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Ep. 1280: Where we dig up the truthToday we're parsing through the squalid urban legend of the worst video game flop ever produced: the E.T. game for the Atari 2600, and the hushed whispers that 3.5 million copies were buried in a desert.
-Hey, everyone. It's Jeff. Before we get going today, we wanna remind everyone watching that we still have a very cool contest going on that you can enter to win. This is the last week you can enter. You have 'til Friday, June 7th. The contest, we're giving away 6 prize packs of NBA 2k13 and MLB 2K13. Three for Xbox 360 and three for PlayStation 3. To enter, here's what you gotta do. Film yourself in a 30 seconds or less video, displaying your what, creative skill with the sports of basketball and/or baseball. We're very lucky to team up with 2K Sports for this awesome contest. So, enter, send us and e-mail email@example.com with 404 2K Sports in the subject line. That's how we'll know it's for us in the contest and that'll be your guaranteed submission into the contest. So, make sure you do it. Again, we're only taking submissions up until and through Friday, June 7th. Enter now, send us the link. If you don't want it to be public, just make your YouTube link unlisted and we'll be the only ones that can see it with the link that you provide. So, make sure you do that and get on it and good luck to everyone and thanks to 2K Sports. And now, let's get to the show. What's up, everybody? It's June 3rd, 2013. This is The 404 Show on CNET. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez. -What's going on, everybody? Thanks for tuning in to the program. Got a week of shows plan that's gonna lead right into E3 and then, summer is gonna be weird, dude. -Yeah. -This is gonna be like very spotty. A lot of shows missing I think. -Oh, don't say that. -Well, I'm just, you know, because-- -But in replace of those shows, we're also gonna have another feature packages, right? -Right, yeah. -So, E3, there's gonna be a lot of videos you can watch about that during next week. -Right. -And then for Comic-Con, which is coming up-- what month is that? -That's next month. -Next month. -That's gonna be like June 18th. -Yeah. I'll have a few video spec. -Yes. So, we're gonna be gone for most of that, which will be a lot of fun. And I think we're gonna have a better time at Comic-Con because now we're like we're experienced, you know. We had no idea what we are getting ourselves into last year. it was really weird. -Yeah. And now we're better. -I mean, after one year and you're a veteran. You're just like a pro. So-- -Are we gonna dress up this year? -I don't know. -Last year, I really wanted to do-- -Wayne and Garth. -No. I wanna do Jay and Silent Bob and I think your feelings were hurt because you were gonna be Silent Bob. -Oh, clearly I'd be Silent Bob. -Obviously you'd have to be Silent Bob but it doesn't mean that you're like-- I think you're overweight. -No, no. -And you just felt like, you know, statue speaking. -No, because I didn't want. -But you'll have to be those roles. -Right but he doesn't speak. I talk a lot. -Well, you don't have to be like that level of detail with the costume. We're just dressed up like that in their image. -I thought we were gonna go all in, you know. -Yeah. -I didn't wanna break character. -We have to do it and maybe you wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if you just shut up. -Right. All right. I'll think about it. I'll think about shutting up. All right. What do we got here today, dude? -I wanna tell you guys an urban legend. A story that's about me hiking in the woods over the weekend. No. Yes, so sit down, make a few s'mores. -Yeah, get comfy. -Put another log on that fire that you have in the middle of the summer for some reason. -Yeah, at your workplace. -At your workplace. -In your car. -[unk] to the show. -On the bus, on a train. -And listen to the tale I'm about to tell you guys about the faded urban legend of the ET video game for the original Atari 2600. -You don't know what the hell that's about. -No but I read Wikipedia and now I'm an expert. -So, this is a-- there's a lot of crazy what seems like lower about this ET game. -Oh, so you've heard about this? -Oh, I know-- dude, do it for a living, man. I know what he hell I'm talking about. -Okay. All right, smart guy. -But school me, man. Let me hear what you think you know. -Well-- -About this disordered tale of this Atari game. -Okay. So, I was really interested in this 'cause I had never heard about it before but there's this urban legend about the original Atari 2600. And I should have brought a photo of it but the entire 2600 is the original, right? It's like the black one with the horizontal flats on the front of it and it's got that original like one button and joystick controller. Super simple. -One button is all you need. -Yeah. -It's all you need. -Just hit that ball, that's it. That's all you need. -So, the legend kinda tells the story about the company in the early 1980s and they were sort of suffering these financial troubles, right? The CEO was accused of insider trading and the Atari 2600 was apparently popular for porting arcade games over to console games, right? Like Pong and Astroids and things like that. So, that wasn't really as lucrative as they hope but it all culminated in the biggest failure for that console and that game was ET the Extra Terrestrial, which is sort of a departure from their normal arcades or console model because this was a movie to a game, which had never been done before apparently. So, the adaptation was off. Have you ever played that game before? I don't know. I was reading about it, I never played it myself but-- -When I see the screen shots -Uh-huh. -of this game, I vaguely remember something. -Yeah, okay. -I just remember crack, you know and maybe when I play this game I was too young to really judge whether or not a game was good or not. -Uh-huh. -But there-- some of us still-- some of the screen shots, they do ring bells from my very early, early childhood. -Right, yeah. I believe you. -Because I do remember my dad did have an Atari and it was like hey, this is you know, you guys are gonna love this. -Oh, really? -Yeah, it's so weird. He is the one who introduced me to