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Ep. 1578: Who died to build your iPhone?
Today's January 26 2012. Mining Steven -- -- I'm Brian's song that I am Hollywood -- and -- buzz out loud is cnet's podcast of indeterminate length it is episode 15178. Billion and we are so happy to be here today for many many reasons mainly to the whenever we get in the -- together we get to do whatever -- all -- -- much.
It's like the dancing -- -- yet to see that in the pre show that's why guys of the comes of the show before the show starts we get to spend a good ten minutes talking about fruit before the show started.
Which was wonderful. For our guests thank -- I kept saying I learned yesterday Nigerian unrest very impressed -- Othello CEO of give it dot com -- -- --
I give it its while you're here to -- about it what is it.
-- it is the easiest way to privately share media.
We found we were looking at dumb what was out there and there's so many easy ways to publicly -- -- impotence and YouTube on FaceBook.
There was no good way to privately share videos and why would you wanna do that we think of sharing -- the same way you might want to share and email.
-- -- insert text you create a video and you sent.
And that's as easy it is with -- -- says Cynthia simple easy private way to share videos.
Is it because a lot of times you're seen in that -- kind of seen this how people are may be pulling a little bit away from their activity on -- because.
Now they realize well I'm sharing too much and it means I'm throwing so much content out there about myself.
Maybe it's time we've seen -- -- -- kind of pull back and realize there are some things that are actually more private and more important and I realize.
Over sharing alone.
First sharing like that and -- -- -- did they have an IR two dollars really good but the adversary -- he had an --
-- ligament and can be in the form of you know we we all have if if -- parent and you have videos your kids.
You definitely want a term that's what you -- cam -- Smartphone in the first place with -- new HD capability.
But the idea of the whole world watching a video or even three and -- -- of your closest friends and faced watching the video may not be so good I think.
Yeah I mean I have to say the solves a very specific problem for me as a -- I do you.
I ran into this constantly in -- frequently complain that there is no easy way and I literally said to someone yet to my son's father the other day.
It drives me crazy that there's not a better way to deal with video and why can I just text you a video at email at but I think it's too big -- --
Whole exactly lot of parents for sure.
So the so you know were around -- what I loved ones in overall and arrive at this guy -- they don't have an eye out for when you can't answer right which is a great segue because part of the but the primary uses firm.
They wanna -- a way of doing that you know if you're deployed.
You know -- time zones away -- -- it's that's doctoral work Treo -- don't have -- -- signal but it you can quickly record and if you Graham at -- -- you know counseling emotional hate belt and he's coming.
Wouldn't be great to sending the video -- to your sweetheart. And -- -- but you usually don't make luster was checked event member profile and --
How what is the mechanism is it Smart phone apps is there a software on your computer. --
Yes yes and yet so -- -- and it part of our from our whole thinking about easy is also universe so now we start off actually -- -- -- upload from your Mac or PC.
I'm using and -- if you browsers but we also have an early IOS iPhone or iPad so I was fact that.
As -- -- -- waiting for this again I was using my AdSense video -- often people using using our.
Peak activity here thank you.
And nasty CBS and CNET provide the finest Wi-Fi signal in the building metallic screen out personally we did I know it is really get.
-- one thing is that.
A file size limit or duration of time because on some these mobile devices now on your computer may be different but.
You guys have any restrictions to semen from a file size standpoint.
Today there is a one gig restriction.
From mobile devices are just across the board across the board then I'm but we -- that seems to me lifted we there's no limitation our technology to go beyond that so if you want to upload -- 45 gig.
A fact after -- -- -- just said I've got a five gig file and when in my you know do that Verizon soon send I'm so so please be patient through this.
I -- but get back culture of the question is we we really want to make it easy and and so.
Item we didn't want that limitation on the size that's one of the restrictions I don't think about these things I just wanna send the video is so let's just focus on that.
And -- -- -- handle as well.
We use email addresses so you can use you're you're used use your contact list and click click click the three mean that you literacy -- -- and hit the send button to.
But what are -- -- the question is is a the video also encrypted like with the military require that or is there you know what is the sort of security.
Yes we're a great question so -- there there is we are putting the whole level of encryption on this as well so.
-- RT -- for those early technical we're looking at that is PS we -- in -- PS right now to get into it.
So this is really meant to be super secure for you.
We really want you feel confident that it decent and video that no one's going to sniff out -- -- packets get access.
We wanted to be secure as anything -- -- else --
So that leads to kind of are big question which is if you have -- so let's say -- a hypothetical question my day to -- -- -- okay -- let's say that I owned Mission Impossible for.
And upload it to your site and I wanna share with a thousand my friends are there any -- -- -- in place to protect against that against piracy.
We telling -- to do that. But we also don't month product on either to protect your privacy and so it really is meant to be very secure.
And we know we don't want anybody looking at a content just like -- wouldn't want -- sniffing your -- are you gonna protect yourself in today's climate you know I mean I can definitely see someone coming -- thing you guys in the new mega upload guys act.
But I think the one thing we're doing is we're not making as it is public right so you can't go -- and so little a link -- that and then have ten million of your closest friends watched.
That mission -- right so so I think that's one thing and it's a seemingly you know when -- look at how.
The documents is impacted its when anybody can have access to those those -- it's really problematic.
But if you're sharing with your friends you know if -- copy and paste a CNET article you instantly that idea. But does include a question and more than --
Isn't this -- -- I believe in limited fair use and personal -- absolutely -- I mean I think that this should never be a problem right and even if I want to upload and add a daily show episode intended to make Brandon.
And -- you gotta watch this and that is in fact limited personal fair use.
That we've seen though that the courts don't always agree.
I mean the entertainment industry where does work -- -- -- -- -- more than a little heart so I guess the question is.
Are you guys -- because all it really takes we've seen how far they -- one file to be known to be you know on your site that.
Exists and somehow they find out hey there's a copy of that movie --
Are you guys worried about that.
In a you know do you feel that that's a concern for you guys are because just by being private by nature that's fine but politics as we've seen how far they reach -- do any.
Well I think what we we do is if they saw that we would -- the audience yet so we we can take down notice that we would -- take down so that's -- would follow the law.
I'm but again Hollywood have to go a long way and -- a lot of work to figure out that you and I are sharing video -- house.
-- used a song from Green Day site for example was the background.
Or pur for four people watch it just don't see that that actually -- -- -- playing out very well at Nvidia's streams only you can't download.
But you can we're gonna have -- so you can download your own videos and invite your streaming videos -- -- to you that's part of protection.
