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-All right. It's Thursday, August 29th, 2013. This is The 404 Show on CNET. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Richard Peterson. -What's up, everybody? Thanks for tuning in to the program today. It's a busy day here at the CNET New York office. I'm excited about it. -Uh-hmm. -I'm getting an interview to a gentleman I respect a great deal later on today. So, I'm drinking as much caffeine as possible. -Yeah, it's good. -So, I could get all jittery. -Balancing today. -I'm gonna get all jittery. They're gonna get in here and I'm gonna freak them out. -Uh-hmm. -That's all part of the plan. I'm excited about it. You're not-- you seem to don't care-- -No. I'll be there. I'm pretty excited. -Yeah? -I was a big fan of the state when I was on MTV like way back in the day. -Right. -But I haven't heard of any of their new stuff. I'm not a huge Reno 911 fan. -Because you never watched it or-- -I never watched it. -Okay. -Yeah, I never watched it that match. -Yeah. -But I heard they have a new movie out that's exquisitely really funny. -Yeah. So, our buddies-- I'm gonna call them our buddies. -Yeah. They will be our buddies. -Because they have not no choice to be our buddies. But Thomas Lennon and Robert Ben Garant from Reno 911 from the state from all-- lot of comedy I grew up watching. -Sure. -They'll be in the studio later today and we'll have like a breakout special feature edition of The 404 Show. -Okay. -And I'll be sitting down with those two guys and we'll be talking about their new movie called Hell Baby that's out on demand now and I think it hits theaters September 6th-- -Uh-hmm. -I believe is when you'll be able to go into a movie theater-- -Nice. -and watch that. All right. So, that will be coming-- that will be released separately. So, you'd be able to download it on iTunes and you can grab it on CNET.com/the404 as well. But for now, let's concentrate on the situation at hand with today's stories. -Yeah. Oh, man. -Yeah. -First, I wanted to tell you guys about this really good Italian restaurant I went to yesterday. -Yeah. -Jeff, I know you're a big fan of Italian food. -Mr. Italian food here, man. -My friends and I went to a place, actually right down the street. It was on 22nd and Broadway, and it's a little place called Olive Garden. -I love that place. -Have you been there before? -Yes. -It's so good. -I've only been to the one in Times Square, though. -Right. Probably the most authentic Italian food you've got. -Yeah. -And I went there yesterday with a group of friends. Turns out they have a never-ending pasta bowl dish that you can get. Did you realize that? It says [unk] if you pay $9.99, they have this menu-- actually, let me pull a picture of the menu I've had yesterday. -Okay. -You get to choose from 7 different pastas, right? And then you choose like whatever, like sauces you want to have like Bolognese and Pomodoro and Marinara and things like that. And then you-- like basically build your own pasta dishes and it's unlimited for $9.99. Now, I don't know why anyone else will pay more for Italian food in New York City when you get unlimited pasta and meat too. It's $2 for you if you want sausage or meatballs. But it's actually really tasty. If you have a participating restaurant in your area, I highly recommend it. Yeah. Why are you looking at me like that for? -Because I don't know you. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know if you're just trolling me. -I'm not. -Like if you're saying this because you think-- oh, I know how important Italian food is to Jeff and I'm going to just completely crap all over all of that. I really honestly can't tell what you're doing right now. Did you really go to Olive Garden? -So, you think that I actually just went and then afterwork I was like, man, I really wanna piss off Jeff even though he's not here right now. -Yeah. -I'm gonna pay $9 and force my friends to go to this restaurant just to troll you? You think I'm that dedicated for this cause? -Yeah, I 100% do. -Well, that's an incredible compliment and I appreciate that because I wouldn't put that much effort in. Yeah, of course, here it is. Man, you know what's surprising is that they didn't even have never-ending pasta bowl menu out. You had to ask for it because it was off menu. -It's-- you're not embarrassed going in there? -I'm not embarrassed because I'm going in there with like a sense of humor about it. What's embarrassing is that there were a lot of people there that were just on dates. There are families there just right in the middle of the Flatiron District right down the street. -Where the hell-- where is it? -Twenty-second between like Broadway and Sixth Avenue. -A lot of tourists there. -Yeah, like a lot of tourists. -Yeah, because they don't know any better. -And that's like the sad part, right? -Right. -Like seeing people in Olive Gardens and in like Sbarro Pizzas and things like that. -I mean, there's not-- -But I was there because I've never tried that all-you-can eat pasta dish before. It's a big bowl. -I hate you, man. -But here's how they get you, though. -I just hate, I hate you. -It's because the initial bowl they bring out is really big, right? And it's got like a big lip on it so it can hold all the sauces and meats and stuff. -Yeah. -And all the subsequent bowls you ask for second, third and fourth helpings afterward are much smaller. So, I think they'd get you-- -Yeah. So, they fill you up with the first one and then you're not gonna ask for more. -Exactly. And I asked the guy, the waiter was like people rarely get more than 3 dishes and usually they take the 3rd one home because you get free breadsticks too. -I'm speechless, man. I just like-- -I've finally done it. I finally said something that you have no response to. Oh, five years later-- -It's like going to Mexico and then going to a Taco Bell. -My job is done. -It's like going to Mexico and going to Taco Bell. It's like going to Italy and going to Sbarro. -Have you had Cavatappi corkscrew pasta before? -You know all that stuff is just like frozen and nasty. -I mean, regardless. -I want a guy who's like sweating over-- -Yeah. -a kitchen fire, sweating it out, putting my meal together. And he's gotta have a mustache and his name needs to be like Luigi or something. -Let me ask you this. -Right? -Yes. -Exactly. -The options for eating Italian food in New York are pretty slim, right? Like there's a lot of great Italian foods. -What? -No. There's a lot of great Italian food. I understand that. -So, strike that-- it's from the record. -But what-- okay fine. But there's [unk], let me finish. What's worse? Eating, going to Olive Garden and getting a meal served to you that's like faux Italian but they're transparent about it, right? They don't claim to be authentic. -It's called Olive Garden. It's not even-- -Or-- -it doesn't even end in a vowel. -Is that worse or it's going down to little Italy and eating in a place that's like sopranos-themed. You know what I mean? Like little Italy, it will be sort of a shell of