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Ep. 1446: Cisco flips off the FlipTwo years ago Cisco bought a little video camera maker. Today it's letting it go, sniff sniff. Also lots of legal laffs today: The Winklevii refuse to give up; Microsoft calls out Google on Federal approval of Google Apps; and a blogger hits HuffPo with...
-- -- Today is Tuesday April 12 2011. Plus and about that allowed my name -- -- I'm Kent German. And I -- -- real live up to cnet's podcast of indeterminate length episode number 1446. When we finally got it right with you watching like no I'm talking about -- you don't take my word port. In the monkeys are running the zoo today Mali is at nab. Getting nabbed I think he's -- -- -- I think Brian Tong is either on vacation or a foot -- eighty with a bunch of other folks. I keep hearing light tweets -- -- really think. I don't know sic -- Hawaii -- -- not as Mac and I've heard Mac gaming announcements shrimp and something and it -- I get -- he told me he's. -- get your story straight and yet -- wire -- Eric -- Think way to -- below for him. But there is for us and speaking of stories not being straight Cisco after two years. Two years after acquiring the flip. Video cam. Best simplest video camera product ever. Killed it tossed it to the curb the -- I don't know 500 or so employees working on his -- getting pink slips and reflect. And there that's the part and if and let them. It's kind of tragic you know that the great thing about the story is that when Cisco bought the flip business or 500 some -- million dollars two years ago we in my heart I'm from buying a product. That was going soon to be -- deleted by Smartphones. A product that just didn't have anything to do with what they do in their real. Life -- me. Come finally flipped it insists on rate pros I said -- sentences the F Cisco got into the future business. You know Cisco has they they bought the flip. Think it I don't know why could they wanna do this big consumer play and we get -- time -- -- -- -- getting rid of it we can get my heart and batted against Wheeling choice Metzger. Except where we are -- are pro people who are losing their jobs which is quite quite tragic because this was. A revolutionary. Product in terms of single minded focus and and simplicity of design and ease of use. I have two or three around the house that at least -- giveaways -- tech events. And amp you know what a fun thing to do with the flip is give it to a four -- -- and take awhile -- -- the -- batteries are now and then download the videos that he takes. It's like that video they took a long time -- -- on the little -- let him on the cat's collar and you could see would have -- like the kitty cat was like. It's the coolest thing and who knows maybe can enter in some film school contest in in the can actually do pretty well yeah. People put their disposable cameras on a table that weddings and you're like are probably will never care about the photos at all that the fun things they get. -- -- time to take picture it take a picture your -- Yeah we did that we didn't get any but pictures about your wedding. Now I am probably better if you haven't noticed. That the others on the table and an open bar I think that's probably better. -- -- but idiot right and a lot of kids and -- camps I'm big but big fan of giving cameras to. Rank amateurs and by that I mean anybody under the -- eight. Great -- anyway it it is sad that the flip is going away. Everybody who said this is a ridiculous product because Smartphones will kill it was right. Meanwhile Cisco is doubling down apparently on the -- trying to roll it brought the -- which is this video conferencing system. Which is quite good and horrendously overpriced for consumer product. We. -- -- this and we all we all can -- a little out for let because. The whole industry I think those debt of gratitude for -- just innovation in design in its product they were a ton of -- quarters that could do this same thing the -- is that. They got rid of all the wires they did it simple and your grandma could figure it out so it taught us a lot in terms of consumer electronics that we can -- -- snugly -- -- It is very and -- you're doing or. In this product just got taken over products happen like -- they were just good for their time and place. And then something better comes along and now we have that something better. In our own you know that -- I think that we should -- I'm thinking have a moment of silence but not on the podcast. -- -- don't -- dead air but you're right we should raise raise a glass than the flip and -- Natalie I'll say you're actually right about except for one part of it which was at Cisco never -- bottom. Flip that the guys who created the flip did it all themselves Cisco acquired it they kept the development going in the camera -- ridiculous product with the flip up screen and that. Old -- thing which is ridiculous. And almost accessory products that didn't really matter. Flipped it this Cisco. Added very little to the product and then they're killing it I don't know flip couldn't survive without Cisco there probably on the you know running out of money anyway because -- saw the writing on the wall but. Your rights sold to a phone manufacture that would -- just men and it would live on for -- The one -- and HT Theres something to be intact and. But it's emit that I think that could happen I was gonna use and -- going to Texas exe hasn't seen -- bloggers and journalists use these to filming videos. And then watching them have a video cameras and watch a minute what's coming. Comic con men being their primary tool and -- last couple years -- to the conscious UCS. And in everything that -- -- and flips anymore they're actually using their own phones to record of countries and iPhone enters an Android concept. IA ER if you saw that transition to the phone and you -- think you know in this area a little before into the general populace but I. I think you ready -- sold it to that there are some phone companies that could use that technology made -- little more easier. Made equality a little better but. That a Cisco -- made sense to me. Now the one thing that I really like that Cisco and in addition to the the ease of use was the pop out that most -- USB port I have a Sony blogging which ripped that off completely. The fact that should be paying royalties -- Cisco or flip on it -- -- of the patents it has been filed yet but it will be. In Madden. Is this related announcement it at all but its popular stories capitalist. Amazon is releasing. A an advertising supported -- -- you can still get. The regular old Kindle. But you can now also get. The Kindle -- the called. I don't know -- just the Kindle -- 114 dollars. And it has screen savers that are ads and little banner ads at the bottom of your of your what your reading from time to time. 440 about the Kindle -- special offers. -- -- name plate. Now that -- -- Its descriptive. -- what they eat it in addition to -- that you will have special offers and it'll come bundled with an incredible deal on an -- I think audible audio books and -- special big group money only deals with itself. It's actually if it looks like a pretty good deal with that who wants at the middle there -- Answer creative mean that it is randomly chosen. Mid -- -- which you cry which reader. I don't know I know one of the things they're going to be doing is this thing called ad mash where they will give Amazon users the chance to figure out which ads they -- -- like. This head to head acting you pick which one you like -- panic outsource the ads and I assume they'll break economic demographic -- region stuff like that but still I mean. Think -- me about the earth to -- 25 back really that the -- the -- twenty bucks. -- that's how you get up for that advertising if you're planning to buy consumer electronic ad dollars it's not much secondly. -- -- -- and that I find particularly appealing what it. You know I'm not I'm not gonna wanna click through it -- go to -- Kindle browser instant miserable. So you know not manic -- felt actionable -- -- can brain and things I -- I think later I do you wanna use grants or whatever it. You know it it feels a -- Neil. I I agree I think the that this chemically from delegates and is not nearly enough I mean it should be you know a 100% to give these -- because you -- so much of your information. Which is a valuable await that Amazon and advertisers through this product that they should be given this -- you -- -- At the very least it seems a picnic -- an -- magic price point in -- the 99 nights but I really mean that that it I don't understand when fourteen prices resonated with people. I 99959. At I don't know I feel a hundred foot fifteen dollars at -- IB Kathleen always want more team and that's right. -- Now the things people are still going to be buying books on this thing so you get this thing away -- you drop the price even more. And you sell more books. I mean that's that's where am Amazon makes its money anyway. Right -- your marginal cost. Not even one at that it can that the -- -- at the three -- Is that only. Amazon. Halfway there yet -- Speaking of things that affect Amazon -- this is a really big senator Durbin is proposing Internet sales taxes -- this. Has been an ongoing debate. In Internet commerce for forever ever. Starting when. Whoever was acting out or wasn't brought in involved in this decided to put no sales taxes on the Internet. To. -- Push forward Internet commerce and help build out the -- Internet. Now that Internet commerce is extraordinarily well established and you've got businesses like Amazon ammonium you know basically eating the lunch of businesses like best buy -- finalists. It's people that states are saying look. -- -- In compact -- sales taxes are going to other states are actually not going anywhere as in so let's let's have sales taxes again and Internet commerce and them. You know it may mean something to say soreness at Stein. Dire financial trouble it seems like you -- you -- -- happiness today but they're they're they need money they think they're losing money from this so they want -- says they think the source of revenue without. Putting a -- income tax are putting into -- Texas you buy in the state -- at the -- right they have to. Are -- this I mean the argument. You know say what you will about our financial status Venetian but the argument doesn't really give any regard to what it might hurt in terms of commerce. Well you're right I mean that unintended consequences of this just as there are running and -- consequence of having. You know sales tax free commerce. Are going to be -- I mean. Prices for consumers will go up. On the other hand Amazon would say well script that's just opened but to stores and take on best buy directly in. Maybe who notes and think about -- on their part determining me just a senate after it determined text states qualities. And then. Putting them but in an academic future works properly is just an emitted allies -- if you after the physical presence in the states urged -- charge tax current retail. That's right that's why Amazon has no offices -- or or a quarter and business here in California. Because of California buys a ton of -- Amazon. But as long as it's up there that we don't have to -- -- that's on the stuff which you know consumers will think is great I mean. You know this question of fairness and fairness the states and fairness to state businesses. Which is I'm sure what -- is is after with this idea of Internet sales taxes but there is no way that consumers are going to go quietly. In this -- like what you gonna kill our our tax free Amazon no way so. Right or wrong guesses a going to -- an extraordinarily contentious debate there's no way can spin this is good for consumers. And get away. Even competent and long when it might be for business that that are. Any you can also look at the jobs that cost Amazon to close down their warehouse is when did these labs went into -- -- -- new York -- Hawaii. And the same rules -- Amazon just pulled out on and say they had to. Lay off the bench people who work in this warehouse isn't there and you have to think that the e-commerce sites would do a lot to go around this. Maybe you know Silverstein or something like that if you -- I I don't know exactly but yeah I don't it is being -- the consumers. This just then FedEx and UPS just bought another 300 airplanes because you're right I mean that the shipping would go overseas. -- And -- customs department goes well truly -- that there are more people. Evidently. Went up. In the -- side effects of this will be vast. Mean I can think of at and raise money. -- -- -- and. You -- for states. -- -- -- -- What right -- mean. -- that run for office I will vote for you in a heartbeat because that's missing and California yet come out here. Carty resigned may have seen them out your your wide open command. We need you we don't know what we're doing out here I tell you failed state of California. Villagers nevermind I'm not a political show. -- it -- -- you know can hours there I am. All right moving -- Let's move -- little bit of a break and when we come back the winkle by -- Lost their first or third or fourth lawsuit. Issue and they're coming back again they will not give up. And are right the winkle by the -- twins of Cameron and Tyler -- -- who sued. -- Zuckerberg and FaceBook etc. for their piece of the action from their time at Harvard and lost their most recent suit. Yesterday are back again they're gonna file and other -- to -- -- gonna file another suit. Their lawyer -- -- -- -- -- writes. That the case merits further review and wants the whole bunch of judges to sit together on bonk. Which is called an eleven judges