Now we're also looking at ways that -- and this -- -- in it yet but are sent out where you can get permission to someone to download so for example exposition and if she figured if you wanna go -- and edit the raw video and in imovie -- I wanna give her up mission without having to copy the file over again so we're looking at ways but.
Our people position -- security.
Ends and privacy so that means that until we can figure out -- way that we think are our users are comfortable we're gonna rattle off.
And then one -- -- is that as you guys are trying to expand -- really get attention on your product when I first read about it I'd first thought it was just a mobile product how how is that.
Getting noticed in this space of apps that is clearly -- you can get lost in the mix when there's something like over 500000.
Apps even available on IOS devices -- I'm not sure what the numbers on Android yet summer around I think over 200000. Ourselves on an Android also -- okay well then --
-- reach -- like this moment the businesses.
Got a prayer --
Get together so the other the other part of it is is that our our users our biggest fans.
And so every single time that you decide -- this -- is good enough to share.
You're potentially introducing a new user to -- service.
And so for them to watch the video they have you have an account.
And so that's really a big part of it is I'm went over well over 60% of the people use give it came in because somebody -- actually news service.
And so -- seeing a growth although it's really early and growth is doubling about every few weeks.
In terms of that so we're not big numbers yet that we're on the right direction -- -- improvement.
So how earlier that year are used sort of in beta stage -- -- -- -- -- -- like your new a new features are coming -- -- the security.
In not implemented -- the security in terms of -- organization.
Yes for access but it is and it is in doing so -- secure streaming yet what happened very shortly. It is that we're gonna have our our short -- feeling very shortly so this is -- apparently you know part of the process and that.
-- -- -- -- --
-- Molly like size -- I don't make a I learned about -- the new -- recruitment and -- a here -- didn't know about ruby red and it has -- -- -- I'm so I'm learning new appraisal time.
So if it is a very very close but it's very usable even right now so in the sense of -- a lot more secure than putting something on its accretive in.
Yeah that's great I love the idea of good luck with everything -- and -- this -- and mailing party and.
In San Diego and lots of in the Bay Area and it's there and that -- -- -- that this site right now is give it dot com the -- it looks like -- apps are available on Android and access them and I'm definitely.
For my -- bids -- over the you can sign up their email address or even a you can link with your FaceBook account is -- correct that's correct -- -- -- --
These are only noticed that we we'd like to advise -- that --
I think semi accurate and if I appreciate we're gonna take a tiny little break and then when we come back we will dive right into the news and hang with us -- audience.
We know we need to -- tiny enough to -- -- like kids in a chat and put them.
That seems like an awesome place today and happy late Lunar New Year every one that's right I'm gonna -- but -- any manufacturer Mario final read -- Los not a -- accident bring any -- guys I'm a little goodness and Asians I want and I -- what what what language that was actually actually -- -- that was.
This is Edison from her -- -- Brazil saying hello everybody welcome to buzz allowed cnet's podcast of indeterminate link in to be.
Which is an ancient extinct indigenous language from -- -- so -- -- wow.
Seeing and a -- -- -- -- callers Vicky Addison also meant that totally sound like an Asian language.
I actually thought I don't think I thought it.
It was lean more toward South America. For my area. And this.
I feel embarrassed myself still happy Lunar New Year and yet my when relative who gets -- -- random bullets -- your didn't.
At the time bombed and needed BTC.
We -- -- actually technically you do it because if you are -- you know.
Available on the market you are able to get a -- a --
If you're not if you're -- you can't get -- -- one of these fun rules. So technically my brother still has to give me.
The reality and it but I never ask that in its directory and replicate an X of X three -- says that -- that the that it mister Heath.
They gist is.
That they're going to unify their sites the press the sharing threat a significant entry -- the single user across other sites the result is.
That every one of their properties will now share information with each other.
-- -- some of the properties like Google wallet or Chrome the browser will not be included a bullet this allows them -- there's -- of two sides of this one in which they always are gonna push the --
So for example if you if you're doing any email -- -- Google docs based on the tendencies that they can pick up again the data that they collect because that's really the price of admission to.
Really use these services now these days I'm type in the word jaguar and they -- can tell from what I've written before in the past and a more of a car guy verses and animal lover.
May be in my YouTube search that will show up as the car instead of the jaguar that's an example they used.
Also you know based on location your calendar appointments you can be alerted to if you're late for deployment they're trying to -- the integration but -- on the flip side.
Is by knowing -- something that specific of your tendencies. That are going to also be able to target you with more specific --
Worst -- -- again damn minute it they they -- very clear on the fact that it lets them.
That at this point it's about creating a clear picture of you as these -- it's about having more detail.
About what you do so that you know the ads that you -- on YouTube are tailored based on what you have done on -- or in your Google search or whatever.
-- and some of those other things like they gave.
Think the biggest problem is that they went ahead -- -- some hypotheticals in the blog.
About what they could do in the future and that's what -- -- -- -- -- their cell like excited.
In the in the future we may be able to -- -- send you a reminder about how you're -- -- be late for your reading because we know what your location is and we know from reading your Google calendar.
That you have a and now so what it's like oh.
Which again that sounds creepy.
It does except that I totally want -- like.
I read this I mean my initial responses like can I don't get with a big deal is I actually think that's great this is the kind of unification.
Integration and Smart business strategy that Google has needed for a long time they need to have their support -- -- this well.
And I liked the idea that my.
I don't have to give a ton of information to YouTube necessarily tablet tailored ads show up -- bad if I'm gonna have ads.
I want him to be better and I do I want my Google standard content no where I am and then be like any fuel at that and I'd totally listed in the deployment earlier this regular have been pretty -- -- my public. Safety and you know.
I think also obviously the biggest thing that people are reminded about this is the fact that it's optional and that's that's that's the big -- through their night.
People -- don't know what's really happening behind the scenes and this is something that the general consumer we'll probably never know or may not even care about is the fact that you're opted in -- these services no matter what's.
Yet if if you could if they did more of I mean.
Don't -- Iran if they had rolled out.
Granular. Options -- be complaining that they're really confusing like FaceBook and if you could opt out like say I don't want Gmail to be included in the sharing him because that'll tell you Helena makes me a little nervous yet little checkbox and to sites.
I think that would -- gone a long way toward not causing people to freak out moments.
And then at the problem is also that sounds like one of the motivations behind this not only to create that ecosystem right where.
We talked about that -- ecosystem but now we're -- services like this.
Marry their products together so that you get a better cohesive experience the -- the other thing about this is though.
Where -- -- -- go there so many people here that are -- not stuck that are used legal services and love it it's not like all the -- -- gonna stop using the Gmail because.
Date these things are cross pollinated and -- the hole and you're not going to -- and also yet you've big tune they've really got you this -- this -- -- grab.
