be like **** I better go buy AppleCare online.
Go buy AppleCare then take it and get it fixed.
Yes, exactly, but I think if I recall right, when you know you do any type of swap out for a phone or screen repair
There are fees associated with it.
I know there's something like a $30 fee or so when you break your screen, but even if let's say your phone just got nuked or something, I think you don't, to replace the phone is something like $100 or $150 to do any other type of damage replacement.
usually do that for free like any software issues or.
Well, yes they should but technically you only have like 90 days of complementary support and a limited one year warranty.
Like it's not a full, a full coverage.
Apple care for the most part basically gives you full coverage and again you will still pay some fees to get them, something service.
But it's not like you have to replace the whole phone.
But again nothing in the on, does not, the extension is only applied, the one year extension only applies to the iPhone not the iPod Touch, not the iPad or Apple watch stuff so.
Okay, let's wrap this bad boy up kind of like in a final story here.
Apple-1, did you see this article at all?
No, I'm looking at it now though, looks fun.
So an Apple-1 is going up for option, this original, the OG Apple-1, right?
This is Wozniak and Steve Jobs, it's really the product that started the company It's going to be placed up for auction by a German auctioneer.
It is an actual functioning Apple 1. It has all the manuals.
It has the original receipts.
So and there's only supposedly, allegedly In the world.
Only eight of these that actually work, right?
You'll have ones that are all beat up that were in like someone's corner of their garage.
This is the like the dude who bought it and has bought every computer and saved every computer in the original packaging in hopes to get rich, right?
This dude is gonna get rich.
This is almost the equivalent of Edison's first telephone, right?
I feel like it is, or like the Wright brother's first airplane.
I swear to God, this is the equivalent of that.
Dude, that's funny.
Let's get even more extreme.
This is like, the first car by Henry Ford.
You're not kidding, this is like a paradigm shift happening right here.
[LAUGH] It's expected to fetch over $320 thousand.
So I hope to God it just goes straight to like a museum somewhere.
You know what I mean?
Like it shouldn't be like some private collector's house.
Needs to be on display I feel.
It could be, maybe it's a rich person who buys it to put it on display and brag that they have it.
You know how there's people like that?
[LAUGH] I hate that.
Basically, rich guys who brag that they're even more rich.
They have like a priceless work of art in their house where only like two people are looking at it every day or something.
Yeah, let me give you a little perspective before we wrap up.
Last year, a rare Apple I celebration model.
So think of like kind of a limited version of this Fetched $815,000 in an auction.
2014 working Apple 1 was auctioned for $365,000 and then one signed by Wozniak went for $671,000.
That's pretty awesome.
That's pretty wild.
So there you go.
If you got the cash, you're gonna be that rich dude that shows off in the museum Go buy it.
All right, should we get to our phone calls?
Let's do it, we got phone calls.
Again, if you guys want to be a part of the show, the phone number to call is 1-800-616-2638.
I got some music playing, let me stop that.
Okay, here we go guys, first call Yes, this is Nick from Alameda again.
Hey, I just want to let you guys know that there is another option to the home run HD.
That is the Tableau, which runs about the same and cost.
But the cool thing about the Tableau is it does have DVR function.
What you do is you plug in any old hard drive that you may have lying around your house.
Plug it into the Tablo unit and it streams to all your devices and to your main television via an Apple TV App.
And also I go with direct TV now because direct TV now has app finance for a whole bunch of teachers.
Juicy junior dis in XD and staff like that.
So to also come into direct TV now in tablor so it's connected via apple TV Cool.
So I don't, I think the only thing that Nick didn't clarify is if he was signing it to Disney shows for himself.
Yeah, that was my first question was like he's have a.
No, no, no, I mean, I think I wanted to know is
[UNKNOWN] kids or not.
That's what I'm-
So he's watching all the Disney content?
What am I trying to get at?
Is he watching Mickey's Roadster Racers by himself at home?
Dude, I didn't even know that show exists, bro.