all together and listen to the arguments again. These guys would just not give up. -- They are when and that the poster child and never give up -- there is little like motivational. Posters that the accessories office that yeah. Exactly -- pleased to have their -- prominent than purse with it. Yes and so -- -- apparently one of the things they're fighting for here is though last I mean let's keep in mind. They filed suit -- it's been up and down but they they're good judgment for the winkle -- twins what 65 million dollars. They're claiming that they've only received 31 of that. Which isn't enough are excellent -- to our house. These really hard them. But that. One. It it it well you know if you're entitled to a judgment in you don't get the judgment and the -- -- -- the -- there and it's with a pay that judgment is FaceBook. Mean far be it for me to come down on the side of these you know. People leapt thirty million dollars sitting in the bank. But -- FaceBook owes you 34 million dollars and FaceBook -- up it goes to form yet. Habits you have to go to court for not okay you just keep green -- I mean -- -- that -- point in this is to continue to try and get. You know more than just that a fan and I'm. Natalie you -- you have a very. You have a very good point considering the money that FaceBook has if you were to just send. FaceBook -- ill. You know an invoice in the mail think winkle false you know lawsuit -- 34 million dollars and -- -- to sign up had done move on next built please. Going to -- the expense way to do it again. Right and speaking of FaceBook suits there's and much more entertaining since it's percolating right now as pathetically at. The guy who. Contract and Zuckerberg and at Harvard to do some work for him. And one of the things he -- worked on was the FaceBook and they were involved in in the early days. He was paying Zuckerberg -- thousand dollars to launch the FaceBook. And Zuckerberg wanted to control of it obviously but -- -- -- late delivering it and he had this penalty. Clause which -- for every day that he was late in delivering it he would pay 1% ownership to slightly. Well apparently with eighty days late so -- and owning 80%. A FaceBook and then they agree to a 5050 split had more more fights anyway lately is obviously fighting for his share a FaceBook. And in the lawsuit there -- these emails here which are really really good reading. They're they're really between segment ends up over. They should make a movie evidence. Because -- way they did it. Anyways it's very entertaining I can't and the -- -- minor. All wasn't he was so minor that nobody remembers yeah apparently when he -- -- -- and -- Yet although that's -- such early days of FaceBook. It's basically was a bunch of guys are really smart arrogant. Are -- and using. Mean people definitely -- -- Harvard. Thinking they knew how to do business deals and completely -- -- it up and insuring themselves a lifetime. Of legal battles which is great entertainment for the rest of us. And as well this'll be the equality maybe -- -- you'll get it and -- policy eagerly it will be just as charismatic -- Mark Zuckerberg keep our new protagonist and -- So take two of the -- new movie sequel to the to the social network. -- please know that. Although I do hear that the guy who did the unauthorized. Is going slightly off the rails here unauthorized comic book of Zuckerberg. -- is is not going to do a second printing but it's gonna met with a different version which will have and at and quoting here from memory so if it's slightly off. Additional graphical content including. Fold outs and pin -- -- -- -- that would write to you when divert highly -- as Mad Magazine Fulton street and but decreasing but and it definitely -- different -- -- folder items -- belly button you can get into actually. And in other news of interesting legal maneuverings. Microsoft at one point was. Going to be doing business with the federal government is doing -- of the federal government and other gonna roll out a whole bunch of cloud based services and lost. The contract because Google said hey you have to open it up to us. Where another competing company. And -- -- this -- PR campaign campaign saying that our cloud based suite of applications will cost you less and it is. Federal information security management act his mama. Approved. Microsoft -- this finally and has -- hey excuse us wait a minute Google dot Google apps is not. Asthma approved. So this whole thing that isn't based on Google saying that work has not approved is a crock. Which is really interest -- -- of course he can't sell the Fed without having all these rules that are as it happens according to Google what's really interesting about this. Is that. Google apps. The version that any business can get. As we're hearing now may actually beef asthma approved what isn't is a special version called get this. Google apps for government could look at. So this special dumb down version the high security version that Google made or the government never got the approval but the old version did. And I'll just leave but he can't you can't make the stuff but yeah even -- so. -- here they can just pull off of and then Adam -- Yet was apparently that's what they did and Microsoft's that no that's what we do I mean no you can't do -- and Google apps for government came out of the one for this. Yeah -- -- and about -- right so but they -- additional stuff to make it you know government friendly but apparently they the prove that. Opened up the whole approval cycle it's like when it plans to do make an addition to your house you have to make sure not to change -- one thing that trigger -- -- audit or whatever it is. That's what happened. Anyway he read. This. This must watch -- -- -- by chip com. In. This is more legal news here but you know normally -- just a shy away from -- -- of the stuff is just this is that if from the department of economic step up. You know Huffington Post. Sold AOL. For. Several billion dollars an elliptical orbital slot and if you think about -- a -- courses that most of its writers. Our. Do it from up. They do it for the -- Now there's a blogger. Who is Jonathan Cassini. Saying that he believes that the Huffington Post blogger should get a piece of the windfall that. Annual -- to. Arianna Huffington Huffington Post because they provided much value up oh and maybe what made something want to right -- -- which from an ethical perspective. It's completely -- From a legal perspective though come on. That anybody force them to -- yeah I mean I -- I side with him from my my gut and my heart and my sense of what's right. And and all that -- like all those people providing free content that a proposal that -- -- Think those were thought they deserve a piece of the action. But legally are they gonna get it I don't see. How -- I I would agreement they agreed to do this