You can suck like if it.
If you take it -- at the other thing -- though is.
Google reported their earnings last week and one of the things that stood out from that earnings report was a fact that.
Their cost per click -- that they were putting out there has gone down in price our day it was less valuable to them and now is part of how their earnings were lower than expected.
With having more targeted ads your hope --
And typically probably will have ads at people be more likely to click on right so there's also that business aspect of this move that's part of it as well.
Absolutely I mean Google have to find a way -- -- in -- --
I think the defining war on the web right now is Google vs FaceBook.
And Google has to find a way to be as targeted and personal as FaceBook can be FaceBook is beyond creepy when it comes student -- the the level of targeted ads that they -- because if you're logged -- to FaceBook they're tracking you all over the and it's actually not very different and that's what I find.
Like if I were Google I'd be really frustrated right now right because -- you'd be sitting there thinking like.
-- exactly what FaceBook is doing constantly.
No matter what you click on any other site if you're like -- and FaceBook as long as they battle FaceBook API call.
They know you're doing and that's why you know if I'm searching for plane tickets to Jazz Fest in a completely different tab.
I go over to FaceBook -- and there's ads for restaurants in new world you know.
That is creeping that is creepy and Google is -- and Google is just like we just want to be able to do the exact same thing that FaceBook is doing.
With the the sites that use every day not just like one site that's following you everywhere.
You know -- space but never lets you log out like always logged in and Google always liked it that.
And that's the thing that is important to note about these changes you can't opt out.
But it only happens if you're logged in to these Google services so if you're not.
The big argument the reason that actually like pop congressional I'm privacy advocates got concerned and that -- is that gathers the one congressman who's on the privacy committee who was like well -- little.
Is because --
Because Android users are Android phone users pretty much have to be plugged in all the time in order to have the -- be functional.
And so they were saying that.
That although you can log out across the web from the various Google services you're you're pretty much I was like in an Android phone and so.
And as we know phones are repository of a lot of valuable information so that's the part where they got a little bit nervous.
And then Google so huge with Edward Markey.
From Massachusetts who raised a concern and because Google so huge and others concerned that the FTC might -- -- old woman.
That's what I was gonna talk about -- is is this because we've already seen Google go back and forth there they have hearings or -- see if how they're using this data rate are they actually.
Really elevating their products and services parents searched for -- -- now -- you have more data and more intimate data and knowledge.
About peoples in users you know what they're doing.
You've got imagine that that's going to be tailored to the Google search as well as what shows up on top they're not going to ignore that and I -- and not show you that stuff.
Now and to me that's the one I actually like I said I don't mind and I know -- sharing that helps me and if it means that the ads are more targeted because they already have that information.
It's not like I don't know they have it.
I don't want them messing with their search algorithm and I think that they made some changes recently that are pretty concerning.
In Marion -- -- Twitter freaked out because they they made that changed to make your search more personal.
Don't do that exact don't do that make my search more relevant because I don't.
I do not want the web filtered to just keep what you reinforcing -- -- -- -- --
Of the same stuff that I've been looking at in -- -- like.
Part of searches discovery.
I don't want to discover the same things I already --
Exactly one -- groove I want to grow until -- Harrison in as a -- myself I want everybody search results to be the same.
I mean really take out based on your search query they should always be missing that is the goal of search and -- -- don't want Google Maps app that does make nearly --
Not as upset though.
As the New York Times.
Like six page article seven page article this is huge on conditions inside Foxconn.
And that and basically a larger story about the conditions around building in electronics which has been a -- bubbling up -- for on time that this is.
This is an upsetting read and -- really important.
I think you guys should all take this out it addresses.
More specifically in this article it talks about Apple's dealings with manufacturers like Foxconn and suppliers and how they've dealt with.
The conditions inside of -- now they do point out and we all know that Foxconn does supply.
Product's final goods for a variety of companies like PL Lenovo IBM.
But this is kind of the focus on this specifically with Apple as we've heard about you know how there is -- explosion. I think maybe somewhere around four to five months ago.
And one of their factories -- where four people died.
But also just the overall trend.
Of how much are they really do --
To change and make improvements because you have -- on one side Apple just reported their earnings and we if you know or read those.
They were off the charts is 43 billion dollars in revenue thirteen billion net revenue record sales for ipads. Macs and iphones. Right.
-- see these numbers and Wall Street is just blown away by them but there's a cost that's involved in this in this is they human costs.
In these products how hard are they working these people what are their living conditions really like.
In this article the New York Times goes on and like we said it's a long six page article they talk about how.
Apple was once it was brought to their attention.
Apple was one of the first companies that's it okay were gonna do audits of these suppliers in factories.
-- talk about and point out where they have violations whether underage workers people working over sixty hours a week.
Six or seven days in a row how long -- -- shifts so Apple has tried to send out reports of suppliers and companies that are -- these policies.
The -- even then even at that Delray and the -- -- although they are marked you know mentioning these they have.
In their contract Apple says they have the right to terminate their contract agreement with -- supplier that violates these policies.
Well the ratio of actual suppliers and terminated -- the violations across the board.
It's -- is there there's no parity that is has an --
Hated me B seventeen people.
All of the contracts remain in place and these are audits by the way that have been happening in some form since 2005 they got a lot more serious in 2007. But.
A lot you know this article quotes several former Apple executives are saying -- if we wanted the stuff to stop.
It would stop their finding violations every single year in the audits including.
Dozens as many as seventy in one case what they call core violations which are violations that involve hiring underage workers.
And improperly disposing of toxic waste forcing people to work in patently unsafe conditions.
And it's sort of like they just read a story about here but the problems don't go away and it's really.
-- mean and certainly the times takes care to point out that this is that an industry -- issue.
But it does sound like other supply other companies HP Dell Lenovo.
Do a better job in some cases of terminating those contracts but Apple.
Has created such a cycle of constant releases.
And they've created such a consumer expectation.
And they squeezed and squeezed their margin so intensely that's always been there away that right that's always been their ways and -- and so there.
I mean there are several experts court in this article saying let's be realistic there's no way that Apple's gonna terminating contract with -- -- that is not gonna happen.
And there's no way that Foxconn or any other Apple supplier.
Has incentive to treat their consumers well because they have to cut costs at every single --
And here's another thing we talk about Apple's secrecy as a company and one of the issues at these reports.
Have shown is that Apple name these factories.
And suppliers but not where they're located.
Because of global secrecy when these suppliers sign agreements if you're if you're supplier in China and also -- like while we're making parts for Apple and have this huge contract.
