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Windows 10 is driving me cray-cray!

Jan 13, 2017 5:03PM PST

Here are my current "what the #{{content}}amp;%$ were they thinking?!?!?!" items:

1. Windows update. You're really going to RESTART MY MACHINE without asking first? What about all the work I was doing? Idiots. And the options for scheduling are insulting. Please tell me there's a hack to fix this. Or some kind of animal sacrifice…

2. Windows search index. Does it have to take such a large percentage of my CPU that my mouse stops moving? And why can't I schedule it so that it always starts at 2 a.m. or something -- so it can do its work while I'm not using my computer!

3. OneDrive. No, I'm not putting my stuff on OneDrive. No, I don't want to be constantly having that be the first/default location. No, I don't want to actually even see it. Let me uninstall it, please?

4. Win-F. Like I'm going to give feedback more than I'm going to want to actually find something on my computer? Win-F should be find. Not feedback.

There's my feedback, please let me know your thoughts, am I alone on these? Happy 'days to all…

--Submitted by Craig I.

Post was last edited on January 24, 2017 2:54 PM PST

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What happens in Outlook if indexing turned off?
Jan 20, 2017 3:07PM PST

Several people have mentioned this, but I don't understand what indexing is required in Outlook that is not required by other Windows processes. I use Outlook and it is cludgy enough that I don't want to make it worse; but I would like to understand. My system is very slow and most of the time I can't figure out why - not being a techie. Thanks for any light anyone can share.

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I have no experience with Outlook...
Jan 20, 2017 3:27PM PST

...but I do know that it stores emails in a way that makes no sense to me. The emails are lumped together into one file, not stored separately as they should be (one file per email). In order to index this, the OS would need to be able to read that one file carefully and decode it. Most email clients do this, and I don't understand why. The only one I have found that does not is EverDesk, and it is a paid program. It stores each email as a file. That makes sense to me. A regular file can be found by any search utility.

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Not exactly correct
Jan 20, 2017 6:30PM PST

what you said about Outlook is true also of Thunderbird, it stores emails within a single file, but both email programs can save any email from inside that file to a separate file if you open the email and choose to save to a file.

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That is beside the point
Jan 20, 2017 11:58PM PST

The question is about indexing. The default method is to store all emails in a single file. Going through and deliberately turning each email into a real file is time-consuming and it would result in those emails being easy for any decent search utility to find. I am 100% exactly correct. The answer was completely appropriate for the question. Read it again.

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Set up Outlook to make finding emails easier & faster
Jan 21, 2017 4:51AM PST

The technical challenges of finding the emails again when they are stored as files might be great and make your computer slower. When thousands of files are stored in one directory, the program that retrieves or views those emails must find them first. An index must be searched and then the exact location on the disk located. It takes a lot of time.

What you can do is setup Outlook to archive different categories of emails to different archive files, e.g., Invoices to InvoiceArchive, news to newsArchive, Calendar to CalendarArchive, etc. Then setup Windows search to index the folder location of the archives, and add this location to the Outlook left pane where your "Personal Folders" are. Now you can see all your historical stuff just as conveniently as current items, and finding things becomes much easier and faster.

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Great?
Jan 21, 2017 3:04AM PST

Wow ,Love this.I have a question guys why I am not able to delete some of my temp files?

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I don't know why...
Jan 22, 2017 11:56PM PST

...but if I had to guess I'd say that they were in use at the time that you tried to delete them.

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LINUX ANYONE??
Jan 20, 2017 4:52PM PST

From all the posts on Win10 it sounds like it is time for many to start exploring LINUX or one of its derivatives, many of which are window systems themselves (along with command line controls too).

Even works on older machines and actually made my old Win-XP system set up and bark!!

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Now built-in x64
Jan 20, 2017 8:11PM PST

So buy the donation-funded version of XMing ($13), activate the Linux on Windows subsystem, install bash and then load Ubuntu. Yes, it can run GUI although not everything runs flawlessly yet. I've had Nautilus, Firefox, apt, synaptic, and a number of other things running.

