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Your fired

Sep 23, 2017 10:36AM PDT

Check the NFL.
If you don't honor the flag 'your fired'.
This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve.
Do as I say not as I do.

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Hmmm ... Do as i say, not as ...
Sep 23, 2017 2:40PM PDT

I've heard something like that before ...

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And your opinion on the issue being raised
Sep 24, 2017 2:20AM PDT

is??

This is a tough one and I'd not want to condense it down to our president's comments. The action by these players is being taken for the purpose of condemning something about our country and they are using their employer's time to do it. If you work for Google, you can be fired for what you say on your personal time. Football fans pay a fair price to see these highly paid athletes show off their skills. Should these players use their public visibility during work time to make social or political statements? I recall going to many concerts years ago with the intention of hearing well played and sung music but becoming angry when the musicians would spend a lot of time using the stage to make negative political comments or ridicule our leaders. They've a constitutional right to voice their opinions but that, IMO, doesn't mean anytime and any venue.

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My opinion
Sep 24, 2017 3:41AM PDT

If someone does not want to stand during the anthem that's their business.
I may think it's wrong but I just ignore them.
I go to a ball game to see the game.
People can do whatever they want as long as it does not interfere with the game.

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People...yes
Sep 24, 2017 5:19AM PDT

If spectators do this, it's another matter. These players represent their teams and their leagues and are employees and it's my opinion that their employers have a right to determine what kind of behavior is permissible, at least, when they are at work.
I'd leave these policy decisions up to the teams, their owners and league managers but I think that a president is certainly justified, if not obligated to, voice an opinion when he/she feels the country as whole is being disrespected.

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Employers....yes
Sep 24, 2017 5:56AM PDT

They should set the rules as to what is allowable conduct.
I don't feel disrespected at all if some player does not stand during the anthem.
As I said I just ignore them.

Trump's answer on anything he does not like is 'your fired'.
He could have easily gone to the league and expressed his opinion but that does not play to the base......political points.

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From what I can find
Sep 24, 2017 11:39AM PDT

Trump has not directly asked anyone with authority to do so to fire any NFL players. He has commented that too many stadium seats left unfilled because of fans who were unhappy with these players could lead to their firing. I would say that's probably a true statement. He's also made 'wouldn't it be nice if...' type of statements but, when I compare the media headlines to the actual quotes, I find the stories to be misleading. "Look before you leap" is often heard but too often ignored. Our sorry mainstream media outlets have a firm grasp on too many who don't bother to take the time to look.

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RE:when I compare the media headlines to the actual quotes,
Sep 24, 2017 8:30PM PDT
when I compare the media headlines to the actual quotes, I find the stories to be misleading.

He has also called the players that kneel "Sons of *******"

Is that an insult to the "sons" or the "mothers" of these "sons"?

Calling their mothers "*******"?

What did the mothers do?....Calling THEM names?
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And as I asked the author of the OP,
Sep 25, 2017 1:25AM PDT

what is your opinion in regards to the underlying topic?

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RE:And as I asked the author of the OP,
Sep 25, 2017 3:01AM PDT
And as I asked the author of the OP, what is your opinion in regards to the underlying topic?

The underlying topic OF?

Kneeling OR patriotism?

MY underlying interpretation of the "topic" is TheRUMP bringing up the subject...It's been going on for months....NOW "it hits the fan"

TheRUMP should keep his cakehole shut AND he has a foul mouth.

I answered your question...NOW

Do you think he has a foul mouth?

Yes OR No?...and an explanation of your logic PLEASE.
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Well...I don't see the underlying topic in the
Sep 25, 2017 5:07AM PDT

same way as you presented it. "Kneeling OR patriotism?" is anything but a well reasoned projection of the entire subject. I see it much more complicated but won't get into that now. As for your question about Trump's mouth, I've long ago indicated that I find his personality to be a big problem and his use of street language during informal sessions is not worthy of a person in his position. I've never defended him for that. I have protested the treatment he gets from most media outlets and will continue to do so if they don't change. If something that's been brewing suddenly "hits the fan" only when Trump brings it up, that's not (IMO) the president's problem. It's something that has needed to happen and could have been dealt with before he brought it up.

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RE: I've long ago indicated that I find his personality to
Sep 25, 2017 8:50AM PDT
I've long ago indicated that I find his personality to be a big problem and his use of street language during informal sessions is not worthy of a person in his position. I've never defended him for that.

So you also think he has a foul mouth BUT you won't use those words....

Is it safe to assume you also don't condone the use of "street language" during "formal sessions"?

Formal sessions such as....campaign rallies, news conferences?

RE:If something that's been brewing suddenly "hits the fan" only when Trump brings it up, that's not (IMO) the president's problem.

Nobody knows if it "suddenly hits the fan"ONLY when Trump brings it up"...

all we know is When HE brought it up...it hit the fan......AFTER/BECAUSE he brought it up, it hit the fan.