And you sign a confidentiality agreement that says you can't reveal that Apple's when your partners in the reports -- doesn't reveal where you're located because the secrecy.
You you that -- culture of secrecy is going to permeate this and also we won't we don't know.
Everything naturally happening these factories you can even find all these factories and know who's doing what.
And because of that culture of secrecy that's that's another that's another reason why it's very hard to shed light on this and that's not a good thing that's a horrible thing.
And honestly it wouldn't.
Think the most in raging quote of all to me in the story with someone who said consumers demand new products every year that was such.
Horse crap. Like no they don't --
Marketing and a constant release cycle has convinced consumers that they can expect these products every year.
But lets it that is solely so that companies can make money it's not like I'm sitting -- -- like I don't have an iPhone every year I want.
I -- does not make it.
I mean that's.
You know that is.
It was something that has been conditioned -- and that's a cart before the horse kind of argument.
And the fact that.
Apple is sitting on an unbelievable cache of money that they -- thirteen billion dollars world tour -- revenue my friend that was the pure.
Profit part of their -- the fact that they can't spend my end and by many accounts in the story.
They have been warned.
Very specifically. About.
Aging issues and violations and not respond in fact they say two weeks before the Foxconn explosion. A report was sent to Apple.
Warning of unsafe conditions and according to almost all of these reports Apple just did not.
-- -- so they did take away of this is that.
-- as you as a consumer -- how much do you really care about the vice because we've seen how in the past sweat -- with that you know.
Nineteen gap in other clothing industries and people have made noise and protested against these companies for their practices.
Are we as a collective group we need to do the same thing with these tech companies and hold them accountable because.
I'm sorry I don't want to know that someone died potentially died at the hands of treating my phone that's ridiculous. It's it's it's ridiculous so.
It's really up to us to start realizing that hey this thing now we have isn't as important as these conditions that we care about and you'll Foxconn has some factories here in the US but one -- the other challenges that obviously the laws and what's morally acceptable in one country for workers' rights.
Is different than what's here in the US but it doesn't mean that we have to we should overlook it. -- --
And to my current has asked in the chatroom eyes and why -- -- only talking about Apple we mentioned earlier that HP Lenovo many other electronic companies do business with -- and none of them.
-- business on the scale Apple.
And none of them make as much money.
Off of that off of these it is -- -- -- mean somebody and -- pointed out.
On Krispy it was the fourth best profit report its fourth quarter thing of all time if they're if there are basically up there with oil companies in terms of pure profit.
They have the muscle.
And the market.
Power to make a huge difference here they've known about these problems for years and haven't done anything like the McDonald's -- -- when McDonald says okay we're gonna stop.
-- they MacDonald had huge impact on the beef industry.
And the way that cows were being treated basically because they said okay due to market pressure we don't -- you know -- -- have things be as inhumane as they have --
Apple's McDonald's and the situation and they need to be the once indecent.
Here's the way to look at this realistically effect if let's say thirty to 40% of all iphones -- that came out these factories were defective.
Apple would do something yet to stop them from being defective. Whatever those procedures or conditions are --
Apple should -- -- like.
If that's what's happening with their phones and how they direct the need to react the same way with the conditions for these workers have you know when -- first -- issues are brought up about workers being underpaid and overworked.
Remember Apple went and did an -- and they gave a raise a general raise a -- workers but that doesn't address the conditions. At the systematic.
Problems that are happening over in this factories so really if Apple wants to stand tall and look like the good guy.
Within the next six months to yeah I mean I don't know I hope they address this because Tim Cook.
His history -- his genius or his one of his -- was dealing with the supply chain the efficiencies of it at the margins so he knows what's going on.
It's really I find that really passing too because in some ways Tim Cook is coming out as the good guy brightly key he.
Restored charitable giving matching the Apple or -- -- for the first time something Nancy -- resisted.
Key is now giving Apple plays big discount on on buying their own products like you know heat in some -- seems like this really great guy but he is the guy who set up these manufacturing arrangement with its.
It's actually on him personal.
-- in a lot of cases to take care of this to deal with it.
And I think that it's and that's why we're talking spending so much time talking about it because it is really important like -- pointed out.
The consumer can have a big difference in -- how their past and their and and meet their needs to be outcry about -- it's not acceptable for people to die for -- does not.
Some I say I've got imagine with this long. Article that's going to get a lot of play.
The we're gonna hear something. You know in the near future from Apple -- they're not gonna just like.
It -- this one -- -- totally and we're not either.
In other earnings news this week actually was the big earnings report -- -- -- -- has -- a couple of them Nokia.
Reported their earnings this morning. And that it was it was -- property.
It did not go -- they sold on the plus side yes and -- -- is.
One million -- a windows phones that's a -- a 70800. They sold million of them but.
They dropped a 31%. Slide in its total Smartphone sales.
Can -- to last year to detain him on their last excellent one point four billion.
Of the -- a shocking. Amount of money they locked. One point four billion dollars plus side.
They are I mean that million blew me out phone march that's a good start -- like they they have bet the farm -- -- the entire company.
On those phones running Windows -- so if that platform takes off.
They'll be -- ish but they need area.
Well they can start because you know that -- the AT&T looming in 900. Classic about a hundred dollars march 18 -- march 18.
-- a hundred bucks I think that's great that's great that that phone for a hundred dollars. Awesome it just might personally right now my gonna switch my phone.
Meaning meaning a pain on what happens girl like a fifth do you hear the particular area all funny AT&T what you -- -- me.
-- not a chance.
You -- iPhone on Verizon for a hundred dollars -- --
And nobody nobody in the Windows Phone cellphone it's a Windows Phone phone so -- has -- as I mean really I think that is genius as long as they can.
Support those margins.
To sell those -- for a hundred dollars is a really good start because the premium phone Windows Phone operating -- super nice easy is wonderful.
A good start but they don't have a lot of time.
I -- so I feel like Nokia is doing something to try and be innovative and still stay relevant unlike some of our other friends that rim and like.
At least they're trying to and we feel like -- this at least has a chance just like my overall attitude towards Nokia.
You guys at least still have a chance accretive to be to make some sort of impact -- not -- sell 40% of all Smartphones like Android and Apple are gearing up late you know at least make little dent.
Just. Teaching unions from all because these are basically out -- -- and I've heard it.
I totally agree with you I think that am.
I do feel like they have a chance I really do and I think that that in the coming year to.
Windows Phone is gonna look like a really nice alternative impact we have a phone call coming up later -- -- that we can have this conversation again about that but Netflix. You're a shocker.
They did pretty well they bounce back with a predicting good Q4 earnings report in -- I think that it's an earnings was up earnings were up like 47%.