And, yes, Linux running the Linux on Windows subsystem can access the Windows drives. They appear in /mnt

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Agreed
Jan 20, 2017 11:57PM PST

This is what I have done. The auto-update was the last straw, and although I have had a Windows PC since the 3.0 days, I've now given up and installed Zorin 12 instead.

It looks like Windows, but without all the extra cruft that gets in the way of you getting stuff done.

For any applications that aren't available/won't run under Wine, I've set up a Windows 7 virtual machine just in case.

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I like Linux...
Jan 21, 2017 12:03AM PST

...but honestly, do we have to put up with the constant spam whenever someone posts anything concerning an operating system (and often when the question has nothing to do with an OS). This is an advertisement, pure, plain, and simple. It does not address the question or the problem. I'm sure the original poster is well aware that Linux exists. It has not been kept a secret. People do have the right to choose whatever OS they want or need. If a person wants Windows, or needs to use Windows, or simply has Windows and does not want to change it, then they don't need to have people pestering them constantly about a different OS.

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you are wrong in this case
Jan 21, 2017 12:24AM PST

In this case, I would not consider it spam. if windows is driving the person cra-cra as the subject line stated, then it is a valid suggestion. If windows is driving you crazy, give something else a try - if able. you said people of the right to choose, if they are not given an alternative, how are they going to choose? Not every user is familiar with linux. as long as it is mentioned as an alternative and not turn into how bad windows and how much better linux is, then let it go.

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I disagree
Jan 21, 2017 2:04PM PST

It isn't that I think that Linux should never be mentioned. It has been mentioned repeatedly. What bothers me is that it seems like a religious movement. Come on, people! Give it a rest. I really do get annoyed when a large percentage of the posts advise someone to make a change that he or she is probably not willing to make. As has been mentioned many times, there are practical reasons for not going with Linux for many people, and pushing the issue is not going to make those reasons go away. For those very few people who have not heard of Linux (really?) one mention is sufficient. If they want to know more, then they will ask.

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Who are you to decide...
Jan 21, 2017 4:38PM PST

...what suggestions others might make? Just because it might bother your personal feng shui doesn't mean you should criticize others for their valid suggestions. He doesn't like his current OS. OF COURSE common sense would expect others to offer alternatives like Linux or Mac.

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Agree with you James.
Jan 21, 2017 4:43PM PST

Dafydd.

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Calm down
Jan 21, 2017 4:50PM PST

Who are you to decide what I can and cannot post? I did not attack you or anyone else. Cool off.

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James was right
Feb 28, 2017 7:12PM PST

He was not 'deciding what you could or could not post'... he was RESPONDING to YOUR post which seemed... to me at least.. like MUCH more of an 'attack' on renegade600 .
"What bothers me is that it seems like a religious movement. Come on, people! Give it a rest. I really do get annoyed when a large percentage of the posts advise someone to make a change that he or she is probably not willing to make".
If it DOES involve a 'large percentage of the posts' then obviously not ALL are aware of the options... nothing wrong with giving them those choices. To me .. James gave a perfectly calm response.. didn't you James?..... James?.... Oh well! Happy

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Don't Worry? Wrong. Were is MS Headed?
Jan 20, 2017 8:02PM PST

You seem very helpful, but not MS. I have been in IT for 20+ years and it took a lot of work to get my desktop icons to quit shifting. (But not totally!) And my open windows? I shut the lid and next time they have shifted again to the left. If I put where I want them, LEAVE THEM ALONE!

And then there is SOL. Seems that every update screws up the old plain SOL that came with Win 95 and every version through Win 7. MS wants game $$ and ads and .......... Give me a break. Can you not spare one simple game as an escape. Yeah, I know they have a version - you only have to go through 20 steps to get to it.

Now about that LINUX. I grew up on UNIX. Where can I get a copy to load?9

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your question, not the OP
Jan 21, 2017 1:09AM PST

Excuse the slight off topic, you can get all the free MS Win 7 games to run on Windows 10 - there is a Youtube video (Google it) that shows how and it contains a link to a sample executable. They worked on 10 from RTM to 1511, then the Anniversary edition knocked them off again but the guy who adapted them updated them for AE. I've no doubt that the next 10 release will do the same but...

