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CNET Live: October 25, 2007
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>> Coming up on CNET Live, today we'll make our own personal radio station using Pandora.
>> Plus, we've got Leopard, rrr.
>> And we don't mean the cat, or do we? Anyway, we also have a severe case of the Floola. I'll tell you all about it coming up on CNET Live.
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>> Welcome to CNET Live. I'm Tom Merritt. Brian Cooley on vacation.
>> I'm Molly Wood.
>> Thanks for filling in again.
>> Yeah, you know, I'm just gonna be here most of November, get used to me.
>> That's right cause I'm gonna be gone. Both of us, me and Brian are back next week, then I'm gonna be gone.
>> No time for schedules. You've got to get to your calls.
>> Oh, my gosh, yes.
>> That's what we do here.
>> Yes, give us a ring. All lines are open, 888-900-2638. That's 888-900-C, N, E, T. And when you call, Cheryl will pick up the phone. She's waiting for ya.
>> Hi, Cheryl.
>> So call till it helps.
>> That's right. But before we get to you calls, it's gonna be time for the Things We Crave.
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>> These are some of our favorite things from the crave blog at crave.CNET.com and mine is the results of the non-violent robot battle that happened over the past month.
>> The victor.
>> We talked about the battle a few weeks ago on CNET Live. The victor, Honda's ASIMO.
>> I guess I'd buy that.
>> And also, not only do you get the results of the, of the battle, but also a press conference that ASIMO held after the game. As you see, there were some people in attendance asking questions. ASIMO was responding to some of his strategies for beating Commander Data and everything.
>> Nice. And is that the software that puts your mouth in the pictures? That's what I actually crave.
>> No, that's ASIMO's mouth.
>> Oh, ASIMO has a human mouth. No wonder he won.
>> Yeah, exactly. It was the biting.
>> All right. I, on the other hand, am craving snow because it's been weirdly hot here in San Francisco and I know everybody likes that but I don't. So I was taken with this GPS Satski, like for satellite skiing. Get it? Anyway.
>> Ah, so it's like this little thing you take down the slopes with you?
>> Yeah, it's three thousand dollars which is a little rough.
>> But, you know, people who are into skiing are really into skiing. It helps you find the best runs. It lets you know what the difficulty level is. It will help you find short lifts with lines which is actually huge when you're trying to ski. And then, it will record all your stats which you can then use to impress other people.
>> So it's like having a personal assistant with you while you're skiing taking care of stuff for you.
>> Yeah, and that's worth three grand, don't you think?
>> Perhaps. If you ski a lot, maybe.
>> And it also has an MP3 player and some games built in.
>> Plus, it's called Satski.
>> Yeah, for that alone.
>> So you can pretend it's like a former Polish linebacker from the Raiders in the seventies or something.
>> As you do.
>> You know.
>> You and your gadgets. Let's get to some phone calls, 888-900-C, N, E, T. We're also taking e-mails CNETlive@CNET.com. On the line from Washington, we have Conrad. Hello, Conrad.
>> Are you there?
>> Are you there, Conrad? Oh, I forgot to pick up the phone. Sorry. Now you should be there, Conrad. Sorry.
>> Hi. I really love the Apple TV but I had just a standard TV, not a high-def TV or anything and so I was wondering, is anything sort of like the Apple TV that I could buy that doesn't charge me monthly fees or anything?
>> Yeah, there's a lot of them. Do you know any off the top of your head cause I know one but I gotta look up the name real quick.
>> Well, I mean, it depends. Exactly what do you wanna do? If you're just talking about streaming television to your TV, you can certainly go with Windows Media Center as a non-monthly fee option other than the price of the internet.
>> And the prices on those are coming down a lot, too.
>> And the price on those, yeah, it's coming down. It's also built into some of the new additions of Vista so if you were to get a new machine with, I think it's Home Vista Premium and Ultimate, you'll get media center built in and that's a pretty simple option, actually.
