Ep. 73: We eat Ice Cream SandwichesDonald Bell joins us on the show today to discuss The Google Music Service, a Nexus launch date, and the biggest tablet you've ever seen! All of that and more on this week's episode of Android Atlas Weekly for November 16nd 2011.
Google music. And nexus launch state and the biggest tablet you've ever seen all that more on this week's edition of -- -- Vanilla Android atlas weekly for November 16 when eleven I'm just -- -- -- I -- has Donald well. Who hello nice recovery the -- -- -- out of breath and a finish grunt and think that it. You know. It says parents and it. -- thanks for bad joining us and -- -- -- on and on who is doing -- stuff. -- -- -- -- -- -- If can afford cars you know we spent our money on phone that's right. Direct data plans. Let's start up for story. Cool what are you interest for a story here is while you're doing now travels brought up a little. You -- In my space school -- cooler with Internet. -- -- -- it it doesn't have The Spice Girls on it because it's called the little claiming or is that totally not at all related. Amazed how it -- to hear -- -- me or someone put them on their food that is -- -- -- -- the first person -- that arteries. Urges that and I'm paid to make connections yes -- -- the east. You start talk and I. Well I think everyone licences podcast how they're already knows that Google -- -- -- source code for ice cream sandwich. Hey thank you you can't. Help -- the -- theory is. It's a Google nexus know it at a good to keep it cold -- podcasts and so we're gonna -- So mush mouth it's on there have been with twelve -- American adults. To marijuana outlet of milk loaded on the death -- -- -- -- -- -- -- so Google released today is contaminants. Not this once dessert I'd download it for you has directed it at. -- girl's -- -- exactly they're back then now with -- it dad. Com yes a treat for martyrs and developers hazards during here. At -- -- -- source code has been released com to the and -- open source project. I'm so basically what that means because it's open source noting other -- Coca. And mum. It had been released presumably to sort of certain carriers before certain manufacturers to stick on their phone and integrate their but now the general public can get it and you know you start to see. Various ports and -- answers in a currency a -- image running on May be stuff we'll talk but later in the show. My eggs in my gut reaction my -- fear is that I'm gonna see it on absolutely everything CES. As from sandwich yet I think my fear would be that I wouldn't you know everything it can't -- They -- get a new tablet comes with 802 point three now. -- -- -- of plaster retired us on -- honeycomb was out Azeri and we're still seeing a honeycomb is so exclusive that only Motorola had read -- -- every other tablet. If there are just -- -- and the whole thing in earth. Well little they know -- how -- -- would have the last laugh I've yet. Zoom zoom -- do well -- I mean I think that is also part of the the story here free and race or plan now is that it's coming on the heels of reply now being. Arguably. Not the revolution. It was cracked up to be that is true I've had high hopes for a -- Com aren't -- sight -- some more Google news which is not that's present -- -- just gonna enter in our. Comments and how. There's a Google event receptionist -- clock we will have live coverage on buzz out loud starting at 1:45. PM Pacific. Right here on CNET live. But what they're announcing -- some kind of cool music something -- rather and now's the part where we pretend like we know what they're gonna do. At that it. Well I mean what they came out with will be -- a few years ago where they had music in a gated to search -- And -- search for man name or song title. And it would. Recognized you're searching for music and then. Read of the top gave you. Direct links into -- city. Out at that point -- allow list like one now they want this -- -- when the only. Search results that would give you awful song stream of whatever you're looking for an Apple -- then me and -- -- -- one of the best weapons Google had for music search. -- -- But at that point. Their whole philosophy was like we're not giving in actually selling music is a bunch of people of action that do that may gonna do better than -- ever gonna be able to do it. You know when we try to total frozen -- -- -- my -- disk might get excited -- get you know extra -- -- and you know none. Baghdad that the theory here are the of the possibilities at the beginning in -- music retail -- that they're gonna actually somehow. Biewer provide you with. Purchase purchase contracts rise of -- he adamant that this strong spirit that they've signed deals with the major record companies and that there should have gonna offer. You know -- -- -- iTunes music store. Equivalent and many many many years later. Com. -- now the only thing that Google really sells right now. Our apps ranked apps. Books. Movies. Austria yet so they have that fairly decent ecosystem -- I think like you. Many people forget that they actually have all these other send additional offerings and they're really. I've talked throughout time and time again on the show where I think it is all about the ecosystem breakfast as the -- knife on a successful. Well but the reason but one of the reasons is -- they have such a great app. Music. TV shows movies etc. ecosystem