Your Linux question - as a Unix expert you'll probably find OpenSUSE to your liking - There are two versions you might want to look at, the very stable version is called Leap, current version 42.2, based on the current SUSE Linux Enterprise platform and a developer version called Tumbleweed, that gets updates as available. SUSE has all but given up on 32 bit systems, OpenSUSE 13.2 was the last stable 32 bit I think. Go to OpenSUSE.org to download an ISO image.

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Windows Index services turnoff
Jan 21, 2017 1:16AM PST

It says: "In Explorer Type > services.msc > "

??? WTH are you talking about? "In Explorer" what? the browser? the file explorer?

I'm a friggin' IT retired and I don't know what or specifically WHERE you're talking about.

Can you be a bit more "spoonfeed" specific, please?

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One Drive: Change Default Storage Location
Jan 21, 2017 9:15AM PST

On one of my computers, when I follow your directions for "New documents will save to:" and change to "This PC (C )" and press "apply"--it changes back to "One Drive." Is there something else I need to do first?
Thank you.

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Didn't mean to leave you hanging.
Jan 21, 2017 4:41PM PST

Since others may have the same problem I've updated my original post with more info that will resolve your issue to make PC your default location to store Documents and Pictures; if you desire.

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Additional Info to set PC as default vs OneDrive
Jan 21, 2017 4:50PM PST

Sorry I omitted this in my original post. Some may have to dig deeper to change the default save settings away from OneDrive. The following procedure will work for Documents as well as Pictures.

To the far right in the Win10 task bar you will see your OneDrive icon; if so, procedure to Step 2. If not, you should see a caret ^ to “Show hidden icons”- start with Step 1.

1. Left click it
2. Right click the OneDrive icon
3. Left click Settings
4. Left click Auto Save tab
5. Left click the dropdown arrow in the gray box to the right of Documents and/or Pictures
6. Select This PC only
7. Click OK

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I know how you feel
Jan 13, 2017 10:20PM PST

Do you use MacOS? You should find that those little annoyances are generally a thing of the past with Mac. Also i find (and this is also what my colleagues and friends say) that productivity increases with the Mac. You just get your work done, and Mac generally lets you just get on and gets out of your way.

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re: Macs
Jan 20, 2017 1:53PM PST

I was a Mac user for over a decade.

Really -- if you don't care where your files go, what happens to your music and photos, and are happy to live in someone else's idea of what's best for you and your productivity -- the Mac is great.

My problem: I hate how the Mac takes over the most important aspects of my system: my files. I want my files. I want to see them, touch them, and manage them so I can back them up when the system barfs.

So... that's why I went to Windows. Oh, and also the fact that I couldn't find a Mac that would wake up from sleep reliably more than 2 days in a row...

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Never been a problem for me
Jan 20, 2017 2:12PM PST

Whether using a Mac or a PC I use 3rd party file handlers and I use the command line in Mac extensively as well as Applescripts to tailor its functionality to suit my needs. Never had any type of computer/OS/hardware/software that did exactly what I wanted right out of the box unless I built or programmed it myself. I always found myself spending as much time maintaining/troubleshooting/repairing/updating and cursing Windows as I did actually using it. I use my XP laptop to do various scutwork jobs, Ubuntu just to screw around trying stuff out/experimenting and Macs for everyday use. The Apple touch pad and the graphics/audio/drafting software and processing as well as their security, ease of use and reliability just make it a no brainer for me. YMMV.

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You are not a upgrade obviously!
Jan 20, 2017 2:23PM PST

You are probably using a computer that has not been upgraded from windows 7!

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I upgraded dozens of W7 machines at our office.
Jan 20, 2017 2:27PM PST

We went all in on the W10 upgrade. No big issues here but we run a tight ship.

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Ditto
Jan 20, 2017 6:00PM PST

Ditto (but only 3 machines)

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An ordinary user
Jan 21, 2017 10:29PM PST

You are obviously familiar with PC's of all types, but you have not put yourself into the shoes of someone who is not familiar with the CLI or Applescripts - you speak more like a tech, rather than a regular user. I am somewhat familiar with both operating systems, but not with the background OS of either - as most regular folks are not. I know this is the CNET tech forum, but I think that many lay people also read these posts.