they say it will account for free no problem right from the begin good exposure. The kind of come -- simulator and say if it did it seems like it would be an issue although I agreement I think they should just gets paid to provide content that -- The Huffington Post its were right but I mean it wouldn't -- opposite coasts where the servers and that's where content that I mean -- -- -- Every one got on board with this. Not even just from a class action seat that just from an actionable. In a call to arms and just stopped publishing today Buckingham -- for free they would have to show themselves as something that lives that they are not anymore they're not. Am not it's not Ariana Huffington voice any longer it's an amalgamation of other people -- just wanna be on that post and -- And then logging for them since 2005 say you never know animal long time ago it in -- -- six years of blogging at. It's possible that. Maybe he does promise some kind of compensation -- there doesn't seem to be the crux of this that eat it all of us are content producers and we know what it's like T maybe. Do something for free in the hope that eventually you become so valuable to the corporation that they start paying you for that unfortunately the media works less and less like that. On that that's always the hope when your writer -- -- TV personality or radio personality. Yet so the the thing here the lesson here to everybody who creates content there to. First of all don't write for free you don't do anything for free don't open a door for free and -- so that I -- making money. From the content reproduce the action do you produce don't do free I mean with these that would be able bloggers that -- -- -- bloggers all got sold a bill of goods. Which is and maybe some extent it was true. Right for us you'll get exposure and in some cases that is very valuable and if your business is for example. Speaking with people paying for and you want more people to read your work so you've become more important in the public -- to get better speaking gigs. Fine just don't just write off. You're writing. Jobs as a marketing expense don't expect to be paid for everything you do but if you expect to be paid as a writer. Don't write for free secondly. Lesson number two. That -- as a crack project -- man -- she got all these people to write for nothing good job on hire her to sell our stuff and. And how are now -- their -- -- -- I know they can resell it and give it to someone else and say okay we'll publish it in you publicists and pay me for me -- something even -- there for free there are they on the copyright -- that. Well you -- -- may each be careful though about. Encouraging people not to do things are free because sometimes. If you're just starting out if you're young college student and you -- do things in order to get clips and get your name out and -- network it's. But you have to draw a line in the sand for six years to be writing for free thinking eventually -- -- for me. Is a bit money. Let me let me be very clear about one of the reasons I stated people shouldn't write for free. Complete self interest complete self protection. Have all these all these people out there all these bloggers who are writing for nothing. And there. Almost as good or in some cases even better than people who make a full time job of writing and try to put food on the table by writing -- only writing. The free riders there are driving down the the money -- can make as a writer now granted more people get more content but those of us who write for a living. Are threatened by people who write for nothing. So part of me saying don't write for free. Is my own self interest and also the protection of people who want to profit eventually from their words you write for nothing you drive down the value of writing for -- but don't write. Or protectionist writing justice something -- labels yet equal pay forests and selling it people understand it. All of these. Epic aren't companies have produced newspapers are people reading newspapers -- at -- time it takes money to produce that. Rank and -- pay people to produce it and it takes dedication to be good that it. That -- is though that. The average person -- just writing for free thinking the Internet great the Internet is a democratization tool and it levels the playing field and now we a have a voice. That's not really true because the -- at the Internet is shaking out. Is such that the existing power structures the existing networks. Our key being the power that they had on TV and on -- papers and on radio on the Internet where it's not just average gel. It's getting their voice heard and says your you know writing thinking I'm gonna be famous -- -- -- -- -- in an army and Twitter. It doesn't work that way it's kind of the incumbent media that. Continuing to be incumbent on the Internet. -- there will always be people who are paid for it when you write for free you're doing it because you think that you will get into that -- system the -- ecosystem. Yes -- many people write that way and in some. Cases it happens but probably not nearly as many as people who write for -- expected to happen because there's always somebody writing for free coming behind you who will do it for free. -- -- -- -- it patriots ever since have respect for yourself don't don't do something for free for six years and -- And it set yourself a limit if you if you think you have a lot of voice that's valuable. Say you know I'll do I'll do it for six months -- -- three pieces. I'll do forever and then after that if you really think I'm good you say to people. -- -- And at the at the Huffington Post is where you wanna be and they don't pay anybody. Right for somebody else. Okay. Halo shedding -- one of -- blogs. The download squad which. Download squad and switched are both getting shut down data gonna live as live on as that searchable content sites but the people who write those sites are. Now writing for nothing. Actually not rating for not -- them they're just they're gone. So they're looking for jobs so more talented paid writers are out there in the field. First -- that's good news for us -- -- again it's our for more people losing their jobs -- it will continue its consolidated content. Also in the content -- -- very interesting experiment the New Yorkers during New Yorkers you know launched a pay wall -- kind of -- leaky pay wall where after you -- certain number stories yet start paying for content. But you can share content and other people can get it so more people read it which is smart. Other -- experiment apparently. Where they have -- like -- Where you can only read this one story they're experimenting with if you like it on FaceBook. I went to that story when you -- -- at a at -- I guess you can unlike I don't know -- that question. You better -- so you -- to -- as -- -- -- in your site them. You seem like a