you can do everything you need to do part of. Part of the reason I think a -- you don't recognize that is because so many -- the at least on the tablet and a lot of the tablets -- -- The manufacturer also has their own service has become that they that they -- they prioritize -- It frustrates me so much to -- get. A brand new Android tablet even -- new Android phones and the music app on there isn't Google's idea -- to go -- the extra set of downloading. Google's like music beta enabled version of music app which is to me -- -- he's selling point for by -- -- get in the entry. Or -- tablet. -- -- I mean you know -- the -- they're that good friend fragmentation -- -- mess with us we'll let this fragmentation I think it's a little bit more malicious -- that they where -- that manufacture wants to be able to make some of that money and prioritize their own services over Google's. Apple fragmentation of the ecosystem in terms of yet I mean -- -- -- have iron fist and Apple happens on every level of the you know we make the hardware. We have these deals with the carriers it's as you can't -- year Phares and -- -- he -- store room there. Com. And Yemen I think ultimately it's probably bad for the entry -- ecosystem. Maybe in the short term it's -- forward individual manufacturers that feel like. Mean data lock you in right if you get a phone that has -- Samsung store and know people -- know better. Who has the -- ten years ago I have all my music purchased here and it's just easy to get another Samsung phone and that's what they want to -- but. Google probably. Doesn't necessarily -- on their best -- Well -- lets -- hypothesize on what Google music could mean like what. What could Google do with music that no other. Providers already done you know like wired by roll your own music store went -- million people out -- to compete with -- Anyone idea is that has been before it is sort of social integration enemy not that there -- other socially integrated stuff but that they would take that -- the next slow so they have Google+. -- integrated with their music's. Offerings think -- -- -- of this track and don't share with friends and then now my friends can all listen to. This music is one thing that we haven't really. Seen before it Nam. Will what else via -- -- That I feel lake is an. A Google already does for music that they don't get. You know them compliment -- on enough. -- is not really of their own doing but YouTube they -- YouTube correctly YouTube -- before any for any you know. The -- lies that are. Spotify as anything else is like if you want to share music with somebody on FaceBook any social networking disk -- so hung on YouTube. It's probably there where it is paste in the linking you get a full song. -- as many times as you want musically. -- can't buy it yet you know. True -- I'm that that is -- important difference something and I do a lot. Come -- I wanna play a specific song. But it gas. So now though YouTube has the evo -- like their music partners I wonder will the evo play any part in the school of music announcement. But -- what happens to of that day I don't know its its kind of weird how -- broad view go in there as their music provider and didn't do those deals separately. Com. Yeah I mean -- think for me. -- I don't feel like him over buying music not that I'm stealing music that when you have spot -- guy and you have. And Dora -- what I really warrant. Is the combination of Spotify and pandora. Re -- I would definitely pay a monthly fee for that I would pay a monthly fee for both of them no because I. There's times when I wanna listen -- there's a song but most of the time on Psycho go to gym and I'm gonna run and I need just. Up tempo music. Nam and that's -- -- pandora. So I don't know of school to solve this problem for me with you know there are offering here -- -- I doubt that they will let. That's what I -- world. Yeah. I kind of want a better ice self like -- to do better job of recognizing -- searching for band's music and really keeping me better search results that are tailored for that and maybe even streaming right from the web page. -- -- a bit more of it -- I think bans on their own. -- do -- pretty good job of putting their music as many different places as possible to get people to. Buy it here it. But sometimes. It's it's not that clear man. Was doing and -- Google all that organizing. The world's information -- -- so if they can do one thing well I think with Google music it would be allowing you to search and fine. The music do you want term may be arranged to better than anyone else happens now. We'll see -- not the way too long no we don't then let's stop speculating because maybe you'll be wildly wrong again and -- may be you be new music format. It maybe it'll be like 3-D music. -- music. Bleak given credit for doing something in -- The ocean -- up with a better crazy ideas orbits in 3-D -- and flavored music. It's. All right let's go to more speculation. A Google nexus everybody -- favored next phone. I've been complaining and all Greek accent Twitter when's this phone -- -- just tell me what -- Com. And we don't personally know who officially wind's gonna come out in the US but now I think we do you know. Kind of in Canada so there's been announcements from the three major carriers in Canada. As to you when it's gonna come out which for two of them is in December and one of -- -- in January. So that may be four after it comes out in the US we still -- know. Com though we -- you know it is -- it has -- -- gone through the FCC process in the US which is normally eight. -- precursor to actual release. -- that it goes on sale is believed morrow in London. Com. And the first story in the world to sell this what is the -- -- -- com. -- like the -- because. Around. Not only is it can be the first store in the world to sell it but it is said if there's a line of people. Ahead of when it starts -- -- -- they'll serve breakfast and it's groups and -- this. Business suite. This year. You know there is they want in Tulsa is coming out here and com. So you have the first says store on -- world to sell but he is the media phones for you. On -- Oxford street. School started November 17 -- him. You know London time UTC recall that. So as fear really dying to get one and you don't wait for the US if you have to wait -- By London and you'll get free breakfast to be so disappointed though if you flew all the way out there and it turns -- they're selling it tomorrow to hear. -- -- big plate of Britain's -- could be slightly disappointed but. I'd be in -- of the article itself and get a free -- -- is -- on. An ice cream would be the yeah yeah I honestly -- no offense English but the breakfast there's. That doesn't fit so they scrub breakfast in England they'd taken a media and they fret for about 35 minutes left NASA at a and then they flip it over yet and -- -- more on it yet it's pretty awesome I love sulfur in the morning. Anyway so we really know what's happening here in the US that. My wild guesses it's that happen -- rants again in London -- Nam I just hope they act comes with breakfast most instances. Very last very before we take a quick break Nam we haven't -- -- the hoops we -- the useless status of the week -- while. This one is -- arm. Cool but still nothing that you can act. Tone arm -- -- Smartphones have taken more market share. India third corder says that a quarter ending September 30. These holds a number there were -- there's -- of the day because they've been hauling hundred manufacture sold. Sixty point five million -- -- Smartphones worldwide. Which gives them 52. Point 5% of the market according to -- Which is does is this shocking part double. Where they were at this time in 2010. It pretty massive increase in new year. Was that this phone shipped. Rate and didn't -- -- -- that Sony vs diesel sold in red and he's still gonna be a lot. On -- right yeah I mean and that's it is stockpiling them Summers to make them with the awesome stat. Could be tonight at Google has many Tunisia and edited by the phones themselves -- -- -- news -- -- My -- immediate shipping containers somewhere in phone reserve. The contributor -- From. So compared to -- -- Apple. Which sold. Sixteen point 6% of the Smartphone market with thirteen point five million phones. Am I guess you could say like Apple's may be -- slight disadvantage because a lot of people probably pulled him off line phones until iPhone. Five slash -- ask -- mountain. And fourth quarter may be a more accurate number but. However you slice that they -- -- sandwich that's love. And of course rim sold -- Now all this -- Barrett stay with us rate after the break we're going to talk about Kindle fire and no G tablets yes. Welcome back that routes are filled in sticky in prison with -- images. So I apologize for around -- horrible. Talking -- the processor out. But it was delicious. Com. I think I said he Americas -- the point -- show wanted to let you talk. With -- Internet at. Developers I get fat with all the different you know goodies that they can celebrate with every release new Android OS -- understand that who says they're not that. So -- it's -- extension and link. Mac developers -- have like wild animals that they collect exactly. Her okay. That's another show Amazon Kindle fire. What -- -- and now it's out. Your probably if you or pre ordered it you're probably getting in the night or every avenue they -- -- -- -- So it is based. Instantly on Android 2.3. Great -- -- Kindle fire that is absolutely not recognize. In my. They're really instinct. So I have -- analog mixed yes. So for you this isn't like the parable to an iPad it's his elected different category and iPad or its its. -- -- parable to. Like one. Section -- like the entertainment section iPad already he had an iPad and -- had the browser. Email. Half the screen size and then all of the iTunes. And immediate content and maybe 110 of the out. -- -- I met its. So I guess if I AM I'm here right now I have a can dole. It's it is broke -- and tonight that. Because that's I love the light form factor of the Kindle I can do is take that wherever and you know that thing costs -- -- about sort of broke -- was. Sad but not at certain. Saddam -- aren't they need to buy. A new Kindle because they still want the -- thing known. Him to fire his interest team -- probably not the scenery he had seems silly to have an iPad and a Kindle yet. Comment and -- was -- well. -- -- who steal Mac -- time as us. So -- it. In the Kindle cause it's really cheap and if he broke it wouldn't be that bad -- and here's the question I have like the PBS kids that do you trust your kid with -- -- And a shirt and reader -- so. -- I -- that any any accidentally like. Type in the word porn by accident and haven't come possessing