games essentially, yet, after 1984, whenever the hell it was, it's completely-- -Too hard for it. -Once that second button entered into the picture, it was gone. -Yeah. -It was off the rails for sweet look. -Look, this is what the ET game look like on the Atari 2600. -Nice. I mean, graphics wise, you can really judge by that because all Atari games were like this. -That's pretty sick. How about you guys? -It's ridiculous. -Wow. It was such a steaming pile of crap. I know more about it, just watching that you know, the documentaries and you know, that sort of thing. I think the big thing why people hated this game so much, because the objective was very unclear. -You could just get away from the guy. -It just didn't make sense like you are like, what am I doing in this freaking game? There's like an arrow pointing in some sort of random direction. I'm lost in a valley and I have no idea what the hall I'm doing. You just-- -I think -the problem is that their ET doesn't have any power that you can control, right? Like so you, what, make your-- -What power is this one button on an Atari controller? -I know but you're basically running away from things, That's just not very fun. -Yeah. It's just-- I just-- yeah, it's terrible. Just terrible. -So, Warner paid $25 million for the rights to this video game, for the movie rights and then when it was released in December 1982, it only sold 1.5 million copies-- -Which is I think-- -of the 5 million copies they manufactured. -Right but that's still pretty impressive for what year again? -This is 1982. -Yeah. That's super impressive for me. -Yeah. Did you sell a million copies of a video game? -Uh-hmm. -That's great. In 1982. -I mean, you compare it to a Pacman and which I'm sure was their biggest seller I bet probably. -I don't know if Pacman was on Atari. Was it? -Wasn't it? -I don't know. -I think it was. -Maybe. -Video game expert. -Yeah, I just-- I have been making it all up. -I don't know about video games. -So anyway, in September of 1983, there was a newspaper, a daily newspaper that came out. It was a local media outlet in Alamogordo, New Mexico and they were reporting that 20 semi-trailer truck loads of Atari boxes, cartridges and systems were being dumped into a landfill that was inside the city. -I'm pretty sure there's video footage of it. -Oh, really. -I could have sworn I've seen it and yes, Pacman was on Atari. -Okay. -I'm pretty sure. -Try to bring that up. -I can't. -Because I wanna see it. -Well, I don't have-- we can't view it if it's on my screen. -Oh, okay. I'll try to look that up as we talk about here. -I'm pretty sure there's maybe it was just like stock biro footage. -Uh-huh. -But it looked like the truck was dumping out these little gray cartridges. -Wow. Okay. -Yeah and then isn't the rumor that they like porta mantle over it too? -Yeah, yeah. -Yeah. -So, okay. So, they were porting all these things into it and it just looked like plastic and Atari did confirm that apparently, a lot of things were being buried there, didn't specify exactly what it was but a lot of people sort of assume that it's the 3.5 million copies of ET that they didn't sell but this is kind of the cool part too, is that supposedly, they burred a bunch of unsold Atari 2600 consoles that weren't working anymore, defective units, -Okay. -accessories and then maybe even the Atari mind link. -What? -Which was apparently a controller that they would never manufacture in the 80's but they have prototype so, and this prototype controller allowed you to play games using the muscles in your brain, your head muscles. -The head muscles. -The people were getting headaches from using it from like moving their eyebrows around so much that they just couldn't use it, so they never got manufactured. But supposedly, a few of them might have ended up in this landfill. -It was a bumpy start for the world of games. It's a bumpy start. -Right. -A little bit. -So, yeah, then a layer of concrete was poured on top of the crushed stuff. -Yeah, there you go. -Which is kinda rare for a landfill, they don't normally do that. And then it was protested because they didn't want their whole city to peat, you know, just known for this landfill, that led to the city opening, the emergency management act, which basically disallowed other people from dumping into that particular landfill. -Uh-hmm. -Which is why it's so easy to dig up. -Right. -So, fast forward to this week, and a marketing firm called fuel industries just got a license to dig that up to make a documentary about this, because we're coming up on the 30-year anniversary with the burial, September 2013. -Let's do it. Let's dig it up. -So, apparently, this is gonna be this documentary to finally dig up these games and maybe put this urban legend to rest. -But how can you make a whole documentary about just this stupid thing? I don't-- -I mean, it's a pretty cool urban legend, right? I mean, is there anything else in gaming? -I'm pretty-- I don't think it's an urban legend. I'm pretty-- I feel like it's definitive. -Well, there's definitely something that Atari buried underneath there. -Right. -What it is, we don't know. And after 30 years, it might just be brought plastic at this point. -Yeah, I guess. It's very strange. To me, the bigger mystery is like, the hell, Atari. You can't recycle all that stuff in 30 years ago. -Yeah. -You could just be like, oh, let's take a part of these cartridges and put different games in. -Yeah. -Why do we have to bury it? -It seems very childish, right? -It seems childish. -Like no one want this, or no one gets it. -It's very-- right, exactly. It's like, well, this game is terrible. Fine, we're gonna bury it underground and cement it. I don't know. But this was-- and Curtis B, appropriately rights in the chatroom, there was a big video game crash of this era. -Right. -And this sort of highlighted that whole, you know, demise, where people were like, oh, in 30 years people won't be playing video games. They'll be doing other things to pass their time. -They're telling to us. -Yeah, the jokes on men, really. But yeah, so this was-- and I think the-- whether or not it did happen. I'm pretty sure it did happen but I think this event was very symbolic of what was happening to games at that point. -Right. -Because there