Focusing on camera phone featuresThere are a lot of great and not so great camera phones out for this holiday shopping season. CNET Editor Kent German will let you know what key features to look out for to help you parse the good from the bad.
[ music ] ^M00:00:07 >> All right, good afternoon guys. Welcome to Editor's Office Hours. I'm Brian Tong. Here with me is senior editor, Kent German. How's it going - >> Hi Brian. >> Doing good? All right, excellent. We're here today to answer all things cell phone. Kent's also been focusing on some, brought some cameras [inaudible] the ability to take pictures and the quality. >> Yes, high end camera phones. >> High end camera phones. So we have that. We know this is all about you guys, so below us there is a live chat that you guys can interact with each other. And over here on the right hand corner we have a submit question box to participate, and really allow us to help you. Pop in your questions, you just need to create a CNET account, username and password, and an email, and send them away to us. And Kent, I guess we could kind of get things started. >> Sure. >> What did you bring for us, and maybe talk about some of the toys you got over here. >> Well I brought a few phones. One is the Motorola ZN5, which is a phone that is with T-Mobile. And last week it beat the Sony Eriksson C902 in a Prize Fight. >> Oh look out. >> Five mega pixel camera phone, it's actually designed in partnership with Kodak. They wouldn't tell me exactly what Kodak did, but they said they had a hand in the design and the, not the design overall of the phone, but at least the design, the inner workings of it. So it has a nice little camera, very powerful and fantastic photo quality, really, really like it. So you just slide down the thing like that. >> Slide down the lens. >> Slide down the lens, and looks like the camera from behind, has a nice flash, and had a lot of features in it. Some of the lower light, it didn't, some of the photos in lower light conditions didn't come out so well. But the great thing about it, it actually has Wi-Fi. So if you have a Kodak photo gallery, which is formerly o-Photo, if you have one of those accounts, and you really should cause it's a great service, you can press a button, and using Wi-Fi, or even the cellular service, you can upload - >> Really just wirelessly upload the photos, that's pretty sweet. >> Automatically, yeah. >> And then the candy bar shaped phone, even just looking at the screen when you open up the lens, the quality of the actual image through that screen looks really clean. >> Yeah, it does. It's nice because you don't have to, it's not a flip phone, so you don't have to fold it open and kind of look at it a weird way. It just, it has the ergonomics of the camera, cause the shutter button's right here, the zoom is right here on the top, so - >> Nice. >> It just works really well. >> Mm-hmm, okay. >> So I brought this one, and actually this one next week in a Prize Fight will face the Samsung Innovate [assumed spelling]. >> And these are kind of the two top dogs really that you're pitting against each other. >> Yeah, a couple right now, yeah. The innovate is eight mega pixel camera phone, can you believe that? >> That's ridiculous. >> A couple years ago it was one point three, and then it got to two, and then it got to three point two, and five, and now it's eight. This isn't offered by a U.S. carrier, it's unlocked, but it is a pretty great camera phone. Flash wasn't so great, but just look behind, if you look like that. You have to, unfortunately I can't - >> There's like an actual like camera lens on the back of this guy. >> Yeah, so I need to unlock it, here we go, and unlock that. Press the button right there, and it actually looks like a real camera from behind, so pretty cool. >> That's excellent. >> So we'll face this one, and then the other one is a phone that actually we posted a review of yesterday. This is the Samsung Behold. >> Mm-hmm. >> I don't know, I don't get the names either. [ laughter ] Samsung's coming out with a Gravity too, and I'm like Gravity? >> They're just trying to come out with catchy names, they just want it to be cool. >> And this is a five mega pixel camera phone, so pretty good photo quality as well. So really it's all about camera phones these days. And we kind of saw that for a while, and then it kind of got about music phones, and then the camera phones seem to be picking up again, so. >> Now do you think, what do you think is attributing to this whole camera phenomena, the fact that all this social network and stuff, people want to know about what people are doing, wherever they go. >> Yeah. >> What do you think is really behind it, from what you've seen. >> Well I think there is that, I mean I think there's also the idea of the conversions that we've always had, just for so long that the camera, you know, they didn't produce great shots, and it was so hard to get the photos off the phone. You could only message them, or you could only send them with a multimedia message, you know, which costs money. Now you can just plug the phone in with a USB cable and it works, and you can get them off. And I think there is that you know, you can upload them to blogs, to Face book, and to all of that business very quickly, so that is really nice. >> That's really cool. Because I mean currently with my phone the camera is not that