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Atlas and Yondr and robot wrestling, oh my (Tomorrow Daily 321)Ashley and Jeff deep dive into the upgraded Atlas, underground robot wrestling, space travel, and VR headsets. We also welcome Graham Dugoni (CEO, Yondr) to explain how his product is creating phone-free zones for artists, without the hassle.
On today's show, we discuss the future of commercial space travel and deep dive into robot wrestling and the upgraded Atlas robot. Then we sit down with the CEO of Yonder Graham Dugoni. He's creating phone free, artistic spaces. Lastly, we take a closer look at VR head sets now that the two highest quality competitors how announced official release dates and prices. It's Tomorrow Daily. [MUSIC] Greetings citizens of the Internet. Welcome to Tomorrow Daily, the best geek talk show in the known universe, I'm Jeff Cannata. And I'm Ashley Esqueda. Really quickly before we jump into headlines today, I just wanna say thank you To all of the nice people on the Internet who have sent their, what is it, consolations? What are they consoling you about? Well, my cat died last night, so- Very sad. Bob, our 19 year old cat passed away last night. And it was very sad, and we already miss him terribly. But I just want to say thank you to everybody who has sent some very nice messages. To- Have a nice long life. Let me tell you. If all animals live to be 19, I feel like I'm winning. So yeah, he was a great cat and thank you very much everybody, but I don't want to end the show on a sad not so I figured we'd just come right out of the gate and say thank you. [LAUGH] And then we'll hit the headlines and talk about some robots, so let's do that. Let's do it. [MUSIC] All right, let's just jump right in here. Yeah, some fun stories this week. We've got a lot to dig into. First of all, we need to talk about wrestling robots. [LAUGH] And why not? Really, I mean who doesn't want to talk about wrestling robots? I wanna know why we're not doing this instead of BattleBots, because BattleBots seems really fun, don't get me wrong, you guys will love BattleBots. It's got my girl Chobot on it- [LAUGH] Last season, but But why are we not doing tiny bipedal robots? Look at this. Look at it. It looks like a chicken. That's Leghorn, named after Foghorn Leghorn. They named it Leghorn. It is gonna mess up this robot. Look at him, look at him dance. I know. He floats like a butterfly and he stings like a robotic chicken. Like a robotic chicken, that's exactly right. This is really, I thought this was so fascinating so- He goes, down goes Frazier Look at, and he's totally spiking the football right there. He's dancing around like suck it hater, I just knocked you down. How rad is this? I want to go to this so badly. Me too. It needs to go on tour and come to America, because I would pay any price. For tickets to see these robots beat each other- Beat each other senseless. That looked like a choke slam. That looked like a choke slam like The Undertaker. Maybe a rock bottom, maybe a rock bottom. Might have been a rock bottom. I am telling you, I need to see this at Leghorn and the other, okay so- I wanna do play by play. Let's talk about, yeah, okay, we need to pitch ourselves to Robo One for next year because I did some research and I found out some very interesting facts about Robo One. This competition Excuse me, this competition is, has been going on since 2002. Really?. This has been happening for a really long time. Their robots were much more primitive I'm guessing in 2002. I'm sure. And there are actual kits that you can buy that are sort of base. I can get a Leghorn of my own? They're base model bipedal robots. That you can then build on to and enter in the competition. Ashley, I know your not advocating for underground basement robot fighting because that does not sound legal at all. That sounds like shady, shady dark web of intrigue and gambling. It doesn't seem right. It's actually the plot of Daredevil season three. [LAUGH] First rule of. Of robot fight club. If you talk about it to everybody, you need me in your life because that sounds like the greatest thing I've ever heard of. And I need, so okay. You need to get robots and fight each other. There are different categories of fights, okay, so there are, we'll go over these No, you're gonna maybe freak out a little bit, okay. I'm already freaking out. I know. There's a primary ROBO-ONE competition. It takes place twice a year. Okay. So they do Tokyo and then they have more remote locations scheduled throughout the year so that they can raise visibility. The regionals, got it. Which really, how is this not A global Olympic sport at this point. Robo1J is a junior level Robo1 competition. Is that with junior robots or junior people who made the robots? Smaller robots and gives Smaller robots? gives them just a family participation. I had the idea that it could be anybody of any age. But it's just the robots that are doing it? Yeah. That's funny. And then there is the robo one special, which is special challenges, so they'll have a timed dash. They'll have a ball toss, they'll climb a set of stairs, open a door, do a bunch of different stuff. This is the actual qualifier that we're seeing right now. To qualify to compete they had to sprint a section faster than a certain period of time, and all the robots had to do that. I love this so very much. Because it makes the competition so exciting. So, then they have the Grand Prix. They have a series of matches held in different locations around Japan over six to eight weeks, and points are awarded. It's a whole thing. It's sort of like a triathlon-type thing. I'm so into this I can't even handle it. Here's what makes this amazing, Ashley. One feature that makes this the best. I was gonna say, everything. Everything. Okay. But one thing in specific is because these are bipedal robots. Yeah, because they look kinda like. They look like