was a crash. There was like a-- this huge sort of bubble. -The games are like dormant for a while after this crash happening. -Well, I mean it didn't go away completely but they definitely did not have the promise and excitement that they did before this all went down. -Right. Okay. -Yeah, there you go. -So, look forward to that documentary plan coming out later this year. -That's cool, though. I'm gonna-- I mean I'll watch anything. There's something-- I can't even remember what the hell it's called now but there is a very good documentary that takes a look at the early, early years of gaming. -Uh-hmm. -And the transition from arcade to home. -Right. -And it's-- the name of it escapes me. I'll try to find it, maybe put it out on our Twitter or something. -Not to be a downer but I feel like it's gonna be a really anti-climactic bind. -Yeah, because-- -Right. So, it's gonna dig it up and it's gonna be a bunch of dirt. -Yeah. -Probably a few dead animals and like a bunch of classic. That's it. -Well, no. It's like the desert, right? So, there's not gonna be a lot of like-- I think it's literally just gonna be like, you know, cartridges and cement. -Yeah. -And they're gonna be like, this is the reason why we do this. -Yeah, right. -And then fade to block the end. -Worst documentary ever. Made for YouTube documentary. -For sure. All right. So, let's-- -Good work, man. I love how you're bringing in the game talk. -Yeah. You like that? -Yeah. No, I respect the hell out of that. -Thanks. I appreciate that. -Yeah, let's see what else you got. -Let's keep talking about crazy technology. Right? Let's talk about outstanding desk. The thing-- -We've spoken about this before. -The thing now-- -Why are you laughing? -No, because I know your own personal story behind that. -We told that story on the air before. -Oh, yeah, yeah. -Yeah. There's like a guy behind me, one of our other editors. I won't name names but at my workstation here, it's a cube farm and there's an editor that sits behind me that uses a standing desk. Very creepy. -Yeah. -He's not a creepy guy. -And you think he's looking at you all the time. -He's not a creepy guy at all. -No, no, no. -Not at all. He's a nice guy. I like him a lot but when anyone is looming over your back less than 3 feet away from you, feels weird. -You just think that he's constantly looking over your shoulder. -Right. -Like he gives a crap about how many bicycles you're gonna look at online. -Do you think that's the worst [unk]? -I'm saving your ass here. -I do appreciate that. But anyway, this is the opposite of standing desks and this is really cool. This is a review published on Ars Technica of the Seat of Power. They call this, the headline is the "The Computer Workstation for the Person that has Everything." This is funny. We've seen gaming seats like this before. It seems like every year they pop up at CES, right? -Yeah. -And Vibration Gaming Seat. -There's no way they do well, though. -Right? Have you ever tested one of those things before? -Tested something so ridiculous. When I first got to CNET a while back, it was something that-- it was like-- it was called like ass. I swear, it was called something so absurd like the name was equally as absurd as the product. It was like ass thumper or something like that, something so dumb. -Yeah. -And it was like this sub woofer that you installed in your couch. Right? -Yeah. -So, there. So, you're like flip through the manual and you're like-- -Yeah. -How does ass thumper installed to your love seat? Right or whatever. You like turn the beat and it's like items you'll need and like one of them is like a chain. Right? And you're like, huh? And you keep flipping through and you find out that they want you to basically carve out a hole in your seat, in your couch that you bought, right? -Wow. -They're like, oh, after you removed a four square foot-- -And getting permission from everyone in your family. -Yes. -Right, and it's like gently insert the sub woofer up into the-- -You're done. -And you're done. And I just remember being like, what? This is a real product? -That's essentially all those things are. These gaming seats we're talking about. They're basically like bucket seats that you would buy for your after market car. -Yeah. -Right? Like for your car and then they install a sub woofer and speakers into the side of it. -Right. -And that's it. -And you're done. -And you can hook it up too like a monitor that you have in your lap. -It's just so crazy and then, and then if we could just spend another minute with this ass thumper, they-- the sequel came out. -Oh. -Right and they're like-- the press release was like, okay, so maybe we shouldn't have you break your own furniture. So, instead-- I'm not joking, this is real, the name is probably wrong but the product is real. Then they're like, okay, we're sorry when you ruin your couch. They had you screw in one that didn't require any like cutting. You just have to screw in the sub woofer at the bottom. -As if you had bought the first one would then, oh man, you're right. Let me buy the ass thumper too. -Yeah. -They're like, you know what, I'm gonna give these guys the benefit of the doubt. -Yeah. -You trick me once, that's shame on me, right? -Yeah. -So, they go in and they freaking, you know, they're like, all right, you're just gonna have to now drill it into the bottom of your couch because this is the thing people do now. -Is it the ButtKkicker? -Oh, my God. It might be. It might be. -That is the ButtKicker. -Let me see. ButtKicker. -Transform your home theater sound system from pedestrian to visceral with the new tacked out transducer kit. -Okay. So, the ButtKicker, the one we're looking at here, I believe this was the sequel. -Okay. -The other thing they wanted you to put inside your couch. You just find like a cozy spot for it. Throw that bed, Larry, right up in there. -That's so funny. -Anyway-- -Well, that was probably a lot less than the Emperor 2500, -Look at this thing. -which is what we're talking about now. Yeah, I checked this out as we're talking about it. -Looks like it's out of Minority Report or something. -It's awesome. I mean, I would rather have this than a standup desk. This is from MWE Labs in Canada. And it all started in 2006 when this carpenter/web designer