Yet -- CNET news story that was actually the best and easiest want to read it.
But they did Warren.
Some people -- that Amazon is coming like they sort of said we had a good quarter.
And despite some defections and the the obvious perception that we were totally in the toilet -- an element.
Say here's here's the takeaways Netflix ended the year with 24 point four million US subscribers that's when he 5%.
Up from the previous year and more import only.
It's up positive from the previous quarters -- -- that's when he three point 79 a lot of investors and analysts were wondering.
Will Netflix subscriber base actually go down so you get 600000 more subscribers sure those are knock -- down numbers but their act there's still the positive which is which is the biggest news for them.
-- -- -- -- the global revenues -- with an 876 million up 40% 47%. Year -- -- a good job Netflix.
They did -- as we mention about Amazon because Amazon is getting into the same sort of delivery.
Saying and I just want to make a little plug right now -- my -- twelve prediction --
That the way they're gonna take on Netflix just about Amazon is going to buy.
Also -- from their earnings Netflix did say that they do you have no plans for games.
When they talked about launch team that -- dvd planting that extra thing that.
Went left and a -- area that unhappy.
Anyways that they did talk about how their dvds subscriptions are -- are sharply declining for physical discs.
But I instead of and they will not be looking to go into the gaming side but they did mention -- 3-D -- -- it was a possibility for them they.
Also this was huge for me again they're gonna finally start offering separate streaming -- for families.
This is the -- solid awesome because husband wife can have a different view or mom and kid didn't in my case.
And they say that they are continuing to roll out Netflix for kids under connected devices and they rolled out the kid focused you buy an Apple TV's -- to meet an iPad.
I would --
They -- change their iPad you -- little bit big idea I mean they change it they -- -- great act like Netflix -- -- think is really the -- proceeds Netflix and iPad is is directed Mike.
Netflix BioWare and also now thinks that -- and little girl.
Because it could be based on the content that's -- consumed so much awakened by now is that -- -- -- his watch and see your eyes wanted them.
Think about flying horses and -- audience a we have that we have a strong number I think we have a strong -- contingent that I will not offend I will only embrace with more brownie I have adding the -- and includes but I.
I sit here and abroad and -- whatever I need a proponent of my child is reading.
We're gonna -- a quick break when we come back some fun fun product rumors our favorite.
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We are back friends welcome back to buzz announcing -- -- doesn't in determine links.
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Seem to be to run in the show as usual panic Molly Wood in the house -- -- and that you're actually.
Thanks to compliment I'm hearing thank you thank you for months after.
Let them and you know they're very lightweight and -- City.
That's that's the most important thing about those -- -- don't want an Apple now are right if you guys wanna talk about new -- hot stuff may be coming coming down the pipeline.
New rumors that the next iteration of Microsoft's Xbox -- -- -- -- bubbling for the past two weeks.
Could hit retailer shelves.
As fall 2013. The 720. -- assay based on on internal talks from suppliers that -- based on.
AMD's 6000 series graphics processor. Support 1080. 3-D.
Potentially six times the power of the current Xbox-360.
And possibly more importantly 20% greater performance than the upcoming Wii U from Nintendo so they're trying to LeapFrog that.
Console in -- before that -- console even comes out.
Well adds it's also exposed have a DVR built hue which can be an Italian says there's -- -- -- -- talked about that potentially -- -- you know patents or patent publicity.
-- -- -- -- --
Music as you do a show that also measurements rumor had -- -- -- its ten man -- so you may know a lot about those rumors those things that are true quick question -- where are we -- on Blu-ray with this thing bullies -- there's rumblings that it will include a -- they will change the Blu-ray format.
Another rumbling that's been coming out as the fact that the new next this is not in this article.
But that read that the next gen consoles will have this.
Ridiculous. Authorizing system where you can not all they're trying to kill the -- used -- I know where and -- unfortunately.
If you buy a game and is in -- do some pairing with your user profile you'll only be able to use it --
Potentially on that console so you tell me I can't take a game and take -- -- buddy's house and play on his console that -- bot.
And that does not just because the used game market.
That's balky as -- if that that's -- I'm on the -- I will boycott a console that supports that Democrat leader boycott I don't even need that.
And believed that often so Microsoft if you're listening now you really don't want -- you know you really don't.
Also that the whole thing and -- was in -- was -- console come in 2012.
I can tell you.
Really it's not as if you look at the games that are coming out.
You can tell that all the blockbuster titles that kind of like dwindling down 2012 doesn't look so rosy. So and that typically happens -- before.
The year before refresh so 2013 going to be the year for the council's C I didn't get saying.
He. And buy one of the --
I think PlayStation has little actually Segovia for the have to announce a new one -- -- -- --
I think that outsiders I would say -- Xbox -- because also they wanna get on the streaming media thing with it.
It's such a huge I mean the thing you don't talk about that much with Xbox is -- such a huge delivery system for streaming media and a set top box.
But I can see them really wanting to get that -- and later yet.
Anyway we'll see we'll say it other rumors. We -- discussing whether Apple's getting back on the summer release schedule for the iPhone. And -- -- those factory workers -- much -- Apple exactly citing a reliable source that Foxconn in China.
Our favor our favorite place to -- you imagine that it somebody with you know like when they show the videos of Michael kidnapped people who are just like I'm being treated fairly well they give -- and anyway.
It's access American they say that a handful of sample devices for the next iPhone have been floating around and that and new model with a four inch screen to be coming -- with them.
So this is what I love about this -- basically the takeaways -- that there's a variety of -- prototypes. That are different.
The screen might be four -- plus inches it could be longer and wider but it's not.
The same for factors -- 44 arrests so basically all we know is that there's probably an iPhone coming out this year.
-- acting. Like -- oh wait you mean a year after the for us.
That's what I typically mean in keeping with the exact same release schedule that they've had since the iPhone three G. --
Not. Only fact that happened. --
Motorola is suing Apple over the iPhone four as an iPad which at and be very sneaky because it toward totally just feel like that Google owns -- and yet -- -- regularly ever.
The other way and also recently you know Apple had had that had filed -- -- Motorola's filing some of their patents that ITC ruled in favor of Motorola Saddam liberals like.
There I -- their filing patent infringement lawsuits over mainly those two things they're seeking damages.
And a highly unlikely injunction.
Speed of patents RealNetworks was very into using mainly because it leads to so much speculation.
Realnetworks just sold 120 million dollars worth of patents to Intel.
-- patents and patent applications.
Which cause RealNetworks -- to go up 32% now has now how you make money in the new economy is just by selling patents back and forth.
But it made me wonder.
What does that mean for Realnetworks.
