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Ep. 1523: Global cyber cold war imminent?On today's show, security researchers report that Anonymous and LulzSec are, if anything, just distracting us with their antics while the true threat is a years-long cyberwarfare campaign that's stolen everything from private intellectual property to...
-- -- -- Today is Wednesday August 3 2011 my name is Steven -- -- my name is -- -- And I am Molly Wood -- in a buzz out loud in what has been turned link -- have new might and we can't help ourselves from Ghana Iraq and them -- -- of and it of these -- than you might just trying to -- they're -- and you got the NASA and human life is at the same. Otellini -- stands to make the whole thing that you and I wanna guests are tyrant. You think you -- -- that I can but I can put my little I can put Mac on top mine. I know how I got I noted that many of your listening -- -- -- not watching and I wish you were because they wish you'd see that childlike joy. I'm BT's -- Like you've never seen -- lightly -- and ninety adds face Matt and collected space right Mac is a Naseem. Is eager. Don't mind if I did not say it like that -- -- -- Oakland -- on top of my microphone. As that are really. If there really hasn't really cool -- -- that -- happening in panorama like. Sorry if you guys are watching the media you miss an account you -- tech -- you are if you are watching idiot humans and. -- is out isn't there. While carloads. Of various human and -- -- aren't all that looks like a sweater that Graham and it for you on your mind you might wanna take that off. I'm I wish we get this technique is to the technique is setting a new areas and refugees and -- when -- yesterday America stop listening after twelve minutes Islamic it. A link at I had a girl or something well so we stopped -- -- like one minute -- work that we're gonna do grown up. Tech news now they actually. Potentially very serious business Vanity Fair is reporting that -- McAfee researcher has uncovered a massive. -- Cyber espionage campaign that stole government secrets sensitive corporate documents and other intellectual property for five years. This is wild for more than seventy public and private organizations in fourteen countries. The campaign was dubbed and we love the name operation that she'd be rat rat sense for remote access tool and this -- Implemented by someone through a Phishing -- clicking on an email -- downloaded this tool onto their computer and then through that do that tool. Hackers were able to -- those computers and covering of many governments including the United States Canada South Korea Vietnam Taiwan. It also was able to target specific firms or organizations. Like the IOC which of the International Olympic Committee the World Anti Doping Agency. And over the course of these five years. They were able to acquire extremely high level some classified documents some financial related information as well as targeting companies. Who's intellectual property. Was also transfer during this. Huge suck -- information and from what the report says it's still happening right now you know not everyone has been able to identify which computers. Are infected by this. But it's still happening today. And like you said the -- those -- the only victims that have been publicly named. What's fascinating is that the security researcher said that they attempted to contact some of the companies that were being. Basically just robbed blind in their sleep and didn't realize that and say. These hack attacks are going on and we want to help you you know. Batten down hatches -- basically and that a lot of the company is just flat out said. No thank you or did not respond or -- were conducting their own investigation of the allegations. We're not interested in your help that that -- He just said -- victims don't wanna know that their victims but the fact is it's serious enough. That they have to become aware of the region and get involved and -- a group effort to -- them. Now the where these attacks -- -- this attack originated from it's not clear yet you know but there are people inside. Better looking at this have alluded to the port to the point that it could be a state actor or sponsored by someone in China so that. They haven't officially said this yet but the but where this started or -- or the you know the motivations of the country that's trying to acquire all this information. And a -- and the targets of some this information. Points. To China yet the the researcher. Himself out Al Parametric ones first name. Hold on I'll find it -- appeared to -- major healthcare and it sounded great to meet ever. He declined to speculate although Vanity Fair and many other publications and and -- have not declined to speculate can -- -- because they think. What their Vanity Fair article quoted one person I think who else would -- -- as. -- -- now. On the whole other side of things because I'm always you know because whenever you talk to somebody -- -- you know that they're -- of like the anonymous world they're like. There's a whole other level to this. -- -- At least one person told me that that. There is a feeling among the hacker community that our government many government have been just looking for a way to like drum up a reason to go to cyber war with China. To stir the pot a little -- the -- -- little -- And that this could be just the kind of like pretext that they -- I don't know I mean this certainly is being reported and I don't have any reason to think that it's not a bear like a pretty serious ongoing. Campaign and frankly the kinda makes perfect sense but this is exactly the sort of thing that any. Reasonably. Evil. Of the nation they could -- -- -- did at this stage -- just say evil. It'll but it -- like who is not doing its level of acting if they can't even the US like everybody if if they are capable of it is trying to do this kind of hacking because -- Information is the currency of the modern world. And this is this makes perfect -- although if it does turn out to be. Sort you know state sponsored hacking -- at this scale it is definitely going to be a big deal -- I think it's safe to say. That 2011 and we get officially pretty much called the year of the hacker or the year of the -- Yeah I it's. And we're not -- any -- they said I didn't read -- article peppers and that it is telling when the history of 211 -- written it may well be remembered as the year of the half the night the -- -- -- -- -- but I feel like we were already there were already there but. Whether or not the US government needs this. Two to spark the fire. Did this is a huge huge -- I did this did you -- -- need to bring this to light this was brought to light by Vanity Fair they could use this as a motivational tool to then say. Are right it's out for us to get a not what anonymous is doing. Is petty compared to what this is right. Is a really -- this is stealing. Government information