appropriately named Martin Carpentier, he got tired of his own workstation and he modeled this chair after an emperor scorpion. So, you could see here it's a seat that reclines, right? Like very padded and comfortable and it's on top of this thrown that has a giant tail coming out that arcs over your head and holds up to 5 monitors. -I need this. I want this really bad. -This is awesome, right? It looks like the Ultimate Captain's chair. They need to have this on and I think the by far the most expensive thing. -Zorbo in the chatroom read my freaking mind just now. He says it looks like one of the haptic rigs from Ready Player One, if you've read that book. Just imagine the little thing that the main character like slides into to enter the oasis. -Uh-hmm. -It feels like one of these things. -Yeah. -Okay. So, much is this little guy in here? -Okay. Wait, let me read you a few of these-- let me read you a few of the features. -Oh sure. -Yes. How much it is? -Okay. -And at the same time, I believe there's gonna be a video that's gonna pop up here as well. -Wonderful. Wonderful news. Yeah. So, this is a captain's, right? It's got a reclined seat with a thigh risk. It's got both sound system built-in. -Sure. -It's got five monitors that swivel as well. -Comes with the monitor? -Comes with the monitors. -Better free. -Italian leather upholstery, right? Retract the monitor stand and it's all controlled by this windows powered tablet screen that you see just to the right on the keyboard on the control panel here. All right? Other features include a heated and cooled seat, depending on what time of the year you're using it. -Sure, yeah. -Reclines up to 30 degrees. It has a built-in HEPA air filter 'cause God knows you're gonna be farting into this thing all day. -No. Really? Is that why? It's like-- -I'm assuming that's what it is. -For your butt toots? -Yeah. -Look at this thing. It's like curling around you, -Yeah. -probably bunking you in the head from above. -I mean, I just want this. -Yeah. -This is when, you know, when they like, when there's like these very, you know, negative envisionments of the future. -Yeah. -Is that a word? Envisionment? Probably not. But you're like, you're probably like attached to their computers instantly. This is what I pictured. -Right, right. -You know, it's like that scene in WALL-E, you know, whenever I don't know, the humans are like attached to those, you know, scooters and whatnot. -This is it. -So, then the whole thing moves up and down too, right? Wow. This thing looks awesome. And it comes fully equipped with this 10-inch windows touch screen. It's audio controlled that has built-in lighting as well. So, you could use it in the dark if you don't wanna interrupt your neighbors or disrupt your roommates. -It looks affordable. -Yeah. -How much did you pay for this? -I mean, I clearly can't afford because it's like-- -Right. None of us can afford it. -It's probably tens and tens of thousand dollars. -Yeah, yeah, guess. -I'm gonna say 35 grand. -Okay. Ariel? -I'll go with $27,000. -Twenty-seven thousand. Are any of us close? -No. -It's more? -Jeff, you're closer but it's way more. It's $49,150 for the model that we're looking at here. -This thing is 50 grand? -Fifty grand for the jerk station 5,000. -I mean, if you could have-- -[unk] and it's your workstation. -That's what people are gonna be used to live for, right? It might as well-- -Yeah. [unk] call, yeah. -Yeah. Might as well come with like a lotion dispenser. -I don't-- if you have 50 grand to burn on something like this, -Uh-hmm. -I don't think you need something like-- you know what I mean? Like I just-- I feel like those two [unk] they won't overlap. -Yeah. You could probably built a custom one for yourself for about 50 grand and have some money left over, right? -I don't know, man. I just want it. I think we need to test it. Can we request a product sample from this guy? Is that possible? -How they deliver it to us? -They probably don't deliver it. They probably-- -Can you imagine the manual for this thing? They put it together. -No. -There's no way you put it together. What-- the way it works is they either ship it, build and like this crazy wooden crate or whatever. -Right. -Looks like, you know, or they build it where you-- they come to you and build it. I could see that happening. -Yeah. They better, right? -I really am not joking. The Emperor 200 seems like a great product. -Yeah. -And I think we need to review it for CNET. -So sick. -You know, there's billionaires who read CNET. They're like, oh, I don't wanna get jacked I'm buying the wrong product. I'm a billionaire, so I need to be really stingy with my purchases. -Yeah. I bet they have [unk] tumbler right now. Right? They probably outfitted in their entire office with these things. -Yeah. It's so cool, man. I know it's like very, you know, weird and you know, absurd but I just, you look at it in black, man. -Yeah. -It comes in black. -So, here are some real photos of it. People sitting in it. They had it at CES this year. I don't know why we didn't see it. Definitely have these things. -Not less cooler in real life. I'm deciding right now. -Yeah. -Some very uncool about it. -Right, yeah. -But I still want it. The greatest part is like that scorpion and tale it has. -Yeah, yeah. -It's so cool. -It's really just a couch with a couple of monitors but that scorpion tails worth apparently 40 grand. -It shouldn't be $50,000 though. -No, no. -It should be ten. -If it was ten they would sell them. -Oh, this thing is cool. -I'm an expert in this. Okay? -Yeah. -So, I just know what I'm talking about. -Uh-hmm. -It's awesome, it's awesome. -Yeah. Very sick, very [unk] adding their own accessories to the jerks. -Like-- oh. -To the jerks that built in flashlight. -I mean, really it's just the jerk's station. Let's just be honest. -How much are you willing to invest in your self push? -You know, it's-- that means a lot. So, for some people you can't put a price on it. -No, you can't. Of course not. -You can't. You can't. All right. Let's move on here before we get too far. -Yeah. -Because we're just dancing on that line. -Where we are, yeah. -So, over the weekend, a new musical genre emerged that I wanted to talk about and then we can listen to a little bit of it. It's