Ep. 636: Where we have our Froyo and eat it tooOn today's episode of The 404 Podcast, hosts Jeff Bakalar, Wilson G. Tang, and Justin Yu look over the new Froyo update for the HTC Evo 4G and Google's Android operating system, discover Android sales outpacing iPhones, and compare Wilson's iPhone 4 to...
-- -- It's going on -- wanted to August 3 point -- ten. You're listening or watching -- to the 44 podcasts from cnet.com. -- -- and everyone mining ship facto I am Wilson tang. And I and Justine new ended the show where we have our -- -- -- -- -- -- Idaho that the vote. Her little product I think you're -- my idea -- and I would prefer it here. Okay I. No way it goes well it has an engineering. And to think -- -- -- itself. When I. What I'm about rodeo here. Not that actually came through the pipe last night -- actually called me told you lab technician -- yeah yeah for people I don't know. -- -- is on another the net podcast digital city I think I have like fifteen phones got an iPhone and you vote he's got eight of their -- that's George. Yet -- devising new phone every hmm yes yes the end he called me up last night. And really hate it holds you yet -- that you should tell Geoff. Oprah Leo just went through that if that happened at 10 PM last time I don't know why -- Tomorrow you dig a little deeper number line. He definitely has my phone -- online video -- why don't you get on the fact that you're reading yeah okay I. -- -- Called view is -- a Justin. No. And here -- environment -- India India and then he hung up with view and then just -- them. Or you might have done it reversal universally -- -- called. You first year I don't know but -- early to for Leo Lama have -- -- change your life. It changed my life but it's Rican. There with a lot there -- the -- -- where I'm like how did I survive but I'd have for people I don't know can you explain what exactly for a you know is really can hook up Leo is the latest update to the Android mobile operating system. And kindness. And Andrew that's a little that's a little operating system for their Smartphones. The iChat as you though I've -- that's prints four G Android. And late last night. Rodeo version two point who was sent out but yes it is the operative where it and that's really cool with iphones when you update you gotta play any computer takes forever for -- to back -- this -- doesn't over the over alive by the whole process was done in about ten -- cool very cool everything does it automatically notify -- way. -- -- -- is simple if you didn't manually do it I believe today you'll get some sort of notification. So it's really cool the first thing I noticed right away is that business is a huge boost in speed this thing is quick now. It was quick before but it is quick care right okay please gains a lot better now too and there's -- -- -- -- lanky. Awesome -- move now and overall just the big speed increase. There's a few little tweaks here and there. But I know and you know you can use your for your flash LED flashing videos now and you can use. -- new flashlight application flashlight -- which is -- really -- I have them blanket before it and you can use flash ten relay its web pages I've known as the web surfing is quicker. Yet just before the show started non mean Joey were actually on CNET live yet watching. -- 404 episodes and chatting and it's a really a while you'll log in. Use flash and ultimately it was actually watchable -- and it looked exactly like a normal desktop and I wanna impressed by that and you can install some apps online. You're SD card now depends on the developer Bruton and all developers beginning -- -- -- -- agreement program there applications. To be able to be installed on a micro SD card I didn't know that injuries that you can actually downloads zip files. And there's a free program that lets you unzip then she can save whatever files that are on it to your -- -- you can also download the BitTorrent client. I'm really tricky I ought to clue. Please know that it can get -- -- -- -- there is a BitTorrent application that lets you download movies or whatever you -- do you have that -- For backing up your files. -- files on the Internet. Com and this -- you know that's that's cool but I don't know whether. Indeed the most pleasurable experience to he'd get one thing online right but just they have confidence and apparently the the hot spotting is like free for all now apparently. -- -- He I don't know why apparently I've been reading and forums and -- -- That's been working -- have you been drinking in full review that you need food yeah how how. Just how would you pay per month news service that's one do you really want I would like to know because on my contract is ending I have an iPhone right now he evidently object as a special case -- -- got a special -- And -- don't now. Yeah sucked his -- and it's a dollar a month mostly you'll be spending is eighty bucks -- okay yeah out talking to Julie who also has an even if that seventy bucks a month Shaq does not have -- -- She has and -- -- -- and predator program. For