what used to be authentic Italian food. -Is it literally-- right. Well, there's a few places there. -Now, it's a tourist trap. -Right. -What's worse? Going to Olive Garden or going to a place that tries to be authentic and they basically like? -Going to Olive Garden is still worse. -Okay. -It's still [unk] too, it's not even like close. -Okay then, for you. -But it's a good deal, though, it's $9.99. -It's an incredible. -Thank you, Richard. It's a rough economy. We're in a recession again. I don't get paid a lot of money. -You go there, man. -Nine ninety-nine. I ate 2 bowls and I brought pasta in for lunch today. -Right. I'm gonna go to China and go to Panda Express. -That's fine. Do that. -That's what I'm gonna do. -And if you got unlimited Chinese food for 10 bucks, I wouldn't hold that against you. -And it's like Americanized Chinese food in China. -Yeah. That's fine. -That's what the story I'm telling you. -It is good. You can't deny those breadsticks and pasta and salad [unk]. -It's-- what you did is offensive. -Why? Because you're Italian-- you're-- -I'm not Italian. -You're not Italian. -No. But what you did is offensive. -Why? -Because you're spitting in the face of a city-- -Of who? -of a city that is known for its Italian food. -Because I don't wanna pay $30 for a dish of pasta that I could probably make at home for myself. -So, you should have done that without respect to the hell out of that, a lot more. -No. This was a group experience. Our friends were there, it was great. -I'm sure-- I'm sure everyone knew you guys are there ironically. -No. -And then we're all like, oh, those guys are so freaking cool. -We work there ironically. -Those gangsters. -We work there ironically. -No, sir. -We're there because it's delicious. -You said you were there because it was a joke. -Not, it wasn't a joke. We were there because we wanted to try and we saw a commercial for the never-ending pasta ball in TV and why the hell not? You know, just because we live in New York, I think there's an arrogance to living New York, where you have to eat artisanal everything. -And you-- -And if you're going to pull later at McDonald's you're basically like a fool. -No. You're basically like burned at a steak because they think you're some kind of heritage. -Have you-- have I ever taken you to a restaurant where you've been like-- -Yeah, you wanna have-- -Where you've been like, oh, this is terrible. -No. -Exactly. -But that's not the point. -If I went to Olive Garden with you, well first, I've never been in one and I won't ever go in one. -Yeah. -But look-- it's a cultural thing, I guess. -What did that supposed to mean? -It's just a cultural thing, man. It's just like you have no problem going into an Olive Garden where I wouldn't be caught dead in once. -It was delicious. -So, it's a cultural thing. It's the only thing I can-- -Yeah. But it's just one meal. It's not like he's going there all the time. -No. One meal is more than enough to seal your faith of classlessness. -And you know what, before I moved to New York, when I lived in Southern California, my family would go eat unironically at Olive Garden all the time and there's plenty of-- -Unironically. -Yeah, and there are plenty of people that do that. They're just like, hey, we're gonna eat out once a week and we're gonna treat ourselves to a nice restaurant. -Right. Everyone's got skeletons in their closet, man. -And just because we live in New York City doesn't mean I can just go out and afford all this expensive Italian food. -I'm not saying you should. -It's great food. That's food science at its best. -Oh, yeah. It is a freaking Frankensteinian creation, I'm sure of that. -Yeah. -All right. Enough with the food stuff. Yeah. -Oh, I can't hold it in. This is funny. -The best or the commercials were like-- -Yeah. -they try and say that real Italian families go out and they're like, look, look, Papi Josepe, look. -Yeah. -It's just like what you used to make back in Florence, right? Or whatever. -Yeah, yeah. -And he's like, no, that is terrible. -Yeah, right. -It tastes like garbage. -It's way too salty. -It's way too salty. -Yeah. -And it's everything on the tables clearly been frozen at some point. -It's so good. Oh, my compliments to the chef. -Yeah, your chef. Congratulations, General Electric microwave. You cooked a fantastic meal. -Yeah. -Put the hell out of here [unk]. -Oh, it was good. -Oh, boy. -Shout out to my friends and I love my friends. -Blink Blue in the chat room says, "Isn't Olive Garden that one that says they send their ships to Italy?" -They do. -Yeah. I was just thinking of that. -Yeah, they do. -Yeah. They go, here's what none other food you'll cook will taste like. -Right. Oh, man. -All right. -Tasty. So, you know how yesterday we talked about how the Oxford Dictionary added 44 new words to their Lexicon, right? They have included like vom, fauxhawk, which we didn't talk about but that's added, digital detox, food baby, stuff like that and you know, I feel like-- -Food baby is just-- -Yeah, food baby is terrible. -Food baby implies I'm eating an infant. -Yeah. -It's so arrogant too. I think that's the most-- -What does it mean? -It's like death by chocolate, right? -What did they mean? -Like when people say stuff like that. It means like when you've eaten so much that you feel like your belly has gotten bigger. -Oh. -And you're like bragging basically about how much food you've eaten like yesterday at Olive Garden. -They should just-- why don't they just induct the itus into the OED as well. -That's basically what it is. -You know, or like meat sweats. -Yeah. -Like when I was at Brazilian Barbecue in Aruba, I got them their meat sweats. -Yeah. -Man, you ever have meat sweats, dude? -No. I don't know what that is. -That's what the terrorist say to us. -That is what the terrorist say but it's when you just eat so much meat and it's like so salty and delicious and you just-- -And it makes you sweat. -It doesn't really make you sweat. It just gives you that itus that like agita sort of thing, where you're like, oh, am I pregnant with meat? I don't know. Anyway, don't look at me like that. Disgusting. -I'd rather have never-ending pasta. -Yeah, seriously. -And you shut your mouth when you're talking to me, Richard. You shut your mouth when you're talking to me. -The last one that I thought was really funny is me time. They added that recently to the Oxford Dictionary yesterday. -What? -Is it me-time? -No. It's just me time. Two words. -Like any time. Okay. Okay. -Yeah, yeah. -So, before we get to this, though, -Sure. -and this inappropriate and relevant e-mail that we got yesterday regarding the OED. This is from our buddy Rich from Cleveland and he brings out the point, yeah, we like to make fun of the words that get inducted into the dictionary. -Right. -But we also have to realize it's not like the OED is saying, hey, these are real words now. They earn the same right as, -Yeah. -you know, any other sort of word that in the history of English language. They're just recognizing it as common vernacular. -Yeah. It's