hot. >> Yeah. >> So I want a better camera on that. Okay, so let's just start attacking some of these questions. We'll start off with this first one. This is from, and I'm not sure if it'll show up on your screen or not. But this one is from MarioAlvarez. And MarioAlvarez asks us, I use the Sony Eriksson K800i. can you recommend a camera phone that can one, switch on instantly, shoot better, focus while driving, while driving, that could be tricky, and shoot some good quality video. Thanks again, Mario, this is from Kuwait City. >> I know. >> Kuwait. >> We have a long ways away. >> All the way, thanks for coming in first of all. Do you have any of the top of your head, maybe some camera phones that do some of those things pretty decently? >> Yeah, you know I think [inaudible] with the K800i, so that means you're on DSM of course, so you have a lot more options really than if you were on CDMA. And it probably up in Kuwait you're not using, I don't know about your carrier situation, so it would be hard to tell you well here's a phone for your carrier. But I think any of the phones I just showed you, especially that Motorola ZN5 and that Samsung Innovate, and any of the Sony Eriksson Cybershot models actually. They used to have a K in front of them, now they have a C, we just saw the C902. There's a C702 as well, so I think any of those are really good. I think with the video, that's gonna be hit or miss. Video is still something that's not perfected. You know, they take photos well, but they're just not really equipped to handle you know, the really quick movements, and that's a little tricky. But as far as shooting great photos and switching on instantly, there are a few that do that. The Innovate does, the ZN5 does, and some of the Sony Eriksson do as well. >> And it's also kind of like you said, as phones have evolved, first it was like about music players, now it's about like you know, still camera. And even when you're talking about dedicated still cameras that shoot video, they even on that end just for a digital camera hasn't been able to really perfect video and stills yet. >> Yeah. >> So, and when you kind of bring that technology over to the phone world, it's still a ways away before now we get really great video on top of really great camera pictures. >> Yeah. One of my stand alone cameras, it's a Kodak. It does decent video, but still, you need an actual camcorder to really make that great. >> Definitely. Okay, this next question is from KelSGR8. This question asks, hold on, I think it actually might show up, right up, every time I pop, there we go. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they'll show up there for you. Okay, hello guys, I have two questions. Have you tried the Verizon Blackberry Storm yet, also does Verizon's EZ navigator take into account changes to traffic patterns. >> Sure. I actually did the Storm, Verizon brought it by a while ago, and they let us touch it. And they didn't let us have it yet. I think, and then Bonnie, you know, our smart phone expert, she wrote a blog today that I think is coming out the twenty first. >> Yeah, correct, we knew about that. >> So that's good news, we've been waiting for that for a long time. From what I can tell, the Storm is, it looks really nice and has a great touch screen. One thing that was interesting is the Storm, and I forget exactly what they call this is that, I'll just demonstrate with this. But it has a touch screen of course, but when you press down on the touch screen, there's not the vibrating feedback, but actually the whole screen moves down so it kind of click, there's a click sound. It's a little weird, I didn't really understand it at first. I was using it and I didn't really realize what I was doing until they explained it to me. But it's interesting, it'll be interesting to see how it goes, over a long period of use. But it looks really cool, I think it's great. You know, everyone says oh iPhone killer, but I hate that term, iPhone killer. >> Yeah. >> It certainly has a lot of potential. >> Yeah, yeah. >> But looks pretty good. And Verizon's EZ navigator does the latest update, which I think is four, does traffic, if I remember right. >> Mm-hmm. And also the whole term iPhone killer, it's not like the iPhone, it doesn't have all the features that other phones have. >> Yeah. Well I think it implies that the iPhone is a standard that will never be reached. >> Yeah. >> I just don't think that's the case. It's always gonna be, the iPhone's always gonna be in a class over by itself, and you may have phones that do a great job, and compete with it well, but it's never gonna go away. I mean it's never gonna be killed. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So to speak. >> Okay. This next question is from Sean1190, and Sean1190 asks I just wanted to know if you can zoom on the iPhone's camera, and yes Brian, I am back again today. Sean's been here I think like three days in a row. >> Oh really? >> I know, he loves it here. >> He likes hanging. >> All right Sean, what's up? First of all, I was looking for some software apps for the iPhone that are at least official apps, if you have a phone that's not jail broken. I couldn't find some off the top of my head. If you have a jail broken phone though, there was an application called Snapture that you could check out that does allow zoom. But again, this will be a digital zoom, it won't be hardware zoom. So it's going to look pixilated, much like, in a lot of cell phone cameras before where you zoomed in, it would do kind of a fake digital zoom. >> Yeah, the only cameras with optical zoom you can get in Korea, and they don't have them here. The thing that's interesting about the iPhone and the camera is, it's actually something we were disappointed with it. And - >> Yeah, me too. >> In a way it kind of follows Apple's I think just simple way to do things, is they don't, they just take away all the functions that maybe complicate things in a way. >> Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. >> And what's funny though is that the Motorola Crave, and there's been a couple other phones we've seen recently that actually have removed a lot of camera editing features. Because they say that in their user testing they don't want them. And I'm hoping that's, I'm a little confused, cause I'm hoping that's not the case, that suddenly we're not really dummying down cameras and phones. >> Yeah, just like stripping them because - >> Yeah. >> - they haven't figured out the right way to really - >> Yeah, so - >> - execute that? >> Yeah, but as itself the iPhone does not have zoom, which is too bad. >> Now here's, I'm gonna try and show you this guys, but here's a camera attachment from a website called Slippery Brick. I'm gonna actually just pop it into the chat, so you guys maybe can click on the link. >> That is like the weirdest thing. >> If you want to see this, you asked for zoom on an iPhone. This is an actual lens attachment. I know it's far away, but you can see how big the iPhone is, and how big that nasty gnarly - >> Yeah. I mean just go out and get a regular camera phone. >> Dude, don't do that. >> Like seriously. >> It's so gross, okay. >> It looks like something you'd stick in your [inaudible]. >> Yeah, it looks like a mount, a dashboard mount. Okay so, but you asked for some solutions for zooming on your iPhone camera, and that's what we got for you. Okay, this question coming up is from Rev, and Rev asks us do Xenon flashes expend more or less battery life in comparison to LED flashes. I don't, I don't know about on camera phones. Do they actually use different types of flashes? >> Yeah, they definitely do. >> I'm not - >> And Xenon's best, that provides the best quality. And the thing with, the funny thing about the Innovate is it only has an LED flash. So those don't tend to be as powerful, and sometimes they can just sort of just, they don't really - >> The quality - >> - don't bring out the colors you know, when you have the flash. The, I don't, I don't know actually if [inaudible]. But my instinct would be to say no, only because you're using the flash for such a short amount of time, you know, when you use it, that I would say no, but it could be actually. >> Okay. And that's funny because the Innovate, it's an eight megapixel camera, but right off the top you said the flash wasn't that hot. >> Yeah. >> And which LED flash is a contributing factor to that? >> Yeah, that is, definitely. >> Okay, cool. This next question is coming up, I'm just taking them from bottom to top. This is from Rev again, we're just going through. Does it look like, from what insider info you may have, that the Samsung Innovate will be picked up by a U.S. carrier. >> Actually not that I know of, unfortunately. That's not something I hear that's coming. It is a little expensive, so, and I can't remember the price off the top of my head, I'll have to look it up while I'm talking. But I would say probably not. >> With some of you know, you have a lot of phones that are overseas, and obviously GSM is gonna be a little more compatible across the board. But what is it that holds back most of the time phones from overseas to really coming over. Is it just like contract agreement, or is there more behind that? >> It is, and I think that you, you have a really, and this is true in other places as well, but in the United States especially you have a really carrier dominated market. And the G1 and the iPhone are changing this a little bit. But this is you know, the concept for a long time has been the carriers say well this is what we want in a phone, this is what we don't want, and they control really how the phone is. And of course they don't really control how it looks, but what's in it they do. And especially too with Verizon and Bluetooth for such a long time. >> And even like Verizon with the Wi-Fi on their phones. >> Yeah. >> Most of them don't have it, so they [inaudible]. >> So, and you know, I don't actually, I don't know what sometimes goes in the philosophy of these, why we don't get these really fancy phones here. I think that the market in the U.S. was slower to develop with the fancy phones for just various reasons, cultural reasons. You know, the country's so big and there's so many carriers, and there's competing technologies. There's a lot of reasons. But it's getting a little better though, we are seeing some of the higher end phones come here. And of course we were the first to get the iPhone and the G1. So, or at least an android phone so you know, we're making up grounds. >> Okay, excellent. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna look through all the questions that we have. We have a video coming up for you about the Samsung Innovate. So come back in a couple minutes, and we will be right here. ^M00:12:45 [ music ] ^M00:12:49 >> Hi, I'm Kent German, senior editor here at CNET.com. Today we're taking a first look at a Samsung Innovate. This is an unlocked phone, it's GSM. The reason they call it the Innovate is because it's an eight mega pixel camera. Currently carriers in the U.S. top out at three point two mega pixel, and certainly this phone puts those to shame, has a lot of features, everything you might find on a stand alone camera except an optical zoom. And the only thing that we didn't like about the camera, is it does have just a dual LED flash, it's not a Xenon flash. So flash doesn't work so well in really dim situations. For all that functionality the phone is pretty compact, has a pretty slim profile, basic black color but pretty clean lines. So pretty appealing overall. Has a few control on the side, there's a volume rocker here which also functions as a zoom control for the camera. Here on this side there's a switch, it's a bit unique. You can change between three different things. You can change it to when you press this button it starts the camera, it starts the camcorder, or it starts the special feature where you can just cycle through your pictures. So that's a nice touch. As with a lot of camera phones, the back of the Innovate is designed to resemble a stand alone camera. You can see they have the lens way over here with the flash right above There is a lens cover. The only thing that we were a little disappointed though is that well you can hold the camera like this, and the shutter button is on top, the zoom control is down here at the bottom. Never seen a stand alone camera like that, certainly you'd get used to it over time, but I felt that Samsung could have put the volume rocker on this side, which of course is the zoom control, and just makes it a little easier to use. Navigation controls, mixed feelings about those. The toggle is raised above the surface of the phone, it's square, it's pretty big so it's easy to get there and grip. You can set these soft keys as shortcuts, you can also set the toggle as a shortcut. And these silver keys are dedicated shortcuts to the gallery, which is all your media, and the main menu. You can also activate a shortcut bar to appear on this screen, and when you do that, the toggle shortcuts disappear, and then you can maneuver around and get lots of shortcuts without even opening the main menu. The Innovate also offers an optical mouse, and what that is, is by sliding your finger up and down the okay button, you can actually move through menus side to side, or up and down. You can turn it off. I chose to turn it off most of the time, because just didn't think it added that much to the phone. Inside you'll find a real heavy load of features. There's Bluetooth, there's organizer features, there's all kinds of email, there's Wi-Fi, there's the camera, there's ISO, there's white balance. The phone came with things like Google and SGPS, and you can get maps, and really a lot of things on this phone. So the Innovate really goes a long way to combining a cell phone and a camera into one device, and doing it well. [ background music ] Should please pretty much anyone that's looking for a really powerful device with a lot of features. I'm Kent German, and this is the Samsung Innovate. ^M00:15:19 [ music ] ^M00:15:25 >> Okay guys, welcome back. So it's all about you today, that video, it was all you, and then you're here. >> Yes, I'm here. >> All right. Patgamer asked why is Kent so bad ass, but clearly, it's because he's, it's all about Kent today. He's here in out studio, he's doing his little first looks, he can do it all. So, we're gonna jump to some more questions. This one is from Rev again. He or she asks for the larger mega pixel camera phones coming out, do the faster rated micro SD cards make any difference in shot to shot recovery times? >> I wouldn't think so. I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think so. That'd be a great, I think if you asked about cameras in general, that would be a great questions, probably shoot to Lori Grunan, our camera expert over in New York. But, I'm not sure. >> Yeah, I don't know off the top of my head either. So, you can try her out and she's on Editor's Office Hours, probably around once every two weeks or so? So, just keep a look out for that. Next question is, this is from Pacgamer [assumed spelling] and Pacgamer asks us, with a lot of the new phones out there that have high mega pixels, do you see them ever replacing true cameras? >> I mean, probably not. I mean, probably never completely replacing. I think that a couple of things need to happen before you might make, if you were looking for a point and shoot, you know, I might buy the phone instead of the camera. I mean, they're never gonna replace like a DLSR or anything like that. But I think that they'd have to have optical zoom which is important. You know, people really want that because a digital zoom is just not the same. >> Yeah. >> You know, cause they're after the fact, so. And they still have to be able to get the pictures off the phone really easily, and that's definitely happening. That's getting a lot better, especially with this phone, this EN5. But those two things really happen and it will be pretty good. And, you know, if you can start controlling the, you know, if you can start maybe doing ISO shutter speed, oh you can do ISO, I'm sorry, I mean shutter speed aperture