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Your fired

Sep 23, 2017 10:36AM PDT

Check the NFL.
If you don't honor the flag 'your fired'.
This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve.
Do as I say not as I do.

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Served
Sep 24, 2017 9:22AM PDT

Trump went to a school because he was a trouble maker and his parents put him there.
Perhaps for discipline or to keep him out of the draft or both.

Trump did NOT serve he went to a school.

I don't think it's right for ball players to express personal beliefs during a game but that's something for the owners or the league to fix.

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That school not only taught him
Sep 24, 2017 10:04AM PDT

discipline and got him in line, but taught him love of country. B.Clinton was a draft dodger, and BO CHOSE never to serve in ANY capacity. BOTH believed they were qualified to be Commander in Chief........since Trump has at least had a military background for a number of years, why would you say "This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve." when he has proven that he has had far more experience to lead as CIC than either of those two?

In the 'olden days', judges would look at juvenile offenders (delinquents) in their courtrooms and give them a choice to either go into the military or go to jail. Trump's parents made a decision before it got to that point, but gave him the opportunity to go forward in a positive way in his life. He made the most of it and became a far larger success in life than either of the other two did with theirs.

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Trump did not serve
Sep 24, 2017 10:33AM PDT

He went to a school.

I spent 54 weeks at one of those after basic.
Spit and polish, inspections, marching, pt, 4 hrs a day of classroom.
Uncle Sam was nice enough to pay for it and then I went out and did a job.
That's what I call serving, not hiding in a school for years to avoid serving.

What do you keep bringing up your grudge list?

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TRUMP?.....discipline?
Sep 24, 2017 11:43AM PDT
He's got a Marine General supervising him...and even he can't keep TheRUMP from ranting

As the new White House Chief of Staff, John Kelly routes all calls to and from President Donald Trump through the White House switchboard, where he can sign off on them. He stanches the flow of information reaching the President's desk. And he requires that all staff members - including Trump's relatives - go through him to reach the president.

But none of those attempts at discipline mattered this week. Instead, Kelly stood to the side as Trump upended his new Chief of Staff's carefully scripted plans - pinballing through an impromptu and combative news conference in New York in which he inflamed another self-inflicted controversy


The ONLY thing even remotely "military" about him is HE's a "loose cannon"
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Re:all calls to and from President Donald Trump
Sep 24, 2017 1:33PM PDT
all calls to and from President Donald Trump through the White House switchboard, where he can sign off on them.

Can Donnie come out and play?

Not until he does his homework.
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Kelly has a hopeless job
Sep 24, 2017 4:58PM PDT

If your a one star tasked with keeping a 5 star out of trouble and this 5 star says or tweets the first thing that pops into his head then your very limited.
It's constant damage control.

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And crickets from you
Sep 25, 2017 3:02AM PDT

regarding all of my arguments about Goodell and the NFL's stance on 'free speech'.....typical grudge garbage that you accuse me of having, Bob.

Did you know that BO PAID the NFL over $1M of TAXPAYER money to have their players stand for the National Anthem? BUT the NFL only paid back $780K? They had no problem being BRIBED by a liberal president and FORCING their players no matter how much those players may not have wanted to stand....but hell, it was BO. Now that it's a Conservative Republican SUGGESTING the NFL to do the same thing WITHOUT money, it's a different story.

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I know you LOVE to talk about Obama
Sep 25, 2017 3:17AM PDT

TheRUMP said that Obama should not be talking about re-naming the Washington Redskins....

yet here HE is talking about the NFL

hypocrisy?

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crickets
Sep 25, 2017 4:15AM PDT

What does any of that have to do with Trump serving?

Presidents should not make public statements about their displeasure with how a private business runs their business.

As for players standing or kneeling it makes no difference to me.
That's something for the owners or the league to solve.

That grudge list you have must be a multi page doc.
You seem to trot it out often.

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You don't believe he served
Sep 25, 2017 9:30AM PDT

in any capacity....I do; however, even the amount of time he spent at a military academy gave him experience far greater than B.Clinton or BO ever even thought of.

As for the topic at hand, I went back to your original topic......how do you feel about the facts that I presented regarding 'free speech' and the NFL, in addition to BO's 'interference' with the NFL?