little people. Little people running around. And I think that one quality right there because you can anthropomorphize them and you can give them a little personalities and really root for them. Which I already do with battle bots and I'm like you can get the spinning blade guy go for it. But the fact that there's like a little waddling thing and the fact that they dressed him up in costumes. Costumes they've got personalities they've got people, and people they're fans of these. Like if you go. Tripping's not allowed. Apparently it is because gargoyle kid was the one who won Leghorn lost in the final. You walked out of there. Listen, my bookies are gonna come after me. I lost a bunch of money on Leghorn and I'm very upset by that. Sorry, I'm sorry. I can't believe it. That's the coolest thing ever. Did you ever see- what was that movie with Hugh Jackman where he played Real Steel? Real Steel, real good. Nah, run for your life. It's actually a really good movie. It seems like it wouldn't be but it actually is. It's not. We need to travel to this and go, it's good. What are you talking about? No, no, it's not. It's actually really good. We need to go to there. I wanna do it, yeah I wanna do it. I would like to be the Al Michaels and John Madden of- Don't worry, I'll be the John Madden. You don't have to worry about being the John Madden. No, I was gonna say, I would be happy to be the crazy. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] The robot that beats the other robot is gonna win this championship, Jeff. Okay, so, let's move on to the VSS Unity because I thought this was really cool and a huge, a tremendous Turn around from a tragedy. Yeah. We talked about Virgin Galactic. The space race is happening. Commercial space is in, we're in a new space age. And I think this is a good thing, you know. Those of us who are science enthusiasts, we have lamented the demise of the Of NASA's funding. The dream of space. And the fact that we as a country aren't really putting resources there like we used to. It's really sad. It's a bummer. But private space travel is happening. It's a thing. And thank goodness for it. This is an amazing time. I would argue, these are all people, Elon Musk, Richard Branson, these are all people who were kids when they saw the original moon landing and are inspired to do such things. Yeah. Jeff Bezos. [UNKNOWN] Yeah. They're all right in that same age bracket where it's like they would have been a small kid or would have really grown up in an era where space was really exciting for society. Yeah. So, Virgin Galactic had a crash in October 2014. One of the pilots was killed. It was pilot error. It was ruled to be pilot error. I think he unfurled something or somehow activated something that was not supposed to be activated until it was much safer and so it created instability and the craft ended up exploding which is very terrible and sad. And Virgin Galactic now has shown off the VSS Unity, it was- Yeah, this it here, right? This is it. Richard Branson, of course, came riding in on it like a knight on a white horse. His space horse, this is space unicorn And this is, they're going to test this very heavily. They already put up safeguards so that the thing that happened in the previous accident cannot happen again. They can't deploy that particular system until the plane decides it is safe to do so. They're not really sure why that pilot did that at that time. But they'll never really know why. But now there are safeguards up against that, which is a good thing- Yeah. And this thing goes up 50 miles, right? It goes up into the edge of space- The edge of space. This is actually, 50 miles altitude is actually, I believe if I'm not mistaken and please correct me if I'm wrong and I know you will commenters It is what is technically astronaut. If you go up that high, you are an astronaut, for all intents and purposes. 50 miles up dated truly the edge of space. Which is kind of amazing. The idea would be, they would take commercial passengers- Yep. Up into a low earth orbit, kind of situation where you go up and you're You're in space for a little bit then you come back down. Just to have the experience, right? This isn't actual travel from place to place kinda situation? Not yet. And I'm sure in 200 years or whatever we'll have a shopping mall on the moon or something, sorta outlet mall I'm sure. Coach factory outlet up on Up on the moon. We'll have some trips back and forth there. I mean, that's really, I think it's like the goal. Is to actually have true space tours where you're able to go to either a space station or some other location. Forever 21 on the moon. Forever 21. The mall. So I think this is sort of the first step in that. Apparently, I believe all of the first, all of the first Trip, the official trip seats are all sold out and I wanna say they were going for a quarter of a million each. Bargain. Here's, let me ask you this. Base bargain. And you guys too, I'm asking you guys this too. Would you, if you were given a free ticket, Richard Branson shows up at your house like Publisher's Clearing House and every man is like you just won a free trip- You're going to space But on the first ride, or the second ride, let's say the second ride, maybe less dignitary, so maybe they're like maybe they don't work as hard to make sure you come back alive. [LAUGH] This is one thing I worry about, it's like okay, that first trip is gonna go great, I know this. [INAUDIBLE] Titanic. The second That's true. The second through the tenth trips, that's what I have concerns about. Like those trips. Really? I don't know. I'd do it. I think I'd do it. I wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity to. Get a great Wikipedia entry as one of the first people to die on commercial space flight. Yeah. Or I guess you would be one of the second. Yeah, space tourism. The very second group. Very second. Yeah. Very second group. But yeah, so, I'm