headline and then you click like. And yet popped up for you but I'd rather pay money then put -- tacit approval that'll go out to thousands of people. And advertise for another brand I'd rather hear I'd -- say that to New Yorker. Here's my dollar or ten cents or my five dollars would ever take the money nobody knows about it. But don't make me advertise for you in orders in store I would rather not see the story thank you. It is and -- Mr. security settings -- set -- certainly everyone on FaceBook with your friend it's gonna -- -- you like this would and saying okay which is of course the brilliance of the plan. You know but no thank you. And -- Natalie needed would you sign up for or the like wal. Not like -- right -- are supposed to be in its to ensure prompt service they just missed it in theory give it but for the service that that you get prompt service that you know. This is liking something of trying know that I late getting back after writing my like button. Yet you -- -- stands were -- Now port outward starter home they always have a -- England. Declaration. And -- -- she said it look at the future prep service posh OK other acronyms we don't know -- exist then it could be apocryphal nobody really knows. -- -- I don't quite understand we're gonna happen. Every now and then we have to go -- final -- -- just keep people paying attention. Other -- -- as -- but I will use that -- later in here and you will trivia night -- day. -- man. In the quick hits. A guy who used to work and it -- stroll a composite bicycle manufacturer and consult Apple is now full time Apple. Indicating people suspect that Apple is moving from aluminum. To carbon fiber for -- next line of Mac books on our phones or whatever. And I put the story because normally normally higher stuff like this is -- -- -- so so but wouldn't that be cool with Apple moved off of aluminum and on carbon fiber. -- just it's a bad -- Material yeah I think it's -- adding it sounds really cool you think is happening. I mean it act that in the -- preferable system in a plane out of carbon -- -- it department can happen. -- I guess they can dreamliner as anybody doing carbon fiber and a local -- for now I mean they're expensive and oh absolutely via its excess material but I hate it it sounds like Mikey. I can certainly see that -- -- Carbon fiber of course being lighter than any metallic material. And I believe. Locally sourced. Carbon of course -- there where packets that -- carbon fiber the fiber -- kind of -- -- I'm hoping attempt. But I don't know it could be cloth. And then a proxy to -- altogether I think it's it's I mean building carbon fiber equipment materials is is very time consuming you can't just -- it. The way they do with aluminum. I think it's people stuff related to that cult of Mac is saying that the new carbon fiber iPod so there are -- our current pirate bugs. Will get. Something that's we've all been waiting for which -- Wi-Fi syncing to iTunes. I can't wait for that and no more it's you know having to plug in. Your I device in order to synch up with iTunes and that's better than the current. And if you want to get one of those new carbon fiber. Macs -- MacBook or iMac or whatever. And you have an old ancient creaky PC and -- your IT department will not. Replace it for you with -- up to date one V way to get that to happen which I wish -- thought of it simply to take -- hammer to this thing is if you -- that Stan. Absolutely and. We when it -- to -- with. He genuinely hear with the chairman and Bonnie -- -- loaner laptop and -- -- -- -- -- -- It broke down -- the middle proposed it's an excellent show them and I was just texting parents that mass that thing. In -- -- pieces bring him back in a bag in return to eight. Sorry this is what happens I think. -- understand when I'm on it says shattered into a million pieces 2 and a morning I'm posting it -- teams that you know photo slide show that HTC or whatever that thing goes -- Right now the good -- -- into the extreme. The good thing about carbon fiber laptops. Candidate in a carbon fiber is that it doesn't bend it chatters. Doesn't it. Am actually them or does this crack and means not like apartments Corvette which -- -- two million pieces but eat eat eat eat that it breaks a lot less gracefully -- more dramatic. Guys I have it and articles and -- -- it turned back in -- in a couple of weeks. So. We can do a Mythbusters on my PM. It's a MacBook MacBook. -- -- but you can't you mean you you you can't take a hammer to a MacBook Pro because that's just I mean. Goggles might. This thing is that all that I'd only ever had one main computer at CNET and I asked for replacements double many times in -- three years here. And and it has no battery life unless it's plugged in my India this I I have. I have run it into the ground -- at every little counts of of used out of it. -- do me a favor take it with you because if you don't it'll go back into the loaner pool here and the next -- -- who starts work at CNET will get your nine year old MacBook. I now want to do that -- somebody know you don't. Well I can't steal it we won't tell them. From the airwaves and outselling both parent and you can't sell it of course -- -- you know right -- -- I would -- auction in a way that attic and that if there's nothing to do it like an app you hide it. Sabotage. Break it -- -- rivalry with your mini -- hide in my mouth and under the -- that with exactly. To allow. Unofficial Apple weblog is reporting that the iPad to somebody is experimenting. To do eight glasses free 3-D display on the iPad two and a very cool way now. In most cases when your request at 3333. -- -- the government drink and the way you do -- that with faith portable in particular -- -- you have to image is coming out and they just they they pointed different ice. But when there's only one -- looking -- -- -- a camera pointing at the -- you can know where the camera is he can move the images on the screen in order to match where the head is and that's what they're doing here -- using the front cam on the iPad -- To move the background images around. To make -- look like treaty which is really cool. -- -- -- Anyway so that's some that's pretty cool stuff you can't do it became it is on a regular TV that canyon. I am not sure we and I don't think you could because you'd have multiple users. I think a treaty thing that you know we've seen this and treaty and a couple phones and I. Yeah I first heard about it written and -- I heard a lot of people dismiss -- kind of out Writely who you know who want it who cares it's just monies come fluff features but. Now what I've seen in a couple times that you. I -- think it's pretty cool I don't know. How much ideas that one of those things but I think something like this especially appearances. Gaming which systems and this looks like and -- -- -- with multiple sizes on screen button. It