like colloquial for them. -Right. -So, that makes sense and I understand that, like no one is looking to that dictionary for official words. -Right. -Right? I think it's more for the Webster's of the world. -Right. -But anyway, the new words are always a never-ending debate. Whenever it comes out like sexting last year, we talked about it, but it really might not be as big of a deal as we might think because a lot of these words just aren't gonna catch on and have longevity, right? Like in ten years, I hope we're not still gonna be saying sexting because hopefully they'll be some kind of new virtual reality thing that would take the place of it. -Hopefully. -So, the Atlantic sort of ran with that story and they did some research into tech words of the past in the '90s that were inducted into the Oxford English Dictionary, the OED. -Okay. -I like what's happening here. -And so they sort of called up these words again and they posted them on a blog to sort of see if they've stuck around or if they haven't. And somehow, and these are the one they really nailed in the '90s. So, boot up was one of them that was created in the '90s. We still use that. -We do. Yeah. -Yeah. Geek icon for like a computer icon, right? -Right. -Karaoke is one of them. -That was like a new word. -That was a new word in the '90s. Yeah. -Wow. -Very strange, I know. -Did you know that? -No. I thought that [unk] that's been around since the-- I don't know, invention in China. -It had but the reason why-- was karaoke invented in China? -Yeah. Was it? -No. Are you just saying that because you've seen a lot of Chinese people do karaoke? -Yes, yes. -And every karaoke place you go to, they're all run by Chinese people. -I think it might be Japanese. -Is it? -Yeah. -Yeah, I think it's Japanese. -I think it's Japanese, sorry. -Yeah. -You're just a racist. You're just a racist. -Again, shut your mouth when you're talking. But no, I think in the '90s it became popular because that was around the time LaserDisc came out and that spurned an entire generation of karaoke for old Asian people. But anyway, LOL was also invented in the '90s, as well as screensaver and emoticons. So, those were the ones that made it, right? -Yeah. But it's like screens-- but screensaver is done though. -That-- no, that's not true. -For the most part they're done. -They're done in our world, where we only use mobile devices and laptops but for a lot of people that go to work and you know, older generations, they still use desktop computers. -Right and so do we, or so do I. -And they still use screensavers. -Yeah but now it's-- now, you know, the monitor just shuts off and that's sad. -Maybe. -It's not really a-- -But if you want to be instantly on, I guess you could still use one. -Why-- -The function is still there. -was it called a screensaver? To prevent burning, was that the thing? -No, the screensaver is there so that it wouldn't-- it was like sleep mode basically but somewhere in between sleep and awake. -I feel like screensaver is-- -Because you just move the mouse and then it would come back on immediately. -Right, right because the OS never went to sleep. -Right. -Yeah. -It would just still on. -Right. -You were basically running an application. -The fan was still running and everything. -Yeah. So, it didn't save anything. -I think it just took-- -I always thought it was for burning. -Yeah, it's for burning. -Yeah. -For your monitor? -Yeah. It was-- you never had a screensaver that was like one image. Everything was always moving. -I always thought it was because you didn't want people to see what was on your screen, and so it just kinda popped up in place for people walking by. I don't know. -Yeah, I don't know about that. -What the hell are we even talking? -We're talking about screensavers. -Oh, okay. Yeah, screensavers. -Something that's completely irrelevant in this day and age. -Right. But other things that were-- there were a lot of words that didn't make it that we don't use anymore. It's almost kinda funny to even say this because you just date yourself. You sound like you're a time traveler when you say things like cyberpunk, right? And that was-- well, that was inducted into the dictionary in the '90s. -Yeah but cyberpunk has a much longer history. This is cypherpunk. -Well, there's cyberpunk and cypherpunk too. The cyberpunk is like the internet version of it. -But cyberpunk makes-- -I think cypherpunk is for like hackers and cryptographers. -Right but cyberpunk is still relevant because it's not like a-- it's like a genre. -Now, it's like-- yeah, like a book show. -You know, it's like blade runner. -Right. -Right. -Right. Other words are dot-com and now we have another word to replace that which is startup. -Okay. -You know, no one says like, oh, I'll run a dot-com. -Yeah, right. -That kind of end up with a bubble. -Yup. This one is kinda funny, infobhan, -I have no idea what that is. -which is a combination of-- it's like a synonym for information superhighway. -Oh, like the Audobon? -Which is another super dated word. -Got you. -Glocal. A lot of these are like Portmanteaus, right? Where they combine two words at once. -Sure. -So, glocal is for global and local that describes like international business relations. -Nice. Yeah. -Weird. Nerkish. Nerkish is a term, another portmanteau for nerdish and jerkish and these are for people that I think they're so clever with their fancy internet and desktop computers. Basically like your IT, your smart ass IT guy is a nerkish. -Got you. Weird. -Weird, right? Publify is another weird one, which means like publish online. You know, like oh, I'm gonna-- this is a great story. I'm gonna publify it on my blog. It's really weird. -It's weird. -Why not just say publish? -Yeah, stupid. -It's not even eliminating any words in-- any of the letters in the word publish. -Yeah and that's almost harder to say than just blog. -Yeah. -And-- -What about palmtop? -Yeah, palmtop is an interesting one. -Weird. It is weird. -That came around for PDAs. So, like PalmPilots and things like that. -Yeah. -Those are palmtop computers but now we just have phones that do that. So, it sort of replaced that word. -Right. -This is a weird one. zettabyte was inducted in the early '90s to that dictionary and zettabyte is basically, you know, it's like a unit of measurement for online data. So, it goes like kilobyte, megabyte, gigabyte and then terabyte, which we're just now starting to see but in the '90s they got a little ambitious and thought that zettabytes would be used. But it actually goes gigabyte, terabyte, petabyte, exabyte, then zettabyte. -It's just-- -So, there's no way we're gonna hit that for like another 10 years. -Well, it's not even that. It's just there because it's people think-- just like it's like you're really [unk] more understanding of data and stuff and just like-- -Right. Yeah, yeah. -And it's like something they would use in a movie. -It's like flying cars. -It's like what Tim Robbins probably said in that Antitrust movie. -Right. -When he's looking at Ryan Phillippe and he's like, "Zettabytes of data." -Right. Yeah, exactly. Burn the trash. Yeah. -Right. -We gotta trash this data. -Right, right, right. -So ridiculous. -I love that. That's awesome. -So, I don't know. Maybe a lot of these words just aren't gonna be popular like Digerati, what's that word? -Yeah, I forgot it. -Oh, that sounds terrible. -A lot of them still hang out though, man. -Yeah. -A lot of them still hang out. -And it reaches far beyond the tech world too, right? There's a lot of slang that we used to use in the '90s. I guess not me personally but it was in the like the canon in the '90s that we just don't use anymore. -Phat. -Like the P-H-A-T, phat. Yeah, exactly. -Yeah. -What else? Tubular? -No one every said tubular. -That was like an 80's thing. -Yeah. -Totally tubular to-- -And only in the Ninja Turtles use tubular. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Maybe that's like a West Coast thing. No one every said-- I believe you said tubular on the East Coast, you got crack kick of that. -That's probably true. You know what's really annoying to me in the '90s [unk] like stick their hand in your face and then say would say, talk to the hand. -Oh, yeah. -Because the face ain't listening. -Yeah. -And they would do like weird, like neck-- -I'm actually pretty good at that. -You are good. -Yeah, you're great. You're great at doing that. -Yeah. You know what I mean? Like they'd be like, talk to the hand because the face ain't listening. It's so annoying. -Yeah. -Or they would say like, -We should-- -all that in a bag of chips. -You should bring that bag. -Terrible. -All that in a bag of chips is strange. -Yeah, yeah. -Or you just break it down. -Yeah. Where did that even come from? -Why a bag of chips? That's like 90 cents more. -Yeah. -Into not much more. If you're like all that in a Ferrari-- -Yeah. -I mean, they're like, well, that's a significant. -All that in a little snack on the sides. -All that in a vending machine product. -Put a little bit. Yeah. -Well, what else was there? I wanna do more of these. -I feel like a lot of my 90's slang came from Clueless, say like [unk] and then I got, saying girls had like nice stems in the '90s for like their legs and stuff. I can say I just watched Clueless too much. -I don't know about that. -What else? -That's really all there was, man. -Jiggy. -Jiggy. -Yeah, let's get jiggy with it. -Yeah. -Again, I think it's all for all you weirdo West Coasters. -Oh, that was a Will Smith thing. -Yeah, getting jiggy. -Yeah, I know, but everyone on the East Coast was like, you know, we're not even gonna recognize that. -Yeah. -Gonna let that one fly under the radar. -Remember a lot of people use to call friends like home skillet? That was really weird. Do you know what I'm talking about? -Yeah. -Yeah, you remember that? -Home skillet? -That's so weird. You'd be like, what's up, home skillet? Yeah, like what's up-- -Home slice. Remember home slice? -Like yeah, home slice. Yeah, same thing. -Yeah like that. But the homy is back. People-- everyone is homy ass. -Yeah. Homy never went away, dude never went away. -Dude never went away. Yeah, like, my man, stuff like that. -Yeah, my man. And there's like a weird early 2,000 slang for like shiznit. -Home fry. -Shinznit. -Remember when people doing that like do that Snoop Dogg thing. -That's still around. People still do that. It's funny when you listen to those songs where like they say, shizzle and stuff like-- it's just sense of stupid. -Yeah, yeah. -You know, it's like a Goldmember. -Right. -The Austin Powers' move. -Right, yeah. -There's so many references in that movie that are dated. -You can't watch that anymore. -They're not funny anymore. -Yeah, it's terrible. -Yeah. -Talk to the hand or what else? Booyah. Do people still say booyah? -Booyah. I don't know. I remember-- what was the NBA jam? Oh, Boom Shaka-Laka. -Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. -Oh, right. -The announcer. -Yeah. -So, good. So, anyway, that's all for the new slang going around. -All right, cool. Thanks, Dr. Hip. -Yeah. I feel like such an old man. -That's what the kids are saying. -Yeah, what are you guys doing? -In my day, it was all about talking to the hand and a bag of chips. -Yeah. Are you guys drinking Cokes and eating Pop Rocks? -Now, you're all torque and while you're on your bath salts. -Yeah. Is that WiFi organic? Such a very good. -Yeah, that's the best kid on SNL. All right. So, let's move on to this story. This is kinda cool. Telemarketers, kind of another thing that you don't really hear about a lot anymore because we use cellphones for making calls, but for a lot of people that have landlines, telemarketing is still a big problem. Right? You guys remember that back in-- -Of course. -They would like call you up right at dinner time. -Right at dinner because they knew that's when you were home. -They know. -Yeah. Bastards, right? -I always used to watch in admiration as how my father would like deal with his people. -Oh, what would your dad do? -He just like hang up on them right as a person calling, thought maybe they were getting somewhere. -Oh, he would like tease them. -He'd be like, oh, okay. Who-- he'd be like, "Who is this? Tell me more about your paper. What's that?" and just hang right up on the guy. -Oh, that sucks. -It'd be awesome. -Oh, that's terrible. Those are people that are just trying to make money, you know, that's their job. -Yeah, won't get a real job. -You probably got that prop phone sitting over there. -Right. -Yeah, nice. -Yeah, where the hell did that phone come from? -It's just, you know, it was a-- -Unless you care to study the overhead shop you wouldn't know there's a phone in here. Yeah, that's right here. -Right, of course, but I mean like-- yeah, it's right there. It's a right of passage to treat those people like crap. -Yeah. -You know what I mean? They, you know, get a real job. -Yeah. That's what they get paid for it. -Right. -Yeah, they're basically like shit kickers. But anyway, so-- -Shit kickers. That's funny, man. -So, yeah. It's still a big problem and you know, I'm all about making money in the side. That's okay. You know, and I wanna talk sort of about the ways that people are making money creatively online. And annoying telemarketers are one way to do that but there's another guy that sort of found a way to make money off telemarketers, which is a really clever thing, and I wanted to tell you guys about it. So, this guy-- this is a story about a blogger in the UK and he set up a PhonepayPlus account number, right? And so these premium phone numbers are used for services like American Idol, where you call in and they charge you to make a phone call, right? It's like the same thing as when a disaster happens and you can donate using like a text, right? And so, he set up a phone number that would basically charge people to make a phone call but then the service that gives you that phone number also splits the revenues with you. So, whoever calls you, you get the money off that. That make sense? -I-- yeah, of course that's-- it's like, you know, the phone sex