really excited for them. Honestly, space tourism, to me, is so exciting and cool. Well, if they can get the price down to a point that makes sense for people, I I mean, who wouldn't want to? If it's safe and reliable. I mean people die. You have a point. I know a lot of people who don't even like taking boats, so I don't think they'd take a plane with faith. I'm just saying. [LAUGH] Well I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't. But around the turn of the century, airplane flying was a lot riskier than it is now and things have Gotten a lot safer, so progress. All I'm saying is so was airship flying and we all know how that turned out. That's all I'm saying. [LAUGH] All right, last story and this is going to be kind of a longer one so Let's all sit down and talk about Atlas. [LAUGH] Because first of all, this has been everywhere on the internet. By the way Atlas should not, I hope Atlas did not watch our first story about the fight club. Because I don't want Want Atlas to get any move set. I think, Atlas is actually excluded from Robot Wrestling cuz he's too big, he does not meet the criteria. But if they made a tiny Atlas, I'd be very concerned. Maybe Atlas- Could you imagine a halo like flood of Tiny Atlases like coming at you. Would you rather fight one horse size Atlas or 100 duck size Atlases? [LAUGH] Man that is a great question. Great question and also to you fair viewer. Which one would you rather fight? I think I think for now, for now, cuz he's a little bit slow of a walker. I feel like if I one horse size that list. But here's the thing, if they got faster and more agile, I think I'd go with 100 smaller ones, but I'd probably die either way. Well let's fill you guys in. In case you didn't see the story earlier this week about Atlas. You did, but. I'm sure you did. [LAUGH] This is He's hiding amongst inanimate robots. this is Atlas. Look how rad that is. Yeah, he'll just open the door and walk right out. Look at his glob strength. [CROSSTALK] He murdered everybody at Boston Gen so he's leaving. Spoiler alert. I'm sorry if you haven't seen that movie. Look at the sweet quad strength he's got. He's constantly in a half squat. Dude, Atlas obviously does not Skips leg day. Never skips leg day. Never skips leg day. Look, he is navigating the snow no problem. Has a little stumble here. Oops oops. Corrects himself. This is a huge deal in robotics. Being able, a robot be able to actively Correct and adjust for this right here. Whoa! Look at that. For imbalances and really be able to respond like that. This is an incredible, incredible thing. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] Listen, Go home now, You are drunk. That looks like a walk of shame to me if I have ever seen one. so, Atlas though, okay, here he is lifting up some boxes apparently he has some censors on board that allow him to read QR code So he could potentially see a barcode on a box and say, yeah, that's for me. Or that's for a different [UNKNOWN] that's walking around the warehouse. I can't pick that one up. That's off limits. Right. So this is very fascinating and then we get into the ethical part of the discussion. The ethical part of the discussion where Alice picks up a box- She just wants to work. She just wants to be of service to humans. And an evil man with a hockey stick. I'll kill you. Pushes [LAUGH] [LAUGH] It looks so mean. Why you do this? Like I just feel like Alice is like, wait what. But I want to pick up box for. Why you move box? That's just mean. Guys, this is mean. He's simple and he just wants to be of service. He does. He's just trying. He's trying his best, okay? I guess I'll pick up the box over here. Okay fine. No. This guy is a hockey stick. I'm just. Thank God Boston Dynamics has Not install the ray gun because this dude would be vaporized like eight minutes ago, so- This is part of the day where they teach Atlas frustration. Yeah, that's part of the singularity. They have to teach him feelings. Look at that. [LAUGH] I know, he pushes him face down. That reminds me of kindergarten you guys. I'm having flashbacks to kindergarten, and it's making me upset. The part you didn't see was when Alice's lunch money Stolen, yeah. He got pushed down. Very terrible. But he gets right back up. Get's right back up and doesn't need help. He is untethered as well as battery powered. It's all amazing stuff. We as human beings are incapable of looking at that and not giving it Emotion, and. Right, of course. And feeling, and intention, and personality. Yeah. It's pretty remarkable, and it really does pare well with our first story, because he's clearly gonna be a future. Fighting robot. Champion. And was definitely a military robot. I mean you're going see, that's I'm sure that's a thing. It looks shockingly like the troopers from Episode 1. Pet man? Troopers from Episode 1, yeah yeah. What are they called? The droids, the Droid army. Yeah. The droid army that they have. The Battle of Nabu. Roger Roger. Biker Mike, we don't want a lot of feedback about this. I even went into You Tube. I dove into the You Tube comments for this. You guys were actually really nice on You Tube comments, so thank you. Biker Mike wrote and said I side with Atlas #HockeyStickMan gets a 5 minute major for bring on the Singularity we're all dead. I really. We're all dead. Dustin wrote in and said someday we will get our first robot to become self ware and claim they were miss Mistreated by their human masters. And this is one I heard a lot of. They're going to take this video and then they're going to show it to us the day they rise against humanity. That's the problem. They'll be like this is why. Video is forever. And all they do is learn from video. They're going to learn. They're going to Going to learn all the best minecraft. They're going to learn how to make boxes out of our hand. Great beauty tutorial they're going to know how to do makeup. They're going to