>> There's one, it's called Popcorn something that just came out. It's a hundred and ninety-eight dollars. It's a little set top box and all it does is stream audio and video off the internet to your TV. It can either take it off of the laptops on your network or it can get it directly from the internet. They also have a movie service going with it. It's called Popcorn Hour is the name of it. It just came out two weeks ago, I think. It's a little media server. There's other's like that. This is the cheapest one that I've seen.
>> Also, if you have an older iPod, you can just connect those docks to your television. If it's a video enabled iPod, not the new one, unfortunately, cause they won't work unless you buy a special Apple cable or have a new dock, I think. But with the older Apple docks, you could hook up your old video iPod and watch television that way. And since you don't have a high def TV, it won't look quite as bad as it would on a nice, big plasma.
>> Right. And then, Slingbox, too. I mean, you can use that. Not exactly what he wants to do but it does standard def. It can move video signals around.
>> That's another thing to explore. Hope that helps you out, Conrad.
>> [Inaudible] actually.
>> Let's go to our next call at 888-900-C, N, E, T. In fact, we've got a couple of lines open today so if you're thinking, oh, I can never get through, you can get through right now. Let's go to Chris from England. Where in England are you calling from, Chris?
>> Cheshire. Lovely to have you on the show. What's your question?
>> I was wondering which is the better option, the AM digital card or the Intel card?
>> Intel of AMD for processor?
>> Okay. Boy, that's a tough question. It depends on what you're gonna do. Are you a gamer or video editor, Chris?
>> I'm more of a gamer, year.
>> You're more of a gamer.
>> Well, you know, actually, AMD had been kind of trouncing Intel, especially in dual core chips but recently, if you're willing to pay, Intel, I believe, has had the best performance and they've turned up the best benchmark.
>> Yeah, the new quad cores have actually just jumped ahead of AMD in a couple of areas. AMD is still a very good choice.
>> We don't mean to dis on it.
>> And probably a less expensive choice, maybe.
>> If you're slicing and dicing, the Intel quad core seems to be the better bet. Although, I would look at price, too.
>> When you're out there shopping because the AMDs aren't bad.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And if it's gaming, you know, it's not all processor. You're gonna wanna beef it up with some graphics, too.
>> Yeah, check out your GP.
>> And yeah, frankly, if you've got a good enough GPU setup, you don't have to worry that much about the processor. If AMD was significantly cheaper, you could go that route, and then, really pay a lot for your graphics card.
>> All right? Hope that helps you out. Thanks for calling. I think that was our first call direct from Cheshire, for sure.
>> I believe so. That was very exciting. All right, coming up next, we've got our guest, Tim Westergren, the founder of Pandora.com. But first, we have got a first look at Apple's newest operating system, Leopard which goes on sale Friday. It's packed with hundreds of new very cool features according to Steve Jobs. Let's take a look.
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>> I'm Elsa Wenzel, associate editor for CNET. This is the first look at Mac OS 10 point 5 Leopard. This is Apple's first big operating system update since Tiger more than two years ago. Many of Leopard's new features are built to make it easier to juggle a bunch of tasks. You'll find a more powerful finder and virtual desktops called Spaces. And the new Time Machine is an elegant backup tool. Let's take a look. Leopard's new transparent dock organizes applications and files. Just click on an icon in the dock and related items appear in order, recent ones first. Hold down the mouse key on a dock icon to set your preferences, like removing the Firefox browser from the dock or choosing to open Firefox automatically when we log in. Spaces help you cluster tasks into categories or boxes. For example, you could move IMovie and other tools for editing a vacation video into one space and into another space, place the web browser, word processor, and encyclopedia you need for a school report. It's simple to drag items between spaces and to drag the spaces themselves around. Just use the arrow keys. The new, souped up Finder let's you view and flip through all kinds of files with ease thanks to the cover flow feature. Familiar to iTunes and iPhone fans, hold down the arrow key and you can scrub through a list as the pages flip for you. You can even flip through PowerPoint slides or play movies within the Finder. Press the space bar to open those files and the Quick look feature displays them. Here, that transparent pop-out window gives us options including full screen view and add to iPhoto. With outer space seeming to swirl in the background, the new Time Machine reminded us of the opening credits of Star Wars. Working with an external drive for backup, the timeline let's you travel to the state of your desktop throughout its history. Behind this folder are version's representing its stages in the past. Mail integrates notes within the inbox and it has a nifty RSS reader. Parental controls are now featured more prominently in the system. These offer content filters, time limits, and internet activity loggers to help keep tabs on young web surfers.