Verizon yet but you -- that you get unlimited data and unlimited text for seventy dollars for months now. That's a lot cheaper than -- But hey whatever you make it your own life -- actually studios Smartphones blackberries was becoming with -- new -- -- -- that where you just word did you go there -- I -- as as these CBS broadcast center is broadcast live mr. -- -- -- -- Okay so what -- you doing there well leaders any comic con special that's going to be airing on CBS camera I was hoping to. And cut together right -- -- gonna go on air on Saturday. Yeah this weekend. It's don't know the exact time but he's like 910 plus one -- -- Net for those early birds yep -- I'm very good all my Hollywood -- the no wonder woman passed in raid -- inside looking compound was actually really really cool. -- -- fund are also to what is it about a new Blackberry phone. -- also Blackberry is actually holding a bit rate now. Right now right now and as far as I know so far. The -- can be announcing the new Blackberry ninety's tendered and not the courts. The -- yet called the tour is called -- but there's actually screen -- children out the press conference is in progress is progress still looks like it's got a 2.4 four inch screen. It's got it's a touch screen and it -- the keyboard that slides and paltry sliders zero I don't know if -- -- -- pretty cool it does look really cool I wanna play with it supposed to Ryan Blackberry OX six. And give -- multi touch touch screen. Winners and also. Cameras -- maturity that you could -- only going to eighteen he first well I mean this happens all the time like Blackberry does this relate to three months and then it's gone gone to all of -- okay. I'm sure HTTP -- couple hundred million dollars for for the right. Couple hundred. Price is right so this is -- I know I was Stacey has an older. I think she has the tour and and they just rolled out a new OS update on that thing and it severely changed the industry's I don't know for the better -- and it but. You know it's and -- stuff. You're talking downloaded this morning how Blackberry still -- -- is commanding market share lead this liked. You know I think say that they were maybe going a little stale it's -- Not -- -- literary messenger maybe from the consumer space in the consumer space like if it's still great if you're if you -- to send an email out every elect. Five seconds right away by far the Blackberry steal -- -- sure. For I also a lot of people that actually tether their blackberries and don't have Internet home they just tether it and use it from from there. And pretty -- it's a great international yeah -- -- for -- You're not can be charged if you're on the iPhone you gonna -- country you you download when you know that's -- for now yeah there. Blackberry has like a really great agreements with -- centers across the planet Friday except in Saudi -- United Arab well you know him well but I'm glad that -- -- -- web browsing on a Blackberry not fun especially you don't have a touch screen version may be with the storm could do with the -- -- -- yet with the new version of like 306 is gonna join in usually an iPhone. I think the Nokia the new Nokia phones have been having -- it. -- that'd yeah browser varies so it's gonna be it's gonna look just like Chrome safari. Hopefully these canceled. -- -- -- if you go back to cnet.com later today we'll have them will not full review but we'll have personal images and maybe for video from this very cool. A Blackberry yeah we have our own black we didn't actually found. It was a little while on my backpack and I really happen again and charging right now and if you wanna get in contact that this you can BBN those at the numbers. Here at the screen which is is that we do floor 82. 45 to -- -- to four. -- two -- 45 to just put that in your little Blackberry messenger. It and this has -- contact and will immediately accept your request for communication yes and proceed to shoot the -- with you you'll join five or six other listeners and all -- I'm not joking people are talking to us live right now people are saying hi you guys rock. That was mark. George says. Is this really a podcast I. Literally just came back from the I don't know if that was the right one battery. But anyway keep them coming and and -- iPhone. Absolutely cute keep until Anke keeping anything is that -- -- you and your books anymore. It's -- -- -- yet sealed with the kids remember that. The public and Vietnam will promote a lady with lipstick on it lasts well actually. Oh it really can't percent in the conference growth from really can't that you good yeah. -- -- of those kids spray that per the other. If you didn't. You know -- -- -- ladies and what not yeah that's -- man yeah. What we're about got a girlfriend in in the middle and -- -- -- their envelope letters with the -- yes wow -- We'll get did you get -- -- under the of them. I suspect -- anything on my arm and and minerals or a -- it was it was my pillow -- your -- I don't trying to bend. Because. You do like. And to herself. Now let's keep -- -- Well