know how adorable kittens are. They're going to know last place. And then they're going to get to this video. And then they're going to get very upset. It's going to take a turn. It's gonna take a real bad turn for us. Over on YouTube, visia101y said that specialists say that if we continue advancing in robot technology at the speed we are, and we don't put up barriers, we will be overrun. It'll get to the point where someone has the option to stop or continue with complete AI, and not to mention The new group that'll start for Violence against Robots. And that in and of itself is worse than being overrun by robots. I think the advancing in robotic technology is awesome but I know that the selfishness of human beings will cause the mankind downfall if and when we get to the point of true AI. Where do you sit on this Ashley? How do you feel? I know you're a big fan of robots. I'm a big fan. As am I. And you want one. I would like a robot best friend. Best friend/personal assistant? Yes, sort of like that girl on Keeping up with the Kardashians who's like friend but also is Kim Kardashian's assistant. It's really. I wouldn't know. That's the robot I want. So how do you feel about a point at which if they are as intelligent as we are, we can't just treat them as slaves any more, right? No, we can't and that's I think. [SOUND] Bless you. Excuse me. I think this is a really good point and one of the things that I, the reason I picked that piece of That feedback is because yes, Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking, some of the smartest minds of our time have warned against AI and I think this is a very important conversation to have. True AI is a very dangerous thing but I also look at all of the positive things robotics have done and I think about as we advance, how many more positive things they can do and so I can't I can't quite completely be against it, but I do think in any technological effort, one must always exercise extreme caution. All right. That's what I think. Ready to take a quick break? Yeah, let's take a quick break. Ready to breathe out? I'm gonna go get my hockey stick, cuz I'm armed for the potential uprising. Yeah, get you hockey stick guys. Cuz it's one thing they clearly don't know how to deal with. Hockey stick. [LAUGH] We'll be right back the CEO of Yonder to talk about his very interesting technology that's gonna keep you from using your cell phone at a concert. But don't go away. It's Tomorrow Daily. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show, we've all been there. You're at a concert, people right in front of you try to videotape the artist. [GRUNT] Can't see anything, one company is trying to change that. That company is called Yonder and we have the founder and CEO with us to tell us all about it. Graham Dugoni, thanks for being here. Yeah, my pleasure. So, you have the solution to our nightmare scenario. The worst problem in the world. Ever. This is a device that will stop people from using their phones at public events, right? Yeah, I guess in The simplest ends. Yeah we create foam free spaces. But conceptually, I like to think that we're just kind of the tip of the spear in the general movement. I loved it. I think you're right because I'm going to so So many shows. For example, when I saw Queens of the Stone Age at The Wiltern when they did Like Clockwork- You know, as people do. Listen, that's a humble brag. [LAUGH] Josh Homme was, he said, hey guys, before we start the show, just put your phones away, let's all enjoy tonight When asked who was backstage, he was like. [LAUGH] I would be dead if that happened. I'd be dying of happiness. But there is a movement for that and there is something to be said for really being in the moment at a con Instead of getting shaky cam video and poor audio from it and always having your cell phone out. And this is something artists want, right? This is something that you're finding not just audiences want. Artists want. Yeah, definitely both. I mean if you look at it as artists are the most sensitive people in the culture, then of course they're gonna be the first to see kind of what the impact of radical technological change will be. And so, creating space is where people can be swept up into a shared mood or something they value probably above all others. So how does it work? Yeah. Very simple. We have three sizes case, fit every phone on the market. So when someone comes to a show, their phone slides into one of these cases. Like this, boom. Woah. Wow, okay. Pops open, phone goes in, it now locks. Your phone's now inside the Otter pouch, you cannot access it, you keep possession of it. When you leave, just tap it on one of the unlocking mechanisms. Opens it up. We have a bunch up front. I'm not. So i've been at events where you have to check your phone. And it's always such a pain because, I was at like. Like coat check. Like for example, the Star Wars world premier that I attended Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. You had to check your phone and when you leave if There's such a line, it's such a hassle. So this a way to not have to check your phone at all. Right. You actually keep possession phone device, you don't have to worry about it getting stolen or lost. Exactly and if someone needs to use it, emergency or something like that, they can always step outside, the phone free space, and unlock it, and use it. So really what it creates is the idea of essentially phone free [UNKNOWN]. It's like Smoking versus non-smoking sections, but for phones. Okay. That's how we kind of refer to it. Now this is also, I would imagine it would extend very much so to comedians as well because when you are, if you guys don't know how comedians sort of work out their bits or their specials specifically, they'll spend a year, two years, three or some, I mean, they'll spend a while workshopping Out an entire set, and a lot of times they don't want that