numbers. -Right, right, exactly but apparently-- -Two ninety-nine for the first four seconds. -Like 1-900 numbers. -Yeah. -You seem to know a lot about this. -Well, you know, I frequently review a-- -This is a pre-internet porn days where you just go and talk someone before actually giving out your credit card. -Right. Yeah. -On memories of that. -Yeah. I'm sorry I gotta wipe the drool off my mic here. -But now, anyone can make one of those phone numbers and share the revenue that you make from it. -So, this guy, kind of a genius move. He set up a PayPlus account number and gave it out to all the utilities that might call using telemarketers, right? So, that's like-- -But this is not-- this is brilliant. -Super brilliant. -Yeah. -This is brilliant. -He gave it out to anyone that asks for his phone number professionally. So, like his bank, right? Anytime he filled out a form, like his utility suppliers, his phone bills, all that stuff, he gave this fake phone number and so, basically, what ended up happening is anytime he got a call from telemarketers, the caller pays about 10 pounds or that's 16 cents a minute. -No, no, no. Ten pounds is like $16. -No. Cents. -No, no. -According to this article. -No. Ten-- oh, no that's 10 pence. -Ten pence, sorry. Ten pence or 16 cents a minute. -Yeah. -From which he receives 11 cents from that call. -That's so awesome. -So, that's really smart, right? -Yeah. -So, he actually encouraged his people to call back and what he would do is talk to the telemarketers and be like, I'm not sure. Can you call me back tomorrow after I've had more time to think about this? -Right. And then just calling, you know, leave the phone [unk]. -Yeah. -To stay on the line. -Incredible, right? And then he would also call that phone from his own cellphone too, so he would make money that way too. -But wouldn't that charge his phone? -Which is strange because he would technically have to pay it. -Yeah. -But he would make more off the revenues from it. -So, can you essentially do that forever and be rich? -I think you could. I think you could but now that the story is out, I'm not sure that they're gonna let him do it. -It's kind of amazing no one's had this idea. -Right. -Because the pay per call numbers have been around for decades. -Anyone can open one up. -Yeah. -Get this. Over the past 2 years doing this, he's made over $465 just receiving phone calls. -It's pretty cool. -So, it's really crazy and the move has actually seen the number of telemarketers drop-- -Right. -from about 30 a month to now only 13 in July. -See, the thing that I-- -So, it's gone down but that's not good for him because he's not making as much money anymore. -Exactly. And think about it, if you were to give your number as a 9-- it was the 1-900 numbers, those are the pay numbers in America, right? -Right, right. In the UK, the premium numbers have a 0871 line for the last 4 digits. -Right. So, you're like, all right, well, you know, you tell Verizon, oh, yeah my personal phone number is 1-900-EAT-SHIT, whatever it is, right? -Right. Yeah. -And I mean-- -If they call you, it's their bad. -Yeah but there's-- I feel like somewhere along the line someone is gonna be like, we can't do that. -Right. Probably they'll come on to it. -Still brilliant though. -Well, they also don't tell you that the charges are gonna be made to your account. -Sure. -You know, they tell you that on TV when you call in for American Idol but when you actually make a call they don't tell you. -Right. -So, it's kind of interesting and they charge that straight to their mobile phone. -Pretty cool. -That's cool. Another thing that people are using to make money online are these apps that basically pay you to view advertisements on your phone. And actually, one of my friends is making a decent amount of money off this and I wanted to ask our viewers if they've heard of this or have even done it themselves. So, my buddy is using this app for Android called Locket. And here it is. Check this out. Have you heard about this? -No, I haven't. -No. -So, this is an app that basically puts advertisements on your phone's lock screen, right? And then they basically pay you to voluntarily swipe through those ads and give out your information. So, basically, when you download this app Locket, you put on your phone and they ask you your age, your gender and your location. That's the only personal information you ever have to give out. Based on that, then they start serving you these ads on your lock screen. So, every time you open your phone, you get an ad like this. -But that's data that you're paying for to download the apps, right? -Technically, yeah, but a lot of people have unlimited data now. So, that's no charge to them. And you know 1 cent for every ad that you swipe through. You can either engage with the ad. I don't know why anyone would do that, or you would continue just swiping through to get to your phone. -So, it's a penny per ad. -So, it's 1 penny per ad but you can only make up to 3 cents an hour, right? -What the hell is worth it? -So, they put a cap on it. But wait, wait, listen to this. So, 3 cents an hour, I did the math here, you could get 18 cents for every 6 hours, 36 cents in 12 hours and so on, and-- -Wait. Your big thing is I'm making 72 cents a day? -That translates to-- I did a math here too. If you did this-- if you unlocked your phone screen 3 times an hour for 24 hours a day, for 365 days a year, you could make $262.80 a year doing this. -Justin. -You just couldn't sleep. -Right. That's what I was gonna say. What about those 8 hours a day where you're sleeping? -Well, then you-- if you were a smart developer, you would maybe write a script for an app that would do this for you. -Right. Oh, it's totally worth it. Totally worth doing those 24 cents a day you're gonna make. -You could do. -Get out of here. -And you can-- I mean, it's-- a lot of people are doing this, which is why there are multiple apps that do it. -This is why you eat at Oliver Garden. -This is why. -This is why-- -It basically pays for your monthly Olive Garden trip. -Yeah. There you go. -A lot of people are doing this. Locket isn't the only one. There's a bunch of other ones out there but the cool part about Locket is that, one, you get a dollar referral for every person that signs up for the app. -If you do, I'll give you my referral number. -You have this? -No. I don't have it. And the second thing that's cool is you can cash out once you reached $10. But then they also have you know, more credit if you decide to get like Amazon gift card because this had partnerships with online retailers. So, you can either cash out $10 or they can give you a $12 credit to Amazon for your $10 work. Does that makes sense? -Yeah. -It does but it's so pointless because it's such a little amount of money. -It's free money, though. -Yeah, dude-- -This is more money than you would find on the street. This is more money than you would get begging for money on the street. I mean, why wouldn't you do this? If had a lot of time on your hands and-- -If you're homeless