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I'm Elsa Wenzel and that's just a glimpse at some of the three hundred new features within Leopard.
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>> So there you go. A little bit of an inside look at OS ten Leopard's coming out tomorrow so you can decide if you wanna upgrade, a hundred and twenty-nine bucks to buy it. Or if you get a new Apple computer from now on, it'll come with OS ten Leopard. In fact, anybody who bought an Apple computer going back to October first can actually get OS ten Leopard for free on that new computer. We're also gonna talk a little music right now. I'm happy to welcome Tim Westergren, founder of Pandora.com. Thanks for joining us today.
>> My pleasure.
>> Pandora, an excellent website for streaming music. I use it a lot. I really like it. But take us through what it does. Tell us a little bit about it.
>> Sure. So the basic idea behind it is to allow people to quickly and easily create radio stations that play music they like. And it sits on top of something called the Music Genome Project which is an enormous collection of songs that have been analyzed in very great musical detail.
>> And the radio station's like totally tailored for you. How do you get one started?
>> So it's very simple. When you go to the website, you'll see something that looks like this with a very simple prompt that asks you to type in the name of a favorite song or artist. So I'll go ahead and knock one in unless you have an idea you wanna start with.
>> Sure. Put in Jonathan Coulton.
>> Jonathan, like that?
>> Oh, it's C, O, U, L, T, O, N.
>> C, O, U -
>> And you do have it in there, I know.
>> Great. So I'm not familiar with his music but it's now creating a radio station based on Jonathan Coulton's musical DNA.
>> So we've actually analyzed many songs by him. We have a team of musicians, about fifty of them, and they spend their days literally detailing every element of melody and harmony and rhythm and form, instrumentation, and so on. Almost four hundred attributes that describe the musical DNA.
>> So that's what's coming from the Music Genome Project.
>> That's correct.
>> That DNA of the music.
>> That's right.
>> And it'll start by playing one from Jonathan Coulton, and then, after that, what happens?
>> So what it's doing, it has launched a station. It will often start with a song by your seed artist, but it will play some of the songs by him. But now it will start sequencing songs one after the other that share a set of musical characteristics. So if you want to now, you can just sit back and let this station play. But in the interest of time, you can actually interact with it so you can skip songs, you can skip up to six per hour. So you've got a song by They Might Be Giants. And it's creating a personalized radio station right now. You can also share your opinion with the station so if you -
>> Right, because, you know, I may like that first artist but I may not like everyone else to be exactly like them. So how do I customize it as I go along?
>> Right, so if you hover your mouse on top of the album or you see these little thumb up and thumb down icons. And let's say for argument's sake, you don't like this song. You can click the thumbs down. It will ban that song from your station and instantly reconfigure the station, so it's taking that as sort of musicological input.
>> Okay. So it's not only comparing the DNA, so to speak, of the artist but also taking your opinions into play and trying to get it customized just for you.
>> That's right.
>> Now, can you put more than one artist in?
>> You can seed the station with as many songs or artists as you like. And you can create up to a hundred of these stations that are all stored with your account.
>> Now, one thing about Pandora that has disappointed some people. You used to be available worldwide.
>> But recently, you had to restrict that.
>> Tell me a little bit about what happened and why.