workshopping because it's not a finished product out there for people, but they need to get that feedback from their audiences. So this is also something that you were mentioning, that comedians are also interested in. Definitely. I mean, exactly what you said, workshopping new jokes, but also just the ability to enter a space and know that what happens there stays there. Kind of fundamental I think to the art form as well. So, it hasn't been until very recently that this has been a problem. So, hasn't been, as I recall a solution. Yeah. So, you sell this to a venue, or you have this available at a venue. Are you finding as places adopt this technology, people are complaining or having a problem with it? Is it hard to convince people to use it? Yeah, what's the audience response when they come up against something like this? Cuz it's obviously something they've never experienced before. Yeah, the audience reception is incredibly positive. That's one of the things that, Early on, I kinda saw by being out at a lot of venues and talking to people, that the average person there, kinda understanding of the problem, this general angst about, not just this at shows, but the role of technology in society in general, is a lot further advanced than most people, I think, realize. So most people are incredibly positive. They understand, as soon as they realize they get to keep possession of their phone. They're fine with it. There's a few people who get angry, but they'd be angry anyways. Yeah. But they appoint, I mean yeah. I think you could actually sell these to families for dinner time. Yeah. Like everybody put your phone in a bag. You could make this an IOT thing where you're like, Alexa locked down our phones. It's dinner time. Somebody just had Alexa wake up. I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You say Miss A from Amazon, the robot in the machine of the Echo, please lock our family phones. So there's really nothing, no damage to the phone, there's nothing limiting the phone, you'll still hear it ring, potentially? Well we have different models that do different things. Okay. The short answer. There are some that block all signals altogether, there's some that don't. They've different use cases so depending on who the customer is, we'll give them a different case. Cuz I would love to be able to go to the movies And have everybody's phone not ring, or make a chime at all. Or light up, yeah, no that would be great. Yeah. That would be great. So there are versions of this that actually limit the signal that it can receive? Exactly, but it's important for now that this version that I have right here doesn't, because You know, someone's at a venue, their expecting a call from the babysitter or something like that- Right. They'll feel their phone vibrate, and they can step out. You know. And that's important just for people's comfort. Right, that makes sense. That's also where it is superior to a check system because you still, as you said, if you removed your cellphone, From the situation or the area. You still have access to your phone. You don't have to go to a coat check or a phone check system. Well and also, you don't know if your getting that call. So, I think if there's an emergency. If there are things that are happening where someone's trying to get a hold of you, this is a much better system. Definitely. To have in place as opposed to a phone check because you'd have no idea until you got out of that event.>> Yeah. That [UNKNOWN] would happen. So, how long have you been developing Yonder? The concept I had really fully fleshed in about 2012, I guess. And sat on it and started developing it about a year and a half ago. I thought back then it was, the issue kind of hadn't boiled to the surface enough. People didn't see the problem so clearly. But the first prototyping, everything I did myself, just through AliBaba, just using Chinese manufacturing everything. And then Hired a design firm after all those steps, but it's been a process. So this unlocking mechanism reminds me a lot of the type of thing you would see at a clothing store, where they take off the security tag. It sort of reminds me of that. Where it's sort of a security tag-esque, like you kind of pop that and then you see. It's kind of an interesting, were you inspired at all by that? You mean our proprietary technology? [LAUGH] Yeah, could you explain how it works in detail for us? I'm just gonna take some notes. [CROSSTALK] Was there a moment in which you were like I need to build this. Was there a concert that you went to? Yeah. Was there a time where you were like, okay, a news story, something like that, where you were, okay, I've got this great idea. What was the lightbulb moment? Someone record you when you didn't want them to? Yeah- No, close though. I guess it was just going to a lot of live shows and just seeing kind of what was happening in general, and kind of observing social trends and etiquette changes over time, which people always [INAUDIBLE] Memory for things like that but looking at that and then I guess I was at one show back when I was living in Atlanta and saw a guy, he was pretty drunk, he was dancing. Too Strange was recording him and posted it through the internet right after they recorded it. I was just sitting Looking at that and going, Well, if you follow that line out and see where that goes, I think you'd find that actually what a lot of people are saying, especially in Silicon Valley about the future of technology is actually just not tenable from a psychological, sociological perspective. So I thought, for a lot of reasons, just to be social, the need for some element of privacy. Yeah. So that was kind of for me, realizing that it became very clear that this was something that was going to exist and that it was just phasing out the form. How to do it, right. I think that's interesting thought the point that you make that it's not about just creating