What is that?
[LAUGH] It's Mickey's Roadster Racers.
They drive roadsters and race.
I mean, you don't know about that show?
So you're saying it does exactly what the title [CROSSTALK].
No, but Nick.
I love that he called.
And he's not the only one that called and was like, yo, bro.
Yeah, we had a bunch of them, actually.
A bunch of people.
[UNKNOWN] Check it out.
So I did not get the [UNKNOWN] product, but I do like the fact that you can just plug in a hard drive directly to it.
I know that with the Home Run HD.
They are getting DVR functionality but you would have to connect the hard drive as like a NAT storage.
But it sounds like with TiVo you can just connect it directly to the unit.
And then I looked online and I saw the TiVo has two tuners for their $200 priced one.
But if you want four tuners, so four people can be watching programming at different channels at the same time It's $300 so it's a pretty cool thing.
So thank you, when I called because that's what it's all about.
Educating us, educating other listeners.
So I'm down with that.
I'm gonna check it out because I'm still shopping.
Shopping and cut the cord, man.
Let me get to it.
Here we go.
Yeah, hey guys, this is Nate calling from Dubai and United Arab Emirates.
Got a quick question for you Jeff, about the next 802.11 WiFi standard ad.
What's the likeliness of us seeing that in the next gen iPhone?
Good work but.
So here's what I think about [UNKNOWN] to 11 AD.
I think the biggest thing about it if you guys read up on it, it does have faster bandwidth through put.
So you can get gigs of data shot through AD but the biggest [UNKNOWN] about it It is a really short distance.
So, it's not like you can be across your house and get 80 speeds, like we even know with A211C, you can be, I think if I'm right, someone is gonna be mad for this, I think it's around, is it like 20 to 30 foot like straight side to really get those higher, faster speeds?
Even when you're going through walls it's just not going to be as effective.
Well, AD, although it gives you those faster speed, it's a real short range access point.
So it's almost like you would need to have it in your living and be within like five to ten feet of it, quite honestly.
It's not going to be something that can be used, can be widely used everywhere.
So I think that's gonna be the biggest limitation of it.
We For the Apple to implement that, I think Apple is always being slower to adopt standards until they really become a thing.
Although, if you rewind Apple brought wireless internet before anyone was really pushing it that hard with the original airport bases and look like that cool silver UFO.>> Yeah.
Really pushed wireless internet before it was even a thing.
So but I just based on the reading the limitation of [UNKNOWN], I don't, it just doesn't seem like [UNKNOWN] Apple would be like, all right, we've got to put AD in here, the other thing is right, not only that you have to wait [UNKNOWN] jump on the standard with more routers It's just not very prevalent right now.
So my hunch is that we would not see it in the next iPhone.
I could be wrong, but just knowing how Apple thinks, and how they have behaved historically I don't expect it.
But maybe, maybe not.
Yeah I remember the first wireless device I ever used was a Mac.
It was like a real old school Macbook or something in like the early 2000s.
I was like what?
This is on the internet.
It's not connected to anything.
Okay, let's go to the next call.
Here we go.
Hey, I was just wondering if you could answer this one question.
Do you think Apple's desire to corner every bit of the market has eclipsed the desire to actually innovate?
Right now, Apple is just basically catching up with Android, and they really aren't creating their own.
internet, thank you.
We got a smart caller right there.
Young buck who's like, Apple's not innovative, what are they doing?
I would say this, Apple's most innovative product last year quite honestly were the Airpods.
The double one ship was the most innovative product.
And I think that the W1 ship itself is going to be able to do a lot of things really important.
I know it's not like a computer.
I know it's not like an actual new device.
And I don't necessarily think we need ew devices all the time but that was that is one of there kind of innovative temples of 2016.
All though it feels like wait that's all you got in here Fine that's all they got.
But if you look at how Apple's operating now, their customer base is so large, it was all about trapping, I will use the word trap slash, keeping people in their ecosystem.