and things like that. >> Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And like, with an eight mega pixel camera like the Samsung Innovate, I mean that's going in the direction of what, you know, point issued cameras are at right now. >> Yeah. >> So it's on the cusp but they still have some more work to do with that before you just go and make it your dedicated camera. Okay, here's the next question. It's from EngineerChick. What's up engineer chick? Hi, Kent and Brian. Any rumors yet as to what the next android two point oh phone will be for T-Mobile, and when it will be available? So have you heard any rumblings? Companies at least that are working on the technology? >> We know Motorola and LG are. We don't know what they're gonna look like. T-Mobile is a like carrier, but remember, that Sprint and I think AT and T too, and even Verizon. Verizon said I think it's interested in the open handset alliance. It could go anywhere, actually. Well Sprint last, a couple of weeks ago said that it's not good enough yet for, their android is not good enough for them which, my thing is Sprint actually needs something like androids, but that's a whole other story. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> But I, it could be, sorry Motorola or LG, so we'll see. But as far as whether they'll come to T-Mobile, I'm not really sure yet. >> Okay, now I'm gonna jump up to this question because it is relevant, and we've had a lot of people here talk about the G1 but we've never heard kind of your impressions overall about the G1. What do you think of it overall, the phone and the direction it's going? >> You know, I'm really excited about the G1, and for a couple of reasons. I didn't review it, Bonnie and Nicole reviewed that and I think a lot of their complaints were very accurate, you know. Design isn't that great. It's, you know, it's kind of a dull design, there's the ped set jack and the stereo Bluetooth, you know, and all of those things are very, very true. But I think that what's really exciting about it is it's changing the relationship between carriers and manufacturers that we're seeing in the cell phone world. So you had Apple come along and they brought the iPhone, and for a long time carriers controlled what was gonna go on the phone. And suddenly, Apple's controlling the phone. Which, so, a new party's controlling it but it's still total control. But with the G1 marketplace for instance, which is the you know, where they do all the apps, all you have to do is you have to sign up, you have to agree to terms of service. You don't have to submit an app, it's sort of like for review and say here's my [inaudible] >> To get it approved. >> Yeah, you don't have to do that. And then once you're in there, the only reason you can be kicked out is if you do something malicious, and the only reason you're gonna be called out on that is if other members of the community call you out, and then teenage Google goes and reviews you, and then kicks you out. So it's real exciting because means neither Google, HTC, or T-Mobile are controlling what's going on the phone. And so that's why I really like the potential of that because it's getting consumers a lot more control over what goes on their phone, how they use it, and they don't have to go to the carrier or the manufacturer to sort of get approval for what they do that we use their phone for. >> And even the fact that, like you said, there's no big brother to limit what even gets on the store in the first place is a huge thing, because T-Mobile has said like you know, we're gonna let these people develop. That's what it's all about. And sure there is, I mean I've always said, and kind of complained, that the phone has a ways to go. But the potential of the platform is huge. >> It's really huge. And I you know, I think as soon as we come out with some devices that are a little sexier, have a little nicer design, you know, aren't as, just kind of blocky and clunky looking, I would say that it's got to lot of potential. So I'm real excited about it. >> Excellent. Okay, there's Kent's take on the G1. This next question is from Wogus [assumed spelling]. Wogus, how you doing? Kent, I asked Nicole yesterday but I'll ask you again, do you know by any chance when the W seven sixty-eight silver will be released from the limited time exclusivity from Radio Shack? >> Typically, these things are about six months, I would say. I don't, there's no sort of set limit, and I haven't asked AT and T or Sony Eriksson this specific question. But say it's about six months or so. >> Okay. >> I think. >> Okay. Excellent. Here's a question from AllenIceman. AllenIceman asks, what are your thoughts on the new PS three Bluetooth headset? Is there be a review in the works? I'm only reading just what you said, but I know you didn't mean to type that. I've messed with it. It came with the new SOCOM video game. And the thing about it is most people aren't familiar that with the PS three you can actually pair almost any Bluetooth headset with it. So if you have like two top Editor's Choice had, since we have like the Blue Amp V-one or the Aliph Jawbone two, I just paired it directly with my PS three. >> Okay, I can see where you were able to do that. >> Yeah, so that's what makes it cool. It's versatile and they're not just saying use the PS three one. I have played, at least touched, cause one of my friends had it, it's kind