it safe for the artist but also for the people enjoying the show. For let loose Have a great time. Yeah, be unself-conscious. Be unself-conscious about, you know, if they're a very terrible dancer for example, even if they're not drunk like some people here at this table. I don't know what she's talking about. To be able to enjoy themselves without having to worry about being poked at in around somebody else's account or something like that. You really Feel like it's a safe space, again not only for the artist but also for the attendees, I think that's really cool. Yeah, I agree. I mean that feeling of being uninhibited is really important and yeah, I mean I could chew your ear off about this, about kind of the philosophical side of the whole thing for me. But at the end of the day it's When people go to shows, and if they enjoy it more than a show with phones, that's it. They've made their association with the idea, it's really not more complicated than that. Have there been any specific places that have adopted this so far? Yeah, so there's venues all over the country we work with, more and more artists. We're now working with artists in Europe and the UK as well, and then our other big customer is schools. Wow. Yeah. Great choice. Kind of unanticipated but has turned out to be really, really good so. I can imagine. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a great point. Again, having possession of the phone, but not having access, that's actually pretty brilliant. In that sense, it's almost anti-cheat Technology as well. Right, yeah. That's a good point. That is a really good point. So just out of curiosity, are there any other unanticipated use cases that you were really surprised about that you said my gosh, I haven't thought about that as a use for this. But yeah, I guess we could use it for that. No, I think there's different types of utility for different spaces or different areas. Some of them are pretty practical, whether it's preventing people from ripping off copyrights and stuff on the production floor, stuff like that. That's very, just, kind of utility. Okay. And then there's more of that experiential side which is live music and creating these spaces where people can be swept up into a shared mood. And that's really kind of the most important to me. These other ones are fine, they're good But it's education's important because I think that we haven't really figured out how new digital tools fit into education in a meaningful way. And then entertainment is what we talked about. Yeah, it's so interesting that we give ourselves these These bits of technology, these tools as you said and we have to figure out a way to force ourselves to not use them sometimes. It's fascinating. Yeah, you made a good point before we started doing this interview where you were saying that we're sort of conditioned. It's a habit now. Always have our phone, either checking it constantly or you know, always using it or always being in that habit of having it out and in use and so I think this is a really interesting sort of way to kind of, again with the whole, you know, keeping people mollified by letting them have their phone on them, but also kind of saying okay. For two hours, just be in the moment and let's just enjoy this. Now, are you selling these as a product to end-users or this is sort of only a corporate or. Venue-based. Venue-based. No, we have families that have ordered them and used them at home. But more than that it goes with venues and artists or to the school so it's not really directly to those people But we're getting kind of new types of deals every day so who knows. So where can people find out more about Yondr. Overyondr.com. But Yondr without an e. Yeah. Y-O-N-D-R. Because. Y-O-N-D-R. It removes your electronics, I don't know. I was trying to. Don't hire him as a [UNKNOWN] person, don't do it. I'm [UNKNOWN] PR guy now, maybe? Just trademark stuff, I would've add the E if we could. [LAUGH] Yeah, yeah, no, very true. Fair enough, fair enough. And then what is Like overyonder.com and then are you guys on social media at all? Does anyone want to tag you or ask you questions, things like that? We do not have any social media. No Twitter. No Facebook. All their phones are locked up inside the building. [LAUGH] We don't plan to either. So that's part of the movement. Yeah, yeah, probably. I like this as more than just a product but it really is a philosophical stance that you're taking which I think is kind of necessary, where we are now. Yeah, it's just more fun. Yeah. We're good. [INAUDIBLE] Thank you so much for coming in and talking to us about Yonder guys. Put your phone in the bag. Put your phone in the bag. Okay, if you're watching the show, don't put your phone in the bag yet. No, no. Put your phone in the bag right now. Don't. Finish watching the show and then put your phones back. More fun. We'll be right back. We are going to have a major discussion about virtual reality. Because there were tons of VR news that happened this last weekend. We really [UNKNOWN] to talk about it all week, so we decided to make it its own segment. But thank you again. Stick around. Stick around. It's Tomorrow Daily. Great. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show everybody. Thanks again to the CEO of Yonder for sitting down and talking with us. Yeah. It is time for something a little bit different. We're excited about VR y'all. Yes we are. [LAUGH] And so we thought it would be fun with all of the VR news that has happened over the last week or so and with all the VR news that will happen over the next few weeks with GDC and other things going on- Yea. To give you 90 second primers On four different types of VR headsets. Sounds good. Are you ready? Let's do it. All right, you do pros. HTC Vibe, go. HTC Vibe is a complete bundle. It comes with the controllers, the touch controllers, and it comes with room sensors. You can move around your room. It's based in the Steam ecosystem which is already a place where PC gamers have tons of content. It's got a front-facing camera so you don't feel like you're isolated in that world and the field of view is slightly larger than the Oculus. Okay, those are good pros. I'm gonna tell you why you shouldn't buy an HTC Vive. It's not that this is my direct opinion. It's $799 right out of the gate. That's a lot. That's pretty pricey. Not only will you be paying $799 plus tax and shipping, you'll also need to pay for a high-end desktop PC to run Said HTC vibe which will cost a lot of extra money. So you're not gettin in cheap. On top of that there are no AAA devs or franchises that have announced major titles for the HTC vibe. However, let's all remember Valvum Supportal Franchise. So there's that. I'm sure there'll be game announced as we get closer and as we are emerging, but that's a significant thing compared to the. The Oculus titles that have already been announced. And speaking of Oculus, let's hit Oculus. I will start with the pros. Go for it. I will start with the pros. It has been in development the longest out of all the high end and low end headsets that we've seen. There are huge content partnerships across entertainment that we're not really seeing with the vibe yet. They also have triple A titles like Edge of Nowhere, E-Valkyrie, and [UNKNOWN] NBR that has already been announced as titles that will be coming out on Oculus Rift. Yeah and it got those Facebook deep pockets. But there are some cons the old oculus. Really? Yeah, it does not come with controllers. You have to buy those and we don't know how much they're gonna cost. They're probably gonna be pretty pricey. It, too, requires a very high end PC. And that PC is going to have to have a lot of USB ports. This thing stays tethered, and it needs three USB 3 ports, and one USB 2 port. It's a lot, it's a lot. So while it is $200 cheaper than the Vibe, that price doesn't include some of the stuff that the Vibe does include. So if you are excited about those controllers coming up soon, you're gonna We don't know how much they're gonna cost and you're gonna have to buy them. Good point. Yeah. You ready to talk about Playstation VR? That's the biggest question mark of them all but it does have some positives that we already know about. It does, it does. The positives here are that the price point will likely be the best compromise between higher end VR and Portability, the Playstation 4 is much less of an investment, generally speaking than a high end gaming PC. Also, The Playstation Network and Sony, have a vast, vast catalog and [UNKNOWN] of developers Both Indian triple-A, that have worked with them previously, and I'm sure we'll be very excited to work in the VR space with them. Yes, there are some negatives though with PlayStation VR. A lot of the negatives have to do with the fact that we don't know much yet about it. We don't know how much it's gonna cost, although as you said, it's not gonna require as beefy a computer And some of the early demos we've seen based on the Playstation technology aren't capable of rendering quite as much as what we've seen with Oculus and Vibe. Also, if you want touch controllers with Playstation VR you're gonna be using those Playstation move controllers. Which look a little silly. They look- They've not aged well. They look ridiculous, let's all be honest. All right, so lastly we have something a little bit different, which is mobile VR headsets. Yeah, like the Samsung- Gear VR. And we're gonna see more of these, yeah. Headbands they've got like sort of a sunglasses like, 360 headset, powered by your phone. So lets talk about the pros here, way cheaper than PC headsets. Yeah. Way cheaper, likely than the Sony Playstation VR headset, powered by a computer you already own. Your phone, you already have it in your pocket. They are available now. You can go out and get a gear vr right now today.>> For $100.00 bucks.>> They are tetherless. It's also potentially easier for me. I believe it's potentially easier for APP developers to enter that space.>> Yeah. The negatives of course with mobile vr is that because it's not using a computer They're not nearly as powerful. I've used the Samsung Gear VR and I found the experience to be pretty positive. But some people can get a little nauseated by using these because the frame rates aren't as smooth as what you're gonna get when you're connected to a really high end PC like some of the others. So Sometimes people have bad experiences. And that might turn consumers off of the entire prospect of VR which is a little worrisome to me because this really feels like the entry level because of the price point. But it could be an entry level that ruins the whole party for everybody if people have bad experiences. Turns off people to higher NVR, not great. Yeah. So that's our quick primer on various VR headsets. We hope you enjoyed that. Yeah, I'm excited about VR, someone who as knowing all these pros and cons, trying to weight the market and feeling like what do I get? I want them all, I can't afford them all, I already have a preorder for Oculus, because it was the first one that came out. I don't know if I'm gonna get a Vive, I want to be able to get a Vive and an Oculus, but I just don't think I can swing both of them right now. I just don't know what to do guys. Yeah it's really tough- What do I do? I think for me I would go Vive. If they announce a Portal game. Well that's a game changer right? Or Half Life. Give me My Gladys, or Half Life Three and virtual reality, I mean that is a total game changer. Just like a small self contained little Half Life adventure. Maybe a mini episode? Yeah. Like five little episodes or something. That could change the whole landscape of the argument but they haven't As of yet said anything. Haven't quite done that. So with that being said we are done with our lovely VR segment. Please