government data top secret files classified information whereas for and company and moral intellectual. Property -- -- doubt there's dollars behind this. You know. And on it did it makes I'm not saying that anonymous these ago -- a larger scale but it makes that look very petty compared to the stuff. But it's -- -- it's all part of. A -- -- -- there. They say they're engaged in Civil Disobedience -- aimed at provoking change and in government policies all over the -- so -- ideally their goal is totally different. Then you know. And stealing information for the purposes of a web concerned about is the possibility of like the next Cold War. -- -- Then that -- because we can once we get to that once we get to the war games Dave's the next called cyber war because cyber war is potentially. Just as damaging in some ways an actual -- like the little terrifying to think that these these could be. The first salvos in what turn out to be global -- cyber war. And we know where we know that the US is doing the same thing and other countries yet. In that that's the -- the -- under you know underlying theme here is sure it's happening in us and others around the world we're doing the same exact thing in other countries. You can't deny that. No I'm sure yeah and console -- so I mean please. About that at -- reasonably evil is like the wrong thing to say because what I mean is -- -- -- -- -- reasonably technically -- -- The new espionage is cyber espionage period so every country is engaged in this and and if we start to sort of like build up this idea of illegal or China did this really evil thing in it was operations eighty rat and now we -- Continued to stomp on your civil liberties to make sure that -- gathering all the information possible about you. From your ISPs because of the cyber war on terror like -- god a year ago now. And I think you're getting you're gonna hear a lot more of these stories because the black hat conference in Vegas. I -- -- get it might have either kicked off today arts it's kicking off this week. That which is about you know six security. Cyber crime that's happening right now so. This falls in line I am rich in line with a lot of other -- that we're probably gonna hear about what's vulnerable right now yeah -- got the look out for. What's been hacked what can be hacked. And it didn't -- it just becomes scary times because it's kinda like. I was thinking what is the consumer and on -- straight to -- I think about CNET and what what's our what's our take on this -- we don't have taken this is one of those like you can't do anything to protect ourselves and on some level. We are going to be just. Part of an ongoing cyber war and everybody is gonna be -- in the middle. Back to pen and Paper baby and the facts of the hands full -- -- -- -- ominous you know make mileage article. An -- and sharp in my -- pencils I gotta say. Donald bell into -- Imus thing you could -- better and better I know where to go and world enzymes gonna -- an -- Donald where where you. -- smoke signals -- only. Both signals very effective and uses the image I think imminent had -- -- -- Isn't it it's happening is and how he's -- line is it now now it's in its in its with black -- -- -- around the same time like with in the week. I ran an -- mills 1000 pages it is this week yes. Out okay -- I -- -- -- from people I gotta go I gotta make them all. -- also other reasons that I want to get off the Internet. B 200. Well while serious things are going on on the Internet. Hilarious. In his own mind Internet -- her for a totally perpetrated the entire app declined I accuse story. The Internet Explorer is for -- story that we had so much fun with yesterday not just us like all over the media every one reported this story. That supposedly all these people had taken his online IQ test and it was determined that opera users have the highest acute and I used to the lowest. Now it turns out that that was in fact an elaborate -- relatively elaborate -- the company's web sites. Was. Established -- as like a fake company. The images the staff images were copied from a legitimate business in Paris and then after it was reported this. Then of course the optic line person came out with -- He used -- convince the -- Here are some telltale signs according to optic quantum dot com that you should have uncovered the hoax at less than five minutes. One the domain was registered on July 14 when eleven. To the test that was mentioned to report the Wexler told intelligence scale protested the copyrighted testing cannot administer them and became -- that the -- -- the photo released on their report in the press release is the same with on the press releases and who isn't my other website think Google search reveals that. The address listed on the report does not exist. And so on and so. This is the age of the Internet my friends. Anything can look real doesn't strictly -- the direct quote actually was you -- -- -- -- we need to lead in Internet Explorer. Of course -- believed that it sounded so true. Well you know and I donated IA I can -- for the fact that I did not fall for it I wasn't yet that's. I was at there I was sitting -- when they saw. -- in -- On me yet exactly thank you smug little -- -- you know -- good job -- you've fooled the media. I wonder if you're here -- happy of one of the media's hinder the mainstream -- can even follow up on the fact that it was a bogus sorry I hope they do. Because when you tell people that you're dumb because -- an Internet Explorer I -- on something like CNN which did take of the story. You can -- should probably follow up with Alan -- -- design. A day and Intel AM in a job to job. Way to take advantage of the very well known fact that the media now is in center is for news that they don't always tactic -- completely advocate. Thanks for pointing that out again captain obvious. What would we do without -- -- Let's -- in the courts have unfortunately. Ruled against the dive and the MPAA is. Lawsuit against and that and -- -- -- is the movies streaming service that lets you rented dvd. And then they set up a single dvd player with that dvd -- the stream you. One single stream of the movie obviously the MPAA quickly sued because that they -- analysts seem to be exploiting a loophole. Around streaming because they said it's actually dvd and again MPAA said that it was a public performance. And that it violated copyright basically the judge ruled that in fact yes the length of the wire. Does define the copyright and ordered. Basically -- and -- an injunction ordered about a showdown for the time being the US district. -- -- So it is routes so where it stands now is that because the length of the cable. Extends to far. The -- that is a violation of copyright law. Yep that's what they're pretty much -- now. Does -- -- had argued that -- they're not violating copyright because it's just like a dvd player with a very long cable attached and also. That they