of a little chunkier than I like, just because as a phone user, you want something that's a little more lightweight. >> Yeah. >> But it has several button controls on it. >> Which one are you talking about? >> The one that came with the video game. >> Oh that one, uh-huh. >> So it's kind of catered. This headset that came with the SOCOM is really more catered to the video game itself. And so I can understand why they say X may be a little chunkier. But ultimately, AllenIceman, if you have a Bluetooth set already, there's no need for you to go out and buy one, you know, or, you know. >> Does the PSA, is it stereo Bluetooth profile, do you know? >> I don't know about that. Yeah, I don't know off the top of my head. So, if you guys in the chat know if it has the stereo Bluetooth profile, let us know and we'll let everyone else here know. That would be great. But I don't know if there's gonna be a review on the PS three Bluetooth headset cause it's not necessarily, I don't know if you guys would, if that's normally in your wheel house. >> Yeah, it's not something we do; maybe the gaming guys in New York would probably do that like John Falcone and those guys might look at it. >> Okay. >> But it wouldn't be top on our list. >> Yeah. Okay, here's another question. This one comes from Rev. Are U.S. providers going to begin supporting video conferencing phones at all. Considering that more than just a handful of Smart Phones with front facing cams have been removed from US equivalent models. What's your take on that? >> Well, AT and T does have its video share application, sort of works like that. >> Mm-hmm. >> And of course you do need a three G network to really support it. And you do need a phone with three G, of course. And then you know, both parties need the phone, or not the same phone but as long as it supports the network a they both need to be in three G areas. So there's little qualifications that go into that right now. But they do share sort of works like that. But there's not a real service out with carriers that are really marketing the design. This is for video conferencing. >> And what do you, I mean what do you feel about just video conferencing in general on a phone? Do you think people would really use that if that tool was given to you? Cause I find, even with computers now, a lot of computers really being able to video conference, a lot of times when someone wants to video conference with me I'm like I don't want to video. I don't want to video, I don't want to look at you, or like really be totally zoned in on you right now. I want to just hang out and relax. >> Yeah, and that's something, I think, I think has been around for a long time, you know, because they've had land line phones that you can do the video on for a long time. And it just seems to be one of those things that just hasn't taken off. I mean, technology is there but it just hasn't taken off. Cause, you know, for probably the reasons you're talking about. You're on a phone and, you know, you're talking to a friend, and then, going on and on, and you're rolling your eyes or something, you know. >> You can be passive if you need to be, right? >> Yeah, yeah. Or, if you're just walking around the house and, you know, it just, I think it, I think maybe that's a privacy level that people don't like about it. But I know, certainly for businesses, you know, that's something that people need or people want. But, for personal use, I can't imagine there's a lot of need. >> So are you an eye roller on the phone a lot? >> Well, that's just an example. >> Depends on who you're talking to, right? Okay. >> I never do that when Brian calls. >> Yeah, never. Okay, why do, this question is from ZBO0Y417, why do you think wireless phone companies are now putting a five gig cap on their air cards or, you know, being able to use the data networks like Intertherene [assumed spelling] for example or their three G service on the AT and T. >> Well, the funny thing about these CADs is, Sprint and all these companies say it's unlimited, it's unlimited, but, there's a limit. And, yeah, a lot of these limits are some that most people would never really reach. But it costs money to run these networks and, if you're using it constantly, it is gonna be, it's not gonna be cost effective to them. If all of the users are doing unlimited. So, it is a little misleading for them to say that. So I think it's just really a cost issue in a lot of ways. >> Also, they're using the same data networks as phones. We've seen how the AT and T network has been inundated, initially, with all these iPhone users and if you throw on unlimited data use or - >> And that's something absent at AT and T. The T Mobile three G which isn't available in as many cities, of course, is lightning fast. I've used it and am very impressed. And of course, it's smaller and there's not as many people on it. >> True. People, we did kind of a very rough kind of price fight of three G speed tests and people were, like, criticizing us because, like, oh, you need to eliminate this, but what we want to do is speed test. We want to just be, like, kind of raw. If you were using this on the corner of the street, what your results, what would your results be? >> What's your real world? >> Yeah, exactly. And that's what's probably, that's the most important thing. I don't want to see how fast phone is tested in a lab with, you know, with