I've heard something like that before ...
Check the NFL.
If you don't honor the flag 'your fired'.
This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve.
Do as I say not as I do.
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Check the NFL.
If you don't honor the flag 'your fired'.
This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve.
Do as I say not as I do.
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This is a tough one and I'd not want to condense it down to our president's comments. The action by these players is being taken for the purpose of condemning something about our country and they are using their employer's time to do it. If you work for Google, you can be fired for what you say on your personal time. Football fans pay a fair price to see these highly paid athletes show off their skills. Should these players use their public visibility during work time to make social or political statements? I recall going to many concerts years ago with the intention of hearing well played and sung music but becoming angry when the musicians would spend a lot of time using the stage to make negative political comments or ridicule our leaders. They've a constitutional right to voice their opinions but that, IMO, doesn't mean anytime and any venue.
If someone does not want to stand during the anthem that's their business.
I may think it's wrong but I just ignore them.
I go to a ball game to see the game.
People can do whatever they want as long as it does not interfere with the game.
If spectators do this, it's another matter. These players represent their teams and their leagues and are employees and it's my opinion that their employers have a right to determine what kind of behavior is permissible, at least, when they are at work.
I'd leave these policy decisions up to the teams, their owners and league managers but I think that a president is certainly justified, if not obligated to, voice an opinion when he/she feels the country as whole is being disrespected.
They should set the rules as to what is allowable conduct.
I don't feel disrespected at all if some player does not stand during the anthem.
As I said I just ignore them.
Trump's answer on anything he does not like is 'your fired'.
He could have easily gone to the league and expressed his opinion but that does not play to the base......political points.
Trump has not directly asked anyone with authority to do so to fire any NFL players. He has commented that too many stadium seats left unfilled because of fans who were unhappy with these players could lead to their firing. I would say that's probably a true statement. He's also made 'wouldn't it be nice if...' type of statements but, when I compare the media headlines to the actual quotes, I find the stories to be misleading. "Look before you leap" is often heard but too often ignored. Our sorry mainstream media outlets have a firm grasp on too many who don't bother to take the time to look.
what is your opinion in regards to the underlying topic?
same way as you presented it. "Kneeling OR patriotism?" is anything but a well reasoned projection of the entire subject. I see it much more complicated but won't get into that now. As for your question about Trump's mouth, I've long ago indicated that I find his personality to be a big problem and his use of street language during informal sessions is not worthy of a person in his position. I've never defended him for that. I have protested the treatment he gets from most media outlets and will continue to do so if they don't change. If something that's been brewing suddenly "hits the fan" only when Trump brings it up, that's not (IMO) the president's problem. It's something that has needed to happen and could have been dealt with before he brought it up.
No comment about how this came up last year during BO's reign....and HE handled it by BRIBING the NFL into submission so that HE didn't look bad.
"This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve."....but his IMAGE was everything to him, even if it was a LIE because everyone already KNEW how he felt/feels about the flag, the National Anthem, the country, and the Constitution.
BRIBING the NFL into submission so that HE didn't look bad.
TAKE THIS MONEY...NO! NO! NO!....I WON'T! I DON'T WANT IT!....GET AWAY FROM ME!...I going to call the cops.
They should have refused the money...THAT would have made him look bad. Accepting the money makes the NFL look bad.
Is this what you're talking about?
In 2009, Barack Obama's Department of Defense began paying hundreds of thousands towards teams in a marketing strategy designed to show support for the troops and increase recruitments.
YOUR words...Did you know that BO PAID the NFL over $1M of TAXPAYER money to have their players stand for the National Anthem? BUT the NFL only paid back $780K?
Most people don't pay back "bribes"..is that an American thing?
Recruitment ads?...PAID Recruitment ads? Oh the horror of paying for advertising...AND getting 75% of the money you pay for ads returned.
were SEPARATE from bribing the NFL to make their players stand in respect.
There was such an outcry from the taxpayers over having to bribe the NFL into forcing their players to stand that the NFL was shamed into returning the majority of the money for THAT 'program' as well. The NFL refused to honor the military unless they got paid by the WH...and that became public as well.
includes a link to BO praising Kapernick's kneeling as well.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Obama+paid+NFL+to+make+players+stand&form=EDNTHN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=ca8a262affff4eb7939018f54e529c4a&sp=-1&pq=undefined&sc=0-18&qs=n&sk=&cvid=ca8a262affff4eb7939018f54e529c4a
Here's a separate link to the Dept. of Defense paying them for promoting the military.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074411/Defense-Department-paid-5-4million-NFL-honor-veterans-games.html
Well, i read SOME of your32,100,000 results links...I didn't read them all...
