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by Mark5019 / May 2, 2006 10:31 PM PDT

The anti-American, leftist organization known as Amnesty International is on our case again today. They've released a report today that says torture and inhumane treatment are widespread in our prisons abroad. Places like Afghanistan, Iraq, ,Cuba and so on. The report, 47 pages all, is filled with such bold statements as: "Evidence continues to emerge of widespread torture and other cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of detainees held in U.S. custody."

Then there's this statement from Curt Goering, Amnesty's Senior Deputy Director-General: "The U.S. government is not only failing to take steps to eradicate torture, it is actually creating a climate in which torture and other ill-treatment can flourish." My...what evil people we are! The mainstream media is going to run with this big-time today...you'll see it as part of the cable network's top stories.

First of all ... let's consider their definition of "torture." All you really need to know is that these people have stated in the past that the act of force-feeding someone who is trying to kill themselves through a hunger strike is "torture." 'Nuff said.

So what's the problem? Well, there isn't one. For the sake of argument, let's just grant Amnesty their premise...which is that the United States is torturing people. According to them, we are torturing these people at prisons located in foreign countries. And just who are these people? That's where Amnesty gets it wrong.

The people we are torturing are terrorists. They are suspects in the War On Terror, enemies of the state. They are not the soldiers of any organized army and therefore are afforded no protections under the Geneva Convention. For all intents and purposes, they are spies.


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Cry wolf often enough, and your legitimate messages get
by Kiddpeat / May 2, 2006 10:53 PM PDT

ignored. It seems to be an irresistable temptation for some folks who don't seem to have thought through the consequences. Or, have they?

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definition of "torture."
by JP Bill / May 2, 2006 11:36 PM PDT

I've asked you this before

What could anyone do to a "prisoner" in Iraq, that YOU would consider torture?

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(NT) (NT) Make him listen to Britney Spears 24/7.
by EdH / May 3, 2006 12:28 AM PDT
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but, how would we know it's Britney Spears?
by Kiddpeat / May 3, 2006 11:21 AM PDT

Hasn't she been known to lip synch?

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well see its this way
by Mark5019 / May 3, 2006 1:28 AM PDT

id do anything to get info there subhumans
they kill indescrimatly they get no easy going
and if you dont like my views tough

ask the people who die from these "peacefull" people

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by Rolway / May 2, 2006 11:51 PM PDT
"The people we are torturing are terrorists. They are suspects in the War On Terror, enemies of the state. They are not the soldiers of any organized army and therefore are afforded no protections under the Geneva Convention. For all intents and purposes, they are spies."

Just shoot them and be done with it.

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Just shoot them and be done with it
by JP Bill / May 3, 2006 12:01 AM PDT

They could wait until they are in jail and make sure they are not "just civilians"

US military probes Iraq killings

US military investigators have flown to Iraq to study reports that marines shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children.

The incident is said to have happened in Haditha on 19 November 2005.

The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast was disproved by an earlier investigation.

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(NT) (NT) Are'nt we talking about ones already proven as such.
by Rolway / May 3, 2006 12:29 AM PDT
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by JP Bill / May 3, 2006 12:42 AM PDT

Some/many were in jail because someone ''got some money'' (paid informant) to ''point out'' people that were/might be terrorists/spies.

They are letting people out all the time, so some of them obviously were'nt terrorists.

Perhaps they promised to stop terrorising.

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Do you have a point
by dirtyrich / May 3, 2006 7:03 AM PDT

the only possible one is that the military is honest in investigating itself. There's a situationw here troops might have killed innocent civilians, and the military is investigating. They could have just accepted the original explanation and swept it under the rug, but they didn't.

Your post supports the military's honesty and effectiveness dealing with its troops. Yet, the post has little to do with the discussion at hand.

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military's honesty and effectiveness dealing with its troops
by JP Bill / May 3, 2006 10:21 AM PDT
In reply to: Do you have a point

It's too late to do the right thing now

After innocent people are dead.

The connection is "just shoot'em"

That's what they did.

That's what (George?) Rolway recommended.

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some die so many may live
by Mark5019 / May 3, 2006 10:33 AM PDT

if they use force to get info so what

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(NT) (NT) Unless it's you or your loved ones?
by Diana Forum moderator / May 4, 2006 11:16 AM PDT
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my loved ones dont
by Mark5019 / May 4, 2006 11:47 AM PDT

carry guns/or behave in a way to draw atraction.do yours?

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George was speaking of confirmed
by dirtyrich / May 3, 2006 11:03 AM PDT

terrorists... not random people found on the street. It may seem hard to believe, but back in the day, governments executed those who were dedicated to destroying them. Now we give them a big hug and appreciate them for their different point of view.
But again, nice try to draw the conversation in a completely different direction.

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(NT) (NT) Didn't sound like it
by Diana Forum moderator / May 4, 2006 11:17 AM PDT
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I'm sorry
by dirtyrich / May 4, 2006 11:35 AM PDT

when George quoted "The people we are torturing are terrorists" I thought he was speaking of, well, terrorists. My bad.

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Your position is supported by the Geneva Convention, BTW.
by Paul C / May 4, 2006 10:19 AM PDT

It's too bad we have become too concerned with appearances, isn't it?

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(NT) (NT) and its the death of troops
by Mark5019 / May 4, 2006 10:21 AM PDT
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Perhaps tomorrow and Monday
by JP Bill / May 4, 2006 4:47 AM PDT

There will be some answers

GENEVA (AP) ? The United States comes under official UN grilling for the first time Friday over its compliance with the global ban on torture, with questions focusing on allegations of secret CIA prisons and flights transferring terror suspects for possible torture in other countries.

The UN Committee Against Torture, the global body?s watchdog for a 22-year-old treaty forbidding prisoner abuse, will quiz U.S. officials on a series of issues ranging from Washington?s interpretation of the absolute ban on torture to its interrogation methods in prisons such as Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

The United States, like the 140 other countries that have signed the Convention Against Torture, must submit reports to the committee to show it is applying the rules.

Of course, if there is "no such thing" as torture, it doesn't matter what anyone discovers.

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and again its the un
by Mark5019 / May 4, 2006 6:43 AM PDT

how is the un doing in dufar?(sp) seems like its smoke screen

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If Amnesty International doesn't like...
by caktus / May 4, 2006 10:11 AM PDT

a free and safe place to live there are a lot of places they can go. One particular place quickly come to mind.

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