called Child Core. -What? -Yeah, did you read this article? It's a profile-- -Wait a minute. Is this the band that was playing in New York like outside of a subway station? -Yeah. -Okay. Continue, sir. I'm very happy about this. -This is awesome. So, do you guys ever have-- do you have bands in like middle school and high school? -Uh-hmm. -I had one, right? We covered a lot of like Blink 182, Weezer, Pennywise, very poorly but these kids are really good. They're called Unlocking the Truth and it's three 6th graders that have been performing in Times Square. And they've been performing pretty much like death metal. -It's crazy. -I guess that's the best way-- -It really is and they're how old again? -They are 11 years old. Three 11-year-olds in 6th grade. -How does a 6th grader get into death metal? -Incredible. Well, that's the-- -Like how the-- you know-- -The [unk] story is really strange but before we get into that, maybe we should just listen to a little bit of the music and there's actually a video that goes along with it too. You guys are gonna be blown away by this. -It's a 4-minute video but you could probably watch a few minutes straight right now. -Yeah, let's just catch a few minutes because you gotta hear this or see this. It's freaking off the rails, man. -Yeah. -Check it out. -It's amazing. -Insane. -Yeah, give them money. More people throwing money to this bucket. -What's the name of their band? -The band is called Unlocking the Truth. Brutal. I mean that got everything down. -Breakdown. -Okay, cool. So, Tell me more about how this happen because I saw this video a while back and I was like how could this have happened? -Yeah. -This is amazing because you're not like-- like I've never seen-- they're so young. -Yeah. -Like I just don't get it. -Their creation story is a little confusing, right? So, Noisy Spice Music Blog, they interviewed these guys and they talked about their musical influences and they're obviously into metal. They're not into hip hop or rap at all despite the fact that their parents are. So, it's not very clear where they got their musical influence from or who actually put them on to metal in the first place. -Yeah. -But that's what they're into. Aside from that, though, they're totally normal kids. In this interview they talked about-- they actually site Guitar Hero and Rock Band as like good ways to practice and improve their finger training skills. -Really? -So, they use that a lot, right? They're normal kids, though. They talked about their favorite candies and how they love to eat sweet cereal and things like that and how they do get picked on a little bit in school. -Why? Because they're too brutal? -Because they're different. Yeah. One of them painted fingernails, true metal head and he gets picked on for that. So, yeah, I mean he's kinda going through-- he's suffering for his art. -It's fine, dude. He can just melt anyone's face whenever he wants. -Yeah. It's ridiculous. -I'm so-- Unlocking the-- [unk] they kinda work on the band name. -No. I like that band name. -You like that? -Yeah, like it's perfect, yeah. That three part band name is crucial to metal. -Unlocking the-- -You know what they need to get is a singer. -Yeah. -They need a vocalist. -Oh, they don't sing? -They don't have a-- well, apparently they did have a vocalist before but due to great differences he left the band. -He left the band. -Yeah. I think he [unk] an alcohol probably and he leaves the band. -Yeah. On their last tour he just [unk] all that of control. -They need a vocalist, though, right? -Yeah, for sure. -They should get a dog to like howl [unk]. -I mean, like, let's be honest, you know, some of these like metalcore band, they only need is a guy who can like grunt. -Yeah. -You know, every 40 seconds. -Did you ever hear that band Hatebeak? -Hatebeak? -Yeah. It was like-- -Time out. I don't know anything about it but I wanna guess. -Okay. -Is it a band like bird? [unk] sort of like a pet bird? -Yeah. Yeah. -Just like quacking into a microphone occasionally? -Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. So, basically, it's like an off-shoot of that band Hatebreed. All right? It's like another metalcore band. -Hatebreed, yeah. Of course. -Yeah, Hatebreed. Except this called Hatebreak. And it basically just got like a canary or something to do the vocals. Listen to this. -All right. Let's-- I wanna see this for sure. But that sounded all right. I thought it's mostly sound. Like what's another animal that can just like screech like that? -I don't know. -Just get it freaking like, you know, donkey or something. You know, it's like, you know-- -A goat. A goat. -A goat, yeah. A goat. You're good, that's it. Look, you train the goat. -Yeah. -You give the goat a carrot every 15 minutes or 15 seconds rather. -That's on the writer, right? And the writer says carrot. -Wheat grass. Easy. Easy to put that [unk]. -Yeah, you just pull one carrot on the table. -It would just be for Larry, just get him like a bunch of grass to, you know, to sort of frolicking and he'll be fine. He'll be good to go on stage. -Yeah. Oh, man. That's so good. -That's great. -The best is at the end of this interview though. The interview we ask, what advice would you give to younger musicians trying to get into where you are now? -Right. -Because they're-- are they in a good place? -They're 11 years old. -Yeah. They're-- okay. What do they respond with? -And they're like believe in your dreams. Hard work pays off and follow your heart. -I'm so-- I'm kinda blown away that they credit rock band. I mean, let's be honest. The only thing that I think rock band really does for you, -Right. -maybe drumming. Could you learn timing and stuff like that? -Right. -There is a little bit of skill there but with the guitars, I don't know. Like strumming I guess. -Yeah. -Like maybe the strumming not like finger really movements at all but maybe the strumming. -Yeah. -Maybe like keeping a beat. -Right. -Of course the better you are in keeping the beat, the better your score. -Yeah, there's no fret, right? You don't have to move your hand in guitar at all. -There's like 5 buttons that would lie in the first five frets maybe. -Yeah, I think it's just for like dexterity of your fingers. -Yeah. -Probably keep those fingers fresh. -It's