You claim it was a "bribe"...and the links were evidence of a bribe.
I'm sorry, but to me it looks like the government paid for something to be performed at football games.
I couldn't find the word "bribe' in any of the links you provided that I looked at. (unless you include the comments section)
RE:Here's a separate link to the Dept. of Defense paying them for promoting the military.
And this shall be known as 'advertising"?
The money is above and beyond the millions of dollars a year that agencies already spend on their fulltime press, communications and media operations, and it has gone to pay for projects as varied as NASCAR and sports sponsorships, recruitment efforts for the military services, veterans benefits, welfare aid, and programs that help multi-billion dollar multinational corporations pitch their products to overseas customers, the records show.
Even NASCAR?...NO FRIGGIN' WAY>>>>TheRUMP is claiming NASCAR knows how to honour the flag....Not like the NFL....
NASCAR is being "bribed"?
Say it ain't so....
is from 2012....BO's time, just like the links I provided that shows BO had to bribe sports outlets for specific ACTIONS from them, not just for ads, JP, to make HIM look like he supported the military all while he was against them in every other way. NASCAR has ALWAYS supported our troops and the money used by them was for paid ADS not ACTIONS. There is a difference...when you have to PAY an organization to force your players to stand in respect, it's a bribe.
So you're saying those NASCAR people that stood with their hand on their heart while the National Anthem was played were bribed/paid to do that?
That's not saying much for the NASCAR drivers and teams is it?
Oh wait...this statement by YOU claims something different
NASCAR has ALWAYS supported our troops and the money used by them was for paid ADS not ACTIONS
Obama paid/bribed sports outlets EXCEPT for NASCAR.....Boy are THEY dumb.....All that money just sitting there.....
I'm amazed that more people than you didn't pick up on the inequality....
BTW I still haven't seen any links from YOU where the "fake news" OR FOX NEWS is using the word "bribe". approx 32 million links...no use of the word 'bribe"...go figure.
I figure people are "programmed"...
Play the National Anthem...
people stand up and put their hand on their heart....(they shall be know as suckers?)
others may stand up and get their wallet out...ready to receive a bribe.(they shall be known as entrepreneurs?)
pay back over $750K, I would consider that to be bribe money and it wasn't for ADS..
how many of those patriotic displays are still going on, JP? I haven't seen any of them since the NFL paid back that marketing money for INAPPROPRIATE INSTANCES..........The DOD paid them for MARKETING the military and they used it inappropriately and once the money was paid back, the NFL stopped doing anything that resembled patriotism...by omission, they have admitted it was bribery and they took it one step further by misappropriation of that bribe. Thanks for proving my point.
paid for by the DOD.....
And that makes YOU uninformed and in the dark, JP.
DID NOT!!!!
That was easy...I must do it more often.....
little more than gripes about people and criticisms of posts here should start offering well reasoned arguments for some position of your own. Your contributions tend to lack any depth at all.
Now...I fully expect you'll take that remark and try to turn it into a hypocritical one on my part. Have fun doing so. I've wasted enough time trying to be reasonable with you.
"offering well reasoned arguments"
But, didn't he recently refuse to do just that?
Goodell is completely incompetent as a leader of that organization........he (along with many liberals) believe these high paid players have a right to 'free speech', even during working hours that fans are paying for, but didn't believe in that same 'free speech' when it came to Tim Tebow as HE knelt on the field during working hours to honor God and didn't believe in Tim's 'free speech' when he did a prolife ad with his mother.
Goodell also stated that the players do 'good things'.......but history has proven that, especially recently, that many players have never even been punished by that same NFL commissioner when they have actually committed CRIMES, including MURDER.
These same players who kneel instead of standing for our flag and national anthem are also the same jerks that little kids look up to as 'heroes', and are now being taught to kneel on their OWN play fields and they don't even know WHY they are copying those creepy, idiot 'heroes'.
Fans have been being charged astronomical amounts of money not only for their annual seats tickets but also in local/State taxes to build those freaking stadiums rather than the leagues paying for the construction themselves just to go and be totally insulted and disgusted with the 'freedoms' these disrespectful and ungrateful players take for granted by the very military that fights on their behalf. Don't talk to me about a President who didn't serve........take a look at Bill Clinton and BO....and compare THEIR non-service to Trump who actually not only played football in college but also SERVED in a MILITARY ACADEMY for YEARS.