speaking of Android retirement better image -- here that enjoyed sales have finally outsold the iPhone finally now have market share over the iPhone two point 7% versus iPhone point 32% tapped -- yet in and now there's -- like the Blackberry and move EM over -- -- of the things bold Blackberry is still 33 -- of course -- -- the the most the -- breath. But I actually do is I -- it doesn't. -- decent point. There are only two models of the iPhone bright -- on any given time right yeah so but and then there's been a big -- -- last year it has been again dropped from like 34% to 2.3 percent -- how much -- that to do with levels scandal about them find iPhone Wyatt -- this. Those two things that has anything now I think well this is Q2 all -- examine all -- and done yet yet why would that negatively impact. One -- back story but -- like you know it. Everything's running -- -- with -- reception issues that controversy you know everyone's or by the time reception issues through Q and two million people bought the forgive and again through and then nobody returned in -- -- -- literally yeah yeah oh yeah he said one person -- yeah yeah bread from. Did -- but but the thing is is that. Right now you can get an Android phone and all the -- -- iPhone is eight over the numbers -- the eighteenth he offerings are little. Yes yes the idea -- wonder -- -- is what I think that as well as the iPhone but I think they're like beat them up in a corner and I. Last year put -- -- reforms turn. I I am if you think I'm mulling that -- would be willing to put money on the next year. IPhone is going to Verizon I think more or mobile. Or an injectable that was a rumor it's actually the it's it would be easier for -- -- the GSM as the GSM technology. But I really think this is -- their -- their sleeve like early next year I think you can hear announcement. About the iPhone going to a CD and -- care in the US. Believe it or leave it -- -- and of course you start predicting the future. Do you like right now like it it's really important for. The Smartphone makers to get an early lead because is that -- is the lock in if you have like. -- hot -- -- paid for you know twenty or thirty iPhone apps and probably really reticent to move over to the Android platform camera almost delicate terrible terrible experience. Then also Apple -- done a really good job of keeping customers after new versions of come out in Britain like this articles saying that 46% of Android users. Won't buy another Andrew right after this current want the iPhone -- 86% will buy another iPhone afterwards and I'm diesel that's that's definitely a nice little loyalty and that's YouTube for me as well -- I've I've gone through like an iPhone three G I'm gonna by the for next thing with you -- The little bit about -- you will just some seemed to be two faced over. Got a wild thing -- hanging -- -- a three show and I before wooten. I am probably going to get -- you don't that is not a direct quote you're putting more than enough. Then okay I -- at that I'm now considering the injured because of all these new hands -- that compelling. Whereas iPhone are modeled that so many different Android phones to choose from soil and -- not corrected I -- it could. -- -- -- -- Film and running look I'm like hey did you -- -- -- you know I just this is cracking unit is -- accusing -- -- -- -- why he lives forever on and I have no use. -- -- -- Like but I continued to -- to. Plead the case if it were available on other carriers ride I would possibly -- -- considered. That this is sort of a big question I I only use the -- -- -- Not that -- -- -- I've played around with them. We have -- the office -- how is like the music management that's the that's probably the biggest draw question great question they're talking. Like like all I do do I just hope that it. I'm asking like. The is the easiest way for me to manage -- drag a bunch of files over -- that's all I do it. But they also have a program that lets you -- I can -- there is and and I forget it I met someone over the weekend who explained to me the program to use it. Chat room do you guys know of the double twist to double that -- yeah awesome thank you can -- you values that you can transfer your playlist Oliver so every it allows you I don't know about playlist but iTunes syncing with double twist. From what I've heard. Is is an excellent experience. But you could also like to do is plug it in music as a normal folder you can drag and of course you use it in your for your computer sees it like a flasher does that work with any -- of files like pictures and movies and and cool that's that you do it to mom so yeah lot of exciting news happening in the world of cell phones guys. Ambulance be excited to hear -- computers and seriously thought I was seriously if if if what is it if Apple even last week when Apple released a new IMAX -- -- press -- as a footnote yet I mean like that. What happens and HP want to release their new desktop yeah I've known -- I'm gonna have scrapped all gonna take a break gonna come back more than 