-- -- --
I don't know I I don't know what are penicillin means for real now -- right now they also sold though.
-- next generation video codec software and we know how aggressive Intel has been with trying to really.
Push their mobile processor platform.
And try to get in devices and I've I've got imagine that acquiring in that video codec.
If optimize properly with their chips might be one of those advantages -- a -- together.
To make a more media friendly chip for mobile phones I would we'll see you -- he hopes and -- --
So yet to be experiencing also what ever happened to RealNetworks will let some of them remember their thereof that was and laying out -- in -- DRM they had that.
In that tripped off the DRM from there from -- camp and then they got in trouble for that but they also had -- announced at last year the play anywhere -- just take all your digital file -- -- -- locker and then let you play anywhere it was a C we actually.
It was one of our cool hot things from CES 2011 -- -- it got and I feel like at a best of CES award.
In software and services because we -- like yes please I would like to have that now please.
The -- and -- one of those things though where it was.
Is one of those CES too good to be true.
It's not like they had the content deals necessarily in place like -- we been here.
RealNetworks partnership that all five major music studios and all five mode in all the major motion pictures he has.
They just said we're gonna make it's he can play your media anywhere anytime. Without -- deals.
They said as we shouldn't have to have deals which is -- -- -- because I own my media management will take it with my -- go buy a.
I can't imagine that -- epic posh pretty. Bunch aren't we do some quick list of when they don't -- --
And you may have heard it during the middle of the New York Giants -- San Francisco forty -- extremely tense and -- but ballgame and don't remind me vital that --
-- -- --
That research -- motions to -- those.
Finally stepped out at love that they release.
Right in the middle of that game in the entire tech media world of other -- otherwise active community.
Anyway Jim Ball --
Facility the feeling.
I call multi. And -- other -- have finally.
Decided to step aside leaving rim in the I'm -- very capable hands of Lincoln next act -- --
If I was rim I would try and look for an outsider to inject new life new blood and -- directions of the company which makes perfect sense of what rim is doing because.
They're letting one of their company's chief executive and operating officers.
To now step in as the CEO so we're talking about a guy I'm not you know I don't know about this man I saw video of him talking about what rim needs to do.
But this is not someone who's been working -- for four years that is here to change the culture. Of the company.
I think after that video came -- to their stock went.
And we like -- he basically came out and said we think we're doing everything right and we just need to stated Korea we just need to execute better.
I'm sorry -- I'll tell you what execution means -- next batch of phones is coming out in the second half of this year.
We're gonna see no new products from rim for the next six months and you tell me that's good.
Double water already like that go to definitely go check out make your reading it felt like it to -- that scene in Star Wars -- nanometer chips is first in command after somebody down enough to battlefield promotes the next do you like I'm not --
Think this is just so lazy like we just put the same guy in charge of -- that whatever.
Make -- -- has a great list of the ten things that rim -- did you immediately. If they want to get offered a watch list.
I don't see any signs of any of those ten things happening.
But we'll keep all you know a couple of -- quick points right court developer's idea you got a cell phones get developers.
Or pay them a lot of money to develop on Microsoft is now Microsoft Dana.
And it's worked eight speed -- Blackberry and get real or get rid of Blackberry -- -- Android Google Blackberry to be getting younger and it.
Yet kissed the -- the carriers but she says making so good it's a good cook and she's just flat out shot the company around try to get a much.
Samsung earlier this year already flat out tonight we do elements.
And as Samsung does everything Samsung -- make ten products in one category to see which -- popular. Like sorry -- we don't even want China again.
Now we have them anyway we'll we'll see we'll we'll be watching.
You've probably heard a little bit late last week about -- mega upload.
Which was anonymous taking down key -- -- federal government web sites with massive DD OS attacks it was fascinating to watch like it was January 19 and it just like Internet was coming down cholera.
-- global network traffic was up like 25%. It was at -- radio -- across the world where all these attacks are coming from.
Mainly I bring it up because many -- people email me and I hate this what are your predictions the rim -- -- I think one instantly when my predictions that was I think we opera I think I think that we -- -- out there.
I don't think that this particular thing may be rises to the level of the massive cyber terrorist attack that I was predicting but it was.
It's been under reported since then I think it was a very big deal that from what I here.
Got a lot of government entity is extremely. Nerve Netflix some kind of serious stuff was happening behind the scenes even more than -- -- -- --
But it was all caused by as we know all the and a five indictment against mega upload which was.
It. Was a personal file sharing site of that and with the keys and maybe just -- of racketeering money -- mean.
All the above the -- -- by the way that they would give me the point and --
I wrote a column last -- actually that I urge you -- to -- out about whether anonymous had been essentially tricked into whether the mega upload arrests happened.
Like the timing was not coincidental because of my sources in the hacker community were saying that the feds were kind of spoiling for a fight after the big so that people want to -- me come and that they may be had goaded them.
As an excuse to sort of right riled up -- -- -- against Internet can lead -- that fold out full scale --
-- -- -- -- --
Honestly stepping stones to launch in -- even larger attacks are you know they learned from them they figure out what they can do you bet her unfortunately.
And then they'll go even bigger next time.
They say in fact that FaceBook is next and that's how big they wanna go January 28 based.
They directed all that traffic that they it's in a distributed amongst those sites directly at FaceBook.
I think FaceBook is an impenetrable fortress than -- sixty.
-- and servers like they have the scale to handle 700.
Miller I have a potentially simultaneous users -- there's no chance that the federal government has even close to let's that's true restaurant that's totally true -- true even go -- at the -- iPad you know.
It is true it's not 700 million people all of --
By the way anonymous also took down last week CBS dot com.
They are and it from what I hear they're going through the list of -- -- supporters now and sending missed most about Lori L site will be down -- little -- in this.
But should do your makeup shopping now -- --
Through this usually wanna start let's let's get in a Stephen I think that we should just.
Hop skip jump to your video -- and --
Yeah okay we're of the last torment me.
-- -- logs seriously again that's -- comes to us from Nigel from London UK.
And he says I've been listening to be a wealth now for more for.
Now for more years than I can care to admit I remember the shock of -- -- Veronica was swearing.
By John -- hit hit the floor and -- wanted to share the -- video clip of my thirteen year old thirteen month year old son.
But doesn't accept thirteen month --
Thirteen month old son Isaac that I took my that I took with my phone just before Christmas.
He said this to me because he says this is especially aimed at you because you -- seem to be blessed with having little one of your own.
-- -- experience -- overwhelming feeling of joy when they do something special.
That -- melt your hearts we -- this is really cute video player faster body.
Stephen this is -- segment baby you can do whatever you wanna.