are not. Putting forth a public performance because they're delivering a single stream of a single dvd to a single household. So it's not you know it might be one person or two people in a household watching a movie that is hardly like. That they are setting up a fake movie theater. The -- did say that they intend to appeal and I hope that they do because frankly so many the rationales behind this ruling -- just reject. Let's shows -- the article also talks about how -- mean. Then the copyright laws have become so ridiculous that the company likes -- -- -- is doing all this. To try to try you know Derek in on their side they're trying to find. A loophole -- a way to build a business with the laws in place via butts. Here with this ruling in the courts have then kind of re interpreted. Some of those laws and said now that if the cable extends let's say further than ten feet. You can't do this and the performance that is delivered to if if the performance this is -- another twist on this guys all along. If the performance is delivered to you in your home. Which is clearly not a public performance right that's one of the whole things about this you can't this can't be public performance -- -- redistributed without any. You know exchange of conversation but there seem because. -- seen this at my home and I'm a member of the public. This is the new distinction here -- -- Then it is a public performance which therefore means any of us centers watching any movie anyplace at anytime in our own private residence or private homes. That is the that is ridiculous beyond ridiculous anti you know -- a -- should really -- an attempt to prove this point. I think they should have some sort of thing where they run a freak -- Three mile cable from a dvd player into someone's home. Just to prove their point that this is a single performance. A single -- -- in a home. With that super long cable and it's not violating copyright law. That's -- they should do just that to step make that make their point. It's unbelievable the precedent so they cited an actual precedent. And it and their citation of the precedent does appear to be solid. And the tavern confirms intent and -- reports but. That the the this sense among the community of people who don't want copyright. Like to get so freaking insane that it will only watch a movie like in your bathroom because I don't know for some reason. -- determined that that. That ruling itself was really bad it was -- on command video court -- Columbia Pictures. Which ruled that a hotel similarly showing movies in rooms from a central system. Was transmitting the works and that that made them -- public performance that was the ridiculous ruling. This is also slightly different because it's not even a hotel it's your house -- -- And to literally make the argument. That even though the home is not a public place -- -- a member of the public and that means that that the copyright and is just like. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And see if this makes them think they they direct quote from it just makes you want to laugh and laugh and and then it just. It goes on and on and -- similarly ridiculous from their frankly I don't have a lot of hope that the data is going to prevail -- think that any. I think the entertainment industry owns our legal system so thoroughly at this point that any that clearly like this ruling alone shows. Any judge is gonna find. A reason. That you know well it's Tuesday in Mercury is in retro in -- definitely not illegal. -- in bed with them PA. -- yeah apparently. -- does that is just embarrassing. And coming out like I'm -- revive the culture that long as a critical -- ownership blog Justin post that paragraph. And be like this is what our legal system -- and money -- on now I -- there is a member of the public member of the public. Food and at what we first heard about the died along time ago we thought it was a really cool we were telling me. This is a really creative way about doing things but there's no way to MPA is gonna let them survive yet. And it that's the case and then it turns out that the government is happy to roller in the entertainment industry as usual. I am sufficiently -- out -- brick and rollers -- fruitless it. Other oil and we come back potentially wireless technology is gonna get better in her life I can albeit slightly more awesome -- -- -- pretty -- since you know our carriers -- Data. Also the Amazon App Store is judged by one developer to be brought into the -- -- And -- even waiting twitters -- was eligible bachelors. Does -- on it 00. Yeah yeah. -- -- know my name is and you go monthly you're listening to buzz out loud is cnet's podcast of indeterminate next. So tell me man don't tell me and a desire to deliver this -- -- -- that register for the shack cool. -- guys major breakthrough claimed in -- wireless technology. This is some really cool stuff now the man behind this Steve Perlman he's been Tenet known for -- -- at least a little bit of disruptive technologies or. Things that have changed the game a little he's the one of the co founders behind on live unleashing means gaming service -- He also helped develop quicktime video player. A with Apple and co founded web TV one of his new projects now though. Is dubbed. I I'm assuming it's -- Dido DI DO for distributed input distribute output and what this is hoping to do. Is changed the game of how wired -- wireless communications are sent. And -- and optimize system -- help us. Prevent from having as many dropped calls with all these multiple frequencies and all these phones out there that are trying to paying the transmitters and and get on the carriers. Yet basically an attempt to rethink how wireless networks handle interference. Traditionally radio engineers have dealt with interference -- -- to buy trying to minimize it or route around it because you know that interference can happen from just preponderance of devices all of the same area or. You know things operating on the same spectrum. So but instead of they say trying to operate devices on multiple frequencies or limit the power you know they've -- -- into your router -- -- -- -- contend -- that Madden my -- -- by the Muslim I think they'll. They -- -- is inefficient mainly because there's just so many devices around. Dido is embraced as the interference and uses multiple transmitters to create unique interference patterns at particular points in -- That essentially become a unique channels to which one or more devices can connect so you wouldn't have to have that like there are eleven channels on my router. You you have you have potentially an infinite. Possibility and -- in the incident -- and write data will create a unique He now. There are -- -- more sorry. -- that works because it actually gets better the more devices there are in the area and that's what makes this really cool is that the more Dido transmitters are there more transmitters there