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Dialed In #201: Too polite for a fanboy brawlThe Facebook phone, RIM's continued decline, and iPhone versus Android are all on the table in this week's Dialed In podcast, with guest hosts Antuan Goodwin and Roger Cheng.
It is Monday November 20 -- outlet and I'm just -- all we're watching -- and financial podcast and joined today by Android -- and hands on midwinter you're in their Francisco county and by CNET news -- reporter Roger -- in New York. Technical difficulties yes -- -- complete yet knocking on Douglas. Of course we have technical producer -- beach and keeping things -- over here could not use that a patent sap. Talking a little bit before they show of course we just had Thanksgiving and I am silent during Thanksgiving and I'm part of my -- but. It's -- an -- pads and Thanksgiving attempts. -- I got a flat tire on driving them away at like 1130 -- -- which is a lot of fun. -- that a donor -- at all. -- -- And I'm sure all the lights -- the cars zooming by you -- -- your -- again it's likely that was his eyes and you know and and and I had an unnamed family member. -- dubbed -- nice vintage. Glass of wine on my laptop is now -- -- The beginning says I finally got it up and working security. It sounds then that or -- -- not agree that -- and what a -- of -- yeah well and a few you can really -- to -- an -- anecdotal and a quarter. But -- go into every -- in Dunston inflate that are in that it want to keep review process. Why doesn't have that everyone's laptop tablet pristine and balls like residents -- the -- line now yeah anyway I broke my -- this -- and -- I love -- specifically I broke the micro USB port. I hate micro USB silverlight slick -- have had any code like you in the all Wear out after six and they all go through this repeated stress test yet. Will mean the repeated stress test the probably the perfect ninety degree angle there -- but languages that are like plugging things and then you know. The only need to read more -- have more respect for your paying if I can't help. UI lets me hanging in there and like pulling -- it weird angles New Dragon and -- around by the USB cable. Now now now I don't do that anymore. -- -- -- But after phone number to your brand your neighbors -- -- -- to be more careful with it but it's like something about like the three month mark. Then after it have been the lake wiggle the cable around here that even wiggles in the first was the problem -- Rodger hunter Thanksgiving break. -- -- as and those Thanksgiving at mania. Black Friday at malls to and I. Old man you could you can make your intentions there. -- the Turkey an expert on your hand it now that now giving a very nice. -- demonstrate this the mall experience -- -- to a UL. You've -- would like -- used to be like a joke. It was just like it was all day after Thanksgiving sales -- and -- you know people -- don't know what's Black Friday canoes Dietrich had ripped off for the mall. In other commercials going like Black Friday sale. And -- you and -- negative kind of teach in there right but it's it's. The black vs the red of the bottom line store yeah I mean it yet but that like bricks through active -- they they went back and the -- You know false. Entomologist is that -- I -- -- story came found them out of that it is. I'm gonna disagree with the air just for fun because. Later today you will see you hopefully some disagreement and I don't know Yemen and I didn't happen to you I know I'm gonna like after region of -- punch you guys are -- -- -- for -- -- -- yeah. Only one who can actually be -- yet and I would be my friend I you know my arm can't actually reached that far but I can grow was not -- -- you -- it right. I know lol war broke we're gonna do is we're gonna call Justin -- and and we're gonna get -- -- -- Roger because we need you guys angry because dialed and they're having its first ever fan boy overall. Girls matter beacon partners that -- block. -- that I like a boxing better. So we'll revisit back but first. We're gonna head up a couple of stories. On so basically -- ripe for break we heard about the face that found that not. The HTC status FaceBook found another -- -- found. And Roger rightly asked you would buy in Spain -- -- tell us a little bit about what the deal is without. -- ballots. -- -- -- -- A -- a phone that FaceBook is working with HTC on -- the more of its fully integrated FaceBook phone as opposed the estimates and status. I am I just you know taking a step back -- who would buy this thing that's. I used FaceBook a lot I -- and am addicted to it when I'm on my computer but. You know when -- on the though the UT really need every aspect to your phone tied in -- FaceBook and you want every aspect of your. -- tied in to FaceBook and can you not already do it every aspect of and -- potent and basically the yeah you -- I -- actually with ice cream sandwich their -- now they're locking out some of FaceBook -- it's -- flat. -- -- -- stock Android doesn't really integrated with FaceBook as well as silicon HTC or Motorola phones as -- -- -- has some of its -- integration app yet. For -- -- as well so they really. And and ID to go ahead and do that. Bread and then yeah exactly it's you can get all the -- as you want com. What's an HTC's ninety's sensor moto blur or any of these other customized. User in -- I'm signed this. -- bank and why I -- on but I Islam. Well why -- HTC thinks that we need to patents that we've got the status out there right and it's it's been -- -- little. Okay so the status -- actually it looks bad and and yeah they just realize -- recited at the teeny screen. As -- and landscape -- you can see some things then. I mean it is locked into landscape -- you can tilt in Q technically portrait and -- against the -- land