a good work out for your digits perhaps. -That's awesome and if these guys ever play a show, -We're going, man. -more than happy to go. -As soon as they, you know, it's gonna be an all ages show because they're 12. It's so crazy. I was-- -Super-- -I'm so glad you brought this up because I remember seeing-- I don't know, maybe I saw it like two months ago, the video and I just was being like, man, what the hell-- where-- who are these kids and how did they get into this? -Yeah. This is sick. Look at their bass drum. This is the art that they use. -Nice. -Looks like they drew it themselves. -They're damn-- you're damn straight they did that. -I wasn't as cool when I was young. -Right? They don't-- see, that's the beauty of it. They don't know how cool they are. -Yeah. -And that's the beauty of it, that's why it's so awesome. -Thick. -All right. Awesome. Would you wanna do some calls? What else-- oh, I wanna read a voicemail. Read an e-mail is what I wanna do. -Okay. -Because we only got a few minutes left. We've been talking a lot about like snopes.com. -Uh-hmm. -All right? Two things. Number one. Did you know that there's like this agenda to paint Snopes that's like a Liberal website? That's like corrupting in the hands of Liberals. Have you hard about this? -No. -That's the thing. So, I just wanna throw that out there, which looks sort of make sense, right? Like nothing good can every stay, right? It's like, you know, someone-- if-- someone is always gonna have a problem with something. -Uh-hmm. -Anyway, we really love Snopes. We read it all the time because it's a great fact checking website. Sort of like a mom and pop grass roots fact, checking website. -Uh-hmm. -It just garnered a lot of credibility over the-- over probably more than a decade it's been around. Probably close to 2 decades, you would imagine this website's been around. -Yeah. -Anyway, Al from Chicago writes in and he was talking about the whole issue I had with the chain letter that I received last week and how, you know, I wanted to turn the tables on this chain letter I got and be like, hey, man, this is bull crap. Send it back to everyone you know. He had an interesting thing that happened right around the time of the Boston bombings 'cause there were so much misinformation floating around during that really awful, you know, few weeks that we're dealing with that. And he said he had to realize Snopes story happen to me during the bombing and in the subsequent manhunt. He was at a restaurant for lunch, talking to a co-worker and a guy at the table next to him got into the conversation with us when he heard me mention some of the latest developments that happened that morning. He said, yeah have the worst part I heard about was like the guy who was going to propose to his girlfriend after the raise but she got killed. -Oh. -He says, that story was going around on Facebook, which had been proven to be a complete fabrication. It was a hoax. Someone made it up but it was immediately propagated all over the internet and social networking sites because of its, what? What would you describe it? Why? Was it 'cause it was-- it's like heartbreaking fictionalize story-- -Right. -That seem to line up with the few pictures that you could find on the internet. -Right. -But again, the story was completely fabricated. So, Al, the whistle blower here, he says, dude, I told the guy, no, actually that's not a true story. Somebody made it up. He was generally surprised but the damaged was already done. Too many people blindly accept any crap they see on their e-mail, here from a friend, Facebook, Twitter or wherever and the stupidity just snowballs out of control and drowns out the truth. So, this is something that's been going on for a while. It's-- I mean, I don't-- you know, and I was [unk] of what the internet made something up [unk] itself. -Right. -You know, how do you teach someone to be skeptical? How do you teach someone to always read everything with a green of-- or an assault on the internet, you know. -Yeah. -How do you inflict that? To me, that's the biggest thing you have to teach young people on the internet and apparently elderly people on the internet, right? -Yeah, but I mean that line is definitely learned though. -To be skeptical. -Yeah, but-- I mean, when you read things on CNN, when you read things on what you thought [unk] to be reputable websites. -Right. -Especially during this Boston thing. I think that has really opened my eyes. I mean, I'm a skeptic at heart. -Sure. -But on the internet-- -Sure. -But when you read stuff like this on sources that you used to trust, it's a little-- I don't know. -It's hard. -Yeah, it's heard to tell what's real and what's not. I agree. -I know. -I can't believe anything, man. -Yeah. -Well, can you believe? And even the people-- like you said, even trusted sources sometimes, I think everyone across the board. -Uh-hmm. -I don't wanna get back into the Boston thing but everyone across the board during that lost a little bit of credibility. -Yeah. -You know. But unfortunately it takes things like this to happen, you know, this has to happen for us too [unk] the bomb and be better. -Yeah. -That's what I think. All right. Calls from the public time. Let's hear few of these before we say goodbye for the day. -Time to show your love. -Call me. -866-404-CNET. -The 404. -Calls from the public time. People still calling in, the calls continued to pour in regarding Justin's adventure one week ago today. -Yeah. -How do you feel 7 days later? -You know it's weird because I came out with very little affect, like, very little things that affected me that last up 'til today. You know, like a week later, my hands healed up, you know, like I don't have scars or anything like that. Nothing awful happened. -Have you gotten the shot? -I have not gotten the shot yet, though. -Have you seen a doctor? -Goodbye. Yeah. So, nothing really lasted with me. So, I think it's weird. It's really surreal like it doesn't feel like it's a week ago, kinda just feels like it was so long ago and now, it's totally back to normal. So, I'm fine but never gonna back to the wild again. -I don't blame you. Speaking of the wild, we got a listener from Alaska. I believe this might be the first Alaskan native that's called in to the