44. Voice mails coming your way stick around. We get a lot more coming your way. Yeah the. Act like let's go out -- in year whitlock an -- to -- -- blow Lara budget do them making you back. -- -- -- We were acting very well though -- you know -- know that Michael Showalter item on Friday go back and watch that's and -- -- yeah you should really watch it and it works better when -- when you see the experts in them yeah I re watched again every -- the entire time this is what I'm doing -- that. A hundred -- -- imagine it it it that it looks like you leave it exactly in the rarity a good deal. It was pretty funny I enjoyed myself thoroughly but again. Let's get -- what the people there are talking about maybe get -- terabytes. Of course. It's also vote. -- -- -- -- -- -- And I know for a fact you read me drop some wicked rhymes that. I'm not enough right now we couldn't really read it's. Okay see you -- -- -- -- -- don't do this it was good it was nuts that that's an obvious thing. What's the opposite thing you -- -- could call them like Def jam. -- -- -- -- -- I've -- to the united history it has signed up so let's check this document and as you should all go and Adam on Twitter -- when it came up with this character called the her -- -- -- And he's been. Stating deal to run names all over his Twitter page check the -- -- one five you'll immunity yeah. -- hello Brett I've read you view -- -- lower quality media in my voice in the right so Jeff Bakalar says kicking in French -- in versions -- or eight. Don't get it twisted or -- -- corrupt your data. Oh yeah did you come up I told -- Coordinate you've -- nesting on that relies Floyd -- -- line that was on the people are freaking out -- yeah -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You're vacancy -- -- me. Yes you may get a movie. On the and I thought the dude -- like -- -- -- you hash tag it with a camera I have learned to. But the terabyte movies and -- are immune minutes tell me your movies and no more gigabytes more problems might have. That's funny that's -- -- Movie Munich and we'll. I got a hundred problems could actually is based -- -- Problems and a platter and I got 99 gigs if that's up. And in my -- Without music that I've -- that. -- -- -- -- -- I mean to make this a recurring segment did you have a lyric yeah in the same -- at the same sort of like -- Mean they get it yet email us that line and we'll really get carried away in the headline yes that weeded out and hash tag it terror particularly through one where the camera. Real good look at him and we there you gotta have. The man. And commodities at man. You can rent it and the out the that is though not until I'm done the mind sorry but I think -- -- kitty -- And hundreds yeah I am and and yeah. And well they'll they'll go looking -- -- it's the. That's great and get back to the situation at hand calls from the public man someone needs some help making a Smartphone decision -- the -- and and just opened up a Pope Levy and into human. -- -- Milan. I'm gonna mark -- mark on and yet and we'll -- you guys have to pump I'm actually considering. I'm kind of leaning toward the I'll watch it showed what. Yeah. Thanks -- it's so here's the deal I mean Wilson and I think we both understand there -- pros and cons the each phone via. I think when it comes down to is -- the forgy you're in that area that's pretty setting -- -- plus although the battery life fabulous stuffed up what you don't know why so you gotta take that into consideration. It will be cheaper for you ultimately. And you -- it through it comes down to I mean you know the iPhone for is a fantastic device. And I think the biggest I guess case for the iPhone is already have. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And I was gonna be -- regulatory if you if you have like extensive iTunes library if that's if you are locked into that world and I feel like the iPhone is probably the best way to go through the as far as -- -- media manager that you spent a lot of time. Reading listening to music might not drag on my iPhone in almost two and it's frighteningly double twist or medium. My that there is a Kindle -- you -- for Andrew is an -- and then. I think it they've just release one -- -- week. But I don't know how well it is -- and then as well and that's the other portion of -- like app developers are doing a lot more weight. Right now to violence sure that -- like the FaceBook app on an iPhone is way better opinion to address our -- is no contest. If you watch a lot of porn on your phone like I do I mean like my brother decade then originally only getting Tivo because then you can download apps that don't have to be approved by you know whether the rodeo has hit the Tivo and its it's it's doing pretty well so sure you know if you want a big screen again like -- -- -- -- expert as some people I don't think a -- in -- -- deal breaker. For some people I show them that they're like. -- Have you compared to iPhone -- screen the granite granite display its -- today evil -- at this thing populated him pretty good