game and and has a little tiny face back button. And that was good I -- or we expect I guess its display. Maybe faster. On the screen is really small and I don't think you're doing I don't think eighteenth he was doing gangbusters selling -- -- unit. -- -- from a -- but that phone is it's marketed towards teenagers and element of poignant teenagers don't want phones are marketed to them. They want -- -- -- of phones they -- phones everyone else thinks is cool. So that's all for -- faced extra. Now you don't need sixty. Now Canada you'll -- exhibited by the way this is what FaceBook thinks FaceBook is working with HTC is you as you know like. You know Google has worked with HTC to make their own phone next -- the original Nexus One. I XTC is often the preferred partner because they're just mister bend over backwards to kind of help out. -- partners and in golden sun so this may not be an XTC strategy this is more days FaceBook initiative. The data using HTC's capabilities to create the farm. -- but -- you have any sense on -- its involvement with their original HTC status. And that Cha Cha that's not yet released any us. Right now in the worst files seems like it's more HTC and FaceBook granted I mean I'm sure FaceBook and some hand in it but it wasn't anywhere near. The kind involvement they're gonna have with this phone if it comes says. Relation and it still. It's on the drawing boards right now reportedly on the drawing boards. So we don't even know if it's on electric amount it just right now -- they have some very initial plans for aids is. So an autistic and aired a new -- Philly the only person of interest to businesses someone's grandma. Who's like -- on the Facebook's now you can tell -- -- Facebook's -- session. Or Mark -- Maybe I don't know if he does it look mean and depend on what it looks like from the -- -- enough answer your colleagues still -- up yet I was gonna say you've -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Steve yea or nay nay nay I can do FaceBook on my iPhone it's that works fine I don't need a FaceBook phone I think. That area haven't looked a bit odd so great is -- customers can. Jets and -- yet. So AT&T'S. Chances of owning T-Mobile are looking a little bit more -- now. Vitamins. Basically there's more opposition to the deal and that. Maggie reduce -- directory and covering it as well do an apples and on with yet on -- India alone mean. This thing obviously was in those a month -- months go to the DOJ in a suit to block the deal. I'm now the ST CSR stepped in and and said you know they they want to review the deal as well in expressing their concerns. And on Thanksgiving at 2 AM AT&T but are -- saying that they were actually withdrawing their applications SEC. I'm basically what they're doing is focusing all their efforts on the TO -- southern item looking at the SEC process more than just sort of looking. Focusing solely on DOJ. And you know it's it's unclear how long -- is gonna last -- it could. -- awhile actually since via -- court date for the TO JC doesn't. Actually start until February of next year Sony can go on for months after that. So what I mean what's gonna happen now. Are well made essentially. -- a lot people assume that steel is pretty much dead mean AT&T I think is gonna tried valiantly. Say this thing about whether to be -- of the DL maybe. A break up T-Mobile -- -- -- or -- -- -- -- -- to other companies that kind of preserves the competition and industry but. Right now it seems like eighteen -- fighting a losing battle. So what does that leave T-Mobile. For their prospects mean T-Mobile wants to get -- -- -- at least headquarters. And had to restore -- -- yet they were slowing and they wanna get rid of it they wanna shut it -- public utility -- in the US and well along in some respects although they are actively releasing phones there's stole a lot of commercials they're absolutely operating as an independent company right now. The funny thing is actually a really great time to sign up. Of for team officers now mean that the plans error as cheap as they never been -- service is actually Begin I think largely because -- people of last that. You know you basically -- at and T I -- to run on. And admitted they had an old -- -- she claimed but it's pretty fast its its pretty good service and it's considerably cheaper than. AT&T -- Verizon. And I -- but -- as -- Is a big question -- if this deal falls through what happens T-Mobile. Where we're actually looking at that right now I'm in some other options are -- come in -- -- the cable companies -- Do a deal with them. -- there's still a lot of options because as you said Deutsche Telekom doesn't want this thing anymore. They want to get rid of it and so something has be done. They can also sell off parts are yet to break it make or break it up meaning they do -- have viable spectrum. -- it's there are a lot of question marks on on what could happen but -- up hospital. Well -- in handset -- We heard it before the Thanksgiving break at LG was having this you know sort of like. Launch event on December 1 and what the Canadian government expects it to be V app -- -- true HD. However this morning. We got news from AT&T about that LD pitcher who aren't even and announced. As of this morning so more about that phone is that it is going to be available in AT&T stores and online on December 4. For 250. Dollars with a new two year contract and is a dual core one point five gigahertz phone. Of course it is -- And it is going to be AT&T'S third four GL TE Smartphone. Which is. Only great if you live in the areas that have four GL TE however AT&T it's definitely committed to expanding. And have they have their plan their state of play in history seventy million Americans. By that and at 2000 -- So right now it's in