all these requirements and things in place. I just want to see how it works when I'm out on the street. Okay, this one's from Allen Iceman. This question is, is the Sony Ericsson C nine-oh-five coming to North America and, if not, if I import it, will it still work? >> C nine-oh-five, I think this is, is this one of, I think this is one we saw at GSMA or something like that in March, or February. It could. And if Sony Ericsson is being a little bit better about coming here. There have been some pretty rare in this market. AT and T does a better job of getting them in and T mobile, once in a while. Definitely it will work if you bring it here. Just a couple of qualifications. Of course, it has to be support the eight fifty and nineteen hundred band, GSM bands. Both is best, if it only supports one, that's fine. But really, it should support both. And then, if you want to use any three G services, it has to support the three G band fused here which I'm blanking out at the moment. But nineteen hundred and eight hundred, I think. I know I can be totally wrong on that, on the ones. >> I don't know so I'll let you solitude that. >> Right. And so, you want to make sure you can make sure, and then, you want to make sure that you can use a three G, if it's a three G phone, and it's, but, AT and T and T Mobile use different three G bands, three G networks, so you can't take a phone and move it over and use three G. You can move it over and make calls, of course, but it is a little different in that sense. And just, any kind of [inaudible] and every time you ring an unlocked phone to use web browsing or any multimedia messaging, you do need to download the correct data settings to your phone. You can do that through Sony Ericsson's site a lot, or, you can get them from your carrier most of the time, so, just make sure of that. >> Okay. Excellent. This is a question from Pacgamer. This is for you, Kent. Do you do any gaming? If so, what do you play? >> A funny thing about me and gaming is I'll get really into a game. I'll buy a game, I'll get really into it for two months, and then, I just get frustrated with it and [inaudible]. I mean, I definitely have the Wii, been thinking about getting a PS three for a while, mainly for the Blu-Ray DVD player as well. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Just cause I want Blu Ray. So, I do a lot of Wii. >> What's your favorite Wii game right now? Or was? >> Tennis a favorite. >> Yeah. It's just gets old. >> It doesn't get old. Bowling doesn't get old. But, of course, after a while, your arm, it just feels like it's gonna fall off. But, do you like Super Mario world? >> Yeah, that's a great game, yeah. >> Yeah. I was one of these people that had the, I never had a Atari when I was a kid. I had Clinko Vision [assumed spelling], so, I was always a little step behind on my gaming. >> It's all good. When you get a PS three, let me know and I'll be like, Kent's on the cutting edge of gaming. Okay, this is a question we kind of touched but since Jam Partom might have come a little later, he asked when we might see other android phones at the store. Kent talked about how LG and Motorola are working on those phones but it still remains to be seen when we'll actually have a street - >> I mean, we'll see them in the next year or so. I mean, there's a lot of interest out there and I've got a lot of questions from people that say, should I buy the iPhone or should I buy the G1 and that's a complicated question that I actually answered in On Call Column a couple of weeks ago but there's definitely interest so we'll see them. >> Okay. Excellent. We'll take this as our last question for the day. It's twelve o'clock. This question is from Wogus; are there any benefits among locking a phone for daily usage within the US? >> Yeah, there are lot of benefits. Unlocking is, you can take it to another GSM carrier, well, and now you can now even, Verizon is allowing unlocked phones in their network. Take it to another carrier and use it there. There's no, as long as it supports the bands, and the best thing about unlocked phone is if you travel overseas a lot and you go into a place where they use [inaudible] of course, most of the world, if you're, I've done this in Europe, I've done this in Hong Kong, Australia, is, you just take the unlocked phone. You buy a local SIM card, and depending on what that SIM card is and it has prepaid minutes and I did this in the Philippines, too, and it was all text, I just pop it in the phone and it works and it's great. And as it supports those bands there, of course, you will have a local number for that country, but if you're traveling with people in that country, have friends in that country and you need to reach them, it's a great way. And it's just very cost effective. You don't have to go through a carriage roaming service and really, cause that's the best thing about an unlocked phone, actually. >> Excellent. All right, well, thanks, Kent, so much for coming out. >> Sure. >> It was great stuff. >> Sure. >> Great stuff. Okay, guys, tomorrow, we're gonna have Mister Dome No in the house. He's gonna be talking about web safety. I don't know what he's gonna really, no, I'm just kidding. Dome is a good guy. So, come back tomorrow, eleven thirty West Coast time, AM, two thirty PM East Coast time and we'll see you guys on Editor's Office Hours. Thanks. >> Take care. ^M00:30:40 [ music ]