>> That was a very unhappy day for us.
>> Yeah, I'm sure.
>> So we in the U.S. which is where Pandora is legal, we operate under the umbrella of a federal statute, a compulsory license that gives us permission to play songs from every artist without a direct licensing agreement with each artist which would be enormously cumbersome administratively.
>> There is no equivalent license outside the U.S. so you can't go to Japan or China or, you know, anywhere else in the world and get that sort of one stop license.
>> So is there any hope for people? We got, actually, one person wrote in from Saudi Arabia who is, like, when can I get it? It's gone. What happened?
>> Well, we're working on it. It's dangerous to put a timetable on licensing negotiations, but we have a person fulltime overseas in the U.K. trying to sort of get, start with the U.K., get a license going there, and hopefully, start a domino effect that will lead to a much more sort of global licensing structure.
>> And I know you could never suggest this but proxies, Google it. Also, you've been testifying with the Copyright Royalty Board, that's the agency you were talking about that has the compulsory license. And we had Rusty Hodge from Soma FM on the show a few weeks back kind of detailing what the fight is about. So how is the testimony going? Because I know there's a lot of difference between Sound Exchange, the royalty collecting agency, and the internet radio station operators about what those fees should be?
>> Right. So there are a lot of constituencies around us but in a nutshell, there are web casters, and then, there are rights holders, the rights holders being labels and artists. Within the rights holders, there are large labels and independent labels and artists. And what we're really negotiating is the licensing fee we should pay for a song. Several months ago, we began a large public campaign called Save Net Radio where we appealed to the public and asked them to please call their various representatives and voice opposition to this. And the response was overwhelming, hundreds of thousands, over a million people contacted their representatives.
>> That's great.
>> That led to the introduction of a bill and to a subsequent series of hearings which we're in the middle of now. So we're hoping to find some negotiated solution to it.
>> Okay. Well, good luck with that. We actually have a caller on the line who has a question. Would you be willing to -
>> Of course.
>> To take one cold here?
>> Cause it's not prepared. So let's go to Craig on the line from Portland. Craig, do you have a question?
>> I sure do. Hey Tim, thank you for having Pandora out there. It's been working wonderful for us. And I was wondering, if you would be, are you gonna be connecting with any other carriers other than Sprint? And if not, are you gonna be including more phones with Sprint?
>> Okay. So just to prove we're unprepared, he can't actually hear your call so I'm gonna have to repeat your question. He wants to know if you've got other carriers than Sprint or other cell phones down the line that Pandora will be partnered with cause I know you're a partner with Sprint. You can access Pandora on Sprint service.
>> Well, our long-term goal is to make this an anytime, anywhere experience, not just computer radio. And he's right that Sprint is the first carrier but we will be on others. Wish I could say more, but a lot of work being done in that department.
>> Okay. So, he's got stuff going on.
>> You can count on it.
>> All right. Well, thank you, Tim. Really appreciate it. Pandora.com to learn about and use the Pandora service. Any other places like the Music Genome Project that people can get involved or -
>> Well, Music Genome powers Pandora. It all takes place in Oakland where we do hire musicians to do analysis so if you are a working musician looking for a job, ours is a place to look at.
>> Okay. Thanks a lot, Tim. I really appreciate you coming.
>> Sure. My pleasure. Thank you.
>> Thanks for stopping by. Next up, Download of the Week and an insider's secret that will help you to rediscover Donkey Kong. It's all coming up next on CNET Live.
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>> Download of the Week is brought to you by our good friends at CNETdownload.com bringing you free downloads spyware free. And today, we're talking Floola.
>> Floola for Windows. That doesn't help you out a lot. Let me just show you Floola. This is the actual Floola. Let me show you Floola on my computer.
>> This is the actual Floola interface.
>> Oh, much better. Look at that.