does look it doesn't printer -- but I. I don't know buying. Real the -- and you are much the case. But we'll see if it actually becomes part of interface everywhere and image chat rooms winning and that's not there of Scotland which is true it's the same image that you get the -- -- It's it's when you move your head back port that -- looks like it's 3-D. Which for those of you keeping score is 3-D that I can actually use it -- I don't seem stereo -- you know. Were bobbing around all the time and how we get our 3-D cues though this is for mono viewers like me this would be way to get -- which -- kind of cool -- I'm in favor. You get anybody ever here think they hear me say that there's a three technology actually like it. Now -- second vacancy now. There is Leo little companies that I believe we've come a whole show without mentioning which -- Microsoft and a couple of Microsoft experts here -- mention. It didn't talk about Microsoft and Google at all -- Microsoft or whatever has slamming Google well there's more -- softness here at the mix eleven show. Microsoft is going to preview. I -- ten -- IE -- just come out. It's within the last three months. Well I guess in the job security program for Internet MX or developers there are now working hard -- and I -- ten. And all we know so far this from a area quick posts from our new MacBook -- -- green. Is that they will be really pushing up on the HTML five thing trying to get more and more developers -- html five. Which was kind of Google and Apple's big push anyway -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Which is good. If you are an html five developer may be not so much if -- -- to -- -- Adobe just think. Via flash seems to be going -- little bit. In other Microsoft news number two. There and reports are that -- is now powering 30% of US searches that is extremely significant. Of course that's based on it being baked into IE. A 30% in what year and half years is instantly -- Yet seen it done and here's the -- and -- -- -- -- -- an Android phones where. The good at being inspected it critically from Verizon were being as the standard search option and you can. You you can go to Google on the web on the web browser you can search there but if you wanna search -- with an -- -- got to -- -- That's pretty sneaky way an -- and those things that -- attitude is that you don't have to use it but kind of forcing it to -- because. It is there but. Many disparate trying to -- just wanna how much it being gets on more phones industries and and a mobile more how how that will affect percentages. -- I don't -- gets -- -- normal phones then decide what this thing but them Bing doesn't isn't that I mean and that's it plays on primetime it's it's it's quite good. -- -- -- -- It I know that and the general sentiment and we bring it being. If you're that the prize -- -- actually had actually -- iPad might they might aptly might surprise. While Brussels sprouts can be good heading -- barbecue to death in both public yet. Yes I continue to be surprised by up a good thing is actually to be honest with people a charmer saying that I. If you ask me. Steve -- just that a great story on and I. It its its competitive it's really finally a real competitive browser right up there with the other -- And finally -- Microsoft news. Screen -- have leaked out. That shows that windows -- haven't integrated apps store. Which is. Interest thing because app stores being way to go now when you have a gigantic market presence as windows -- you don't really need an App Store itself software. But that just so convenient for consumers. And to. Perhaps. But they're not apps it's -- software only it rarely used in this nomenclature it bugs me so much dog or not. Don't get me started an app is a software app when I was at CNET in 1996. We called pieces of software apps. Yes apps is short for application software application fact that people now think that the only thing that. Deserves the term -- at something smaller runs on your phone is a complete eulogized it's completely brand new apps offer up. To distinguish what mobile and what's meant for your -- -- not -- who cares and app does an -- -- model Apple desktop app whenever. I think we can or because we -- and their different. Well port now maybe it and I did I I think at its Wii or exit the -- that that PC manufacturers and and and PC software is. They understand that you know -- is software is an app that that date they are you very differently. And we should have some kind of terminology -- think that that. Distinguishes them the chat -- not agree. I don't think I don't think I mean especially in -- -- -- in between -- -- device platform like -- a tablet. It is that is a piece of software that runs on that. A mobile app or a software at what you consider its offer -- it's just an Apple cares whether you it's an app for mobile map for a big screens and app for a Jumbotron whatever -- just an app. Just an app especially in like the browser -- when -- something that runs inside the browser liked the Chrome App Store that's not an app. Whereas with its Microsoft -- maybe. I can be nice -- Challenges coming up with a better term -- a word as well according to Natalie the challenges -- with a better term term according to me it's like it's. -- -- -- So that's and I don't care the out of it here. Why can't I was I just I think I mean I see which are saying Natalie because it is it is little but a usability -- I I personally doesn't bother me to be able to say this is an app that -- on its announcement on the PC -- happening in a browser and -- it's a sort of raise -- terms. At any rate -- that thing that I think is really interest. Settlement. Taking -- -- -- web sites and making man an app that I just don't understand it like it's just a website that's not that's not an app. The developers would disagree with you on that won -- people who write web applications things that run in the background and web servers made those are those are applications there's offer them -- Maybe if we -- we should blame. Mobile app producers for particular word and turned it. Yeah that's -- we can do a whole show on words that have mr. bin misappropriated or misused or -- over time but let's not. I got an email from a listener asked them allowing a third of lake at the same thing I don't assassinate. A now I got an email from listener suggesting maybe calling them -- these things. Look here -- here when I was working in France up when -- coding and for in in French Switzerland they called they called it. If you had the app the applications like. Do you have the soft. Soft pop up there with the thought -- an epic into a program with a soft. In this for. English for -- Instance where the understudy team that we can debate that and then Molly I'm trying to get -- -- of the debate guys it's really silly. Added we have -- thing is about it