and you have an iPhone. -Exactly. -You really-- I mean, you're-- -Or a student, you know. -This pitch is great. This is the greatest pitch I've ever heard. -A lot of people are doing it, man. -It's one step up above panhandling. -Yeah. And you don't have to humiliate yourself. -Get out of here, dude. -And you're swiping-- anyway, you're using your phone everyday. Why wouldn't you do this? -This is a tax on a dumb. -I mean, what's on your lock screen right now? It's probably something like default-- -Weather, the weather. -Okay. Yeah. -To me, I'd pay the 5 cents it takes to unlock that. -Yeah. -Come on, dude. -I don't know. -Could you put more than one of these apps on there? Like if there's different-- what companies have these apps? -I think not. Yeah, I don't think so because you only have one lock screen. -Right. -So, like it can only take over one of them. So, it probably wouldn't register if you had multiple but if you had several phones, you could definitely double swipe with two hands. -Yeah. -Right, yeah. Thanks for the story, Justin. -I'm not making this up, man and like I'm-- -It's-- unfortunately it is real. -This is a real thing. -Yeah. -It's kinda cool and I wanna know if other people have tried it because it's been featured in a lot of different blogs recently. -Yeah. I mean, people are pulling in dollars. -Dollars and quarters a day doing this. -Dollars. Cents by the minute. Let's talk about a new craze. A plastic surgery crazy that is sweeping South Korea. -Oh, my God. This is awesome. This is terrible and you know, we talked about this last month about how South Korea-- it's basically like America in the 1940's right on big business move, a lot of like money coming out of there into the economy but that-- -Oh, '40s, you mean like the '50s and '60s? -Yeah, U.S. and-- no, the '40s. -The '40s was good? -Yeah, it was-- -Hear about war, post recession-- -Like the late '40s maybe. -Sure. Maybe the late '40s. -Okay. -So, anyway, doing great right now but they also have the scourge of plastic surgery. So, we talked about this in the past, about how a lot of parents are giving their graduates from high school plastic surgery as a gift. And the craze is going nuts in that country right now. But the latest surgical procedure to get popular is called Valentine Anguloplasty. -Anguloplasty? -Anguloplasty. Right. -Okay. This is whacky. This is surgery. -This is surgery where a surgeon uses a scalpel to carve a permanent smile onto the side of your lips. It's called the smile lipt, L-I-P-T, which is a combination of lift and lip. Get it? And it turns up the corners of your mouth to make a forced smile at all times. This is basically what the Joker did in the new [unk] of Batman movies. -Yeah. Weird. -Right? How crazy is this? So, we're looking at a girl right now who has normal lips and she's kinda smiling but it looks like she's super happy because she has cuts right on the side of her face. -This is whacky. -It's scary, right? And they look sort of realistic and the problem here that they're trying to solve is a phenomenon called resting bitch face. Have you heard about this? -Yes, resting bitch face. -Yeah. -Yes. Classic RBF syndrome. -Yeah. -And it's when-- not just women. -It sounds like a yoga move. -Right. Now-- -A sumo resting bitch face. -Yeah, go from Prana-- -Go from-- -one or two-- -No, no, no. -Downward dog. -Downward dog to resting bitch face. -But apparently it's a big problem. Resting bitch face is when, you know, your resting face just looks mean. -Yeah. -Like when you're sort of like looking around with your normal face. -This is not nice because it implies it's only women. -Right. -There's resting asshole face too. -Or resting dick face. -Right, resting-- yeah. -Right. -That's kind of gross. -Yeah. -But that's huge problem if you're like, say, in a customer service industry, if you're like a, you know, I don't know. If you work on an airplane or something like that where you have a customer facing industry. You gotta look happy all the time, right? Like no one wants an RBF on your waiter at Olive Garden. -Right. No, no one wants that. -Yeah. -Because Lord knows those people are always happy. -Right because they have the best jobs in the world. -So, what I don't understand is now I'm thinking about this and I'm you know, I'm very accepting of different cultures, you know, I'll even let the bagel head thing go, what they do in Japan. -Yeah, Japanese bagel heads. Yeah. -Injecting saline-- -It's like silicone, yeah. -into their foreheads to give the impression of a bagel, you know, hey, whatever you wanna do, as long as you're not hurting anyone else, it's fine. -But at least that's for like body modification. -Well, this is body modification. -Yeah, but that's more along the lines of like getting your ears gauged. Right? Like that sort of on the fringe of body modification. -I don't put this in a different category. -This is more for like cosmetics, I think. -Well, or like tattoo and makeup on yourself. -Right. This is more like tattoo and makeup on yourself. -But what I want-- I wanna see someone with this, I wanna see them cry. -Right. -Because when-- like how freaking crazy is that gonna look. -Yeah. -Yeah. -When your brain tries to make sense of that. -Yeah, because look at the second photo here. So, the 4 photos are on top, if you're watching the video, and then these are the after photos. -This is more subtle. -Right. But it sort of still looks like she has a shit-eating grin on her face. -It's totally Joker [unk]. -Yeah and the problem-- -Moreso, Jack Nicholson Joker. -I think the problem with the resting bitch face is also it's not just in your smile, it's also maybe in your eyes or the shape of your face. And when you're sort of smirking like this, it gives the impression that you're sort of looking-- smiling sarcastically. Right? If you have an RBF everywhere else. -Yeah. This is so weird. But it's like-- but it's like very [unk] intriguing. -Yeah. -Right. It's like man-- -Though these-- at least these look like normal smiles someway. That one on the top-- -The one on the first picture just looks creepy. -Yeah and looks like she has cuts. -Yeah. -Like slice open cuts in her mouth. -You wanna know how I got these scars? -Yeah, exactly. -Yeah. I just wanna see like one of these people like on a jury stand. -Oh. -Trying to give like an Eyewitness account of something terrifying. -Right. -It's not attractive. -And there you are like, why is the witness smiling to terrible situation? Stop laughing, sir. This is not funny. -Yeah. -Sir, she can't stop smiling. She got rid of her resting bitch face. -Yeah. She got that valentine. -That's so crazy. -You know what's really gross? You wanna hear something really intense? -Yeah. Well, man, you know what? -Kinda nasty. -What's really intense for you is shockingly awful for everybody. -Is awful and [unk] into everyone else. -Yeah. -So-- -But I'm gonna say it anyway. -Oh, well, that's-- it's kind of show we got. -A lot of people are comparing this to something called the Glasgow Smile. You guys heard about