fifteen markets it's absolutely in a -- says that this phone has up for point five inch HD display. And there you have that I mean we haven't seen -- yet. I don't know if they're still going to announce that on December 1 Crist and the comments equipment. If it is it -- -- Does and I can take pictures yet be -- it wouldn't be the first time that manufactures announcement thing in and -- announced a couple of days later and stroke Samsung does -- on. But it would be a waste of perhaps it's. So I hope LG -- something else not that the nature is an interesting but if this is their whole idea maligned plan it's pretty terrible -- as far as I'm concerned. Actually it was my time until it announced of them -- you're going you can't get up in that -- -- audio -- -- the NIH rose the next tank on. Another and a pocket when -- and tended -- chorus arts. Sprint has RD jumped -- to CS madness with the save the date. And that. Who knows what that's going to team they have -- -- folding motif on -- -- by origami thing. Yet it's are obvious am I get the mobile phone of some sort of mobile phone. Could have anything to do -- it. I'm thinking maybe may be -- -- regionally and and the -- -- -- harmful elements. It might be a total red Herring in might have absolutely nothing to do with a fountain and -- over it -- think it is until last night. You're that like weird -- concept from earlier this year and it was like three panels you can like folded -- collected. Trying goal early view being in the you can put it out with -- -- that you can like old until it is VC and it in your pocket is this -- -- -- Wolverine cubes to fruitful -- and eating and unlocking. Now remember when it was called it was just like if we are constantly remembering that is -- -- -- -- now. I don't know maybe they're getting like a version of you know the -- the -- -- called the -- -- with the tablet the one. With a called -- I don't know if there -- their camp as -- idea that I personally blankley yeah I was gonna tell Randall -- Ryan and a I -- to sort of slid on a mineral -- -- screens asleep on the job it's no real fault is that hinges. But yeah it's still early to -- you yeah actually any kind of like pop up a little -- -- five degree fold. From -- -- implement it easily in most memorable thing about -- known as the -- -- performance. -- the coolest thing and then. B some of feeling like. -- was here the most memorable thing for me is that like it's still haven't disappeared -- the -- market is one of my phones. I used like a DA in late. Think my -- -- Knoll include padded to use -- -- office can't lend it to me for like. 45 minutes can I don't know anyone else who how to convey at a liked it pretty early you know he added is still Alicia -- -- in the Android market -- like -- whenever I install that they give you wanna put it on the account. -- -- And Google if it delays accidents. To meet new -- -- cancer -- -- -- Arab members it and can build up. Where is the thing and -- And now -- Think I would have memorized -- and now -- I've actually out of molds that -- could actually pressed open on this earlier I've been trying to get rid of these for months. Why -- self control. Do you know could blink whenever Brian Cooley here of net -- them out you should just hide them to never -- -- -- really good finder. -- that -- with it in your desk and. -- -- and make sure he never sees this episode. Alright sorry he was just about -- HT fi in them is are paying more phones. Obviously. In 2012 specifically it fears revive aircraft. And so HTC Motorola Samsung. Are huge contenders for 800 -- -- particularly. In the US and HTC -- Roger again you've been following HTC and him science and -- how they're doing in their earnings calls -- give us a recap. -- on an eight XTC. -- a shot out -- -- first big Android player bomb but don't the last year -- so this sort of lost ground Samsung conceded there. Their titles Samsung what is really overtaken them both in the US and globally now -- why is that is that because of Samsung's volume. It is it's a largely it's -- -- -- Samsung's able to crank out more phones has more access markets. Arguably better partner relationships. And you know they sort of had their own strategy -- galaxy S two -- their own flagship on. Whereas if she C. You know they're there -- more flagship phones for next year because this year -- just in really getting good. Flagship slot -- a major carriers and you've got some decent phones and each but the US carriers but. None of the phones which really can award the big marketing push com. Maybe they'll only line I'd argue with you -- the -- definitely is -- right now that's facing tough competition and it -- -- access and zap electric razor on Verizon for their alt three on the same carrier -- getting a good are you guys. Any of those three sons to be flagship phones but the point -- there's three of them are -- coming puts -- in a bad position absolutely. You know sensors -- it has the galaxy S -- -- the other carriers which. May not be the main phone at those carriers but at least -- eighty. -- one of the main stones com. So. It's it's -- to save changes HTC has been they've had discount huge. Sustained run for a long time and now you know in the third quarter they are. Last week they silently and quietly warned that you know and then the next quarter of their accuracy any growth at all any revenue growth from a year ago which is. I kind of stunning. Lot of people were taken buys eyes -- now warning. Suggests that. One HTC may have lost a bit of ground to its competitors but also. You know that even the Smartphone guys ever in its its bustling market right now but even those guys are starting to feel -- effects of these the global economic. Blows a world -- Seven becomes a question for HTC. I think it becomes