are. The more channels it can create and now the trick is via the -- about this is that. Even though there's more channels right the pros would be you'd get if you have your own dedicated. Let's say custom treated channel to talk to transmitter He gonna get that full band -- -- data right. The idea is fewer dropped calls -- this better speed and better reliability the obstacles though that the spaces that. The technology is gonna work on -- on a close radio spectrum -- one of the problems right now is we have so much of the current spectrum. Already taken up by -- you know Verizon AT&T T-Mobile sprint. That it would need to find -- more additional space and that's been constantly bought up by these companies and in order for something like this -- one of the challenges is. To find that available spectrum now when you talk about other countries internationally that -- that -- clogged up with as much. Of you know towers in crap that we have. It has a better chance of survive over there and then another issue is that. If you really wanna get the optimize experience you need a transmitter. For for premature dedicated transmitter for each device. And cell although they have built -- users yet user sorry -- there. But if for they've made this technology scalable they can implement a pretty -- that's one of the things sadly this -- -- just a pipe dream. But the reality of it is like that equipment and having all these transmitters. Might not be as easy to implement right back especially its own Cisco because let me tell you that we still haven't seen that additional AT&T tower. That -- been -- about. Berlet. With three years that's an AT&T doesn't want Cuba probably totally watts did it. He is that mean -- say Alex some analysts are saying. It's you know be -- huge logistical challenge and its its theoretical and not practical He says absolutely not has been proven in the lab it is ready for commercial use. As early as late next year of talking to potential partners and investors. That range from He said carriers and equipment makers to VC firms and even governments and frankly I feel like if you -- Google. He's 3030. -- -- -- and abatement by now they'd been active. In present and I'm inspector but. It's it's potentially exciting technology and frankly anybody who currently operates a wide scale network. Should want to get in on this kind of technology because it makes all of their stuff more efficient helps them with their -- with and some of the key thing is it. It wouldn't be able to improve our current Wi-Fi or three G experience for it because. Those items are pretty much like we said mashed up the moon but all the with all these other devices and transmitters and carriers are -- into that so it would have to again treatments. Treat or jump off a new spectrum that's not really being used right. So potential. It's cool -- it's exciting it's a great idea I mean we need to see in person but the implementation that you know from -- consumer levels probably at least two or three years away if it does can implement it. Yep I think it takes -- long time but eventually technology like that -- Eventually materially rules -- you know it makes everything work rate everything eventually technology will take other problems -- technology has created. -- -- Just be pasted a Paper and pencil maybe -- about -- worked bloody well. -- Actually a rare bit of good news and the US broadband market the FCC is put out a new study and says that. Broadband subscribers now. Our most of the time. Getting what they pay for what is the US. Sitting in fact on average major Internet service providers are delivering up to 80% of advertised broadband speeds. As opposed to 2009. Where. The majority of consumers were getting less than half. Of what broadband providers advertised as their maximum speeds. I'm glad they brought this to the forefront of FCC looked at cable modem DSL fiber to home services in the top thirteen -- providers. And at number one and the Indian emerald -- that came -- is providing their advertised. Minimum maximum -- speeds was. US Verizon yeah -- communication with the Fido service. The last line yeah -- -- -- -- The last one I'm sorry friends of Cablevision. Cablevision Systems was the -- in television and program to get -- than -- -- That's the -- -- Cablevision is actually the company that beats out Comcast in the -- most hated company. Paying almost every year I think maybe last year Comcast finally -- them in the most hated -- I think that lady is live diligent in their neck and -- currently. But I -- and I've read and although it's an easy for them to pull that off the mailman -- bios available -- well. If they don't still have files only available only -- cities -- -- -- -- is in New York, New York is one of them -- Bring it to the city by the bay who cannot. -- kind of we're like your baby were your target market. Interesting post over at shift -- dot word press dot com. That's that the I don't get to draw people just to handle any elements of jelly for -- All the good domains -- -- actually they didn't even register the domain. But anyway -- -- -- is and they are an app developer and they set off -- -- this whole sad story about how. They set up and an experiment into the world of the Amazon App Store because they thought it could be a great. Solution to the problems with the Google market. On 800 pounds. Now Amazon. We've -- an -- no. Does this all the time they have just read whatever of the day promotion free song of the day and then in this case pre app of the day. Now publicly according to shift -- their terms say they pay developers 20% of the asking price of an -- even when they give it away for free. And so that there's always a -- share but apparently. If you. Participate. In that free app of the day paying. Where you get massively awesome front page promoted -- Amazon. You get zero revenue. Yes so the whole point of this at least in Amazon's view is the trade off busy and again -- promotion which hopefully will help extend. You know after the promotion for your -- And then also you'll get placement after the fact -- few days later so a developer might say -- able to I wanna do this or do -- not. So what this company did with their app it was called. It's a it's a podcast -- like and I find this. An analyst house -- -- should shelling out of politics called pocket tasks ticket so what does that what they did is then they decided will internally do you wanna give. Have an app go out. For free with no compensation whatsoever just for the promotion is -- worth it T. That's that's that's the debate that their -- with literally so they did it they decided to go forward with it with pocket -- And they -- -- -- -- of their orders for the app which is initially or originally 199 cell. Previous days before -- -- -- orders of like zero to 214 to twenty on the Dayton. That their Apple was promoted. They had over 101000. Downloads of the -- which if played by