show. -Uh-hmm. -Making that could be completely wrong about that but nevertheless, let's hear what he has to say about the woods in Alaska. Hey, guys. This is Max. Listen, I understand that it's scary now being stuck in the woods. I myself has done a couple all night hike before but just wanted to put this in perspective. I live in Anchorage, Alaska and when 911 happened, quite a few hunters got stuck for a few weeks out wilderness because what happens in Alaska, since there's nothing to do here for fun, we like to go get clone out a bush pilot and then you know, hunt animals in the middle of nowhere, which is you know, most of our state. And so a lot of people were stuck because it was no flying allowed for I think like 2 or 3 weeks after 911. -That's kinda crazy. -And they didn't know happened, you know, these-- most people can't afford satellite phone, it's like a thousand bucks and I think that I've heard some people say that if anything [unk] because [unk] excuse, hunt some more animals in there I supposed to. So, anyway, just wanted to give you that little story. I'm sure that as a city slicker and it relatively scares you to be stuck in the wilderness all night but there are those of us still left the United States to enjoy the actual outdoors and not just, you know, but all Kibbutz wanna be fun. -Oh. -Yeah. -Is that-- I think Kibbutz is not a derogatory term. -I've never even heard that before. What does that mean? -I think it's like a Jewish word, Kibbutz. -Yeah. Okay. -Anyway, we're still not sure Alaska is part of United States. So, hold up on that declaration. Okay? Good sir. Yeah, man. I mean more power to you. Again, like Justin survived and lived to tell the tale. -Yeah. What do I-- what I would not have given to have a rifle with me during that time, though. You know, I mean like-- -But would you have shot? -I don't know but I probably would have felt a lot safer than I did. You know, probably we need to shot whatever [unk] those lies. -No, dude. -I can look on my hunting license afterward. -I'm pretty sure a rifle would have changed nothing. It would only would have increased your odds of dying. -Yeah. Probably, accidentally yeah. -You just, you know-- -But it sounds like these hunters who get flown in by bush pilots are probably much more prepared to handle themselves-- -Right. -in the survival situation that I was. -You know what's really crazy, people who go like heli-skiing or like heli-boarding-- -Yeah. -You call it heli-boarding? I don't know. -Right. The chopper just drops off them off in the middle of nowhere and that's the basic and like make it down to the summit. -Yeah. -Right? And I'm just-- and they're fully prepared to be like lost. -You can-- I think that's a package. You can buy a travel package where the-- they're like teaching survivals tips. -Right. -And they drop you off in the middle of nowhere and kinda get out. -And they're like, good luck. -Yeah. -Here's a GPS beacon. Good luck. -That's so cool. No thanks, man. No thanks. -Didn't you tell me about a story a couple of weeks ago someone hiring snipers to shoot goats out of that helicopter because of some infestation problem. -I didn't tell you that. -You know what I'm talking about? -That's crazy. -No, that wasn't me. That wasn't me. -That sounds like a 404 story but I didn't tell you that. -I'm pretty sure that was you. No? -I didn't tell you that. No. -Okay. -Next call. More great compliments on your fantastic story. -Hey, 404. This is New Hampshire from Lorenzo. One time listener but it's been a year or so since I've heard you guys. Thanks to my busy schedule but just caught up and finished Tuesday's podcast with Justin's story and just had to call in for the first time in a long time to say that he is a masterful storyteller, that guy. So, Justin, really enjoyed your story. You're like M. Night Shyamalan from the good year. So, glad everything turned out okay and keep talking. Love you. Bye. -He loves you. Yeah, man. M. Night Shyamalan, is that the kind of storyteller you wanna be compared to? -Yeah. It's okay. -I'm kidding. He had two good movies. -Yeah. -That's great. -He directed that Will Smith movie that just came out, right? -Yeah, the one that everyone hates. -Yeah. -Yup? -Did you guys watch it? -No. -I like how they under publicized the fact it was directed by M. Night Shyamalan. -Oh, my God. -None of the poster said-- -Well, that's like the amazing thing. If you notice-- -Into Earth, is that it's called? -After Earth. -After Earth, yeah. -If you notice-- After Earth is actually written by Gary Whitta. You know who Gary Whitta is? Gary Whitta used to be the editor-in-chief of PC Gamer Magazine. -And now he's like a Hollywood screenwriter. -Interesting. -He wrote the Book of Eli also, this guy. -Okay. -Apparently this one, people didn't like but that doesn't mean it's his fault. That could be Shyamalan's fault. Anyway, if you look at-- and he must have assigned some sort of like multi, multi picture deal with whoever puts out this movie. -Right. -Shyamalan. -If you notice, you go from like Sixth Sense to an After Earth, -Uh-huh. -His presence in the credit he's billing has just gone down and down and down to the point where it's not even like an M. Night Shyamalan film. -Yeah. Look at this poster. -Yeah. Let's look at-- -So, this is the poster for After Earth. Big Will Smith and James Smith in the corner. -Oh, yeah. -Got the tag line here. -Yeah, yeah. -No word about Shyamalan. -No. You wouldn't even know in a million years. -Let's zoom in. -It's fun. -You have to go all the way to the bottom, and look, they even blur out his name a little bit. And there's an apology right out there. -There's an asterisk next to his name that says, our bad. No, we're joking. Look, he's got a lot of money, M. Night. I guess I'd still trade places with him 'cause he could always like turn it around. -Yeah. He's one good. -Like he could always decide. One day he'd just like, oh, you know, I'm gonna make a good one again. And just-- -Drop them the ball. -Left and right, I don't know. All right. We got-- oh, you'll like this call, Justin. It deals with the bicycles. -Oh, nice. -Yeah. Let's hear with our buddy from Brooklyn. -Hey, what's up 404? It's Paul from Brooklyn. So, I wanted to quickly comment on the Citi Bike saying I've been