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Windows Update question

by zeebell / June 14, 2004 12:52 PM PDT

Gateway 400 Select PC; Windows 98SE; IE6; 160 MB RAM

I check Windows Update regularly (at least weekly) and have not had any updates for awhile. The last one I got was Q837009 and that one was for OE. When checking the View History area, it shows my last update was February 2004. I have checked WU twice during the last week and it still says no critical updates available for my PC.

A friend said there was one he thought within the last 10 days. This concerns me and I wonder if I'm missing the boat somehow.

Any ideas please?

Thanks - Julea

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Re: Windows Update question
by Brent Welch / June 14, 2004 1:46 PM PDT


Q837009 is the most recent critical update I can find for Windows 98SE.

Most of the recent critical updates seem to apply to issues with Win. 2000/XP. Windows 98 and ME are not affected.


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(NT) Thank you very much Brent -- I appreciate it!
by zeebell / June 14, 2004 3:09 PM PDT


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Julea, It's Windows 98 ....
by Grif Thomas Forum moderator / June 14, 2004 3:13 PM PDT

...Microsoft has indicated that although they still support Win98, they won't be posting any of the "minor" security updates on the Windows Update site. Unless they're "Critical", they won't be posted.

Your friend is probably thinking about the recent DirectX update which was posted about a week ago. Although it does apply to Windows 98, it's rated "moderate" and therefore wasn't posted on Windows Update for Win98 machines. Unfortunate, for sure...

If you'd like to read about it, here is a link to the Security Bulletin:

Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-016 Vulnerability in DirectPlay Could Allow Denial of Service (839643)

Still, if you currently have DirectX 9 on your computer, the update will be included in a future DirectX 9c version. Many Windows 98 users aren't using DirectX 9 because they may have older video cards installed which don't support the new DirectX version. So, for many, it's actually better to stay with the older DirectX versions such as 8.1, etc.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Julea, It's Windows 98 ....
by zeebell / June 15, 2004 5:37 AM PDT

Thanks Grif for the info -- I have my DirectX Version written somewhere, but know I do not have the DirectX9. In fact, our PC is 4 years old and I've never downloaded any updates for that. Thanks for your help -- I appreciate you.


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Re: Windows Update question // 98 may not qualify...
by tobeach / June 14, 2004 3:16 PM PDT

for a security update. As best as I can tell, MSs' life cycle system now has 98 & 98se as only updateable if update qualifies as "Critical" in MS opinion . Medium threat is not enough for them to do the extra work involved! Trying to get you away from a nice, small (relative) secure OS program (98) and into their expensive, large, and secure(???!!! HOW many sec.patches by now 40?) XP . Thiis came about as they were announcing that they would continue updates for 98 to 2006? Despite the billion dollar hype, much of the world isn't willing to toss away their 98s!! I believe up coming "Longhorn" will be scarier yet from a privacy point of view. For example: Say MS & US Gov. get unfettered access to all puters with Longhorn via net bios or deeper ports able to by pass firewalls etc. MS promote as "convienient Auto Updating" (and scanning & uploading of anything currently out of favor with powers that be.) We already hear of War Wagon drive by downloading to those with wireless connections. Think about Homeland Security being able to serepticiously (sp?) download any incriminating evidence they want onto any computer they want! George Orwell didn't know the half of it. End of my paranoid rant. (So impossible?} Hmmm..... Interesting Times indeed! Happy

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Re: Windows Update question
by natalia / June 15, 2004 12:02 AM PDT

My advise is to check manually.
Mine is set at Auto Windows Update, but I am not at all sure whether Auto Update does indeed update all critical updates all of the time. I have been checking manually at least monthly for a while and, like you, comparing last known Auto Updates and patches with all most recent displayed in Windows website. I occasionally clock perhaps one or two not accounted for, but ONLY occasionally.

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Re: Windows Update question
by zeebell / June 15, 2004 5:42 AM PDT

Would you believe I always do mine manually? In fact, I do everything manually -- spybot, WUpdate, antivirus, ad-aware, spyware blaster, stinger, cwshredder, etc., etc., etc. I don't trust the auto updates. In my earlier days, some of the autos didn't work when they should have, so needless to say, I am an manual person. I'm one that checks my antivirus updates EACH time I go on line. I'm dial-up -- slow, but I feel safer, to a degree.

Thanks for your post Fran.


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