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Question

Windows 10 & XP

Mar 24, 2018 11:49AM PDT

Upgrading - Have a Windows 10 machine hardwired to an XP machine. Have it mostly working, but have two problems. 10 machine can see xp with no problems, but xp cannot connect to 10. Workgroups are the same. I can see it but cannot access. Obviously problem is security. Tried everything I could think of to no avail. Also, I have an HP Color Laserjet 1600 on the xp machine. It would seem that HP did not deem to make a driver for it for 10. Anybody know of a driver that will work so I can use it on the network?

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I worry about your research.
Mar 24, 2018 12:55PM PDT

No offense but there are prior discussions claiming to solve this one in regards to the printer driver.

Without me looking at priors I usually look to HP and see if they have a W8 driver. That usually works.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-color-laserjet-1600-printer/1140734

As to the XP to W10 share not only is the basic items to deal with but we must be very aware of router firewalls. These can be one way as I noted in the CNET Networking forum sticky about Samsung Owners, start here.

Since we know that, I won't duplicate that here and share my research from here on:
https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-color-laserjet-1600-printer/1140734
I see W8 64 drivers.

As to the XP share, the router firewall SHALL be disabled until we get this working.
https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/xp-to-windows-7-8-10-printer-sharing/ and many other posts are out there.

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network xp to 10
Mar 24, 2018 2:18PM PDT

Sorry I don't meet your expectations Mr. Proffitt. However, printer is now working. Thank you. Problem with sharing xp to 10 remains. I was and am aware of the router firewall and I have tried it with the firewall disabled. My primary concern is connecting xp to 10. I am 65 and do not claim to be an expert at this !@#.

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Remember that networking can require
Mar 24, 2018 3:19PM PDT

That you have a matching account on XP to avoid issues. That is, if I log into W10 with an email account then I do NOT EXPECT XP SHARES to show since there is no similar security system on XP.

Details like this matter so the work around for XP is to enable the Guest account. Here's a link on that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=xp+enable+guest+account

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XP workaround
Mar 24, 2018 6:36PM PDT

The problem is XP getting to Win10, not visa versa. 10 is getting to XP fine.............. I tried it though. Shut off the IPv6 Firewall and enabled the Guest account. Same thing. I remember how 2000 worked and how you had to set up the users. Also tried assigning Everyone, Administrators, Users all together with full permission for each. The only thing I can think of that I haven't tried yet is to turn off the firewall on the win10 machine as well. (I'm surprised that Batch still works on 10. I thought they were getting rid of it). I don't have the disks to reload the OS. One suggestion I read wanted me to change the registry. I really don't want to do that if I don't have to.

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I've had to change things
Mar 24, 2018 7:03PM PDT

That I didn't want to. Experiment. Sorry I had it backwards but W10's authentication is not like XP so you may have to not only kill the firewall but get the guest account working.

Why not run a FTP server?

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PS. Remember that Homegroups will be removed soon.
Mar 24, 2018 8:40PM PDT
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Testing
Mar 25, 2018 10:38AM PDT

Will try FTP. Have never used it. Tried putting computer name in both Chrome and Explorer. Got different messages, but the same results. Couldn't find file essentially. COPY of message I get when trying to connect to C: drive on 10 from XP(\\desktop-7oajmgv\WIN10 C is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. Access is denied.) As it stands right now the W10 machine has access to a Brother printer (wirelessly) and the XP machine with it's printer (HP1600). All machines are there under the workgroup on the XP machine.

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C drive is not shareable in W10.
Mar 25, 2018 10:48AM PDT

I can't remember when that started but it can really rankle XP users that did that.

So now we have the issue of can't share C and how XP has no support for W10's credential system (email logins!)

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Re: connect
Mar 25, 2018 11:07AM PDT

I had no problems going from my XP to my W10 machine. Like this:
- same workgroup
- shared a folder (not a drive!) on W10 (I used the same folder, on my d:-drive) as I did when it still was Windows 7
- same local username on XP and W10 (not a Microsoft account)
- W10 user had to have a password
- assigned a drive letter to that shared folder on XP
- type username and password when accessing the shared folder

Post was last edited on March 25, 2018 11:10 AM PDT

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Users XP & 10
Mar 25, 2018 11:38AM PDT

The username on 10 is a GMail address. As it stands, it's too long to create a user on XP with the same name. Will have to make GMail account with shorter name and then enter same in XP. I don't know if that will help or not, but it's something I haven't tried............................ Why did they limit user names on W10 to either an E-Mail address or a phone number? I'll try it with a folder instead of a drive. I've never done it that way, but I know it can be done.

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I found no such limit.
Mar 25, 2018 12:13PM PDT

I run W10 on a local account and can't see any change in length from Windows NT 2.0 to W10.

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User name limit
Mar 25, 2018 12:47PM PDT

I don't know about W10, but user name limit on my XP machine is 20 characters. The E-Mail address that's currently on the W10 machine is over that by 3 characters. Couldn't fit the "com". I'll play with it some more and get back to you. Have some new ideas to try now.

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XP knows nothing about email logins
Mar 25, 2018 2:07PM PDT

The authentication for email logins does not exist in XP.

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xp and E-Mail
Mar 25, 2018 2:14PM PDT

I understand that. I'm just trying to see if having a common user helps any.................... It may not like the @. We'll see.

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Even if you managed to make it fit.
Mar 25, 2018 2:41PM PDT

W10's authentication works differently for email logins so what a way to find out this area.

Make a normal local user for authentication.

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W10 User Accounts
Mar 25, 2018 4:19PM PDT

From what I can see, you can only have a E-Mail address of a phone number as a User name on W10. How can I create a "normal" user? Added Note: Made a batch job on W10 that copies files from 3 different partitions on XP to the one big C: drive on W10. No issues, works like a champ. I can live with that, but I'm going to keep poking around to see if I can get the XP to 10 sharing to work.

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Here's one of many tutorials about that.
Mar 25, 2018 4:52PM PDT
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W10 User Accounts
Mar 25, 2018 6:06PM PDT

Will do that. Didn't load this machine myself, but when I used to do my own installs of an OS I always kept an admin account that was totally untouched after the install so I could go back to a "clean slate" as it were no matter what was added later.

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XP to W10 Network
Mar 25, 2018 7:25PM PDT

That was the ticket!! Made a new local account that matched my Admin account and password on the XP machine. Made a Batch job to backup from XP to W10.......... Runs like a champ.........
Thanks for your help..................

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Typically software is downward compatible
Mar 26, 2018 7:35AM PDT

but not upward. Since XP was released in the early 2000's and Windows 10 I believe 2016. Im not sure if that is the issue but I would google connecting XP OS machine to Windows 10 machine.