argue with us in the comments. [CROSSTALK] Tell Jeff that he needs to cancel the Oculus order. Boy. That being said, you ready to talk about what we're into this week? Let's do it. [MUSIC] I am into something Very, what I though, that I feel is very special. Full Frontal with Samantha B. has launched officially. I have yet to watch it, I'm really sad that I haven't seen it yet because I'm a big fan of her. It is so good. The first episode she came out, she was a little shaky. She seemed a little nervous. But now, one episode in, and two episodes in, I think the third episode aired this week. Are early this week. She had really already hit her stride. Great. She's so funny. It makes me wonder why she was not offered the seat, John Stuarts seat. Well, we don't know that she wasn't. I mean yeah, that's true, we don't know that she wasn't. But, but I really, man. She could have been great in the daily show seat, but she's doing some amazing things. It kind of is, to me, a cross between maybe a little bit of the Daily Show, but also some Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. Yeah. But it has definitely her voice, it's all her voice. She's so funny. She has a great time on the show. You can tell, she's just really having a blast. But it is so thought provoking, and just fantastically edited, written, It's really really good. It's sad that we lost John Stewart, but it's fun that basically him going down like spawning four or five of his shows. His children. He plans, like giving his correspondence, keep feeding them out so that they might also have these very strong opinions about what's going on in the world. Exactly. But full fan based [UNKNOWN]. It's really fantastic, I recommend it. If you haven't seen it yet, Check it out. I gotta get on that. I have a video game to tell you about. A very special video game, in my opinion. It's a smaller game, it's called Superhot, or as the game constantly says, super hot, super hot. Says it over and over while you're playing it. This game is awesome. So, basically the idea is, it's a first person shooter in this crazy virtual environment But time only moves when you move. That means that the enemies are running at you, but if you don't touch anything, they don't move. They just stand still. If you move forward or try to shoot your gun or do any action, then time moves and they start to move. So basically what it becomes is as you see here, a crazy ballet Of choreographed action movie that you are choreographing on the fly, but are able to be very deliberate about, because time only moves when you move. So you go, okay, what do I do? It's like chess in an action movie. It turns a first person shooter into a strategy game. That's awesome! It's brilliant and it also comes wrapped in this really cool Sorta aesthetic of crazy old early 90s MS-DOS world, where you're this hacker. Reminds me very much of what was that show that won a bunch of awards this year? Mr Robot? Mr Robot. It reminds me of that sorta hacker aesthetic, it's really, really cool. And then the mechanic, the central mechanic is addictive and brilliant. On a scale of one to ten how translatable would this be to your (UNKNOWN)? I mean made for it, made for it. It's yeah. But, almost every game I've played, when I played Firewatch I was like this would be so much better in VR. Every game I've played. You're getting VR creeps. You're getting VR creeps. Have it, and I hate it. Ambition. Which one do I buy now? They're all so expensive. We could start a KickStarter to get us VR headsets. I know. A Go Fund Me, Go Fund Me. Yeah right. Help us, help us. We're sad street urchins in need of VR. Yeah, sad us, poor us. This is like So beyond first world problems, it's like. [LAUGH] Elysium problems. I need both headsets, everybody! I need all of the virtual reality headsets you guys. They're Elysium problems. Yeah, Elysium problems, right. It's not even first world, it's like off-world Elysium problems. [LAUGH] That's what I'm gonna call those. All right guys, it is time now for our phonetographer of the day. [MUSIC] Our photographer of the day today is John. John took this picture on his iPhone 6. No, I'm sorry. I lied. He took it on his iPod Touch. He wrote in and said hey, Ashley and Jeff. I shot this on my iPod Touch 6. Technically not a phone, and the story was while I walking around the neighborhood I stopped by the park and I took this photo. I give you full permission to use it. That's cool. Really nice panorama there John. I like it, a little pano. The snow, I don't see an Atlas in there. Someone's gotta Photoshop that in. [LAUGH] He's staggering in the background, you can't see him. It's hard for me to realize that this is what most people are dealing with right now cuz it's 85 degrees outside. It's really hot. Somebody in the YouTube comments mentioned that we look like we got spray tans the other day. No, it's just the real world. No, it's just really hot here. We don't have any water. I don't think there's a hole in the ozone layer above us. Then water and VR headsets and sunscreen and then like the second VR headset. Yeah, yeah that'd be good help us survive. It's like sunglasses you've gotta protect your eyes. We're gonna become mole people in Southern California it's too hot, too hot, but it's probably too cold where you are. Hey if you wanna be our photographer of the day Then all you gotta do is send us a picture, tell us what device you took it on, give us permission to use it on the show. And we enjoy little stories so you know why you took that picture or what it's of, all that jazz. All the stuff. Find us on the Internet, we're all over social media. Thank you so much for watching the show. Thanks again to Yondr's CEO, for checking in with us, just showing us his fantastic products. And also we will be back next week With a brand new Yahoo of science fact meets science fiction, but until then, be a good human. Bye guys. [MUSIC]