>> It is an iTunes replacement. So as you can see, I've got all of my songs and playlists and everything just like in iTunes. It's an alternative for running stuff on iTunes if you don't like iTunes or you have a problem running iTunes, this will manage your iPod. And the cool thing is, everything is running off of here. Floola's actually on my iPod. This very iPod. It's not running off the computer. So what that means is I can actually take this and plug it into another computer and still have all my play lists and manage the iPod and drag things and drop things off without dealing with the restrictions that iTunes places on how that works.
>> See, that's very cool. That goes beyond just wanting to replace iTunes cause it's slow or buggy or whatever, because it's actually easier to take those songs with you. So, like, kind of like [inaudible].
>> I was gonna say, you had a couple of others.
>> When I told you I was gonna do this one that you've used.
>> Yeah, a long time ago, I tried out Ephpod and XPlay which kind of do the same thing. XPlay now is a for pay software but Ephpod, I think, is still free. And it's pretty handy cause they, I think Ephpod is cross platform. XPlay is not. But you can then do the same thing, easily take your songs between computers.
>> All right. Well, I'll put all those links in the show notes at Blog.CNETTV.com and you can find them all on CNET's download.com.
>> Yes, indeed. In the meantime, it is time to get to your calls, 888-900-C, N, E, T, two, six, three, eight. Send us a call.
>> Who do we have on the line?
>> Well, look, we have one.
>> Oh, hey, look. It's Collins. Where are you calling from Collins?
>> Hey, hi, guys. How you guys doin'?
>> We're doing good.
>> Cool. I have a problem in regards to my TV (inaudible).
>> Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
>> I bought my, actually, my parents paid for it, in the summer, they bought me a diamond TV tuner and right now, I have Vista so it's not compatible. So I don't know what to do.
>> Did you have Vista before? Or did they buy it before you had Vista?
>> They bought it before I had Vista.
>> Okay. And did you upgrade your computer to Vista? Or do you still have the old computer that has XP on it?
>> Well, I'm in school right now so I have my Vista laptop with me. My XP laptop has a TV tuner too but I'm not using it.
>> Any chance of you downgrading the laptop to XP and waiting?
>> I know it's extreme but that may be the way you have to go. At least, unless you're willing to wait a little bit for those drivers to come out.
>> Yeah, were you able to find anything?
>> It looks like it's just not.
>> Yeah, I mean, one of the problems with Vista is that not every manufacturer has upgraded drivers for Vista so a lot of stuff that works on XP doesn't yet work with Vista. This is not uncommon during an operating system upgrade although it seems to be a little more common with Vista than it has been with other Windows' changes.
>> It is surprising though. You said it's a diamond TV tuner cause it looks like those are supposed to be Vista ready. But maybe not all of them.
>> Yeah, mine doesn't say that.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> What's the model number on your diamond TV tuner?
>> It's Xtreme TV HD TV one hundred USB.
>> Yeah, if yours doesn't say, you know, if yours doesn't say Vista ready, it's a good bet that right now it's not. And I don't know what you can do to overcome that other than think about downgrading to XP. It's a terrible suggestion, I know.
>> How long ago did you buy it?
>> My parents paid for it in the summer.
>> Okay, so it's over, it's several months old at this point.
>> Yeah. We tried to contact the company but I can't get hold of them.
>> And I didn't ask you this but I'm assuming you already tried to update the drivers?
>> You know, it may be that your best bet at this point is gonna be to sell that thing on Craigslist or something and get one that specifically says it's Vista ready. Cause, unfortunately, we have no idea when the manufacturers are gonna be able to kind of get around to updating those drivers.
>> Yeah, and they may not. I mean, the other things is to try to take it back where it was originally purchased and explain, I have a Vista machine and this doesn't work on it and I've been trying to upgrade the drivers and nothing works. Can I please exchange it for something else?
>> Yeah. Good luck. I'm really sorry.
>> All right. Thank you.
