Worlds oldest pornography found, where else? Germany.

appealed only to liberals, in fact, according to you guys it would be a $20 dollar a year business at best. And the article is not about pornography because pornography is a construct of the last 2 or 3 centuries. It's about archaeology, and a mild dig at the Germans. I can do that. I had a German Grandmother.

Rob

subject, not about the article. I had a German ggrandmother, so I can either dig or poke back as the spirit moves me.

to liberals. If they didn't exist you'd have to invent them, sort of like the devil. In fact, aren't you confusing them with the devil? All liberals want to do is make everybody happy instead of making just a few people happy. That's liberals' weakness, they try to make sure everybody's okay, has enough to eat, a place to live support for their old age, and along come the conservatives yelling at them like they're the Anti-Christ and poor old liberals just want to shrivel up and die, which is exactly what the conservatives want too. Its a shame, really.

Rob

get a clue about what makes them tick.

I hate beets, and I don't blame liberals for beets.

What do you have against Germans?

I don't have any French ancestors so I can say that.

... questioning the collective morality, or whatever, of the German people is somewhat fair game. The Nazi era evolved slowly from within and required at least some appeasement/complacency on the part of the German people. I say this with full disclosure that it is an uncomfortable truth to come to grips with as my ancestry is largely German. The same can be said for the roll-over French. In current times, the peoples of these countries cannot be let off the hook entirely (they elect their governments), but the biggest problems seem to be with their governments' actions on the international scene. So that while we are told that the Europeans and Brits were largely against the actions in Iraq (not sure how entirely true this is, but ...) there were governments that did the right thing, and those that stabbed their supposed allies in the back and where France and Germany are concerned it is easy to see why -- their GOVERNMENTS have dirty hands from Saddam dealings

I was not aware of some reason to pick on the Germans with a "where else?" snit where pornography was concerned!

Evie

The joke always was that the Germans went to Denmark for the porn, and the Danes came to Germany for the booze.

... old joke - with a ring of some truth to it ...

In heaven, the chefs are all French, the lovers are all Italian, the police are all British, and the Germans run the place.

In hell, the chefs are all British, the lovers are all German, the police are all French, and the Italians run the place.

... end joke ...

so, what's with that pre-historic erotic statuary from Germany; or with that sort of history, how did the above joke get started?

dw - who has English, French, and German ancestry.

Conservatives buy/view just as much porn as liberals (maybe even more). They're just a lot less likely to admit it.

And it's "Maher."

considerably more animated when the subject of porn/young girls came up on his show. I mean older teens, not little kids.

How do you know Josh that conservatives buy as much, maybe even more, porn than liberals? Are there studies that back that up, or is that just your emotional defense of your 'side'? Consider: liberals are constantly striving to make porn ever more widely available. Conservatives are constantly trying to suppress it. So, you are maintaining that both sides work against their own desires and self interest?

those places.

'Nobody's trying to make anything more widely available.'

Really? Nobody? I suggest you get out of your house a little more often. While liberals like to use that old ploy "We don't want others imposing.....", the fact remains that they ARE working hard to make porn more widely available. I don't think very many are motivated by purely altruistic desires.

Break it down to an "us vs. them" thing if that helps you sleep better. The world is not nearly as black & white as you're trying to suggest.

that liberals, who cannot muster a shred of evidence or authority to back up their claims, want everyone else to believe that they (the liberals) have exclusive access to the truth, and need to educate the rest of us to teach us the error of our ways?

The initial claim (that it's mostly liberals watching porn) was yours, not mine. I haven't seen any links from you either.

Here's my original post for your convenience.

I have noticed that this is a subject of great interest among liberals. My theory is that it is a strong motivator for the liberal mindset. I, of course, do not pretend that such interest is limited to the liberal camp.

I began to notice this correlation when viewing Bill Maurer's (sp?) program.

I don't see 'mostly liberal's watching porn'. Perhaps if you highlighted it for my ancient eyesight. I also used the word theory....Oh yes, I forgot. You guys think 'theory' is a synonym for 'fact' don't you?

You clearly tried to suggest that porn is a subject primarily of interest to liberals. I'm not going to play word games; you painted yourself into this corner.

what I asked for.

It must be emanations of the penumbra eh?

I was never much good as deciphering imaginary writing.

...that when you're backed into a corner, you insist on an exact word match. If you weren't trying to suggest that liberals consume more porn than conservatives, maybe you can clarify. And then provide a link to back up whatever claim you're making, of course.

one way to wriggle out of it. Suggest the fault lies somewhere other than with you. That's another talent that liberals seem to have in abundance.

By the way, you STILL haven't even tried to explain how you got what you said out of what I said.

......how you went from "ex-Nazi" to "still a Nazi," or why I should be expected to provide links when you didn't.

One talent that YOU seem to have in abundance is that for making broad generalizations about "liberals." There are a lot of differences between my politics and, say, DK's, but of course to you we both fit neatly under one umbrella. Must make it easier to come up with posts like the one that started this subthread.

let's say you're right about liberals wanting to teach you about the error of your ways, you're wrong but let us set that aside. It cannot be disputed that conservatives are much more likely to try to impose their beliefs on others by force of law.

Dan

law on the nation? Liberals. Not able to win at the ballot box, liberals are seeking to impose their agenda on the nation through highly biased court decisions. Who is it who is trying to impose a regime in which historical ideas and values are driven out of the public square? Hint: it's not conservatives.

Trying to overturn laws that restrict individual liberty and to gain court decisions that empower individual action is the goal.

You are free to maintain whatever values you wish and to call them whatever you wish. You do not have the right to impose on others your values by force of law. That is what the fundamentalist right is trying to do.

Dan

Any liberal I have ever known, met or heard about loathes the spread of pornography, and certainly none of them "strive to make porn ever more widely available". There is a small cadre of pornographers and their hired guns who do that.

The trouble is in a fight between the First Amendment and Conservative opposition, the choice is a obvious, because only the Conservatives seek to restrict all free speech, protest, burning the flag, etc. rather than just pornography. If the Conservatives were to back out of the conflict it would be harder to allow porn. But the Cons. can't afford to back away because it allows them to pretend to be more "moral" than liberals. Give up that stick to beat liberals with and who knows, some people may actually see the constrictive hand of censorship and thought police approaching.

JMO
Rob

arguement Rob. You are barely past a short first paragraph before we see 'only the Conservatives seek to restrict all free speech'. That giant sucking sound is your argument going down where all **** goes.