email me because -- And urged -- cool thing here is. And the interesting thing is that -- -- will be opening an App Store for windows and I just wonder how much of it they're gonna take now that they Apple App Store. Software store. Takes 30%. Which seems like a lot of money -- Apple doesn't actually do much except you know put stuff up in the store. But that it's so much less than you paid generally for retail presence and and in some -- for marketing expenses that. That is actually helping drive down the price of software and apps. For -- that word -- for everybody so they could be -- uninteresting what and Apple and App Store application store. Does for the software market even at this late stage of Internet taken over everything. So Fiona -- and had to say that because I think that's a -- interest and. Okay okay. Here's hoping you'll -- the event -- of lunch my browser then abandonment. Here's an -- her -- -- and it's just the meant website via the -- I'm I'm with -- on that I mean apps that are just sites that are just links that lame. Our -- in science news. These space shuttles are retiring actually the very outgoing. But they are hasn't -- They are not gonna fly -- anymore and the question is where are they going to land. And apparently today the news is breaking that how how many are left that are. -- 3380. And -- residents and every ahead of its discovery. The endeavor. And where are they going now well -- the -- we here. It's like me -- lot of these kind of people New York City aviation. There are going to. And and now Atlantis is going to Florida. Discovery is going to Washington so I think what they mean that it's going to be who -- -- to. I -- that museum the idea to that is the coolest aviation museum that I've ever -- toppling it just went in and this is so there's a -- you can get this close than those of Concord we know in the congress and music you. The bar pays the near Baltimore -- -- -- Dulles airport. So it's it's the new grants of this system in space it's just it's not in DC and bright -- dollars airports are there for a -- whenever you need to go to the airport you can -- -- -- how many times have -- done that once back. Month. So the Atlantis seven if the discovery does go to Washington it would probably it would gas replace the enterprise which is the -- that they use speech was developed. You're denigrating and practical at a market in May not a flown to space but it was actually a space shuttle -- -- avionics they were testing the Tyler on it excuse me. But I -- and the NASA's call them. All right there try to take I rabbit that at China is -- because their Star Wars fans and I'm -- having -- we're not disrespect our president and I'm sorry. So that's going to new York and -- Apple. -- -- Touche Morris. Sent out earlier saints -- enterprises going to American Natalie -- they're gonna put it on the interpret. Yet the intrepid has had a big campaign to get it here in New York City for a long time actually he'd go there and -- the intrepid which is a great -- If -- in New York City I would recommend it. And the -- -- trying to eat says. -- have done something to Shannon and give money to it looks like they got there when there's a lot of people in -- who -- willing to put money behind it. They don't put -- on the intrepid I mean that space shuttles kind of big and the intrepid is I mean it's an aircraft carrier but still the space -- about the content -- on the -- doesn't concordes around the convention and it had an SR 71. Yet they do yeah. It's something like that -- -- it's critical to -- -- -- -- African name of this amp marine. That actually is in an ink well -- -- And they think sort of left in -- -- living conditions make the big guys -- used to be in this submarines would be -- for so long and they didn't have fresh water and it rejects. Smelly -- body -- -- so much at an Atlanta. -- with so fascinating. And go auto analyst equipment and are excited to bypass tedious. The to have the museum's -- CS interprets going to be intrepid and enterprise is going intrepid excuse me -- endeavors and California science center in line. Which is right -- -- coliseum and non. Discovery is going to Smithsonian -- -- museum and in the Atlantis is going -- the Kennedy space so three flying shuttles plus one. Yes the enterprise. So the before -- that people can see in the US and I guess and none in space I guess the big -- is that Houston is not game. -- Has been a habit pattern in Houston but they have mr. controller course -- -- irrigate. NASA. Visitor center where -- fingers Saturn what do you think would happen if if if aid that's their problem. Well. And -- He. Aren't -- other space news especially Kiki he had joked Natalie actually -- think about that one that's the fourth tenth and that there. Maybe eight may be Houston can get this. Seven. Foot or seven meter seven foot metal sphere with no parts left in it that was a -- a prototype. Soyuz space capsule which is being auctioned off in New York City. Capsule used to test run the the -- the box stock three K eight to be carried a cosmonaut manic in an alive dog in the space weeks before. -- -- three -- three. -- blasted off it's just basically a metal sphere made out of aluminum composite stuff. Much. Well for auction so pre sale estimate is two to ten million dollars they can definitely in -- Houston. -- -- space shuttle get a metal -- that. And shut up and get a space shuttle and the Russian hacker. That's it for the news we have voicemails we have voice -- accounts. From job. That all sources told him -- -- -- You question this sounds some -- -- tablet the past few weeks and saying he didn't see it anyway and sales and it's just what he found me in the public she anymore -- from them pretty much. In Japan on trip and have them all the time my only to cars as mobile soaps and instantly people walking the streets you can these -- And templates for them. It's -- -- -- -- with its content for you an arm around the time that dumps confusion for anything up just text messaging and maybe -- sport is these extreme shine you know you're -- -- so. So if they also note saying both real numbers of where they -- because I'm gonna bet that. Since of them and so here is that you regret. And right. Which. -- And health thanks for the call you know. It's interesting how different cultures and demographics adopt different technologies and mean I don't see any Android tabs -- -- -- -- -- Android phones. Bouncing have seen -- I've seen. Just a couple of on the wild man made it to friends that have them but realize that yet but I guess in Japan different. And think I was actually reading attitude that they're inherited Simpson's gonna release a Galaxy Tab and Africa and compliments or sometimes -- An article is mainly about how Nokia -- frightening because it's selling an 11100. Which is you know amendment's basic basic phones -- -- now that's the huge huge hit developing markets announced. And they actually how even a Galaxy Tab the price low enough because -- this one -- tablets first -- because it could even be bigger moment marked earth sorry I'm developing markets as well. Interest and again the price still does matter not everybody lives in Palo Alto yup and the Soviet legacy of that happens I mean if you have few people that have a Nokia 11101 -- -- in a tablet in the other. And -- a -- fascinating to see how they can. Important technology. -- cool stuff. We got emails Brian Netflix for you can't. -- So this is coming from Brian stuff radio crew I think I know why Amazon is offering a support Kendall's remember that rumor a while back -- -- A while back that Amazon was considering giving free candles to prime subscribers. I bet they would use at departed -- that they made the free kennels a reality think about it. They will be offering live social type deals of this it's very high profit margins. If they give it forgets where it -- to -- print subscribers it would vastly increased it by -- socially user base and thus vastly increase the profit margins. This would also be way to sell more Kindle books and investment even more money it's like it's like a free -- service a free -- service and device the people actually want. -- and -- like this -- -- show thanks and thanks thanks you know but it's. Free ad supported Kindle and I will still pay for one that doesn't have a spyware or ads on it yet. I would have been if you're gonna have have have the -- in the program as spyware and we agreed that mystery here. Let's. As schools will be for every kindergarten there in that means go through and here's talking about this story with schools giving away -- students. As called would be for indicate every can garner -- that -- school. District to get an iPad too I think they need to spend that money on keeping teachers in the schools. I know someone personally that is going to be a victim of a budget cut next year and several others that are not sure they going to have jobs in the next school year. In Maine the money they're spending on the ipads could pay the salaries of six full time teachers. That was a school that bought -- book there was a school that bought -- MacBook for all its middle school teachers -- eighth grade. And then laid off -- teachers and aides at the end of the year. I know that we need to get tech into the school since that is the future but maybe we should worry about the people teaching our future. First. Part we had the Vedeno in their -- -- the area -- like somebody's gotta talk about that you know the budget trade offs here and yet. How -- -- -- in the class burst having teachers there is the digital divide issue though I mean my kit for example is gonna have you know. Technology and his life no matter where he -- to school. Even if the school has zero because he's my -- right thing and that's true for a lot of people here even with parents aren't in -- mean people who are well off their kids get. You know their own devices are handing out like this whatever but there are a lot of kids who have no access that stuff so it's important to equalize them on the other hand. As -- points out here that does come at the expense in school budgets are so tight that this means that teachers don't have. I would -- teachers are more important technology any -- Well. I just botched that may be waiting for Superman must speak and it talked about how many you know -- teachers we still fun to balance them. In on -- you could make the argument and I'm -- chairman repaired to make the argument and milling about -- but. You could make the argument that if we have to continue to -- so many tenured teachers who are clearly not doing their jobs. Then the technology can step up where the teachers lack. I'm not gonna make that argument I would argue -- -- I would argue strongly against that in -- the show into a political screen which were not trying to do. We'll write that I think that we should at least at the counterpart and you and that's something that. You can argue that in in both both ways for it if there's a lot of technology they can make up for for teachers who are not going to -- going to a stomach and here. -- you know it could really make up for bad performers in any job is good management. Good oversight good management and accountability. And this gets in the whole discussion unions which again -- we usually don't wanna going to right now every night. -- -- -- -- -- Okay hi guys I do not work for the telecoms but I've worked with one trying to solve the congestion problem and they are not -- meter about congestion. -- about the percentage of people his data causes the congestion. Anyway back to Verizon the bottleneck can only network is not the connection from the data center. It's the signal from the phone to the tower and the old ATM networks going from the tower to the data center. That's the part -- whenever they try to. One method could be to build hundreds of new towers at an exorbitant price right now they're trying network management to beat out any little extra bandwidth. And we -- Akamai is not going to help because it fits behind the data center Verizon is the only -- that can optimize till the T Haller. And if they are not expedient that help. HTP and if they're not -- ED NH TT PS means they can't do any of that cash Sheen in the announcements on the. Yeah. This is inching amended the challenges of doing. Load leveling and and content delivery. Arguably. Should fall to the ISP and especially the that them. The fat pipe provider the point to point. Right or -- and so that's interesting point I'm glad to have this email because you know with such a complicated problem especially with more more people streaming things. Netflix taking up so much of the band -- out there so cool actually. Yeah I know it and cement aggregate pointed the signal -- the towers really. It is is really what causes the problem in a lot of cases -- I know that. When -- especially with the winner build an F fourteen parts of -- -- -- about Google and other WiMax and you know what the processes them. And I'd probably -- -- towers -- is that everyone wants service but no one wants towers and and that's the cities like -- to legislate what towers have to actually look pretty. -- they have to look be visually appealing that creates more -- export. I would like art project -- tower that's of the academy are college chemistry division designed cell -- How far over time are we right now. Oh really okay good to -- on our right. Road -- we wrap this thing up if there's been so long. Well we tell everyone we're done thanking her participating and the town and that. It -- -- -- that cnet.com is out. You can reach as -- -- email mobile out and beyond dot cnet.com at night. 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