a question HTC's identity -- Ford because if they are going to take the strategy. And -- you out compete Samsung in terms of volume they have to decide what their phones are going to be traditionally. They have pushed a lot of -- resource says into great hardware that looks much more premium and -- software with -- TC sense over laying an untried. So. They -- it Heine of work -- to sense that -- you know it's it's a really beautiful interface that I have really county champion and it's it's beautiful but it's also Smart it's got a lot of extra features that it -- ads in grade. Google has recognized that it's taken some of those features and -- -- ice content. Just as Google has also done -- Samsung's TouchWiz and a bunch of other you know mobile operating systems and Android makers so. Already I've started to see one -- two HTC phones that don't really fit the bill like the HTC vivid. On looks much like -- Samsung -- it's got a little bit of cheaper body more plasticky it does with his design. As most of the HTT felt so I wonder what's gonna happen there. Although if -- are pushing flagship phones than those he might as are going to be more time consuming to -- as well with much more industrial design. -- going into it. A lot of. Are designed -- just and cheers HC Sierra petition a note that the HTC four G phones work as that's where you sort of get a flash its test is pushing. LTE phones sort of would be most super premium found that it exactly but the -- they've had is that. The battery life on those phones haven't been particularly good I mean -- rushed out the thunderbolt. Partly because as I know all about the only read the battery life as you -- you -- barrel -- -- arable. And some the other guys like NS -- -- the Samsung mode in the Motorola -- -- -- The barrel wrestled better on -- phones and then -- HTC's new managed servers been able to do. Even the resound I mean it's a good phone but if you look at it design wise it's been a barrel -- okay but it's. Also come a -- phone. On why it doesn't -- -- already thousands of app and a relative to some of the other -- Have seen it deterred RAZR which -- -- -- an anorexic but I don't actually mean it's a picker found. But I personally know I did -- relieved -- might think it's it's definitely within range. And a lot of people -- -- you know everybody likes different -- -- -- actually prefer smaller and some people do you prefer to have a little bit more half because their little less slippery in the hand. -- so. We talk about the and it's a lot here it's a matter of actually I'm I'm -- of -- people who preferred I don't that we use. Something you say you're vulnerable with its extender packed with perfect lamented its -- still it being but I mean I'm I'm I'm marketing back to -- one. A good that was my first intro -- like this that the world proper Smartphones we'll that it also picked because of the keyboard Lolita in lake but it also. Felt like it was made out of metal. Right so it's like you could like spike that -- like football flick it one of the screened in crack it mean it was -- -- -- things crash really is. After they started but -- managed yeah you're right it is a solid sun. I -- -- could tell that you -- that -- or -- I mean if it feels like you know believe that -- that have -- recently like for example the thunderbolt out of only dropped it once. And I mean the it's it's all Marta as the result of that yet I think but -- -- drop wouldn't damage but belittling a bitter finish. HTC -- something and so work product also camera you can back up a camera on the vivid with guide but and -- they have been you know. Really advanced cameras on pad and sensation forgy India have. And me as forgy that the those that you'll actually -- -- with T-Mobile because I'm also thinking about that T-Mobile myTouch slide four GU. Some one and a -- -- -- means for me to actually it's that help. I'm so I think also what this means is that there going to be a lot of HTC announcement that we can expect at CES and mobile world congress. I think all but you know on the other hand I think part of Samsung's. Like strength is that they put a lot of weight behind. A couple of -- So it's like a gallon in the galaxy S two you pretty much know. That they flood the market with an enemy -- at least one -- every carrier with wondered -- variations to understand but I mean they're all. Galaxy S two phones -- -- -- -- review for the galaxy S two and you see it's good. And then AT&T -- and you like well that's the one I heard about it degraded that I get that I robbery was -- like well that's even Eric will have but one thing is it lake HTC at any given time I mean they have a bunch of different phones that you -- really have a way of really understanding the link between them. Is this phone on T-Mobile similar to the one on Verizon and I'm actually interested in but I'm stuck with T-Mobile. Like it there's a lot of confusion around what would actually is the best phone release DC right now and I think. I -- personally im confused about it quite often. Well part of the problem -- me Samsung hasn't established brand so -- but all of its marketing dollars which it has obviously way more resources XTC. I can put its marketing dollars behind a brand like galaxy S two -- XTC they're still spending money on HTC -- they're just trying to get people to. You don't understand what XTC years. Has a few years ago HTC with not being there are white label HDTV they were -- -- -- -- a lot of -- and. -- and it it actually they've done a really good job of building the brand -- you kind no HTC is but I like and went on it and if they didn't they don't have the resources to put. Money to specific phones -- really rely on the carriers who. -- -- -- terrorism and he has so many phones to a to promote now