that? -No. -No, but I guess we're gonna now. -And I was reading about this in the morning because a lot of people were sort of equating this new plastic surgery to the Glasglow Smile. And it's basically an old form of Scottish torture, right? Where people would basically cut the side of a victim's mouth with a knife, right? -Oh, okay. You've heard it-- -Hold on. -Why hold on? -And then they would beat up that person, right? Or like they would basically just pommel them, -Yeah. -beat the shit out of them so that the face muscles will contract. And in the process causing the cuts to extend up the cheeks to the victim's ears. -You know what's-- -And that was called the Glasgow Smile and it leaves a scar. -That's the Joker right there. -Exactly and that's where-- that's the inspiration for that in-- -Where he [unk]. Yeah. -Right and leaves a scar which is what they called Glasgow Smile. -Okay. I'm glad you brought it back to comic book time. -Right. -Isn't that terrible? -It's super terrible. -But that's something that people are punished with and these are-- the South Koreans are paying $2,000 for the smile lipt. That's insane. -Two grand huh. -Two grand. -The selfie in the top of the post is truly disturbing. It looks like somebody took that Photoshop smudge tool. -Yeah. -And just did a little horn up there. -It's not right. -Whacky. -Because her lips aren't turned up. -Yeah. -It's just the side of her mouth. -But there's something kinda cool about it. It's kinda hot. -It's not hot. Maybe it is. I just wanna see someone in person with it. -I won't. -I wanna see someone eat with it and watch the food drool out the side of their mouth. -Yeah. -Yeah. -That's so funny and true. -Now you're trying, Richard. -What happened Botox? -What happen-- -I mean, do we really need more permanent like solution? What's wrong with Botox? -Everything. -Well, it's terrible but I mean, it's better than getting surgery, right? That's just botulism. -Yeah, I mean, the whole Botox thing to me is super weird because I think it really disorients our impression of aging. -Yeah. -Especially for like a younger generation, like-- I mean, -Yeah. -look, it's just evolution and, or a cultural evolution but it's very like bizarre to see, you know Stacie watches those-- the trashy housewives shows and you have these women who were like in their mid 60's. -Right. -And they look like they're 38. -But they don't, though. -But they don't. -They don't. -Because it's like this weird-- -Yeah. -mash-up, twisted, wrinkle-free, forced smile, no expression sort of thing. -Right. Yeah. -And they look terrifying. And that's what I don't understand. It's not like we've perfected this. -Right. -It's not like you go to one great Hollywood doctor, -Yeah. -and he does-- he gives you a tune up and you look 28. -Yeah. -It looks like-- -You've never like met a 25-year-old and then found that they were 70 later because they had plastic surgery money well spent. -Right. Exactly. It's never like that. -It's never like that. -And it doesn't-- and no matter how much freaking Botox you inject in your stupid, freaking wrinkly face-- -Whoa, whoa, whoa. -What? What's wrong with-- you're getting-- -I'm not for Botox is what I'm saying. -Okay. -As much as you keep injecting that, it ain't gonna make your grain any younger. -Wrinkles-- -And you're still gonna talk like an old freaking person. -Right. -Right? -You're still gonna use words like cowabunga and tubular and-- -And poppycock. You're still gonna be dropping poppycocks. -It's gonna call people whippersnappers. -And that's gonna be your dead giveaway. -Right. -Right? So-- -You're gonna talk where you were when JFK died. -It's just so-- it's so crazy, it's just crazy to me. -Also, I mean, like we've sort of touched on this before but it's terrifying that people get plastic surgery on their face because if they have kids, those kids are gonna grow not recognizing their parents and then wondering why they look so much different, right? Like, why do I not look like mommy and daddy? Oh, it's because I paid $2,000 to get my mouth slit over like when you were young. -I love this planet. -That's why. -Don't you love this-- don't you love what we're doing? What we're really focusing on? -Yeah. It makes me sad. -Our words for choosing to you know, target research at-- -Yeah. -Let's do it. -Let's put a smile on that face. -But that guy who used to call up, what's the name? Aaron? -Yeah. -He was so good. -He's really good. -He probably doesn't listen anymore. If you do, man, call up again and give us a voicemail. Would you please? Speaking of voicemails, let's get with some more 404 interaction by reading a few of these e-mails. -Oh, yeah. -Yeah. -Justin, we got how many international freaking e-mails have we got in the last 24 hours? Like a dozen. -This is amazing. I love hearing about this. I also, I almost wanted to set up a Google Doc that I everyone could have access to and they just write what country that they listen the show from. -Yeah, that'd be tight. -Because we've been getting so many, it's almost hard to compile them all. -Sure. -But here they go. I wanna give international shoutouts to Saflon from Malaysia, Gerald from Port Elizabeth in South Africa, Tommy in Israel, Elly from the Philippines, Emily from Brazil, Rob from New Zealand, Jake from Swaziland, that's in Africa. -Famous Swaziland. -Swaziland. David from Christchurch in New Zealand, terrifying there's a place called Christchurch, Tannel from Estonia, -Estonia, that's like Encino Man. -Exactly right. Wait, was it? -Yeah. They kept saying link. He's like he's from Stonia. -Oh, right, right. Stonia. -Because this is Stoney Crusty King. I love Charlie. -Oh, the best. -Yeah. -And then finally, Gee from Chengdu in China. He sort of tells us about how China blocks our show and how he or she was able to get around that. They say, "I was able to listen to Wednesday's show." -[unk]? -What? That's not what the guy commonly says. I'm paraphrasing here. Do you wanna read? -No. I mean, it's-- look, I don't know a second language. I can only imagine-- -You asshole. Yeah, it's hard. -ESL is very tough. -Okay. So, Jeff's laughing because he is reading the e-mail along with me and Gee didn't write it in proper grammar. -I'm just still bitter-- I'm still bitter that yesterday you didn't do the Chinese accent thing when I set you up for. It's a freaking softball, man. It's a freaking lay up. -But I did after the show, didn't I? -You did and I recorded it for a second and you realized I was doing it. -That you shouldn't do to a private show. -Yeah. -Never again. Anyway, Gee says, I was listening-- -Just say, I'm paraphrasing. -Okay. I was listening to Wednesday's show and a listener wrote in and talked about how he had to use a VPN to download the show and it's sad but true, but The 404 Podcast is indeed blocked in mainland China. And I tried tons of podcast mobile apps to get around that and download the show but, you know, things like BeyondPod, Doggcatcher and the official Apple Podcast app, not of those worked. And so he didn't give up though, and