>> All right. Appreciate the call though. Sorry we didn't have better news for you. We do take your e-mails though, CNETLive@CNET.com. Ron writes into CNETLive@CNET.com with the e-mail, I have a bunch of old video cartridges but the old Atari is broken and it won't play them. That's very sad. Is there any way to hook them up to my computer and play them somehow? Well, Ron, if you're an uber geek, there might be some way to fix it or run the cartridges on your computer but an easier way, although still kind of geeky, is to use ROMs of the cartridge and emulate them on your PC. We covered the details on that in today's Insider Secret.
>> Ah, barrel in the foot. Hey, remember the old classic games from Nintendo, Sega, even Atari? Well, you can play them again in more than just your mind. I'm Tom Merritt, editor from CNET.com. On this edition of Insider Secrets, I'll show you how to play classic old video games right on your PC.
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>> Let's use a Sega Genesis as an example. Now, the old video game systems had very tiny processors and memory. What that means is you can play those old video games on your big time processor and memory holding PC using something called an emulator. Now, an emulator, like this one called Gens, pretends to be the old machine's hardware but it's running a software. Once the emulator is running, you open a file called a ROM to play a game. ROM stands for read only memory. In the olden days, the software for the game was stored in Read Only Memory inside the cartridge. These days, you can extract that software and store it as a file. Folks call that file a ROM in honor of its hardwired predecessor. How do you play these games, though? Well, it starts by downloading the emulator software. Here are a few emulators you can get off the internet. Stella emulates the Atari platform letting you relive the simpler times of Combat and Q-bert. MAME, the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator emulates the old standup arcade games. SNES nine X from SNES9X.com helps you relive the Super Nintendo years, and DOS Box emulates DOS so those old games like Sim City can run at normal speed. There are plenty of others out there if you just search around for game emulators. Once you've picked your favorite, it's time to play. Download the emulator of your choice and follow the instructions to install it. Now, some of them are more complicated than others. Depending on the model, you'll load the ROM one way or another and control the game either through a joystick or keyboard controls. Then you're off and playing. Now, one final somber note about ROMs, there's a whole legal morass about what's legal and what's not. In some countries, it's legal to have a software ROM if you have the cartridge. In some countries, that may not be true. So if you wanna just play totally safe, only download ROMs that have been licensed for your use. That's it for this Insider Secret. I'm Tom Merritt. Enjoy your emulated gaming.
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>> All right, I hope that helps you out, Ron. If you want your question answered on Insider Secrets, send us an e-mail, CNETLive@CNET.com. Let's take our last call of the day from Jerome in Brooklyn. Hello, Jerome.
>> Hi, how ya' doin'?
>> We're doing well. How are you doin'?
>> Oh, pretty good. I have a problem. I'm ready to replace my Yamaha. I have the RXV fourteen hundred.
>> Okay. Good machine.
>> I'm looking at the Onkyo's [assumed spelling] but there's three of them that I have in mind but I just don't know which one. It's the six PXSR six-oh-five, the SR six-seven-four, and the SR seven-oh-three.
>> All right. Molly sometimes calls them Oinkeos.
>> I call them Onk-ohs, yeah. Although I am a big, I'm a big fan. So you said the SR six-oh-five is one of the options you're considering?
>> Yes, one of the options. The other one is the six-seventy-four and the other one is the seven-oh-three. But here's the thing, my TV is DVI compatible and not HDMI.
>> Oh, no HDMI just DVI.
>> Well, the Onkyo should be able to do that but let me make sure.
>> You can also do an adaptor if you found the perfect Onkyo and it shouldn't have DVI for some reason, you can get an HDMI to DVI adaptor. And it actually will send the audio out of HDMI through the RCA and it'll send the DVI signal through the DVI for you.
>> Right. Cause ultimately, you're probably gonna want something that's HDMI compatible because you're gonna wanna be future proof. And actually, that TRS oh-five, or sorry, SR six-oh-five, TXSR six-oh-five, is a CNET Editor's Choice. So we actually would recommend that that's the one you get. We gave it an eight. And part of the reason is that it does have such good HDMI support so when you are gonna go all HD with your setup, this thing is gonna be able to follow you.