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Served
Sep 25, 2017 10:02AM PDT

Trump hid in a school to avoid the draft.
Did he learn some things there....yes.
Did he serve....no.
Now he wants to go around waving the flag......political points.
Should a prez stick his nose into how a business conducts business....not publicly.

As for the NFL and free speech.
I don't think a ball park is a place for players to make a political statement.
This is something for the owners and the league to address.
If it does not interfere with the game I just ignore it.

BO must have inflicted terrible pain on you.
I kind of fell sorry for folks that just can't let things go.

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The whole point of this topic is 'free speech' protests
Sep 25, 2017 2:16PM PDT

And my response was that Goodell is a hypocritical hack for liberals in that he did NOT allow the Dallas Cowboys to display a tribute on their helmets for the slaughtered cops in Dallas, nor was a team player allowed to have a tribute on his SHOES for Tillman who gave up his NFL career contract and died in Afghanistan, and Tim Tibow was vilified for kneeling on the field in a two second thanks to God, just to name a few. THEIR free speech was denied over and over again, but these pieces of garbage are ENCOURAGED to kneel against the very country that gave them those million dollar contracts while they drive around in their Mercedes and ignore their former communities that they are supposedly protesting FOR.

Gimme a break from the bull........

And, yes, BO inflicted great pain on this entire country, not just me. Keep 'felling' sorry (it's called FEELING) for people like me that refuse to allow the crap to keep rolling when what we are dealing with NOW is because of THEM.

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Re;The whole point of this topic is 'free speech' protests
Sep 25, 2017 5:04PM PDT

Poor Tony, such baggage to carry around.

The owners and the league can decide what is or is not allowed on the field not the prez.

If the fans don't like political statements being made on the field don't watch the game.

I have better things to worry about than if ads are disallowed on helmets or shoes.

For some guy that hid in a school to escape the draft to now run around waving the flag seems a bit much.

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It's TONI with an "I"...you should know better
Sep 26, 2017 4:09AM PDT

and they weren't ADS that the players were wanting to display....they were TRIBUTES that the NFL decided to NOT allow. Freedom of Speech, Bob, as DICTATED by a Commissioner because of restrictions THEY imposed and made individual decisions on. So LIBERAL freedom of speech in the form of PROTESTS are ok, but TRIBUTES to fallen police officers, 9-11, and former players turned heroes who DIED for those same freedoms is intolerable.

HYPOCRITE GOODELL for encouraging disrespect.........

Where do you think B.Clinton and BO HID, Bob? At least Trump "hid" at a school that taught him to be a patriot to his country and taught him respect for our military....which is WHY he is qualified to be our leader, and why the other two were NOT.

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ADS
Sep 26, 2017 6:41AM PDT

The NFL can set any kind of rules they want.
It's their business to run.
If you don't like those rules don't watch the games.

Hide.
Yes many people hid in a school to avoid the draft.

Military school, patriot, that's odd.
I 'SERVED' with people who had gone to a military school.
Nothing jumped out at me that they were any different than some guy that got drafted.

My opinion of Trump is that he is a self centered person who does not give a hoot about anyone/thing but Trump.

He's playing to his base with this flag waving stuff.

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NFL rules....
Sep 26, 2017 10:43AM PDT

sure, they can set any rules they want.....they're just getting called out on their hypocricy since the only ones they enforce are conservative ones while they encourage the far left liberals. And the fans are responding........

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Re;NFL rules
Sep 26, 2017 11:05AM PDT

Good.
Let the fans respond.
If enough fans stop watching the NFL will change.

It's not up to draft dodger Trump to go on national tv and wave the flag because he saw something on the tube that he did not like.

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Actually TV content is govt business
Sep 26, 2017 11:21AM PDT

The entire broadcast system is regulated by the govt, so Trump has every right as President to speak out about what's on TV as our president, and also as any citizen too.

