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Win 10 install on cloned HD

by jay1028 / October 11, 2015 12:15 PM PDT

I want to try out win10. I don't want the upgrade to contaminate my perfectly running win7 pro. My plan is to cone the win7 HD to a new HD. Take the present HD out of the laptop and install the cloned one. Then upgrade to win10 pro on the cloned HD. If after a while, I don't like it, I would remove the cloned HD (win10 upgrade) and reinstall the win7 HD back in the laptop and keep running win7.

Does anyone see any problems with this?

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I don't see anything wrong with that.
by Oldartq / October 11, 2015 12:32 PM PDT

I Think it's a good plan...little bit more work but safer.

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Excellent plan
by itsdigger / October 11, 2015 12:47 PM PDT

Than you have the best of both worlds .
I also created my Windows 7 system image discs for even more safety

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image discs?
by Oldartq / October 12, 2015 7:16 AM PDT
In reply to: Excellent plan

Which software did you use to create them? Is it bootable? It sound like it's lot cheaper than cloning a Hdd.

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that's native in
by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 7:33 AM PDT
In reply to: image discs?

Win 7 and Vista

How to create a set of System Image Discs and is bootable to install the complete system with the files and programs that were installed .

Here's a Youtube tutorial

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Why would you say that?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / October 12, 2015 7:43 AM PDT
In reply to: image discs?

Acronis costs a few bucks and for just under 50 I can get a 500GB laptop HDD. For about 70 I can get USB 1TB HDDs (WD or Toshiba models.)

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Yeah but 5-10 discs...
by Oldartq / October 12, 2015 9:08 AM PDT

is a lot cheaper than a Hdd. Actually I didn't even know using discs was possible. I have always use Hdd.

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It only took
by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 9:15 AM PDT
In reply to: Yeah but 5-10 discs...

5 disc's on several comps for me but, it depends on how much you have on the HDD.
These disc's work great and have save mine and others butts a lot of times

Just sayin'

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Recovery media here is now 2 DVDs
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / October 12, 2015 9:22 AM PDT
In reply to: It only took

We can't guess what their current HDD use is. The usual is over 100GB so that's 20 DVDs for a full backup.

We know the Microsoft backup and restore system has been less than reliable and 20 DVDs without ANY error is only under ideal conditions.

I've lost count of how many buy bulk DVDs and make a backup on an older DVDRW and then explode as they try to restore. Angry

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by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 9:32 AM PDT

I have never run into that situation though .
It only makes sense to me to create the image disc's though as I have seen HDD's fail also and unless your'e forgetting, You trained me to have more than 1 backup plan.

Don't forget to create a Repair disc as well

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I really don't have too much faith in using...
by Oldartq / October 12, 2015 11:22 AM PDT
In reply to: True

repair disc. I was thinking more of reinstall if that's possible or maybe I have to get that from the computer manufacturer?

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This is
by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 12:01 PM PDT

A complete image and will do exactly what you want .
It will only work on the computer you created the image from.

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I always make the recovery DVDs w/new PCs, then...
by wpgwpg / October 12, 2015 9:37 AM PDT

...make automatic backups every few hours to a hard drive. It takes no human intervention, and completes backing up about 120 GB on my C: drive to an external USB 3 drive in about 15 minutes. That way I always have a very current full system backup. If you backup to discs, there's no practical way you would be able to keep so current. And like Bob says, discs aren't as reliable as hard drives. When I can buy a 3 TB hard drive for $80, I can't imagine using discs for backup.

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Not to do daily or weekly backups
by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 9:42 AM PDT

That's not what we're talking about.
Of course make your backups on another HDD BUT, always have a set of image disc's so you don't have to start off fresh with a new install

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What's the advantage of so many discs?
by wpgwpg / October 12, 2015 9:59 AM PDT

Like Bob says, it's never been more than 3 DVDs for me (he said 2, but my DELL with 7 Pro took 3 I think), not 5 or more. If you make discs after installing your applications & data, how often do you do that? As long as you keep 2 or more system images on separate hard drives, you shouldn't need to make full system backups to discs.

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This would be a quick fix
by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 10:11 AM PDT

for a person that installs Win 10 and wanted to revert back to 7 with no hassles if a person has no other HDD's or feels like buying one.
I've done it several times now for others.
Sometimes reverting back leaves unwanted residuals that are a PITA to fix.

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Recovery dvd,
by Oldartq / October 12, 2015 11:26 AM PDT

would that be use like a install disc or the original Hdd. must be still in good condition?

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That's what I use tho I've never had to use it...
by wpgwpg / October 12, 2015 11:38 AM PDT
In reply to: Recovery dvd,

...because I have multiple full system backups. The advantage of that over starting from scratch with a standard Windows disc is that it has the drivers and tweaks the manufacturer makes for your particular computer.

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by itsdigger / October 12, 2015 11:56 AM PDT
In reply to: Recovery dvd,

or if you install a new HDD.
This is a complete image of everything that's on the computer.

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I was just thinking about the operating system and not...
by Oldartq / October 12, 2015 11:13 AM PDT
In reply to: It only took

data or applications.

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Re: cloned HD
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 11, 2015 12:52 PM PDT

The only possible issue can be that Microsoft invalidates your Windows 7 license after a month if you don't go back from within Windows 10 also. So first go back that way. If all is fine, it's fine. If not (what happens occasionally) go back to the clone, but reaiise your latest documents and such won't be on that clone, so you must copy them later from the still existing Windows 10 drive or your backup.

Also, if "after a while" turns out to be "after more than a month", you risk that your Windows 7 is considered unactivated.


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cloned HD
by jay1028 / October 12, 2015 10:57 AM PDT
In reply to: Re: cloned HD

Thanks for eveyone's replies..As per itsdigger , I don't want any junk left over from the upgrade process. And Kees_B, I will make sure that I don't exceed 30 days on the win10 upgrade. I used Acronis to clone the HD and it worked fine. Laptop never knew the difference.

Everyone else concerning a disk image: I have always used Acronis and Macrium for disk images as soon as the computer is fresh from the factory. Especially since they don't give us reinstallation disks anymore. I use two methods to make images because one time, one of the images failed and didn't work. Don't remember which it was. When a win7 install is new, it only took 15gb for a disk image of the OS on C partition. I keep those disk images on a separate partition for a really fast restore and also on two separate external usb HDs.

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Windows 7 might fail to activate
by mysery126 / October 11, 2015 11:36 PM PDT

Windows 7 might fail to activate if you do not roll back to windows 7 in a month.

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Microsoft only removes the Windows.old
by orlbuckeye / October 12, 2015 6:19 AM PDT

it doesn't deactivate. After the 30 days you have to use your Windows 7 restore disks. I did this with the Technical preview in a way. My backup laptop I upgraded the 128 GB SSD to a 256 SSD a few years ago. Well when they technical preview came out I removed the 256 SSD with WIndows 7 and put the 128 GB back in a formatted with the Technical Preview. I'm continuing to use the smaller drive and the Insider program. I will eventually put the drive back in and upgraded it before the year of the free upgrade expires.

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