fortunately his efforts paid off because he finally found one that works. It's called Pocket Casts from Shifty Jelly, that's the company that makes it. It's called Pocket Casts. And I don't know how they pull it off but maybe using a proxy server or something like that but anyway, it works magically. -It works for now. -Yeah. -Or until now. -Probably not after some official probably hears this episode. But going down, look Pocket Casts if you're listening in China. -All right. -You're probably not listening if you don't have [unk]. -Right, right. -It's like a damn [unk] thing. But anyway, thanks to all of our international listeners, as well as Gee from Chengdu for tuning in us into that. -We need to do something that's formulating in my head right now. I would love it if we could get-- we could like have like the rep from each country. Let's see if we can do every country on earth-- -Oh, you want like United Nations. -I want a UN of 404 listeners. -Oh, that would be awesome. -Plus two people from each of these great 50 states. -Yeah. You know what, we need a map in here. -Yeah. -We need a map with a bunch of pushpins. So, like to mark the locations of every listener in the world. -Yes, right here. We'll put it up there. -That is so amazing. -Or put it in the new studio. -Wait, wait. -What? -I feel like there's a digital version of this made by Google. -Nope. -Where you can actually put pins. -No, no, no, no. -And everyone could have accessed to it. -All right. This is more fun. -And they've even put the latitude and longitude of the exact place where they live. -This is more fun. Doing it the analog way is more fun. -Yeah, I agree. -Right? -Yeah. -The analog way. -Yes. -Okay. All right. -All right. We'll buy a map. -What do you call this one? -A map. A map. -Yeah, map. -We'll get a map and we'll get the pushpin, guys. -Yeah. -All right? -Because we have so much face in this podcast. -I-- well, look, things are changing here. We, you know, we haven't talked a lot about what the future holds for our program. -Are you sure we shouldn't just do it on a Google Map? That'd be pretty cool because then we could put them on the screen, we can do both. -Yeah. We wish to do both. We'll do both. -Can you do a Google Map where everyone can have access to one? -Yeah, I think so, something like that. -Someone-- -But I want people to start saying, I wanna be the rep from Kentucky. I wanna be the rep from Idaho. I wanna be the rep from South Dakota. -But we have a lot of African listeners. -Oh, they're gonna have to fight it out. -So you have to decide why-- you have to write us in and tell us why you think you should be the rep. -Yeah. Now I would imagine there's a few-- I know we have a lot of Syrian listeners too in Syria. It's been in the news a lot lately. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Hope all those guys are doing okay. I would love to hear from those guys as well. -Yeah. -Let's do it. Every country on earth, right? -Yeah. -All right. -I want everyone representative. -And then two from each states. We'll do like senator sort of thing. -Yeah. -Cool. -Right? Do you like that? -That'd be good. That's a good idea. -All right. With the UN of 404, 404 UN. -Yeah. -It's starting right now. -Then we're gonna dominate the world. -Yeah. I mean that's all it is and then, you know, something's gonna be like, you know, I think they're militarizing. -Yeah. -Anyway, we'll do it. -This is our international suite team basically. -We'll do it. -Yeah. -We'll waive, we'll do this video voicemail tomorrow. I wanna play that early tomorrow. -Okay. -That's a great one. We also have show and tell. We got some awesome like action figure in the mail the other day. I don't think I've shown you. -No. -Yeah. So, all these surprises and much more tomorrow on the program. 866-404-CNET, that's the phone number. E-mail us firstname.lastname@example.org. -Yeah. -And 866-404-CNET. -Cool. Great. -All right. That's gonna do it for us. I'll try and post the interview with Thomas Lennon and Robert Ben Garant later today. So, we won't be doing that live but it will be available on demand as soon as possible. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. -Reddit. -I wanted-- I think I'm gonna join Snapchat tomorrow. -You should do it, yeah. -You have it? -No, I don't have it. -Why my buddies on my hockey team have it? And I keep laughing about these jokes they send each other. I feel like left out. I wanna get in on that. -Yeah. We should start one of those. -So my adventures in Snapchat start tomorrow. -Okay. -I have it. -All right, guys. You have it? -Yeah. -Oh, boy. There are things I'm gonna send you too. -Somebody's sending me a picture of their penis. -Really? You're getting dick pics on Snapchat? -Yes. -Who sends that? You should know who it is. -Some random person. -You don't even know who it is? -No. -You're getting like [unk] on truthful. -Yeah. You're full of it. It's Mark. -It's Mark Lesek. -No, you don't know you're getting this phantom penis shots and you don't know where they're from. -You don't recognize the penis. -You didn't, oh, I don't know. -All right. Some freaking undercover dick. -Yes. -Send it to me. -I can't believe you've been holding this back, this entire time you-- -Yeah, what are you waiting? -Yeah, why didn't you tell us about this? -I don't know. I don't know. I never came out. -You've been getting phantom dick pics and you didn't even tell us. -Yeah, dude. What the hell are you waiting for, man? -That's not a hell like-- -Well, [unk] I can prove it because they disappear. -Yeah. -All right. -I have to look at them. They disappear. -Well, next time that one comes in, can't you like hold your finger on the dick photo? -Yeah. Get someone else to come by and take a photo with your phone. -Yeah take a photo of that dick. -Right. -Come on, Ric. -Well, I could do a screen capture. -Yeah and then put in the alerts, the dick sender. -Is there? -Yeah, I think so. I don't know, though. -Wait. So someone who has access to your Snapchat login, like your handle-- -Well, I gave it to them. -Oh, well I did-- -I've seen who it is. -I did write my handle on a bathroom stall. So, maybe that's why. Yeah. -For a good time, Snapchat this. All right. -Because you don't know who it is. You used to say it on the show. -Yes. -All right. All right. I think we know this person. -So, Richard just admitted to exchanging dick pics at Snapchat. -Yeah. -I didn't send any. I just [unk]. -Let me see your phone then. -Well, you can't-- no proof. He's right. He's right. -I love that you waited 'til the end of the show to tell us this. Great. -Gems, hold it right 'til the end. -Yeah. It's like the secret scene at the end of Marvel movies. It's great. -Yeah. -I love it. -All right. More misadventures in Snapchat world starting tomorrow. Look for the special edition show coming at later today. -Gems. -Thanks so much for tuning in, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Richard Peterson. -This is The 404 Show, very high tech and certainly very lowbrow. We'll see you guys tomorrow. -Peace out.