only fear from me and a dad with had and admired incidents if -- -- at that particular. Exact at the same things that aren't sure we can find some Helm of ideas onions Ali Al McColl road to almost been -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- dialog. So he had the Kindle fire I think it's -- it's a good match for kids in the sense that you get. Lots of stream video content and I'm sure that the -- offerings and game offerings in an increase. And that their party late EA games in -- -- games and those of party committed to late getting all supported ordinance. System but then there's no parental controls for blocking out the browser or email or purchases like it would be in the islands. So to -- 500 dollars. -- Images by an iPad or two way consider it -- first of all congratulations. At 500 RS 500 dollars. And now I found in your -- and I didn't -- And you know I roll. The into. -- and I I think if you're in the iPad category and you you really think that you're looking for more of that. A middle ground between laptop. And Smartphone. Yet as -- -- get you into a whole lot more for you. If -- if you really think you can use all those features breakdown. I think that the Kindle fire -- just -- for entertainment. It's gonna on the couch you can check emails got a pretty simple that usable email. Client at the web browser and I don't really like present -- on seven inch screen -- -- everybody and in my review. But it's fine it's it's. It's science does the work I like blames on a -- is this where they're like for the most -- -- don't -- -- every consumer -- content we have. IPad apps we have maps for regular -- tablets right now. We -- due to consumer content and it's clear that that's what it's about them because it in a report earlier this silent as below cost -- so -- I. Yeah it's really hard to do -- -- -- you know. I'm sure that the fans of the show can -- Freda Otto. Do workarounds to get their own content on here port it to use an app -- other then Amazon's App Store but. For the most part it's a you know that the kudos here is that they've they've done so much work to Android and this stripping all down. Stripping away all the stuff that doesn't make sense this is -- at the hard residing Americans no cameras. And no GPS no compass. You can excel runner there's -- -- gyro there's no. Just think there's no three G connection is no micro SD I mean you think about all the different code -- associated with all the things that kind of laying. And they made a really -- -- and then the result is that is some of the in -- navigation is really quick. They've invested a lot of money in the screen it's been really great and on and usually -- -- tablet that's even sub 300 dollars the screen is the first thing that they cheap out on right now. One of the weird things though on the screens that there's only he. Two fingers of multi touch support the so as beautiful as it is my three fingered fruit ninja slates and skills area were hampered this in this three fingers on the screen no -- club can't -- each other out so there's no fingers on the screen. -- -- -- That does -- that mental strategy of Internet and didn't get -- okay anything above the screams out. So there's that I think the most by the Kindle fire is emulate. The people in your family who aren't tech savvy and would otherwise. Not buy an iPad in the current disk this is actually it's pretty fun to players like stirred intro to tablets. -- totally be happy with -- Is not right and also it's something we disrupted -- about yourself as a human being like Nolan. As much as I wanna be the guy who uses my tablet to check in on foursquare when I'm at the cafe or some -- that are who does not using this as a navigation device on my. Trip to London to camp out for the next nexus phone. -- -- You know who yet who can potato and -- has been two years of like packing features in the tablets to figure out who can -- tablet can do the most stuff. And now this is -- staying. Back and -- where it's like oh my god who can make the tablet that that's the least stuff as inexpensively as possible but still entertain crap. Let's talk about the competition -- so. Barnes & Noble yet introduced -- -- -- which is just called the nook nook tablet. Doesn't -- tablet okay and then the previous one stabilizers and a color rate for 199 this new one is to forging content. Aren't so -- tablet pursues. Kindle fire. What to it's so fifty dollars more is -- -- personals are worth it knows more. Yes on -- definitely worth fifty dollars -- -- a -- extra money goes towards. Cooler design goes towards. At twice the ram so -- getting a -- -- here instead of 512 and you're getting twice the storage you can sixteen gigs of storage. Instead of eight gigs -- plus you're getting a micro SD slot card slot seat in side of the stuff and expand storage by another. 