As for NFL, do like me and quit watching it. I only watch the Super Bowl anymore. Got tired of all the "look at me everyone" crap done by self worshippers in the end zones after a touchdown, the weird dancing and ball spiking, reminding me of the Chicken Dance. They are hire to provide entertaiment by playing football, not hired for any other thing like their politics, etc. Do the job and if you want to do more than your job while you are "on duty" then do it on your own time instead of preempting TV time to make an horse's derriere out of yourself. People aren't watching the show to see you do anything more than what you are being paid to do!

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Re;Actually TV content is govt business
Sep 26, 2017 11:39AM PDT

Yes the fcc regulates what is and is not allowed.

No Trump did not break any rules.

I just find it odd that this draft dodger would go on national tv and start waving the flag because he saw something on the tube he did not like.

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Draft dodger Trump
Sep 26, 2017 3:00PM PDT

Here's what I can find

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-draft-deferments/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jul/21/was-trump-draft-dodger/

I don't think his case is any different from 10s of thousands of other people during that time. So...depending on how one views things, he was either lucky or unlucky. I am a person who went (partly) through a similar experience but was never disqualified and I did end up enlisting in a branch of service that I thought would be more safe. I guess that also makes me a draft dodger.

As I've gotten older and watched what has happened to people of this era, I do find irony in the knowledge that so many who demonstrated against the draft, against the war, and spat on returning soldiers, are now criticizing Trump and other politicians for their lack of military service. Time doesn't cause all of us to lose our memory. Wink

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Re; Draft dodger Trump
Sep 26, 2017 5:43PM PDT

Trump hid in a school to avoid the draft.
People with money could do that.
I have a friend who did that, his parents had money.
He did not want to be at this school so he spent 4-5 yrs taking minimum classes and partying.
There were other ways such as going to Canada.
I don't have a problem with pols or anyone else not having military service unless they now start waving the flag for their own purpose.
That's what Trump is doing.

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So did every military officer then
Sep 26, 2017 5:47PM PDT

Reason is because to become an office they needed the college degree and to get that meant getting deferrals for 4 years to complete the degree. So what you and JP have are a whole lot of nothing concerning college deferrals from being drafted.

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(NT) Re;So did every military officer
Sep 26, 2017 6:04PM PDT
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Re;So did every military officer
Sep 26, 2017 6:36PM PDT

True if you wanted to become an officer you needed that degree.
Then Trump suddenly develops a medical problem which gets him another deferment.
The medical problem goes away right after the draft ends.
Now he wants to wave the flag because he's unhappy about something.

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Partying and taking "minimum" classes?
Sep 27, 2017 1:45AM PDT

Is this something of which you have personal knowledge or have you spent significant time interviewing his past friends and classmates? I'd not rely too heavily on piles of media articles on such subjects and pass them off as gospel truths. Cite your sources please. And, yes...his family had money the money to send him to school. Why is that a sin? Should our leaders all be "self made"? Who, in the last batch of candidates on both sides would have been acceptable to you? I would have to say that Carson and Kasich may have come closest among the dwindling field.

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Re;Partying and taking "minimum" classes?
Sep 27, 2017 7:14AM PDT

My source is my friend.
He got kicked out of one school for doing dumb stuff while partying.
That made him eligible for the draft.
His parents had to scramble to find another school to accept him fast.

I did not say having money was a sin.
Money was a tool that the wealthy used to keep their children from having to serve.

Candidate.....I did not have a favorite.
I would like to see someone who is not far left or right.

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Do you honestly believe Trump is far right?
Sep 28, 2017 10:46AM PDT

You're joking, right? He is the most 'middle of the road' that we've had in tens of years, Bob.

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Do you honestly believe
Sep 28, 2017 11:58AM PDT

Where did I say anything about Trump being far right?
You have such an anti liberal dem grudge you read things into post.
My opinion of Trump is he is a self center person who does not care about anything but Trump.

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what's the draft from 70's...
Sep 26, 2017 3:46PM PDT

....have to do with it? Even if Colin Kaepernick or whatever his name is, changed and became a flag waver, I'd support him then. What proof of dodging the draft do you have? Not everyone with a draft card was drafted.

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Re;what's the draft from 70's..
Sep 26, 2017 5:50PM PDT

Trump did not think enough of the flag to serve.
He hid in a school to evade the draft.
Now he wants to use the flag for his own agenda.

Not everyone with a draft card was drafted.
True.