Actions have consequences....But don't point any fingers/condemn at TheRUMP?

As I posted in another post in this thread

But none of those attempts at discipline mattered this week. Instead, Kelly stood to the side as Trump upended his new Chief of Staff's carefully scripted plans - pinballing through an impromptu and combative news conference in New York in which he inflamed another self-inflicted controversy
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"Hit the fan"
Sep 25, 2017 9:15AM PDT

No comment about how this came up last year during BO's reign....and HE handled it by BRIBING the NFL into submission so that HE didn't look bad.

"This from the guy that did not think enough of the flag to serve."....but his IMAGE was everything to him, even if it was a LIE because everyone already KNEW how he felt/feels about the flag, the National Anthem, the country, and the Constitution.

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RE: BRIBING the NFL into submission so that HE didn't look
Sep 25, 2017 9:36AM PDT

BRIBING the NFL into submission so that HE didn't look bad.

TAKE THIS MONEY...NO! NO! NO!....I WON'T! I DON'T WANT IT!....GET AWAY FROM ME!...I going to call the cops.

They should have refused the money...THAT would have made him look bad. Accepting the money makes the NFL look bad.

Is this what you're talking about?

In 2009, Barack Obama's Department of Defense began paying hundreds of thousands towards teams in a marketing strategy designed to show support for the troops and increase recruitments.


YOUR words...Did you know that BO PAID the NFL over $1M of TAXPAYER money to have their players stand for the National Anthem? BUT the NFL only paid back $780K?

Most people don't pay back "bribes"..is that an American thing?

Recruitment ads?...PAID Recruitment ads? Oh the horror of paying for advertising...AND getting 75% of the money you pay for ads returned.

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The ads bought by the WH PENTAGON
Sep 25, 2017 2:09PM PDT

were SEPARATE from bribing the NFL to make their players stand in respect.

There was such an outcry from the taxpayers over having to bribe the NFL into forcing their players to stand that the NFL was shamed into returning the majority of the money for THAT 'program' as well. The NFL refused to honor the military unless they got paid by the WH...and that became public as well.

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RE:The ads bought by the WH PENTAGON
Sep 25, 2017 2:42PM PDT
The ads bought by the WH PENTAGON were SEPARATE from bribing the NFL to make their players stand in respect.

Link provided upon request?...PLEASE provide a link to your claim.

I'm requesting...or just another claim by you?

Is this another one of YOUR "Obama didn't drop the mic at the Correspondents Dinner" claims?
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RE: Here's a list
Sep 25, 2017 7:58PM PDT

Well, i read SOME of your32,100,000 results links...I didn't read them all...

You claim it was a "bribe"...and the links were evidence of a bribe.

I'm sorry, but to me it looks like the government paid for something to be performed at football games.

I couldn't find the word "bribe' in any of the links you provided that I looked at. (unless you include the comments section)

RE:Here's a separate link to the Dept. of Defense paying them for promoting the military.

And this shall be known as 'advertising"?

The money is above and beyond the millions of dollars a year that agencies already spend on their fulltime press, communications and media operations, and it has gone to pay for projects as varied as NASCAR and sports sponsorships, recruitment efforts for the military services, veterans benefits, welfare aid, and programs that help multi-billion dollar multinational corporations pitch their products to overseas customers, the records show.

Even NASCAR?...NO FRIGGIN' WAY>>>>TheRUMP is claiming NASCAR knows how to honour the flag....Not like the NFL....

NASCAR is being "bribed"?

Say it ain't so....

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NASCAR link you provided
Sep 26, 2017 4:02AM PDT

is from 2012....BO's time, just like the links I provided that shows BO had to bribe sports outlets for specific ACTIONS from them, not just for ads, JP, to make HIM look like he supported the military all while he was against them in every other way. NASCAR has ALWAYS supported our troops and the money used by them was for paid ADS not ACTIONS. There is a difference...when you have to PAY an organization to force your players to stand in respect, it's a bribe.

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RE: bribe sports outlets for specific ACTIONS from them
Sep 26, 2017 6:49AM PDT

So you're saying those NASCAR people that stood with their hand on their heart while the National Anthem was played were bribed/paid to do that?

That's not saying much for the NASCAR drivers and teams is it?

Oh wait...this statement by YOU claims something different

NASCAR has ALWAYS supported our troops and the money used by them was for paid ADS not ACTIONS

Obama paid/bribed sports outlets EXCEPT for NASCAR.....Boy are THEY dumb.....All that money just sitting there.....

I'm amazed that more people than you didn't pick up on the inequality....

BTW I still haven't seen any links from YOU where the "fake news" OR FOX NEWS is using the word "bribe". approx 32 million links...no use of the word 'bribe"...go figure.

I figure people are "programmed"...

Play the National Anthem...

people stand up and put their hand on their heart....(they shall be know as suckers?)

others may stand up and get their wallet out...ready to receive a bribe.(they shall be known as entrepreneurs?)