32 gigs hypothetically -- so yeah I think in might be -- -- tablet sense -- extra value. Absolutely worth the extra fifty dollars. That said I feel like. As far as entertainment proposition goes. Not as immediately entertaining. As what -- Amazon Kindle fire offers the last -- Because. Just have less content less content I'm Barnes & Noble is its. And it's supplementing -- with third party apps C gaming Hulu plus or Netflix I think even out of the box -- Kindle has as well Kindle has I think it optionally install it in -- story you can get all that stuff last year -- The App Store for Kindle. Already. Out of the gate is in the -- of the -- -- tablet has. And there's something to the fact that. Barnes & Noble makes them money ultimately by selling new book and magazine content and so that smooth the way its front center here on the device. They want you to buy it they -- -- get addicted to it like you would with any kind of tablet experience but really where they make their money is. You know its own digital books. Parents -- our questions so they are the underdog though they need to be war really really really want to -- this is if you don't. -- -- He -- I'm surprised. Like I understand that it's worth more money spec wise I feel like that -- -- days. You and I care but most -- probably will overlook that has specs. Specs respects and interest -- mine gets Fuzzy if you're not a techie when you look at specs very. It is cooler looking now like I can imagine happening Kindle fire and some with -- tablet comes up -- -- common nuisance -- -- not that it doesn't have that little loopy thing that port that's for adding new charms you know if you want to little. That's nice girl though charm exactly -- so well in Japan -- of their terms. Except that. You're -- reckoned -- beginning the content to golf -- -- -- both these are pretty much. US only locked down items in terms of you the buy and stream content. That is that you. -- I connect to -- -- terms here so do you com. So. What I was saying anyway is that. It's -- that they didn't just come out super loss leader like we need. Her survival depends on owning this market. Were 117. -- -- think about that Amazon right now is my voice here as the podcast does and I need -- more -- -- having -- guys came exactly I think. For using -- my vocal cords that. Com. Anyway Adams Sam -- Yeah I understand this probably cost more for them to make him an Apple -- money but it seems to me like Barnes & Noble where there are and a I don't know note tons about -- -- -- but let's. And it -- -- are the same price one many members of one minute or even if they're a little bit cheaper -- I still feel like that that. The battle against one over content. You know I mean -- at least. Even though I'd say it was hearsay immaturity that -- either way is that even with the iPad and -- -- was -- even honeycomb is that these. Tablets are. Just windows into services right. And ecosystem sort of it's a gray area if -- -- staring backing you -- the other side of the glass is just kind of like. And -- something -- excited about. You're not gonna go tell your friends you -- -- -- brag about it and is now it's just not gonna sell itself the same way. You know some crazy. -- -- Team pacts. Streaming video and you know that something that's really geared -- being exciting being equal and -- -- -- off to your friends. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Load and is that I'm buying like ten of them. And -- -- of course but I mean it these are also appeared on a companion devices that you hang out with on the couch and -- if you use that content on the in -- -- of -- is an exciting. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Seems like the point here is if they wanted to be successful. Price maybe maybe not would have made it a slight difference but they needed. In of the ecosystem is really hard to come by when they're starting where they are. If there were some other unique features that no one else have that there are like you know this has 3-D ice cream taste when you look -- right or I you know I don't know what it is but some -- sort of -- Here's why he buys ask is right now it's kind of like -- me too. Thing. Read what I get -- -- -- -- -- -- -- like Amazon maker of the did. And I still think that didn't didn't nook simple touch. Because that falsely asking for you is like to provide you with -- a bunch of well priced book content. And -- it -- you -- -- device like that equation is. Easy for them to -- -- because they they have all that book content they're really good at book selling. That's just so in their comfort zone for what they're gonna do but when it comes to the other things I think we expect from tablets in terms of video. Gains. You know -- all the fun stuff. Amazon -- hat and in app content and a separate even App Store I think Amazon dis has all that. Ready to diligently working on that from time -- be -- deserved to win at that because they've invested so much -- it. You know what else Amazon has that we haven't mentioned here as it was on -- Yet current it is you know and you get a free month of that when -- by -- and things so right out of the -- -- can get all of the instant. Amazon instant video prime video content -- is kind of cool. -- I love it. -- it makes me spend more money for share content com. All right so one last thing on to mention about the fire as the Kindle fire so -- -- enough com color of course has been famously rooted. Men use says is cheap tablet you buy. Hackers all over. -- the Kindle fire has no. Reportedly been -- as well after would have -- visiting and after few days but it you know it's not that's present. But now people can theoretically punishment sandwich on there or whatever they want to -- -- you could already either he could side load content on there with our routine. This -- -- -- in theory yet there's a setting in the Kindle fire where it's like the install from unknown