There's a lot of us including myself that, when faced with certain decisions, you choose to buy an Apple product knowing that it works with the ecosystem of everything else you buy.
And that's its biggest holdup.
Everyone is talking about the iPhone.
What's the thing that kept most people in the iPhone world, even when they wanted to look at Android?
The fact that the apps typically.
But we come out first.
Sure, its ease of use but its tossing content from there to your Apple TV blah, blah, blah all those little bells and whistles you get just by being in an ecosystem that makes a difference.
So, they've kind of rested on those laurels they built a huge base.
If you look at the iPhone adoption rate.
It's maybe iPhones aren't selling as much as they used to.
When you talk about a new iPhone, but I think the iPhone 8 will be.
And it has happened over the past few years.
Each new iPhone model has still been the top-selling number of iPhone units that they've done.
And I don't think it's gonna slow down any time soon.
They keep on hitting record iPhone sales numbers.
When I say that it's slowed down different quarters, it isn't as big as it used to be cuz yes, the market is maturing.
But if you look at the overall total of phones being sold over the life of the product, there will be more iPhone 8's sold than any other one.
So as a business person They're innovating, but a lot slower because they have the market and that's sometimes what happens to the big machines.
You definitely wanna keep your fan base happy.
I think what it is is they could do so much more but they're so spread then now they have too many products.
I just don't think they have enough focus to be like let's make this great product.
Instead it's like we'll have some guys here, we'll have some guys on the Apple Watch.
Yeah we got this Apple TV there.
We got some guys on the Mac.
Yeah we took everyone off the Mac Pro team that's why you haven't seen it in three plus years They're doing too many things now.
We have three models of the iPhone coming out, we have three models of the iPad coming out, I mean come on.
There were stories similar to what you're saying about the Apple car.
We had a big team in Germany working on the Apple car, and then all the sudden that's not happening So yeah, it's quickly changing.
Now we have a big group of people working on augmented reality glasses for Apple, you know.
[LAUGH] So who knows where they're going man.
So it remains to be seen, and I think that's sometimes what people mix up, is that being innovative doesn't always mean you have to sell the most units of something.
So for example I think the Surface Pro is the best hybrid product out there.
It doesn't sell the most, but that doesn't mean it's not innovative.
Remember that Microsoft Surface Studio, basically that touch-screen iMac that turns into an art tablet?
Look I don't even know anyone who has that yet.
But as a proof of concept first gen, just wait til gen two, gen three, I think more people are gonna buy it.
Is it gonna outsell the iMac?
Probably not but it is the most innovative desktop we've seen in a long time.
Yeah, I do have pro video people asking me advice for what should I do for editing and what should I do for a computer?
And I say, iMac and Premiere.
It's like still iMac has probably the best screen you could get and so you can still say that they're building stuff for pro people.
We have one more call.
This is Jack from [UNKNOWN], Illinois.
I was just calling.
Couple days ago I had a issue with my iPhone where it froze up whenever I powered off and I powered it back on.
And it froze on me at the logo.
So I had to take it in to Simply Mac, which is a Apple.
Retail specialist and they had pretty much restart my iPhone as if it was a new iPhone.
Thankfully I had all my stuff backed up to iCloud, so I didn't lose any of my information really.
I just had to go and.
Reinstall my apps and such.
But I think Apple deserves a very, rotten bad apple for not fixing this issue and hopefully they do fix it.
Thanks for the show, bye.
We got some of those.
But here's the question [UNKNOWN] He was able to get all his apps and stuff back on it right?
Yeah it just sounds like a big pain in the **** though.
It is a pain in the **** but man it would have been a real bad Apple if he couldn't even get that back so.
Yeah if he lost everything.
Then I'd be like.
All right so I think that's gonna do it for this week man.
That's it, we're done.
Are we gonna be in the new studio?
Maybe the week after next week.
Yeah, the week after.
Next week we still have one more week in the dungeon and then we're back.
I like that.
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That's gonna wrap it up for this week.
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