What -- the best competes in the world.
What are the best computers in the world of up.
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So this idiot that you Nigel acutely and -- bad -- --
I don't say little little boy who or what company abuses their employees and factories overseas. And.
I have -- a --
All -- -- worm is entered. Into a -- views are actually of some of the tidbit.
And doctor your -- Nintendo's video.
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- I have more voice mail. Our first caller -- -- to task for some generalized.
Employ -- and city last episode or -- -- back.
It's about 800 -- iPhone users Apple. --
-- extra. That users.
Outlook meeting at airport dirt on this planet rock or more -- its own on the market.
In United States and wireless devices. And we thank you guys you know I care what you like and -- Iowa.
When -- -- -- like windows or whatever you like that. Earlier war.
-- -- -- apps. Just like six.
That all iPhone users are cute shoes -- trial via dot.
How ignorant market. And throughout all current users are --
Think about it because I expected take other person's respect it'll what it's all I've got -- shot against.
-- happy new year --
We'll just let friends know we don't I don't blame us we've been playing that yet no play that and now sometimes I'm I think -- plenty of examples and -- show we do address the fact that.
Sometimes -- talk about are going to directly affect the attack crowd.
And then sometimes we bring it out to the larger crowd we might have been we were probably dressing the tech crowds visibly when we said.
Android users are sprinklers. -- --
I am I -- remember what it was that means immune to all. Of -- like.
How come odds -- -- -- be funny gardeners because it's also -- be clear.
-- -- -- -- --
He said that iphones were for people who don't want to deal with a lot of -- complexity.
All men younger it is an it and to add it as a general ally China is a generalization we do sometimes speak from our tech bubble and then sometimes you don't we bring it -- -- the -- crowd also we do.
But you can't deny that -- and started -- phones started hazard.
I mean they get it -- like that's their reputation. Although now this element being mainly because you can't even walk into -- store it's like you'd either by the iPhone.
Weary commander and into the -- -- that many if you're buying a Smartphone there's not I think one point the caller did make Dell is very accurate is that all Apple users -- -- bags that drive BMW's actually turn those actually factual so I have been -- -- -- -- now that I had a BMW -- before Dominique get a BMW eventually --
Not that there aren't next caller Jack -- -- smoking in Austin.
Has a little thing about Veoh client and -- why it's not caught on yet.
Joint venture of Washington. But -- last week's.
Episode -- it he talked about key -- time or -- telephone top pocket on the album when -- the other person.
And I didn't know why not catching on board is because it doesn't look like.
Back in the movie too wide to all these pockets of the art alone they're video -- you're looking -- them in the --
On video -- however -- -- in real life however.
When you try and eight -- -- you won't see him looking old way.
-- -- -- --
And if you're not paying attention to -- when in reality what they're doing their app discordant -- what -- -- looks like its occupants.
Tension in the Google red caps with Skype to people at companies.
And there aren't that video conferencing you always see them working away.
Again until you install. Appeared to him years behind. I person that you that you --
I don't think we'll -- -- video conferencing or video phone calls text. On the slopes of the great work.
-- amber -- and banana and come at the.
It's funny I noticed that all the time and as someone because I think we -- video all the time I always liked.
Make it a point -- -- between them you know person and into an actual camera lens can do that you can look -- you wanna give you as a power tip and this is some serious about this with him not because -- it was -- also it's like a little computer left at all of it is kind of.
Don't blow up okay two things don't look the screen full I know you want to actually shrink the screen so it's like just right below the lands centered.
And you'll end up looking just maybe an inch or two below the camera and actually looks a lot more like you're talking to them in the -- like a teleprompter.
-- -- also.
Sometimes people like to look at their thumbnail themselves I'm not one of them.
And so what I do I move it closer in the -- area where its closest --
There -- -- is so I can use Nazi myself and see them at the same time rate.
Is because the whole thing is there was looking at the little icon in the bottom I think are not -- -- on the top.
Shrink your screen put like two inches below the web camera.
-- you'll make personal connections like you'd never have before.
Eleven -- fifth -- and that's also.
It may be your packet read the whole entire book but in infinite jest -- Foster Wallace has the best aggression amber on --
Rise and fall of video calling the reason it's not popular -- nobody really wants to talk and video all the time.
But sometimes you you know when you're on a long Powell would we all know that we're not paying attention -- -- you to know you don't wanna get busted on every single crop.
Yeah you -- did you just it's the funniest thing ever like Tesco find it on the Internet and read it -- -- -- until Michaels of the deal but whatever when you have a long distance thing going on the -- video call up more.
-- I've perfected this I'm speaking from a user experience I've video call it my son all the time and I definitely noticed that impacted try to make it a pointedly but the camera -- so I -- -- that you can --
-- -- looking it was it was -- with -- my own picture at the bottom left hand corner again sometimes that does happen because -- mesmerized by.
How freaking ugly -- -- make everyone like well I'm all knows.
I have no idea -- -- now.
You should yes and you -- -- and -- it to re enter data become from a little bit of low.
Quite as bad the Agile like the -- -- -- -- -- acknowledged.
Bob -- Streisand and extras are right onto the emails. Everyone it is apparently according to Brian erecting its.
Australia day let's. I had no idea -- --
He's a tapestry it is so nice and input on show for us especially for this date.
Keep up the great podcasts -- the show can request -- -- Australian listeners made it is just feeling and for the press December.
All girls women should be shameless C list.
Surely is a great example of Toshiba -- brain dead body and her is this -- -- -- them at any minute need to become looks.
Like -- any says c'mon Harden up.
A real -- doesn't use hair products.
-- editor such outlying and it -- should be in my line.
Can I bites -- down and I guess Australians don't use their products and don't care about their hair and easily -- and I noticed that there.
You don't agrees he's not you wanted a -- -- -- do that.
Pirated other real men --
The -- and Mandela Russell Crowe Mel Gibson.
Who else -- Jackman Hugh Jackman. X managed to beat me up religion but on fast.
Also I -- all of -- reason -- sorely whatever the.
-- all right so we had an email we're gonna -- -- pair phrases because Islam but is an email when we talked about iTunes -- and how Apple is hoping to get iPad in the class -- and I.
-- to be on -- -- I am still scuttle the whole thing but it's not that it doesn't work.
On the RR writer Alex from Ohio talks about how in 201011. School year.
They implemented up a system at their private high school.
That allows students to pretty much for 200 dollars it's a rental fee to use the iPad for the year.
Each student then -- that attends the school pays the feet and then they get it to the iPad.
Upon graduation they can -- during the summer breaks however they used.