it is that. End of the share of -- budget HTC gets now was probably less than they did a year or two years and when they were sort the main entrance -- Act apps like it because it's a matter of quantity at this point it so keep your eyes peeled for more HT -- news and HTC is the only company about is warning for lower expectations for rim. Again. As always these days. Also licking. At lower projections. While and it's it's not -- to -- I should clarify its out -- of Wall Street analysts are calling for Lawrence that I. -- -- Rim and minorities -- -- they've done their damage themselves and now -- streets are weighing in again in saying well. -- -- -- -- Surrender is taking a big fat nose -- Yeah I just stick it continuation of you know this side -- now -- that is rim it has -- troubles. I read posts about to -- allotment alt tab and then also has -- allotments and the the Black Friday Cyber Monday shopping on how to choose your best -- -- for you. And I got a little bit of heat for not in creating black -- and her. Because I said. -- my initial wording was top three mobile OS's and -- needed. IOS Android and windows. And I had to change the wording to -- momentum. Because Windows Phone although I will -- -- -- I mean. It definitely has the most momentum and it doesn't have the market share yet it has more apps actually eaten then. Blackberry app world right now. And buy it I. I think to see changes pretty obvious. An -- I think it's time for him to start bailing the need to come up with something drastic reprinting -- -- -- we've been seeing it. For a couple years in fact -- -- the wind is rapidly leaving their sales. Like what -- -- -- stressed that they might be using BC are you suggesting that -- leadership change idea. Yeah -- cut at least one CEO maybe swap out either they need a leadership change that you look at. Eric Garcia level team I mean I think it's got like five -- six wires and usually it company has CEOs -- -- CO. It's got like five or six guys. And it I think one retired this year com. But it's it's a complicated NASA's -- in the upper ranks rim as a -- -- into why the -- -- -- -- while others are resistant to change. Will also. Might as. CEO. Through in this kind of situation where I can get -- and it's very hard to let go at something that you built from the ground successfully. Right well good but the main -- those guys aren't going anywhere as well as reason and chimps -- are the two largest shareholders in -- That's really to AME when there's a large shareholders and -- -- is that is pretty tough to remove. So that is a recipe for the regular. Idea and on that note we're gonna take a quick ad break we're gonna come back -- -- -- boy brawling. To get ready for that you guys. Are getting mean. -- within a minute. And Molly Wood and rightfully inviting you to join us for the 2011 edition of CNET holiday help -- happening every Monday at 3 PM eastern noon Pacific it's where we make you look like a brilliant tech gift -- as we take your live calls and -- your email. That's -- -- on one right now the holiday help desk at cnet.com. Along with the rest of CNET editors were gonna point you to the right products at the right price it's holiday help desk Monday that new -- Welcome back every -- and what. -- are we are now about to start today's entertainment. And fun here as I mentioned it is a fervent Android fan and also the host at CNET and trade -- podcast. -- on other hand is a new iPhone convert and self proclaimed fan boy. Roger. Why did you pick I found -- -- every making the switch forum. I I was actually I had. Several years of blackberries. And -- the the last couple months I was using it thunderbolt. And and I just I was sick of it and when the iPhone came out by -- hop on and immediately. Why would appeal -- you. I guess it's us to some more stable operating system it as I just find -- more reliable I don't to use things like tweak it or whatever and I just Earl. Like experienced what it is. And it's and -- cannot do anything to customize your phone and iPhone is. A better option. And I just I just found it more reliable. Rented may have just -- the thunderbolt but. Enters a while back -- I wanna say a battery -- was better but it's inside a presents an upgrade to the new -- system that terrorists -- anymore but before I went to five point -- point one it was a better -- And -- your battery is meant so little bit not so -- not as bad as the thunderbolt but it can't speak and give it too much of an edge. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm not -- here bat at that new idiom I'm not mean enough but I don't really no wrong in the right thing. But I we'll see that you know for a lot of people -- that it's a completely different. Sort of -- a completely different set of of parameters used to pick your phone for me. I came from my first Smartphones are actually at T-Mobile shadow as new Windows Mobile photos terrible -- -- Aren't we are going you're coming from like -- simply flip phone was awesome and it like this and Elvis -- idea. Packet that opera I can delicate filed trees -- -- But in lake after that smashed in and -- -- in other random windows from the can't remember. Last mobile apps yet Windows Mobile time. OK with it some time kind of floundering. Playing around with then and in that -- its for a couple years and -- keeping a Windows Phone. -- then you know -- -- the trade one came out of my interest was piqued in the interim operating system and -- -- about the time. That the -- Nexus One came out and I really decided woman by this Nexus One thing but you do it was like Google's. First kind of foray into like we're gonna sell the boat itself and that that's alone. I always -- an impulse purchase kind of mood and I just could not buy the -- Nexus One. I like is there is to immediately -- blocked purchasing at that point kind of impulse purchasing that. The Droid one and it was a really did. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Lake at Hartley added don't leave anything that I don't alone like to change everything about -- to fight that is what the cars that don't like the computers that -- work with. And -- the so -- -- that's gonna Orion so you when you if if you listen to Internet who has dual legally here in the a lot of times complaining about. Not being able to tweak something or you know it did one of the reasons that adult on that release -- at least -- he -- his -- Sometimes makes. Tweaking difficult but. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- HTC's censors sort of takes the same flaws is out all right sort of it's not -- system percent but it is sort of it's what HTC is telling you you should be using as yet made it very it's very focused. I'm very on user friendliness and -- but not very specific kind of user friendliness and if your person like me well although a release her like that -- fair this is not just each edit them down and out I don't really when I attempted to pass on a TC you do not atomic and it's a they do seem like -- right -- they do in my opinion and do the best job of the -- -- overlay. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I could live with that anyway is that we take so long for -- like. Stable route to come out and -- it's -- mall and -- stable cut up you know custom roms to come out but you know. You know the thing of -- an enthusiast community being kind of most popular -- -- phones is that if you -- stick -- that you can. -- have a lot of -- and and and Dan and indeed is be really geeky with their own it Roger killer features on -- I think you have for us. Idea -- -- for other her IOS five what particular features area. You know -- Syria would like to joke about -- lot but it's actually a lot of fun very useful. You know the camera which I know there are some an excellent. -- cameras but in a camera is excellent. -- Nestle. -- the apps obviously -- -- Android has a lot of apps but I feel like allowed premier -- still. Start out on iPhone. And design I just like the design it's small it's compact I don't need a -- -- I wouldn't mind a slightly bigger screen but it's not -- I mean if -- -- -- came in three different sizes. Which one would you pick. But let's say is let's say it's a 54 inch screen and 3.5 inch screen which our products orange screen I don't need a four point five inch giant Jumbo on tell nothing you -- the smaller screen and -- you'll deal with the scholars yes. But I think that the design is -- mean it's still a wholly unique phone meet every other. Every Android phone basically looks the same it's you know it's plastic as -- -- it -- cost down. On a you know -- -- the same design. Excluding sort of the key ports lineup of phones but you know this metal band its. The class and it's just a unique -- -- its phone that. You could tell -- it in compromise and as I possibly could -- -- -- and I think every other AM house to compromise because from wanting to be commander. A lower premium and they charged -- charge carriers less money for their phones and an Apple -- -- -- Chairs and much higher subsidy for the iPhone and anything else and I think it translates in the quality product. I double jump in at that point in an end and kind of refute a -- you you even -- -- -- and you're -- statement that. -- -- phones don't look the same. Adding their all over the place you've got phones with displayed in the keyboard phones with slide out keyboard on the big screen phones and then. -- mean they're they they all have four buttons across the bottom and they use a touch screen but I mean. A while I was on -- -- does not have or buttons across -- corporate tool and I know they're angry -- Timor are not necessarily on the -- -- right and I should take that back then they are there are a lot of -- phones but. Internally the quality the mid material to build small that its its service similar level quality easily you don't see a super high end -- -- just because the hands -- makers need to cut down on the costs. I need to tell what what every single under thunders and one it collects all quality like metal parts of glass -- like the you know like the glass speculate the IS -- Up. You could tell -- dated they're compromises made it back there aren't on the -- -- Well you could argue they're compromises you could also argue that they don't want to create a second iPhone. You can also argued that the glass back if there's also a -- -- I yeah I I didn't bring my -- -- -- an -- basically the last. Backing on and my eyes and Iraq is totally cracked and I didn't even drop it it was a compression crack nine. Given that grip on it I never -- immediately -- -- really angry. Just do you -- that the vulgar threatening. That is now in half and with elegant -- -- and corporate law grants. Help me and she's kind of an adult court press he's never -- none of effluent and air two things we need to talk about the first -- -- is Siri. -- Siri a sentence -- of the front end of a lot of fun as you said -- on the back and its new watts. I'm which also. Has voice acting controls and many other phones including feature. Enough that you a lot of like alien stuff for makers and isn't -- -- work report for think and read. And Windows Phone. Also have built in voice action and so is -- really killer feature. Or is it just more of the killer feature because it's a feature that's been brought to the surface suspending you can do -- -- -- But they added there was a video recently had a of one -- -- -- box that when the tested area Microsoft. -- Windows Phone of the voice activated each of their with Siri. And in terms of its ability kind of pick up words and and translate them into commands and a the iPhone -- -- way to competition -- Including other -- phones. 