the 20% rules would of the brought them 54000 dollars and but because of Amazon and -- -- -- -- -- -- -- but because of Amazon's rules with this promotion. They earned 0% now then you talk about what about the -- and they pretty much. -- dropped off like like cliff ANC anymore -- and that's the I see what they're saying ended there really kind of wanna bring to light that developers are -- really been helped out -- the Amazon App Store. And they bring up some other bull points like it takes up to two weeks for their apps to get reviewed and -- stated. Amazon has -- set the price of every one they sometimes rewrite the description of your apps they don't provide error reports like Google. So they're bringing the lights on the problems the Amazon App Store but I still kind of felt like this is like a boo -- woes mean there's good there's good -- -- out of it. But a few if you agree to put your app but there and the Al writes that we're giving you 0%. For that promotional time that's the medium it -- -- Well I think that what they're doing -- they're trying to draw attention to the -- because I think people when they see the free app of the David and over promoting its developer or that's pretty cool or whatever but the fact is. If that's the only time and that's the only way. -- you can get that promotion is to agree to give up any rapture as a result of that promotion and that is in fact kind of -- developers in fact that's great developers a lot. Like there's no you should Amazon should have. A -- and I don't know if other people's policies -- the same and I would be curious but they should just have a rotating promotion mechanism. Where they reward developers and make and the pre -- today and -- pony up the -- -- like you can't it's pretty easily the of them to sort of say. -- to put it out there in the public that they've got this like amazing rev share deal and they're really taking care with of their developers. But. Only if you know but if you want the -- that the prime placement. Then you have to give us all of your money and it's I know -- in stores people ought to pay for private placement and that's one thing like it's okay to pay for that placement. To charge -- but to say. You're only gonna get this promotion one time after -- you're -- and during that time the promotion you will make no money off of this is sort of like all why would any. Really the question I guess is why would any developer wanna be there what's fascinating though is that now they're saying that they are removing themselves from the Amazon store. But that Amazon won't let you do that. You can't remove apps from -- store unless you ask them for permission via email and they recently treated but Amazon would agree to remove the app from their store. Only if they also agree to remove it from the Google market. Which if pasture is. -- -- So they said at the moment their current account is like in the -- suppressed status then I guess its still up in limbo. Let you know I don't though the point of I don't know if Amazon our -- said. They're really looking out for the developers because we know how Amazon operates for the consumer. For the -- the final visit the final consumer. They're the one that always reefs there wars from -- on the -- talk about behind the scenes of what goes on. With the business the aliens and even how the company you know operates on really they're they're really -- like. They -- on slim pickings now. Across the board from operating costs expenses because. That consumers gonna -- up but this is this kind of really fits -- -- way. We know about Amazon's culture behind closed doors -- what the consumer gets as a rewards of that. But in that case I think it I think it's I think -- -- is not complaining if they're saying hey. That you know Amazon. Put forward this whole public facing thing about how awesome there -- giving developers 20% of the list price techcrunch says. That they quizzed them on the free app of the day and were very clearly told -- -- to a story which they were told. But even if Amazon decided with its pricing controls to make an app free but developers would still get 20% of their list price. If they give it away for free. Unless they do it that day when they make entry on -- day -- like basically what's happening at Amazon has a little secret. Loophole that really screws developers especially if they won't let them off the store without also demanding that they get off the market that would be -- anyway -- these guys said it. -- -- luckily for them but not likely for the developers. This is of their full time job so they're they're not -- but her by but it was just more of its its its good that they brought this the lights of people at least understand because I'd rather. Feel like I'm if I'm buying an app that may -- -- now. Some -- and I don't really let's say care about -- -- on supporting the developer is making this act like that's one listings sometimes yet. He had to get to the next alike will do I wanna Spore developer yes and I don't wanna buy on the Amazon App Store. Well our district -- the free promotion. Also to FYI for developers at like Amazon billed itself as the solution to the Google market problem and -- -- than that and and of Calvin ball over at Apple and and they're clearly not. Their plane that general not for developers -- maybe for consumers right. Yeah and I -- I mean sir I guess that you get a free app does -- now. Good job -- puppy. At least now developers who agreed to it maybe we don't have to feel -- guilty because they will have -- that this is that. Interesting comments from Facebook's marketing director and CEO sister Randi Zuckerberg. Who longitude it was during -- a Marie Claire roundtable discussion on cyber bullying and social media and -- session in a statement that she thinks the Internet. Needs to that anonymity on the Internet needs to go. Which is something that we've been talking about a lot easier as Google plus. Pseudonyms and it's an anonymous profiles and business profiles profiles are not attach your real name. And this is really interesting she said -- out I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away. People behave a lot better when they have their real names down I think people hide behind anonymity and the -- -- whatever they want behind closed or -- -- And true. True but. My you can still use used Billiton B that's that was one of the beauties of the Internet when it first started it'll make the Internet less fun no more cobra commander. Have. It. Adjusts. That it would make it more fun in some cases anonymity will make the Internet safer for people and and needs to exist as a mechanism. -- people require safety or secrecy or some form of protection. So it's it. I I think bit like this is why it's an ongoing debate within Google and elsewhere right yes and -- the lack of anonymity makes people behave better. But it also prevents. Certain. Parties from playing. And if