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When the taxpayers force you (NFL) to
Sep 26, 2017 10:41AM PDT

pay back over $750K, I would consider that to be bribe money and it wasn't for ADS..

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RE:When the taxpayers force you (NFL) to
Sep 26, 2017 1:32PM PDT
When the taxpayers force you (NFL) to pay back over $750K, I would consider that to be bribe money

YOU would?

I would consider it an example of Obama being a "deal maker"...I know you love 'deal makers/negotiators".
Up until May 2015, the public was unaware that commonplace patriotic scenes at NFL games like military flag rollouts, national anthem performances and welcome home tributes were actually paid-for marketing efforts on behalf of the Department of Defense for recruiting purposes.

On Thursday, ESPN reported that the league agreed to pay $723,734 back to the government for inappropriate instances of "sponsored patriotism" at NFL games.

Americans deserve the ability to assume that tributes for our men and women in military uniform are genuine displays of national pride, which many are, rather than taxpayer-funded DOD marketing gimmicks,” the report said.


"bribe money" Or THEY agreed to make a contribution to the cost of recruitment ads?

I think YES...."sponsored patriotism" by members of the military?

They weren't actors were they?

Were the members of the military that participated in these "patriotic displays" ....PAID by DOD/the government, for their appearance? I used to get paid to show up on training night with the militia...and when I went to training camp. Is it different in America?

Do you consider them being "patriotic"? They were paid weren't they? BY THE TAXPAYER.....do you think they stayed for the game?

Did the NFL charge them to stay and watch the game live?.....Free hot dogs? $4 dollars for a cup of tap water? OR did they all leave after their ceremonies?

Yet another 'bribe"?
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Other than the National Anthem
Sep 27, 2017 3:11AM PDT

how many of those patriotic displays are still going on, JP? I haven't seen any of them since the NFL paid back that marketing money for INAPPROPRIATE INSTANCES..........The DOD paid them for MARKETING the military and they used it inappropriately and once the money was paid back, the NFL stopped doing anything that resembled patriotism...by omission, they have admitted it was bribery and they took it one step further by misappropriation of that bribe. Thanks for proving my point.

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RE:how many of those patriotic displays are still going on,
Sep 27, 2017 7:36AM PDT
how many of those patriotic displays are still going on, JP? I haven't seen any of them

"patriotic displays" such as "playing the national anthem"?

I thought they were an occurrence at every game....Aren't the players kneeling during the "playing the national anthem" ......A patriotic display?

You don't consider "playing the national anthem" to be a 'patriotic display"?

You just watch the game from the kickoff...you don't watch the pre-game ceremonies?

That's why you're "uninformed".."in the DARK"
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The National Anthem is NOT an "AD"
Sep 28, 2017 10:44AM PDT

paid for by the DOD.....

And that makes YOU uninformed and in the dark, JP.

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RE: Thanks for proving my point.
Sep 27, 2017 7:53AM PDT

DID NOT!!!!

That was easy...I must do it more often.....

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You, Mr Bill, who offer
Sep 25, 2017 1:33PM PDT

little more than gripes about people and criticisms of posts here should start offering well reasoned arguments for some position of your own. Your contributions tend to lack any depth at all.

Now...I fully expect you'll take that remark and try to turn it into a hypocritical one on my part. Have fun doing so. I've wasted enough time trying to be reasonable with you.

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RE:to turn it into a hypocritical one on my part
Sep 25, 2017 2:01PM PDT

Unlike you?

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Yes
Sep 25, 2017 3:02PM PDT

Unlike him.

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Bill's comments.
Sep 29, 2017 10:50AM PDT

"offering well reasoned arguments"
But, didn't he recently refuse to do just that?

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Some personal opinions
Sep 24, 2017 8:31AM PDT

Goodell is completely incompetent as a leader of that organization........he (along with many liberals) believe these high paid players have a right to 'free speech', even during working hours that fans are paying for, but didn't believe in that same 'free speech' when it came to Tim Tebow as HE knelt on the field during working hours to honor God and didn't believe in Tim's 'free speech' when he did a prolife ad with his mother.

Goodell also stated that the players do 'good things'.......but history has proven that, especially recently, that many players have never even been punished by that same NFL commissioner when they have actually committed CRIMES, including MURDER.

These same players who kneel instead of standing for our flag and national anthem are also the same jerks that little kids look up to as 'heroes', and are now being taught to kneel on their OWN play fields and they don't even know WHY they are copying those creepy, idiot 'heroes'.

Fans have been being charged astronomical amounts of money not only for their annual seats tickets but also in local/State taxes to build those freaking stadiums rather than the leagues paying for the construction themselves just to go and be totally insulted and disgusted with the 'freedoms' these disrespectful and ungrateful players take for granted by the very military that fights on their behalf. Don't talk to me about a President who didn't serve........take a look at Bill Clinton and BO....and compare THEIR non-service to Trump who actually not only played football in college but also SERVED in a MILITARY ACADEMY for YEARS.