10 registered one Windows Phone and one night and so windows on the windows sonic didn't pick up the words and just an -- dynamic web searches for. I inaccurately worded phrases whereas -- just picked up everything in -- did everything. Without thinking about it and I made its prospectus or would -- Apple sort of takes -- services you don't think about it. Which is your moderate sucks -- you -- you want customize a similar theme but if he just -- -- networks. Are an Apple phone. Sort of where you want them. But adding a -- again you know people legal series a good example but I feel like there Google also built it -- and -- that's pretty darn good. I would say despite actions never pick up my -- no matter way -- I've shouted -- theory. I shouted -- Windows Phone I've shouted at and -- it and I just type it myself I actually have like a ton of -- -- really did. Really really -- A accuracy on with Google's voice search and into the point now where. I use it quite often for things like punching in addresses in an inept for navigation. Or initiating phone -- -- sending text messages those sorts of things. It would fix for me that's the -- -- -- a ton of a gambling does -- -- I don't -- plants and Cisco -- and an email to Wayne Cunningham on the same level blood because I don't want -- -- -- know what I'm doing it. -- -- you know you're sending you should say it just like that crop -- -- I -- I -- -- -- on your land at the -- that that flight understand beat the world believe me. Via I don't know what that was that I can. -- like that they. Cartoon superhero voice. But if -- -- would really get experience with the voice search there on and then they're also likely hurt their -- of third party at the -- is very slowly learning. -- a bit of lingo. I.s are really good example of that refute you can be driving around your current -- and you'll like it painfully notes that the Apple stopped go to. And it'll tell you. You -- it. Like I just don't know if I would want to -- and it's a comforting you can speak more and actually -- theory but. It takes more -- an -- for me to say theory. If you -- -- moment you click up rather than say capital. Yeah -- Now -- -- are -- other thing we should talk about our turn by turn directions. Our broader use an iPhone for a so obviously you did not buy a phone specifically to reach you -- voice command. Is part of this do you drive a car. I had -- the city now I do it it would not really applied -- -- A hundred drives -- interesting bit about your new name and airlines and fund transferring a living. Because there is also a scenic are attacked -- primarily -- wonderment that primarily -- car -- editor -- an injury enthusiasts and national. How how -- to other maps and navigation with the free turn by turn voice directions from Google how does that factor. -- it's a Catholic would do bullets that the best of both worlds where is you do get the free Google Maps. I and they're they're great spur lake when you just you know wanna get somewhere you -- take a bus. And you want to walk right to -- however you get around Google Maps is great for that link -- -- even turn by turn navigation for public transit so you get on a bus. You -- your headphones on your list and in the music and it'll say get -- at the next stop and you don't. Happily pay attention what's happening there. So it's it's it's a really. Good sort of like -- or -- the story is basically that he is. In IO device. And had -- manufacturers. Are allowing you to be dumber and less aware of your surrounding -- mean nothing really but I mean there there. It's like if it's like all navigation and I feel like -- -- it's a convenience thing was one of those things where you would you probably wanna check to see where you're going before you leave. But and the Catholic everyone's kind of had this situation where you've been -- not everyone but allowed people -- a situation where you've been on a bus. And you're listening to music. And you get a good book in front of view and you look up and you've missed your stop by two and now you've got to get off need to catch a bus -- -- walk eight blocks and it's just like just to have that little extra. -- -- You might wanna start paying attention to your surrounding this time to get off. In addition to your regular eyes and years -- -- -- was happening around you mean it that. A silicon third the good feature to have and I mean -- -- here it. And meet people are down no windows or around -- the new municipal -- that is going to be. -- our land navigation I think that's when -- entrants. More killer features so I am going to renamed this from fan -- -- to. It very civilized discussion about different mobile operating from students aren't you guys know about is okay and -- days you can't you can't deny who you liar. We're just -- people here at CNET. Denying that maybe you'll try to began starving guys for couple they -- -- gasses. I guess irritated I'm already spent some -- pretty capsule although Turkey and I think you -- so I'm gonna quickly jump in -- and reviews are gonna get to your reader emails and I will let you can -- -- -- -- Saturday. So basically I reviewed last week -- -- short -- three it will be reviewed and about as the Samsung double time and the Samsung captivate Clyde and the double time is are really interesting because it sort of takes on speaking at the Kyocera echo it has two -- but it's brought once -- and actually got it here in my hands. It's got one screen on the outside and one screen on -- inside. Are the things users Wear the same side that there article yes there -- and -- half inches. And -- An anyway it opens up. Basically you like about