they feel like they need to be anonymous they just wanna have a different -- like doctor -- I I think that. The trick here or that the context of this was in a conversation. About cyber bullying and social media so someone says you Al we should have less are we should get rid of anonymity on the Internet to. -- to help reduce bullying. Then I can understand why she might say that sentence -- flight she might say it in that context right. Not in the grand scope of the entire Internet in its everyday use but in the contents of bowling -- and even at that. Whether -- use your real name or not. Just like in the playgrounds bullying still happens yeah exactly it's still I'm gonna happen. That the red personal responsibility is what stops -- on some level and and and a lack of anonymity alone does not always do it and and there are really good arguments for. Especially. In a world where what ever you publish online can -- where FaceBook is asking you to give up. Every single personal. Piece of information about yourself from where you live to your phone number to your pictures to what you're interested in to who you like. And and by default make it public. Like at some point we should have the right not to have our permanent records. Attached to our names. And and that there got to be better when there's gotta be a middle ground in a fact of the fortune and founder actually made a really good. -- Argument for anonymity at south by southwest this past year and talked about how Zuckerberg and and now Randi Zuckerberg. Mark and -- have equated anonymity with its lack of authenticity almost cowardice and He said its authenticity allows you. To share and completely unvarnished -- -- raw way and in some cases. Especially with like content creation and it -- -- -- take more risks than that you might not otherwise take if you thought that your name. -- I mean some -- some great literature has been created under pseudonyms. By people who didn't normally write -- that style or something like. Anyway I think it's either either way to blanket to say. But if we're gonna stop cyber bullying -- -- of anonymity on the Internet is at the very far reaching statement. I also think it's usually in Frederick stories about things that people -- roundtable discussions like -- and I clothing. Asking. One club and like the the cloud itself like you -- why it in the -- I am not your battle room let's bring him back home photos and I'm gonna throw her under the prosper -- although Zuckerberg has engagement and its investment bank. And let's let's not forget it benefits them. Just as much if not more than that the you know what there are advantages to really using your real name on the Internet. And letting people know who you are because some. Just recently released you can market research firm out of Boston. Has posted with their real names that Twitter is thirty most eligible bachelors. -- All you they are and some of them really do believe that they are too sexy for measures that. Apparently that the big guys though the bachelor's had to complete a little questionnaire. By the way. Can we issue like really important -- disclaimer here we don't know -- this company Israel or the list Israel. Could be a -- possible that they made up everything little -- -- thirty those also matches you got to look at it you just have to look did. What. And if you guys can make that happen to anybody knows how to make it happen between me and Thomas changes mean that he's the one. -- -- -- -- This thing is the I think you could really work out. So. Does look killing guys I think I think I've found Molly's guy actually. It sounds payment according -- and I'm following right now our number two core in the line up. And that is one a 200 looks great I thirties mostly eligible bachelors that -- looks totally fun and cool I like that -- little keeps gone down afraid of being a little -- Yang summation persuasion. Want to go -- that. You would increase their intake comes up pretty seriously -- that thing and this guy hey what's up on baby let's let's this guy -- -- talk and exchange is the iron. I should've gotten the comment on this guy on -- the and here's what you said in his this is like it's all about his his answers that. What make and model -- best describes your personality and 1969 Chevy Camaro servers or convertible. Just ask my friends I've just within the past like three months of like you know what I need I need to buy -- 99 -- camera. It was meant to be. It's. I'm just -- we will waste your time anymore guys -- this list of all these guys staring. Less fully into the camera lands make it happen. The first data you've got -- the earth guy Saturday donated time and air on actual show we did it but we did it up in yesterday -- in yesterday's. Post -- the in the. Commonly Heidi just for you look them up later flotilla. It's just me and it's one thing that Jason Pollack. He's not new -- environment. -- the -- Console but -- letters to -- handles Jason -- TV He must be cool. It because He has TV at the -- isn't it these guys submitted like submitted to the survey and then. These four people and and we rip them apart either through here here -- is let's talk about this real -- These guys build a questionnaire and -- four chicks basically created a list from these guys on the Internet exactly and these guys voluntarily submitted data and pull in any other things other than. Yeah like I wanna do you know -- talent that deal on -- Chevy Camaro Catholic mass icon in. But worse. Quick hits my friends let's. Lebanon and. Apparently they competed in -- -- white -- what it adds you then -- it is the star of Hong. Be careful it's Tom -- -- Here that the these preemption HBO show. I don't have HBO but I'm gonna talk about we're gonna talk about tech because -- getting annoyed with -- now. Actually they're also in the chat -- I don't care. Eva announces anyone's had to buy the dip this -- is a one terabyte 2.5 -- standard internal hard drive at love that's hot. This right here in turtle is the key here. Are well I have to say I don't care because now that manifest -- never gone back. You delicate SS -- -- you know me. Via fast is launching a campaign. To. Notified it -- talked here. Represented and asked them not. To order ISP -- to keep knew lots about her online activities we talked about the story on Monday. These logs would ideally would potentially have the government identify the web sites we visit and the content. That we post online it's a mandatory data retention. And it would treat every Internet user like a potential criminal go to our show notes. Two basically fill out and nice little form to send -- note to your representative and ask them to vote against. This bill and then also you cannot spread the word and is -- and that. Also pop press. Acquired by FaceBook known for the interactive. -- -- as the interactive iPad maker tenants in that FaceBook would make an acquisition like this. You wonder how they're gonna implement it but. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And then literally on the heels and probably as a result of yesterday's report that the New Yorkers can make one point two million dollars -- of its iPad issue time. Ink has announced that it will bring all 21. Of its magazines not just to the iPad but -- -- Quote all leading tablet platforms by the end of 2011 I like that line at the end I know you do to the leading. They'll sell only a leading tab Ali Ali platforms -- -- -- at and that iPad and also meeting leading based on marketshare are based on what you guys decide like leaders that idol of the other and later -- -- -- Also all of Chrome -- get busy with insulin Chrome thirteen at the renders pages before you click this is an update they recently pushed out. And we do a Google search. It -- it calculates which ones they think you'll most likely click on -- some -- the first top ten links and it renders them in the background so when you click on it. The page. Like pops right -- and this. Makes Chrome that's even in more abuse like truth yeah I -- -- test -- side by side with safari safari. Chrome Chrome was a means so if you guys even if you don't like Chrome. Given a tried to download the latest version of Chrome thirteen and to see what -- time -- do a Google search adding. Even if you -- one -- two seconds click at Earthlink and it'll pop that. And as does a PSA though from asked you if you're worried about the band with. Situation that could arise from it pre cashing all of those pages you can disable it. Under settings Chrome setting slash advanced and then just uncheck the box that reads the this is not useful -- network actions to improve page load performance. You can't just say turn off and some pages so that I don't government bandwidth cap -- -- -- Google -- I don't. On is a front page of a website -- really taking up that much bandwidth people a front page but it's not loading the videos or anything like that. In an album alone and Santa's phone available with any benefit here and if -- -- thirteen and she had done on everything thing in Arlington dot com has not -- -- -- just. Anything better -- developer science. In news the company is you know -- -- -- thirteen. Sucks I know it's freaking hot so it also -- -- use it out on people have data caps and I'm just trying to help you out now. Plus speeds to 25 million users in its first month according to data from com -- So countering potentially those results but -- the people were already over it. All or a bunch of people have been trying and -- and and. And in a Twitter people that you love to follow if you're a real person knew Gingrich is accused of -- the -- of Twitter follower. Fried. So his followers spiked up in people or -- -- what's going on here so little. Doctor decided do little digging and come according to peak you could. Not not a Chinese dish. But -- has been claim means He used like this specialized algorithm that. Determines the validity of a Twitter account and if it's a real person. They have found. That -- there's this consumer ratio measure okay. Pretty much the average range sits between thirty -- 60%. You have a human follower depending on -- -- type account Newt Gingrich's. Was 8%. Okay the -- the team had ever seen by 5%. Of -- -- that only 8% of his followers are real are potentially real people. -- It's that -- -- it may be a good thing -- -- a hundred the count is closer to -- 106000. People are real. As -- post is one point two million take. All are -- and some of those -- haven't even put out a tweet ever. All blow. To be fair slate and Politico and political I'd totally trust they have come out no serious definitely goes. At a fantastic site. They have come out and said that there are supportive of -- innocent that they they say He had more than a million followers before it campaign even started. And Politico suggests that -- the reason that impact the -- in the Gingrich has so many followers. It because He was on that stupid pretty much ruin Twitter for ever suggested user list. That Twitter put out in late 2009. So basically -- -- the whole point of this funny all low. Yes. Got her. Said not all because current speaker of the house John Boehner and media maverick Sarah Palin. -- on the same list and their -- under the pretty well known name -- issues and -- Twitter follower counts combined are still lower. -- -- -- now -- -- that actually surprised surprising to me to believe. In Baghdad -- for a second -- in in north in a real world that Sarah Palin wouldn't have more followers and -- -- in the effort and a heartbeat. I get is really smart and if anybody was gonna come up -- only by some followers and make it in the -- and -- and music it's. Excuse me if I'm wrong but that didn't He use campaign finance funds to buy these Twitter followers. We're all really of that in -- story links. I know I would have fallen -- -- me off. Patio at the -- on him personally. Now -- -- -- -- the on the one hand you have -- which recently acting like made some noise for -- -- by reading an article about how tech news is really boring. Wow -- listen to our show lately have you listened to our show. This story is so we put the fun in -- and management authority needs congress -- -- -- dinosaur dig at. So -- did you take him did you take him up out of. -- back in Montana another reporter for the Associated Press the Montana I went on and dinosaur date with Newt Gingrich and Peter Fonda came over to T live nearby. He brought against big knife in his little anyway I'll doubt they'll have lunch and we any and He found -- -- With Jack Horner from. University of Montana -- there. You know let's -- lets people have to say dad that story was incredibly -- There is nothing they can about -- there's no value add to that's the very heat -- I'm fine. The video voice -- -- -- -- and and -- if you can customer and a former. And our personal and -- from lessons -- -- The them -- it. This is botched it when management formula. Another tragic story that's affecting all of us. Our own money whether it has fallen victim to Apple. Every couple months she -- and other Apple product. -- -- -- Buzz at cnet.com. Or call 106. -- 62638. And health care -- -- who lives and affecting everyone around her. -- -- -- -- here and there may not have the it was interesting now that either is he'd deliver relieve busted it what's up in the -- The animal cruelty puppy ad was -- in the background. I don't seem that -- and uses that same song and it makes you wanna cry. At that that's -- will -- that even no I didn't hear it either -- -- planet itself awesome. And don't worry many of you have emailed me to let you know that -- ruining your lives by -- At -- I -- I want to. At a higher -- then yours truly she's pursing these items from a new. And. Alright in our next video voice -- Chris in Dallas Texas. Very animated. You know talks about a theme that maybe we should roll