Windows 10 is driving me cray-cray!

The only people that like windows 10 seems to be Microsoft, because of revenue it is generating.10 sux.

And just how much revenue did Microsoft get from you? I'll bet you upgraded to Windows 10 for free.

I'm sure that pred0 never stated that Windows 10 got any revenue from him...(see his post)... but anyone can see that the overall design and purpose of Win 10 is to monitor use and collect information from all users about choices made/searches (ad revenues)... possibly PID info collected and stored at risk of hacking (The 'Cloud') to be later sold to interested parties located all over the World. A Standardized OP that can be monitored and manipulated from a central location if needed.

Anyone who believes that Microsoft GAVE AWAY over 300 million copies of their new operating system for FREE... out of some need to be or look charitable is deluding themselves. Microsoft... as with any business.. generates revenue for their stockholders... whatever form that goal takes.

Virtually everybody. Why not Microsoft?

One of the things I find laughable is that all of the people who complain about Microsoft collecting ANY data (including error technical information) will not hesitate to use services like Google. For work, I had to analyze the situation with Google in respect to governed, criminal justice, data. Turns out Google wasn't CJIS-compliant, nor was it HIPAA-compliant. In general, there was a big stink when Google revealed that they electronically scan or read every single document that passes through their various services, including GMAIL Has anyone EVER bothered to read Google's Terms of Service. I'm pretty sure you'll find it worse than anything Microsoft has. Google is an advertising company. That's how they make their money and they are VERY open about what they do on their website. So, why raise a big argument because Microsoft is doing now what Google and many other websites have been doing for decades.

Google supplies their services for free. Microsoft expects you to pay them, and not a small amount, either. One does have a right to expect to be treated better when you pay for the services and software.

Judging by the reaction (comments) when the story broke that Google electronically scans or reads by human employees world-wide each and every GMAIL that people send or receive, I would say that most (about 99%) Google users have NEVER read the Terms of Service (ToS) nor the privacy policies of Google ("if this is true it is a travesty of...."). We know that private twitter entries are turned over to authorities.
I understand your logic, but I believe that most users would be just as alarmed if they realized that even FREE of charge services have this lack of privacy. On top of that, we are NOT talking about Microsoft as a whole. We are talking about Windows 10 which is basically "free" to most users. Also, people don't equate and Windows OS as a paid for item as it "appears" to be free when you purchase a computer (yes, the cost is actually "included" in the cost of the PC so it is not technically "free"). Google makes billions of dollars off of all their "free" services so, technically, they are really not free either. My comment was that users (some who have read the terms and policies of Microsoft) complain a lot but few complain about the dossiers created by the other free services. I consider Windows (especially, Windows 10) to be a free item unless you are in a business setting where your company has an extended contract with Microsoft. In other words, if you ask a typical commenter about Microsoft's lack of privacy to Google which is the same (or actually worse due to use of unchecked employees), I don't think that two "for profit" companies, the user doesn't complain about Google because they never imagined Google would do the things they SAY that they actually do and not because one is perceived as "free" while the other one is NOT free. To these users, Win 10 is just as free.

It's absurd to call gmail free. Google makes billions of revenue per year in advertising. Gmail is NOT free. It's grossly unethical for google to violate users privacy the way they have - I don't care what they put in the fine print that only lawyers read.

I gave up reading a few lines down.
Dafydd.

No, Windows is not, and never has been free. I don't buy computers off the shelf. I know what an OS costs. Windows 10 was not free either. I had to have one of a few very specific Windows OSes installed in order to get it. No, there is no danger of anyone mistaking Windows for free software, unless they are very uninformed.

On the other hand, I have never paid one penny to Google for anything. It is not a matter of whether they make money or not. Of course they do. They just don't get it from the users. We "pay" for Google services by allowing them to track us and get information from us. We "pay" for Google by allowing the advertisements.

Microsoft needs to decide whether they want to charge for their OS or use advertising and data gathering to make money. They do not have a right to do both. No matter what any idiot says, they do not have the right to use us and then charge us for it at the same time. It is not a matter of privacy (although that is an important issue), it is a matter of being "double charged" for something.

Not that it really matters, Denise. The average home user (not the business user) buys a computer and it comes WITH Windows already installed. Nowhere on their receipt does it have a line item for "Windows 10" unless they specifically needed a copy for something else. If they bought a computer with Windows 7 or above, the upgrade to Windows 10 did not cost them a single swipe of their credit card. Maybe you put together PCs and have to pay separately for Windows but I don't think many home users do. Once again, business purchases are different and depend on enterprise agreements and the like. I just bought a PC. It has Windows on it. No, it is NOT free but, to the average home user, it probably is. Personally, I don't think it matters if we are talking free or not, perceived nor real. Most people don't want to be tracked regardless. My point was that regardless, people complain about Microsoft but they never mention Google who we know reads GMAIL and tracks you. At least they are open about it.