idea and ended yet you're not you there's no way someone would buy the phone because. That bought an iPhone because it's so much better yeah although I do have to say like if you are used to using my high res display link on Tivo like on the iPhone re going back to anything -- -- is here to her he really -- -- and yes. Also HDMI at a to a lot of video you know and I've started doing -- -- -- that HDMI cable. How close -- I'll click put his wife and her young and now again even -- I get purchasing -- Jones and I was getting when you look at all you're doing a few right now ban. I'm not like YouTube video yeah and -- -- the -- in the -- -- dismantling the if you think you I -- you movement that is -- and all that we'll that I like okay fine and then that Atlanta. Around the. So I hope that little you know and how cool would be it in addition you know had a retractable HDMI cord that I'm never that would be really quite good -- do you -- -- mostly. Yes but you -- -- -- -- with a -- -- yeah yeah -- -- -- possible anything's possible. Next voicemail this is from a guy needs or not necessarily needs advice but just sort of helping with some people calling up that relationship. Stuff like that with serious. Eight. -- -- yeah like the just conditions segment relationship good place for geeks and you -- -- there were talking about. Cooking -- source spokesman wouldn't be a good idea. I'll open you know what good thing the built in so clearly they've beaten. By the way you can tell it on her out on together and I think that's another. Key to a long lasting relationship her home opener for eleven years market garden though -- -- -- -- you would get you on -- matter. Start thirty online whatever and about what look what you know the correction so simple that just happened keeps and to do you to keep the relationship together and enough -- -- place -- -- you you that your mother and launch he would I don't know. -- -- -- it unilaterally canceling sound advice. Yeah really good at I think Jackie could speak to that because then they UN CT yeah ultimately video gaming Geek Out over a lot of the things that says that the whole -- -- friends that's she loves that stuff not to mention we're huge move the you know books we love film we used to do that together. You may be removed from. Dean. And -- then eventually. -- yeah. And -- Because we are huge hockey -- now if these loves the -- now and we go to as many -- you can and it's this amazing bond we have to those types of things. It's always very special to Geek Out with your significant. Because the -- and he -- What do you do and don't forget -- -- He should -- it pulled out -- you like your audience but hey I'm not. -- around I don't know man did -- -- you Gina religion -- -- yen. Always -- -- -- Oh and you say you together you -- you liking didn't they. -- -- -- -- Everybody's. We -- read -- in the resident -- -- actually we get them to please her body from Vancouver. They aren't they release it from Blake and they got that -- -- -- cellphone on public thing right so accurately Cooper are right it's called guard train and well. Elevated rail. You know. We've been able to use -- phone always say no. I mean you had to make a really big deal and I personally don't get why -- but why are very I think they should put they'll vote that service -- those and they. -- -- hear people. In the person -- organization. Is the train every game crowded. I literally jam you know everybody's on the phone company so that people are texting or using you know -- in the lab on the iPhone thing. You know this should be having conversation but it definitely disturb anybody. See that's the point. I I wish I made yesterday. Cool so -- anymore. Yeah what you want cell phone service because texting in the web and hopefully I want I think that installing. Yeah. Wi-Fi reflectors underground is a lot easier than I am okay clearly you guys don't -- the seven train every Morton now like there are plenty of people on the phone -- happy about it right where the -- -- our land -- thing beside it -- o'clock don't -- on I have had have been and of -- of -- -- -- don't support call. And -- and limited. But you know I think for every lunatic there are. Dollars and people -- browse quietly and kick it. I would love you know like the voice option to be. Optional -- Emergencies indeed and everything else though I I uncheck me I grounded email lately that you know you -- it for emergencies I'm sorry he just -- just what you need what we should also be specific you the story is saying that -- -- install Wi-Fi on platforms mezzanine and certain places underground but not in the tunnels -- and -- whether you're chatting on the phone and you can get it erupted anyway -- that even word you. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We gotta get -- here guys 186644. CNET is the number to call. Make sure you do that before report cnet.com please -- and email. Keep those -- jams for terrified. He could really us. -- stolen every bit of -- yeah. 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