with on this buzz out loud and Apple out loud. -- group -- christened Alice and I just want to say I think the idea of an Apple out loud would be amazing really. Dare I say magical. And it -- -- that you'd be on board really an agency Molly. Got. Just give in to Apple -- We know that you would do it me you're basically an Apple only hope you got an iPad. You've got an eleven. A thirteen inch MacBook Air -- like -- -- not with him and me. -- just go in. And it. And wants to talk to keep anyways Molly I think she just bite the bullet this September. -- the -- -- And let's -- this. All Apple all day. -- -- -- -- Things considered into that the it was also brought you by the five hour energy drink. I take I have of the five hour energy drinks. -- talk like -- -- Months television it meant that we we -- was it was really hide because really Malacca strait pornography out. Yeah and -- -- Lori. It's still a company in most of their policies related to everything everywhere. They can mean it's not like -- and getting more and as of the vehicles guys that ultimately -- you can comment. Definitely -- the fact that are on the email cannot hate back and monitor industry has no right and and I couldn't scroll down to see is -- -- -- -- -- go to the next -- now you click in the middle of it didn't like a little thing double up there I've that I have outsmarted Google dot it's just time. Does it I love the -- I don't ever ever -- to the point you've had before however. Only agree with half of what you said. About PayPal the other half sounds like you're blaming PayPal for the failure of the authorities consider that -- CNET was -- -- cyber attack it would likely. As not. It would likely ask the authority -- for help. Google blocked. I need help. The authorities at a press that He never analog data as part of the investigation at the business He should have some -- when you provide -- authority -- That they would use that data in a reasonable way to help track -- the -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The fact that the authorities took legal actions against people most likely are part of a -- -- and not the true source of the attack is not really the fault of the company provided a lot. However when you said that you didn't wish to use PayPal anymore because they block payment WikiLeaks I totally agree that -- PayPal only totally deserved and -- Although to be fair -- and you should also stop using visa and MasterCard as they also take the same actions of blocking mechanics and also. I'm not sure that PayPal was required to turn over a thousand IP addresses because PayPal the complainant so it's not like then the government came in and subpoenaed them. Instead we need all of this data from -- and my argument yesterday was that I think PayPal has been. Technical knowledge like PayPal more than the authorities -- stuck with a tech -- Technical knowledge or realize -- -- by a thousand IP -- -- probably includes impacting. You know. But thank you for the feedback -- may I may be wrong but I'm open to finding out. -- -- -- -- next keynote comes to us from -- Simmons in the Netherlands. A buzz through as a European. Another several commotion on your Wi-Fi -- half a year ago we already celebrated it as did the rest of the world where people use the proper date format. So on the eighth of February 2011. We had our Wi-Fi day. Love the show anyhow keep up the good work anyhow. Marlon. We live here what do you -- isn't it. Costs you back you have isn't that the law school. Governor Ed and -- said that -- Tired Molly mentioned to email if you you if you -- AT&T is throttling you well I feel that they're throttling me it's our last month that I noticed it right when it passed two gigs of data. I've come up of an experiment. I'll use speed test dot net app on my iPhone every day to test three GE a did this -- time today to get a good average and keep their results so that day I passed two gigs. I should be able to see -- speeds are being throttled. Will just see it I'm just seeing things. For a functionally be entitled only you know Kevin that commitment not fired up you could also make it -- graphic that would be awesome. Do the work for us basically translation do you do the work. Now -- know it is the -- -- has contributed so many things. Through the years well before I was here. You know we love it the -- is asking where Marlins from his men and yeah so you can hear me -- Asia. Did did we actually -- ever actually post those Molly Molly mystery He picks yet. Now why didn't come up because on time up -- contribution I need to talk about that ever. We aren't going to take a bottom we agreed islet like -- Atlantic. We'll never -- -- the man takes submissions when you're done well there were no -- -- -- didn't -- -- every one of you knows better. -- months that its budget pictures of -- with guns. We should read those that means it may -- of Minneapolis are -- email you're -- Pure Android goodness for free this one's from Steve's nexus S is -- at best buy today Android fans to be very happy. Every models Google's nexus -- is free at best buy stores T-Mobile sprint AT&T customers can get the phone is a new phone. Or upgrade -- with a two year activation -- best buy stores and best buy dot -- today. You Steve that was really geeky you are really -- now over the tweeted a nexus S phone is higher costs. It -- free. And if -- appearance. Except for how much it would cost me to get out of my contract with president. And then finally Toby from Melbourne Australia -- I assume roughly a billion people -- written in the same thing but if you look closely on the iPhone I've showed on episode 1522. It clearly says. Designed by uploading. In California asked that needed in USA. And it actually Chinese prototype that's how they spell it lets you know that they spelled Apple Store on the front. No air and -- if not -- I am that it's English okay -- playing. I play don't use it at that is enough -- the show in Canada and you know without that you don't wanna cut me up right now a tank and -- either sex Paterson announced. At below that cnet.com. 806166. Street -- it is our hotline keep them around 34 to five seconds. Would -- ultimate called about a specific started -- And now potter well let us know if you think that -- -- drumming up a pretext to get a cyber war with China or if you're actually scared. About becoming -- called cyber war. Or if you want to you can write about something whether -- -- -- anonymity on the entered yes is important -- there was a story that -- -- want to write about. Also guys it's Wednesday we like to -- -- little earlier now so that we can get them in time. We want your computer. All we do so and and honest England He picked. -- -- that she. Yeah. Like -- Check out -- blogging and by the -- dollars and a thirty to read the emails yourself. 1806 Olympics do you think the -- -- there and -- that cnet.com is our email address. -- -- -- -- -- -- --