there are two different viewing angles as you can see -- error. And I actually really like the keyboard on this it's funny because like the way that -- -- with bubbly it's by native copies pink accents and like AT&T hot. It's really looks like T-Mobile phone to me -- -- -- a compact. So I I really think that it's great that AT&T is taking a risk here with the stone but I don't think it's gonna sell lot of them simply because its entry to point to for audio. The -- entry 2.3 gingerbread. So. I don't know who this -- for I guess he could say it's marketed towards the general teens say demands for texting. But the keyboard it's really good but I really can't say. What the decision was about it so it's it's not a very expensive phone. Which -- game like fifty backs. But anyway. There you have -- protect -- -- full review of interest and video photos same thing with -- captivate I was definitely had a -- facts. It is sort of it it feels like a galaxy S two -- but more moderate you know it's. -- about hang on a -- And it's more expensive it's it's a 150 dollars and also for AT&T. It does run on then you test -- plus Eric has -- one point three megapixel front facing camera. Dual core processor -- it megapixel camera and the back. So it's it's actually really get at that time and by. The main thing is that to glide it has a slide out pretty keyboard and -- -- it's really really flat. -- -- that thing yet now it's a bad thing beat hens and you want he's rise from the surface a little bit too you can tell which are pressing. Also be responsive so they have to be a little bit flat usually just -- combat the width of the phone. Because as much as we can also appreciate the phone with a little bit more heft to it. You don't want something that is really cute -- to fit into your pocket. -- so that is a design complements and and an argument that some people have against pretty uber phones. -- but. This one here at the double time I think manages to -- to -- rents just enough the other one -- it was so flat it was like flash. Almost felt like a teeny bit -- -- I and is just really hard tears I -- type accurately but it is much slower because I had to watch -- my fingers were there is no way to distinguish I feel at all. And so I think that's a major -- when you have a phone with a pre keyboard. First thing you do you -- to -- keyboard. Make sure people can type on it. That's my feeling on but I think that it is a very good -- overall and of the keyboard doesn't bother you then and definitely worth considering. So we didn't have if -- mail left for us. -- the net from Michigan and that column in the scenic. I heard reports that there -- balancing act better further support your CD's storage and -- Thanks very show or edit -- -- -- -- -- Other -- it's -- galaxy nexus can connect and -- device to transfer media files or it can connect as a camera. There is note general USB -- The same that you would see for other phones and I have reached out to dual tasked them. Why they made the decision to do so I have not heard back from them -- learned the biggest that the word of -- -- on the net is that rule. You know I -- -- -- supports -- but -- galaxy. Nexus does hardware does not and -- you know if there's in the first time Samsung's done in this past. -- fan -- blog -- just relieved it's that it's a design decision and I can -- -- it's a bad thing I I will save it. I think we talked about this on the left the sort of embryos were a lot of users do. Really -- to defend depend on the USB mass storage mood. For a lot of -- you know neat little techie tricks and you easy moving files back and -- -- -- device without having them installed drivers on anything. -- -- -- You know so. And the galaxy nexus is the perfect phone to do about it since it is absolutely Vanilla -- the right right so it it's kind of like -- -- have a bit of a black mark on and on without a phone that was really excited about about seen come out. But it means that it affiliate and the -- for the Android it just means that you -- we participants of the if they have -- get a phenomenal -- -- with that does anyone in -- another month and -- is going to pro vandalism at the end of this month. Dissuade other Neanderthal amount all the puzzles. And one missing thing yet they're all -- -- always one thing they don't want to do like the. -- -- cannot deal with this. How does one thing with every phone and every mobile -- for there is no perfect and we've talked of many times -- about the -- phone -- you know -- I want a phone it you know. The Blackberry keyboard to this this. You know -- this camera. Something from this line. I just want elected -- one we'd like new internals. I didn't like. Inflate at a now and again if I -- awareness -- -- -- one for me like it's your first look like me the -- at the Atari -- like the eight bit Nintendo it's like it's and that's better than you remember it being. Yet is how I look at that -- hook. Eyes nice of that notice -- remember being -- it was not a great I don't think it's -- mean. -- -- They because you like the -- I thought it was too bulky to that he did and I was worried act and zionists want -- The I think the deadline with very specific we meant to appeal to you -- certain. And -- -- by the way. It was compressed as they have that weird -- for button bike up down left right keypad -- writing. At the. Guys I have to -- we've got again we've got another podcast waiting for us out so -- -- answer the last question via email. And a hook up with us next week if you want to send this email it's dialed -- at cnet.com -- voicemail 1866. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Check out all other CNET podcast that podcast dot cnet.com. Thank you very much for joining me today and I'll see you guys and everybody else next --