sources setting. But I am you know if you type in. You know Android -- -- like the the actual -- You're the you're off the Google Android App Store when -- it'll take you to Amazon -- -- App Store. And there's like no -- cover around it and even I tried to -- a direct address -- -- a PK. I could probably download install I wasn't able to I I tried even going through with swipe -- -- famously has like a direct. It won't deviate then a PK so there the keyboard -- software but even they recognize that I wasn't on. An Android phone so they wouldn't send -- -- him. So and they yet -- enterprising in total the you know and -- what everyone on this. And the thing that is interesting to me about the Kindle fire routing. Milestone -- that I think people will be disappointed. You know like. If you get a full version of -- -- on here it's just gonna be able to you can build a have a standard experience. By uniting the cameras and acumen GPS so maps kind of -- -- gaining. Miss some meetings and greater it is really tailored for it's it's kind of like putting it in a dark power -- -- -- to connect to. And I think it it goes against all the work that Amazon did it deliberately make this so. I closed in unified and easy to use Flickr a specific purpose like if you want. If you want. And -- -- you -- Android 199 dollar tablet is actually a lot of options out there for like the -- the price is fine -- -- -- -- selling -- is how -- -- mean -- its. Yeah I mean I definitely get that I think -- what if you just wanna do installed. App Store for example Nam -- -- -- -- them to market that Google market on there. You don't want -- actually. Replace the whole rom on -- mean that's sort of worthwhile endeavor. -- yeah if you wanna be able to run all of the money all the apps you've invested money on -- to -- ready yet to make a good point. -- aren't we have a couple quick stories before we get to your email -- first Adobe has launched a suite of applications for the -- tablet as they originally announced disease at the Max conference in October. Com. And let's rundown of what these are so Photoshop touch which is is -- -- injury. So these are offering a -- and out of version. A Photoshop 4999. Am Photoshop from 990 ninth it was a member elect. First -- buying Photoshop like 900 or thousand dollars. A ticket still somewhere around there and even Photoshop elements is like. Hepa haven't takes the fun out pirating it now -- -- it. You have but then you have -- -- talking before you have tease her finger to do all the stuff for. You're presented a smudge tools actually this individual you're smoking the screen and -- like how cool you know if you actually smudge the screen or you you digitally smudge is agreement. But tests of Photoshop -- nine and nine may have another app called proto which is sort of for prototyping creating wire frames. Suspect and cooler. She earned her feeding color color schemes -- -- coat color themes. -- color color. K Hugh Elliot arsenic in Kiev chair -- exec we are mean -- -- turned it into other. -- Lists used symbol mood boards. -- I have never assemble the mood board that. You know they go. Adobe did -- debut is a presentation tool -- Doesn't necessarily look like PowerPoint -- -- -- the you know I guess would be kind of cool to be able to plug in and -- from your tablet -- you know Apple -- a keynote to. Than there is -- It's a is elected doodle sketch pad I think you know they have this -- for iPad. So. A couple of Eckstein apps emit its interest in that they broke out the functionality so specifically in that there's only one or two more -- graphs that -- like oh yeah we can do all these things. Time. Ends that they released always apps that honestly have parity with on the desktops with -- -- I just had a hard time buying any of these images with using their -- to create any of this right yeah like. You think they did this would appear that it had I mean I've seen people who are really skilled at doing. Yeah illustrations on the iPad with -- spouses and different different tools that that's that's not something you make with your -- there. I am skeptical as well that's a I can barely make stick figures on these types of applications at -- -- -- -- but I can only make stick figures in Photoshop on my computer or with the pen and Paper so. That all foreign to me. All these apps work with Adobe is cloud service where you can have upload the stuff and have creative collaborative. -- book. The data -- eccentric yet another Rhode -- for -- Direct. This I think is the best tablet of the day that we'll talk about. Would you agree annals he had -- so this is a 65. Inch Android. Tablet as a -- air quotes you -- -- people get that -- as they happen I think yeah I think it's audibly and the way -- -- you know. Saying America has here. -- 65 inch tablet from. Horror the apologies com which is a Turkish start -- -- -- -- very often. Com. It's and it's basically what it is is a TV hooked up to -- tablet. With some touch screen sensors on the TV two sensors to be specific. Com. And it looks a lot like I mean on one hand it's revolutionary on the other hand is in this but CNN -- a couple of years ago -- like. So I looked over here let's go what's going on my breasts -- CNN version that -- be holographic it is exactly for no apparent reason I think this. -- -- -- -- will I am hologram him. -- -- Also fruits lines it's not retention -- its ballistic entry version of fruit ninja could be -- circuitry and the Turkish version. Okay. -- that's pretty cool of they say that it will the -- this is I don't think they're selling this as of yet. But dumb. He may hear I would be doing both arms in for multi tenant shares to its its -- -- supported yet and my limited number of sensors -- that. Is what -- saying that they're hoping to add more sensors to it yes that's because they -- you get that big you can actually get collaborative with its -- put him there. And the team this up with like you know -- projectors that I -- of the metro on the project -- interact with that a typical. Com. So I guess they're gonna try to sells these -- -- to the education market it and it is that. Someone else -- super fast and likes surprises -- responsiveness. Touching. Because Cisco's move through fast -- It is pretty cool so if you know this is -- -- you actually want a touch at -- wanted to go with the connect that the thing. His feel like. I spend so much of my time cleaning tablets with a cloth. This that is going to be the hot to be some specialized product just for cleaning screens as large -- -- -- I guess they are to make it a Linux. Does it they have when -- for TVs the -- Probably TP optimize. -- Yeah I guess if he used -- takes us to the next level and TV was more interactive or something like that's here watching some showed an icon that's really cool. Sure -- has wherein it touches and then it would be like oh by that it. And in a battle with -- -- feel tired you just saying that. I I knew I am -- I can tell already my senior citizen home is going to be the kind experience right to sit my ass on the couch and -- stuff. No Wii remotes no interaction via just let me -- -- My -- years. -- -- had a son. FFF at. He just select directed to eat you ghost went okay good that can Hugo cut the virtual -- premium content creating want to transfer -- perfectly in North America. -- -- sticky finger kids -- Nam are at a place an order of that enough for you The Beatles you won't have all the money -- -- for fear he. Us our right. Out of the week so -- have taken the easy way out here. And work kind of sort of repeating something very -- past that Google Voice. -- -- -- voice at all. No. -- and for your voicemail. With -- man with the content into. That's the curmudgeon in -- man that's too much immunity. This helps you this this made it lets you be even -- the -- check your voicemail. So even if you don't use cool voice can have your voice no direct to a minute gets transcribed and emailed to you and immunity -- call it it's just like. And it's hilarious because 50% of the met the transit in the wrong thing. -- do you sell it to me now on company -- right now to feature plus a joke only -- it's very great. Com anyway they have updated Google Voice to version zero point four point 2.3. Eight. Much better than 2.4 point 237. Man com -- -- the biggest features in here. Which I gotta say at a really nervous about. -- can send text messages to multiple people. Before you could only send one message per one recipient per message. And -- will the second thing is it will -- -- retrieve voicemail. A pre fetch voicemails what they're calling it so you don't have to actually go and get it so if you wanna check -- voice now when you're not actually. You know have a strong data connection which I have actually experience a lot on -- -- -- will already be there com which is this kind of a nice feature. The saying that I want. That would maybe potentially make me full on switch to Google Voice it is -- And anonymous use them amassed but I use it a bunch of -- in you know little. -- pictures back and forth and yes I'd like that it -- that we don't care not to do any. And act as -- you know they got an -- -- -- it says so how would you send MMS with equivalents. Well you can't -- and have meant they have a text messaging app is part of who. So the idea of the cool voice as you shouldn't replace your normal calling and texting functions. As your phone with Google Voice and ever disclosure here who voice number and now this is -- -- absolutely granted there's also a Google Talk. Yeah not to be confused Google Voice and -- and it's -- -- integrates with the school voice which is even more confusing I think with Google Talk -- can actually. Call using your Google Voice number in Gmail so -- -- Google mumble. The Google. -- other ways to communicate with your mouth. -- -- -- Not that I'm aware but -- check Google as their color or camera. Well that's he's -- not especially this early in the morning. Parents confuse you more with some email from our. Loyal viewers. Can sends email Lander an analyst at cnet.com. As message from -- says hey guys as watching podcasts from the discussion of the tegra three processor came up at one point an image for the HTC -- strolled by and noticed it still have a set of 400 buttons on the bottom. Don't know why the source article -- is -- will. What source article is are our house official photos how sexualized photos are. But -- made me wonder what -- think will happen. To phones with hardware buttons that data created eyes and Sam actually have two rows of control buttons thirties as skim or read or heard -- aren't its offer buttons. Parents are an add on was nice enough to -- up an answer but I imagine maybe you know a little something about the well being -- -- -- add