pretty [unk] like will I probably ride about 100 miles a week and I live in Dumbo. -Dude, that sounds like a lot. How much do you ride a week? -Not 100 miles. I mean, it only takes 10 minutes to get to work through casual rides. -Yeah. This guy is a baller. -Yeah. He's pretty hardcore. -He's gonna make you look pretty soft. -Look like Pee-wee Herman, right? -Yeah. -Have you seen Pee-wee Herman? -Yeah. You don't even-- is that a Pee-wee's big adventure reference right there? Anyway, continue Paul. -Oh, these things are all over the neighborhood, which I really have not a problem with but the other day, Monday, I was coming out of my apartment and I turned the corner, I'm on my bike and there's these two people with matching shirts-- matching outfits basically on the Citi Bikes, both of them have helmet mounted GoPro Cameras. And I turned it over my head and I kinda looked at in a black and it was completely involuntary but I mean, they were just the definition of dorkism on every level and they were going to have a good time with their GoPro and their Citi Bikes. So, I figured I'd share that. So, thanks, guys. Take care. -All right. He's totally right, which-- I mean, Paul, do it now right away, man. Start at Tumblr. Start like the Citi Bikes shared dumb ass Tumblr [unk] or something like that. -Yeah. -Because there's gonna be plenty of that. -Yeah. -Don't forget, this is really popular in other major metropolitan cities. -Uh-hmm. -So, there's-- I'm sure there's a fresh air of these constitution [unk]. -All right. Yeah. -Yeah, if you could have put a GoPro on your helmet, you have to be doing something that no one else can do. Right? -No. I'm sure. -Like you have to shoot a video that people are like, wow, this is really amazing. -Right. -Right? Like drop out of a helicopter. Go base jumping or something like that. -Right and-- -You can't just ride a Citi Bike-- -Through New York is not impressive. -through New York at like 2 miles per hour. That's not fun. -No. It's not impressive. Obviously, the no-brainers like skydiving and stuff like that or-- -Right. Or put on like a dog. There was that one of a GoPro being eaten by a bear. That was really cool and you could see the teeth chopping on top of it. -Dude, you have to get it back? -That was awesome. It survived. Those things are really tough. -No. But like, did the bear poop it out? -Yes, the entire inside of his digestive system. -That would be unbelievable. -Yeah, yeah. Bear buckle, it's awesome. -All of a sudden it's just like-- anyway, don't try and visualize that. But yeah, you have to be doing something kinda cool, regardless it's more about how lame it is to just I don't know. -Yeah. -Put on a GoPro on a little bike. -You know what really sucks is that everyone of those Citi Bikes has a bell on the left-- underside of the left handle bar. -Right. -So, you're gonna be hearing those things if you're like walking to city or walking at the street. -And it doesn't ring. It just like shop with Citibank. -Yes. -That's all it says. -A tag line. -What's their tag line? I don't even know. -I have no idea but that's gonna be-- get really, really annoying. I don't know if you've ever been walking, heard a ring behind you. -Right but it's been a week, right? -Yeah. -Is it affecting-- is it compromising New York City life? I don't think so. I really haven't seen a lot of them. -Really? I saw a bunch over the weekend. -Well, yeah, I mean, I'm really not in the city on the weekends, -Uh-hmm. -as much as you guys are. And I don't know. -Yeah. Yesterday was crazy. I saw a lot. Did you see them, Ariel? -I saw some. Yeah, I saw some yesterday. -They're coming to Hoboken too. -Oh, really? -Yeah. -I'm kinda psyched about that though. -It does seem like at first, when I heard about it, I thought it'd be more of a tourist attraction but it is kind of a good way to get across town, you know, if you bought like a year long membership and you know we don't have to worry about picking your bike up force. -Right. -[unk] at the stairs or something like that. -And don't forget man, I don't think it's a touristy thing. I think, you know, like Paul said, he saw this-- you know, he was sort of dumbfounded by these two, you know, dorks with the same alphets on. -Right. -But anyone who comes to New York for the first time is go petrified of what's going on here. The last thing they're thinking and their mind is like, let's get on the bike. -I hope so, yeah. -Let's get on a bike and really, like really challenge ourselves here. It's treacherous and I'm terrified of riding a bike in Manhattan. -Right. Will you-- -Without a helmet even. -Without a helmet. It's just-- it's crazy. -Yeah. -It's crazy. So, I don't know. Yeah. So, at your own risk, I guess. You have to like really sign away a lot of stuff right when you sign up for the-- -What? Life if you get hit on-- -Yeah. You have to like wave all liability. -I'm sure. Yeah. I don't' know. I've never signed up for it but I'm sure that's the case. -Yeah, interesting. All right. That's gonna do it for us, guys. Again, as the chatroom has just reminded me, this is the last week to enter the MLB NBA 2K13 contest. We've gotten a few submissions in already but you should definitely join the party. Have you just seen these? They're really funny. We'll start showing them when we get back from E3, when we give out the awards. But they're really, really funny. All you gotta do is film a video, 30 seconds or less of how you excel or mostly likely don't excel at the fine sports of baseball and basketball. Throw in a 404 reference for extra credit. Haven't said extra credit in a while, that's awesome. And send your video link over to the firstname.lastname@example.org. -Uh-hmm. -All right? Let us know how that works out. Again we're giving away 6 prized packs. Three for PlayStation 3 and three for Xbox 360. So, get on that right now if you like playing video games. That's like $100 value. So, do it. Okay? -Cool. -All right. That'll do it for us today. We're back here tomorrow, 866-404-CNET is the number to call. E-mail us, Twitter or Faceebook, enstagra,. All that good stuff. We'll see you soon, guys. Thanks for tuning in. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez. -It's the 404 high tech, low brow, back here on Tuesday. We'll see you then.