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by stewart norrie / March 26, 2006 2:05 AM PST

All my Satellite hi-def channels look great But Discovery h,d. theater, cnet and cnet movie channels are eyepopping have a nice weekend stewart

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by stewart norrie / March 26, 2006 7:21 AM PST

Will componit vidio cables pass thru a 1080i or 108p signel or would you have to use a d.v.i. or h.d.m.i. interface cable.Also some of you folks say that componit vidio gives you a perfect picture and some say h.d.m.i. is better. In my case I had a horrible picture from my d.v.d. player and dish 811 system using componit cables until a switched over to a h.d.m.i. set up

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Both questions. . .
by Coryphaeus / March 26, 2006 10:38 AM PST

Don't look for -P via broadcast. Too much bandwidth requirements.

You'll need digital for -P, either DVI or HDMI.

Just a comment. DVD is 480. I get a much better picture via satellite than DVD because satellite is 1080 or 720 and DVD is 480.

I've posted my comparison with DVI/HDMI vs. component. I'm not impressed and I have money in my pocket; I didn't buy the high dollar digital cables.

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correct, theres too much bandwidth limitations
by masterying01 / March 26, 2006 11:43 AM PST

as for component cables getting u 1080i or will not happen. 1080i and 1080p will not happen for a majority of tv's with only dvi either due to copy right protection mumbo jumbo.

basically (to the best of my knowledge), hdmi version version 1.30 (the one that can send 1080p signals), will have a very "uptight" signal going through it and a hdmi to dvi cable will not get u a picture cause dvi cables are not advanced enough for some of the copy right protection. theres a lot mroe that goes into it, but i forgot it so i couldnt say much more.

but in reality, you need not to worry about it with your toshiba tv. for shts and giggles...special preorder a HD dvd player from best buy (available now)...sign up for 2 weeks of free netflix, and rent some HD DVD's from them and see for yourself. 30 return policy for the HD DVD player (with no restocking fee) means you can return it at anytime within 30 days. 2 week free netflix means you can test out what HD DVD will look like without committing to the format.

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by stewart norrie / March 28, 2006 5:35 AM PST

I dont think anyone is going to take the plunge until the dust settles on the format war. and movies are available for rent I do know that if the picture quality would be as good as lets say Discovery h.d. theater it would be awsome have a nice rainny day stewart

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speaking of discover hd
by masterying01 / March 28, 2006 6:49 PM PST

have you seen those deep sea specials on discovery channel in hd? its CRAZY.

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Bandwidth madness!!!
by jcrobso / March 28, 2006 2:54 AM PST

Yes it has been stated many many times the bandwidth for 1080p/30 or 1080p/60 is astrominical!!!!! NO one will broadcast it.
Lots of info HERE!
HD DVDs/Blue ray will be 1080p/24.
Toshiba has thier HD DVD player at $499 list.
I'm still going to wait for the dust to settle.
To get the full HD of the formats you will have to use HDMI beacuse of the copy protection bull feathers. John

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I believe..
by kena10 / March 28, 2006 2:10 PM PST

That Blu-Ray is going to come up on top. Seeing as how all the major movie studios and even the porn industry have decided to back this format, poor toshiba is going to be left out in the dark.

I also have heard the same thing with regards to the new format. The only way one will be able to get either 1080i or 1080p out of their new DVD players (be it HD-DVD or BD) would be through the HDMI port. The players will be outfitted with the various other connections (depending on brands, models, etc) and will allow the consumer to watch the new format in an downconverted format because of piracy concerns.

I also wish that cable companies would get off their lazy behinds and revamp their infrastructure so they're able to offer their entire programming in either HD or digital so customers would be able to decide what kind of programming they would want to have. For those who can't afford an hdtv set and wish to keep heir digital cable, that option would still be available.

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JB you got that rite
by stewart norrie / March 29, 2006 2:08 AM PST
In reply to: I believe..

At least broadcast there non- hi-def channels in a digital format Iam going to cancel H.B.O. because I only have one channel in hi-def the others are horrible 4X3 ugly anolog and in mono sound I never watch them stewart

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For HD, cost is a huge stumbling block
by Dan Filice / March 29, 2006 2:33 AM PST
In reply to: JB you got that rite

Broadcasters are stumbling along the HD path, but cost is a huge concern. They just can't throw away 80 years of existing TV technology (millions and millions of dollars worth) and start producing everything in HD. For much of the TV shows, they do shoot in HD, or shoot in 16:9, then in post-produciton they either have an original HD content that is broadcast simultaneously in SD or they create SD content n 16:9 and up-res to HD for their HD channels. When a single existing broadcast tape deck cost $60K to $100K, HD isn't something that can be changed by flipping a light switch.