You fail to make a proper distinction between an OS, which is essential and/or mandatory for hardware operation (there are very few choices there), and the facility of a search engine (plus cottoned-on services, if you like) that is optional to the proper workings of a computer, with several, even numerous alternatives to choose from at user´s will and discretion.

Thus, MS Windows vs. Google is where Apples meet Oranges.

I only started making the comparison that people seem more interested in complaining about what Microsoft is doing in terms of privacy but the very same people don't mention anything about Google or Dropbox. I don't think Windows is THAT essential. You can buy Apple or (even) Google OS. There are choices. So, if Google is not essential, then why do people use it knowing that they are being tracked even more so than what MS is doing?

My thoughts about your post. Use your comments in a positive way. Smart A** remarks got you a spanking in our family. Show some respect and keep your comments to your nasty self!

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Dafydd.

Yes, I did upgrade my Windows 7 PC for free, but I didn't actually want to. I was simply afraid that Win 7 support would eventually end and I would be stuck paying then. Win 10 came on the laptop that I purchased in 2015, and I didn't really like it (still don't), but they will stop supporting Windows 7 in the near future. I absolutely hate Edge - for one thing you can't view a youtube vid in full screen in Edge, so I have to resort to Chrome or IE 11 for that.

I do use Edge and watch youtube videos all the time in full screen, maybe you should just check your settings.

But I really shouldn't have to - because I don't have to adjust settings in Chrome or IE 11 just to view a full screen of a YouTube video. Why should I have to in Edge?

So I am going to assume that you have some sort of backup device.
1. Make an Image backup of the whole disk drive that windows runs from. (good practice).
2. Open computer management then open disk management.
3. Shrink your C: drive down about 30GB and create a new partition in the free space.
Right click that partition, create a new volume and format it with the quick format option.
4. Download and run the windows 10 media creation tool.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
5. Install a clean Windows 10 on the newly created partition (don't enter a key).
6. After it's installed, it will ask you to do an express configuration. Do NOT do this.
7. Select custom and turn off all switches except to send diagnostic data to Microsoft
(last item on second page of three.)
8. Activate windows, select enter a new key and use the key on your windows 7 sticker on your PC. (on laptops, it may be under the battery).
9. Now your machine is digitally licensed for windows 10. You have a perpetual license.
You can keep the windows 10 partition if you like, and use the dual boot feature to learn
more about Windows 10 in preparation for an eventual upgrade or remove it and continue
to use just windows 7 until it reaches end of life in 2020. At that time you can do an
in-place Windows 10 upgrade. During the upgrade, do not enter a key when asked,
the digital license will activate it automatically.
Make sure you repeat items 6 and 7 for this install. Virtually all your programs should
continue to work. Voila!

Rock, we are not talking about the few bucks, if any, that one pays for software. The revenue is from advertising and from collecting data which is used or "sold" to advertisers. There's no free lunch! Websites cost a fortune to run so, every time you hit on something "free", you should realize that there is money being made under the skin. And money comes from information. Not from the minor cost of the OS.

FREE was the smartest thing to do; especially for the G-d-awful piece of TRASH that they created. But, even TRASH has its upside. Its just that I get tired of stumbling over all of the stuff they littered 10 with in order to experience the good. I wish they would STOP INVENTING THE WHEEL and perfect the product they've got.

I've always maintained that I never learned more than 10% of XP (probably more like 1%), but I actually had fun LEARNING new things it offered that most people never knew about. And that took 12 years!

You can go into Control Panel and uninstall OneDrive.

Because that you what you want to believe doesn't make it even remotely true.

I like it and I am self-employed. I really don't know what the big deal was. Many people just don't like change. However, I embrace it generally, downloaded it right away and have been on-board ever since. Sure, there are glitches (as with many things) but I just rolled with them.

Compared to win 7, I found win 10 a lot more attractive and much easier to use. What Microsoft can collect from you can be controlled and set to your own needs. It was about the same for win 7, but every times something is new, we should take a moment to learn it, just to stay in control...

I appreciate the response! However, I think MSFT did away with displaying OneDrive in any of the processes since I cannot find it anywhere! (jerks)

As for indexing: I'd agree, but it also indexes my Outlook database, and I cannot afford to lose that...

It is not under processes but under the startup tab

The only reason I like OneDrive is that all my files are then available on all my devices, but I do agree that it should not be the default location for saving files.

None of my files are saved to OneDrive, and I won't use it. It is too easy to change your default location for saving files.