them out there aren't. Not them but I do predict and today and the music announcement will get Google saying the next frontier. Of using your voice to communicate -- really yet. Interest being -- look for that world will turn into like this giant new school glee inspired horror show. And then I'm really gonna be frightened and the -- -- -- Amish country and I knew all. Where is that -- this is my mind. In Mecca talks -- That's pretty Smart man so this is according to what he has seen in the SDK. And with the he has not officially tested this on hardware. Com. And in -- probably most. Harder manufacturers have been testing -- sandwich for awhile. Homes there tablets and have come across this issue and probably won't do the dumb thing and show to. Rows of the stuff but it. I guess in them and now we don't know until we officially see -- and I can imagine -- certainly see some. Crazy offer -- -- tablets tools shows like five rows of buttons. It'll be called -- I had with and yet. Now I really like this is totally divert diverging here but how long do you think the tablet competition is gonna be this like. -- like how long -- manufactures -- -- believe. That they can somehow compete with the perfectly executed I -- -- tablet. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Manufacture after manufactured. Introducing a tablet and then just watching it sit on the market and -- slashing up writes he had barely make their money back at like a Costco fire sale. Yeah I -- I think we're gonna see a lot of attraction right because it just it's not sustainable. I think ever -- -- -- -- was gonna work the way they entered phone market worked and clearly it doesn't and everyone's computing. It's great it's all about the iPad for the most present how Merck and slightly starting to change but only for a couple manufacturers for an. So act you know. When -- thinkpad I think that will probably end up with just a couple -- manufacturers of tablets. Were leading the industry. Are likely due in phones and not how all this crazy like. -- feel like -- less sure gonna put out the perfect injury tablet just tweaking your specs a little bit you're just wasting your money. As manufacture. -- and go back to the whole ecosystem argument is you know I -- what I've been getting a lot of questions this week about when immunity at the ten inch Kindle fire. -- there and so much of that I'd been pushing over onto. Ice cream sandwich because the App Store that -- have. For Amazon still all the apps are really optimize for mobile phone -- and -- yeah I'm more of a scalable. Tablet friendly. -- architecture behind it that has been challenged -- pathetically has. And it's gonna be tough. Yeah well buoyancy -- yeah I think blasts. -- -- Writes -- says -- it is -- from Brooklyn about did you guys believe that Droid -- will be released for AT&T the route we all remember the original RAZR what does. Com -- Aka BU released for AT&T because terrain is owned by Verizon. Time and I guess they -- renamed the RAZR something that. Given it insight into the us. -- except that. Now. At it. And digging or something millions they'd on the -- I'm actually glad and kind of pride myself but it took. So answered -- -- Our last email hi Justin and Antuan and Donald. Om Ive been waiting and waiting and waiting for two particular interim upgrades the first to use my phone -- still -- Android one out. That's commitment. -- on its last -- I'm holding out of the galaxy nexus it was announced same day as Madrid razor -- had gotten by the raiser today -- bit. We still don't even have a nexus -- state with gives. Refer to the earlier discussion this show. -- on the second upgrade needs to come down. On my Logitech revue Google TV 2.0 a sling player app -- -- will. Equal have been. Com. They don't understand why Sony gets the 2.0 love give me around about -- Logitech something anything. Please tell me that in December mere weeks from now be able to sing my name so anyway my two dot -- blues. So first question is when -- school nexus come out -- -- -- -- -- -- earlier discuss and -- or go to London. Think it's free breakfast when will Google TV 2.0 amount for the Logitech revue. I also don't know but I gotta think it's gonna be real soon. I don't know man -- a capsule burned by that and and at the in the -- if they have anyone even staff in that department announced his wonder guys statement. I'd -- farm bill -- The -- Have committed to needed to have come out what the upgrade and I think they even did give some timeframe -- think that maybe it may have been this year there's not much of this here left. I -- analysts say that I think will also -- -- this here. Yeah that's there's another product that who came on whom immediately went to fire sale through the night my father not picking -- that Fries like I don't -- it just did something. Just stockpiles -- them by more and buried in the desert somewhere. It is a bummer because they were you know to put our upgrade is pretty -- knew that it should have been -- one and over. Dragged folks that is our show for today. Four row all sorts of Android up seats in news and a bunch of that says his podcast as -- -- net dot com slash Android atlas you can watch us lives every Wednesday at 10 AM Pacific cnet.com slash -- Send us email -- -- -- at cnet.com. War. Give us -- phone call 1866344. 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