Stewart...your HBO has only one HD channel? My cable service gives me 15 HBO/Cinemax channels and I have at least 5 in HD. Time to give up satellite I guess.

Dan Happy

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by stewart norrie / March 29, 2006 4:08 AM PST

Actually the only show I watch on h.b.o. is Bill Mayer everything else is crappy movies that run over and over. The only reason I have H.B.O is my roomate pays for it. Also I have the option of comcast but thay charge about 35% more for the same service The best h.d. programming is the h.d. package and VOOM have a nice rainey day I havent seen the sun for over a month and am going nuts stewart

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by Dan Filice / March 29, 2006 4:48 AM PST


I thought VOOM went out of business. Maybe I just didn't hear correctly. I agree about having mostly movies on HBO, but I love their series (Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, etc,) and their specials (comedy) which are all in HD. The good thing about the movies is being able to at least hook up the audio to the receiver via optical and get somewhat of a 5.1 surround. I don't think it's anywhere as good as the audio from a DVD though. I mainly watch DVDs for movies, but on occassion I'll see something on HBO that's decent. I think I watch DiscoveryHD more than any HD channel. The WORST excuse for HD is TNT-HD. Trying to watch X-Files on TNT-HD is a joke. The shows are so time-compress for add'l commercial time the horizontal motion skips. They do the same for their non-HD channel. In fact, ALL programming on network re-run and cable is time-compressed. While I'm on my soapbox and complaining, the audio quality of HD sports on ABC, TNT, CBS is absolutely horrible. I can't even hear the play-by-play announcers because the audience and music so overpowers the commentators. But the picture is beautiful.

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by stewart norrie / March 29, 2006 4:59 AM PST
In reply to: VOOM?

Yess I get 5 VOOM channels for $5.00 a month dish had a special at the time. I like RAVE 24 hours a day of good old rock and roll in 5.1. and hi-def they also have the news ,equator extreme sport, monster, and gung fue opps I guess thats six Also rented KING KONG LAST NITE. cant wait till this hi.def d.v.d. war ends I would be the first in line to buy one have a nice day pal stewart

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by stewart norrie / March 29, 2006 12:44 PM PST
In reply to: JB you got that rite

They told me in fact they are broadcasting both there channels in 1080I So my feble mind tells me that t,n,t, is 720 and cnet is 1080P and the difference in picture is unbelievableI believe Discovery h.d. theater is broadcasting in 1080I also

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Stewart: "Bad TV Picture 101"
by Dan Filice / March 30, 2006 2:05 AM PST

Stewart, there are many reasons why some stations look better than others. Stations that broadcast in "True" HD, both 720p and 1080i, have excellent picture. The key word here is "True." Many stations that have the "HD" badge take a lot of existing "crap" and upres it to HD. The old saying is very true here: "Crap in, crap out." TNT stuff looks horrible (to me) because they take standard-def material, upres it, and they compress the hell out of it to make an additional 5+ minutes of commercial time every hour. All commercial channels do time-compression on most of their programming. Basically, they take a 60 minute program and they speed it up by 10 to 15%, then they process the audio so the tone and pitch is corrected back to "normal". But the "speed-up" process technically drops frames every so often instead of making everything run in fast-motion. That's how they get an extra 5+ minutes of commercial time for a 60 minute show. Watch horizontal motion on most cable programs or movies. You can see skipping or jumping of the action. This is caused by the dropped video frames.

Then there is the compression that our satellite or cable companies do to squeeze the bandwidth so it can be easily broadcast. There can be separate compression for different channels, which is why some stations look worse than others. Keep in mind that the more stations that need airspace, the more compression we'll need to fit them into the limited bandwidth. This will be a real issue as more HD channels hit the airwaves.

So you see, there are many factors involved in whether we see a good or bad picture on our TV. If you watch the David Letterman or The Tonight Show, both look excellent. DiscoveryHD looks great as does most PBS HD programs. All of these shows originate in "True" HD. Some are 720 and some are 1080, but all look great.

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