>> So I would recommend that one, and then, the DVI adaptor that Tom mentioned.
>> All right. Thanks, Jerome. Hope that helps you out. Got an e-mail, too. Craig wrote in to CNETLive@CNET.com saying, hey, guys, do either of you know of any photo printing software that you can turn the margins off so you can use the full page without borders? And he's in the U.K. His photo sheet size if four R.
>> I don't know anything about that four R business but I can tell you that, I don't know of specific software but the easiest way to do this, actually, is to look in your photo, your printer driver because I know that, you know, we've got an HP. There's some [inaudible] that will basically just let you do that kind of, I think from the print dialogue. You just maybe want to go to advance and you can turn off the margins there. It's something that if you've got a good sort of newer photo printer, it should option, offer that option within it's own drive [inaudible].
>> Yeah, when we were doing our wedding, I had to use this a lot. And I did it in the printer options which would bring up the printer driver's dialogue and that's how I'd change the margins and get everything set up. So go with the printer driver, Craig.
>> Yes, definitely. All right, and now it is time for Best of the Web.
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>> All right, the Best of the Web is brought to us by our friends at webware.com. And today, actually -
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>> We do mean good friends. Today, actually, I'm using the Best of the Web to do a little shopping.
>> A little shopping.
>> A little shopping. So I like to shop online and I kind of prefer it cause usually you can get a better deal. And I never shop on line without checking some of my favorite deal coupon sites, dealcoupon.com for example.
>> So this is the Sunday paper for the modern age.
>> So this is basically your Coupon Clipper for the modern age and it works on your cell phone. So it's self-buyer, it's a downloadable little application and so, then it goes on your [inaudible]. Or you can get it through a web browser and you can get coupon codes and then also, you know, coupon codes and recent offers, basically, onto your cell phone that you can then take into the store and be like, hey, cashier, here's my [inaudible].
>> So you bring in your cell phone and you show the person at the store, like, here's my coupon. And they go what?
>> No. They go, oh, look at you, sir. You, sir, have qualified for 20% off your purchase because you have this clever little application, CellFire.
>> So it's got some good. Now, couldn't people just ask, I mean -
>> It's very clever. You could also use it to call the vendor.
>> All right.
>> And so, if you want to order out of the catalog, then you get the code and give it to them over the phone.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> And it's no yeah. People could -
>> Of course, people could just pass around the code.
>> Yeah, they can definitely, well, that's what they do at sites like dealcoupon is they collect all the different codes that are available for coupons and let you do it this way. But sure, sure, absolutely sure. Why not?
>> And yeah, I don't think that there's anything illegal about that or anything.
>> Good deals for everyone.
>> So you got to go to CellFire.com in your phone browser, though.
>> Yeah, in your web browser.
>> You can't just go on your laptop.
>> But also, it's a downloadable application so you can download it to your PC and then it will deliver them to your phone.
>> Interesting. Good pick.
>> I know, it's cool stuff.
>> Saving money.
>> Saving money. That's what it's all about.
>> What a knack. All right, coming up next week, we will help kick off National Novel Writer's Month.
>> Oh. Does it have to be a novel?
>> I don't think so. I think they allow non-fiction it just doesn't roll off the tongue as well as [inaudible] to say National Novel and Non-Fiction Writers' Month.
>> I like it.
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>> Anyway, Chris Batey will be here to kick it off so get your novel ideas ready. Starts November first. That's when he'll be here. Brian Cooley will be back next week. Thanks for joining me, Molly.
>> Thanks for having me.
>> Join us next Thursday at four P.M. eastern, one P.M. Pacific, one forty-five A.M. Catmando.
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Behind the scenes of Science Fair with co-director Cristina Costantini