But -- ultimately says that the system has worked really well they're active features the work books have provided an upgrade over the standard workbook and I did mention how.
That aren't so tech savvy are really gonna have to adapt and learn and change their teaching plans as well as how they interact with just iTunes -- platform.
At least in this school he said -- had a -- is deposit -- reflect affect between the teachers since because.
The students -- -- kind of teaching the teachers a little bit so from a relations standpoint app but he just wanna give us an example that.
Hey it's not perfect he knows it as well but it has shown that it works in some cases only the public -- whole -- -- -- -- -- -- school.
And now my focus was -- predict but I you know when I first autumn like -- -- greater rich kids in private schools are really going to be able to take advantage of this.
You know right off the bat that -- my development -- digital divide --
I earlier this week we're having conversation about our top five -- -- -- five -- ideas like homeland public topics -- -- saying -- should be like top five animal means.
I was like dude.
Baby animal cams are at --
And then we have Lizzie bell about how the same people who did the eagle cam last year are now doing the same with the mama bear and repair.
Emma and I like enthralled Washington's -- I don't.
They placing cameras -- -- -- in Maryland and -- in Minnesota you can watch live video of the bears or watch video recorded earlier of the -- -- he has the -- and answering.
Suddenly they're --
I mean yeah like I.
Any shuffling there's quite --
The cease fire danger now -- -- -- -- -- public and okay guys I think that's enough.
It's a black furry blob -- ever.
This and he describes seen enough and I plan to go back to mind I think he's world Enron he's licking his parts no probably no other hair maybe Erica and I can't see ya where is the -- it was the baby Bear's head he was stretching before -- he's not in in my area anyway.
-- -- industry just what it does seem to stop.
Austrian just died in which regardless -- you -- you go on with -- -- -- care.
This one comes just put a status from Greece statements that this -- I would -- -- --
Hey guys great work on CES 2002 a Las Vegas it was totally the year of treaty pretty.
Just click and -- the worked soap but in Greek means.
Just go to Google translated if you want the --
Word to put coincidence thanks hello united flight bears crying baby -- --
Setup. And and a you aren't I'm sorry people that are listening cannot even see that fuel. Is sounded like a -- -- a -- to keep a -- chunky.
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- -- alright -- our beloved doctor Kyle and says.
The WB is pushing Netflix releases back 256 days 56 days and a WTF remember when they originally agreed to 28 is a return for more streaming content so -- now what a year later noted content.
Then they're pushing it dates back to maximize the potential of its new releases what a -- of doggie doo --
All right well.
Which I agree and I -- one -- that when you get Blu-ray disks from Netflix they don't have -- -- special features that you get if you by the death although I -- all he gave rise by an error the generic Blu-ray that's right that's right.
The consumer never win system to come learning MI plays a helical special features. The -- -- -- arbitrator put up.
Are you play it is you waited login -- next week hopefully we can view into it not into it this year at this week.
Or give any computer -- this little taste yet just a little taste maybe a bit.
Okay guys so we have especially now here come -- us from -- from for a lot of they'll be able crew.
I just only online equivalent of the girl who doesn't want to ask -- -- she injects a story about her boyfriend whether she has one or not in the conversations as soon as she meets you.
-- a chatting with a woman a work.
Trying to -- to to know me I'm into some photos app on FaceBook and she said send me the link.
But apparently. I'm only in the friends zone she fretted me with a FaceBook profile she uses for work contacts.
Only -- I realized she had another profile for real friends.
When Facebook's people you may know feature bus at her by -- him or her real profile.
Apollo twelve. Oz sex -- -- -- it and -- well done movie noon.
-- -- getting through granular in the world as -- get you so confusing. That woman first of all is a Smart lady -- -- create a work FaceBook.
Because have you had people that's -- way too much worry I'm legally marry and have them you know -- years ago like you have people.
That on the -- -- a fan page thing it's like if you like I want my boss and friend me on FaceBook how I can I not say yes to -- Boston's.
He's like boss and FaceBook is FaceBook greatly I know -- is -- -- for work people that's from all the time where -- meet someone at a conference like -- met some new people at CES yeah and the way to get in touch is to FaceBook.
And -- -- only accept that my FaceBook is my private space like.
I feel like I need to have.
Private FaceBook a person -- workplace and the fan page like all of that a month -- now.
I -- workspace but I thought -- was awesome -- first world problems.
-- -- -- -- --
I have to deal with a personal -- -- workspace template and a fan base but -- --
But didn't have a tool that does post debate that Twitter and Google+ a -- have --
-- -- --
Relations Google+. One it is it's an eleven mode as irony in that time degrees and everything and -- like.
Another -- when I heard about past I was like another GB data.
Don't even talk to me about another GD -- only your phone.
I and Gary -- -- I have a monitor and there you go down that path and cut down on -- Anonymizer and I and Steve got --
Awesome story from the New Zealand Herald that is basically a breakdown. I had no idea of -- --
Name it's not like user names -- actual person names are the most successful and hottest.
When it comes to attracting interest and making and connection.
And apparently rod is the hottest name -- others this is the New Zealand otherwise there may be an area.
Noting New Zealand bell is a big one thing and so on the dating website was called find someone.
And it revealed the list right so what do we have here for hottest guys names. Rod.
-- number one was Brian. It's not on the list actually president.
As Molly that it modest guys named Brad Lindsay Lindsay with their and a camera guy -- -- think he's rich.
That's a rich and really ruins and I think Vietnamese and be my guest Rick Carl Derek Jeff with the GE -- for all you JEF that -- -- yet diners got to change that -- enough to that there it's -- --
But -- -- Motorola Q also lived off Sean dean and Kerry Kerry interest -- hottest girls names all stripper named Becky announced it.
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Becky do yeah I think rich girl named Catherine Alter its name Jessica -- bird treaty through perhaps the --
I'm -- -- Shannon and Chloe -- go to and projects and eagle look I'm sorry but I'm not clicking on -- profile -- -- Or -- we gotta -- adding nearly -- -- enter -- network.
I bachelor's every day ever on -- this list will be in our show -- -- go check it out by -- -- -- thirty seconds at least hot guys names annual -- and Jessie Joseph Dillon Josh jordin Timothy Williams Thomas.
If you're part of the patent though don't name -- on her own name number Liam --
I think we've -- telling thing about that.
-- certainly much.
DL does cnet.com is where you'll find this link as well as links to all of the other story that we talked about today -- 90616263. Is our number.
And I that the and I -- -- That's awesome.
-- mr. that was an epic show.
We don't even get with the weekly.
-- outlined admitted to get stuff he stuck around this long and we fully briefed on the big screen -- -- casualty next week.
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