Why isn't this guy running our country?

People are having an intelligent debate.

But even worse,you ask someone else to do it

molly coddling the crimminal,on the contrary.

Most people are very naive when it comes to the world.The world is a business and the legal system does rob people.They do it with tickets.People work hard for their money,and yet has to hand it over to those thieves for some damn ticket.

As far as molly coddling,i don't know anyone more conservative then myself.If someone attacks,kills,and robs them,i don't agree with how the legal system handles it.They should be horse whipped,then a rope thrown over a tree branch.I don't believe in molly coddling crimminals,i just don't feel that a person should be thrown in a cage just cause of some damn ticket,for the very reason for the ticket is to rob you.

I don't understand how you interpreted my post as molly coddling.

Tom

P.S and whats up with the fed court saying that there has to be cable in jails.

When you are rolling the dice, the house always wins.

so i guess i'm robbing myself if someone points a gun in my face.

A thief isn't a person who commits crimes against the person of another, often don't place anyone in personal danger. A robber is an older word similar to use of "mugger" today, who is willing to place another in danger to take something of worth from them. Most thieves are opportunist, most robbers are antagonistic intending to deliberately induce fear. The word "robbed" has been misused in modern language usage. A person who had his home "burgled" often will claim he was "robbed" but that's actually not the proper usage of the word. Maybe it stems from earlier efforts to make minor crimes seem to be worse than they were in order to justify seeking stronger action against the thief.

Some people are unable to make those distinctions and in their fanatical tendencies to show how "tough on crime" they can be instead of "molly coddling" all criminals, they flip the switch and want to torment all offenders without regard to the degree of offense. Unfortunately too many of these have been moving higher up in the legal system. I think most people are less concerned with crimes people do to themselves, such as illegal drug usage, but more concerned with crimes committed against other persons and property. Even then we need to balance crimes against property as being less than crimes against persons. It's too bad we incarcerate them all in the same places too often. It's good in some places they are making divisions in the population of jails based on the severity of the crime.

such as paper crimes? Identity theft can be catagorized as such, James, but the destruction to the PERSON is as much of an assault to recover from as a personal physical attack. How about computer hackers? That's a 'paper' type crime but causes massive destruction as well. If somebody was a victim of identity theft and spent years trying to get it sorted out to the point that they finally give up and commit suicide, would the thief then be charged with murder since they were directly the cause of that depression that led to suicide?

Where do you draw the line on where the balance should be with defining between the two types of crimes of property vs person?

TONI

Was violence committed against the person of another? Was violence threatened against the person of another?
If not, then it is a lesser crime, even if it involved theft of everything that person owned.

the next time some hacker brings down their website....or he gets dragged into court for the lesser crime of infringement....or the next time some kid gets arrested for downloading music illegally. None of these crimes involved physically battering or harming a person, but they were heavy hitting crimes none-the-less with massive consequences, including jail time if that's what the law will allow and decides on.

And the person enjoying that joint....could easily have a bad reaction and if driving, have his/her judgment impaired and is an accident just waiting to happen. He/She may have been saved from that consequence by being arrested ahead of time for possession instead.

TONI

Talked to a friends grandson while visiting not to long ago who just returned from 18 months in Texas prisons. His crime was driving while intoxicated, caught twice, and then probation violation by shoplifting. He never injured or harmed anyone. He was sent to 5 different prisons during his stay. One was a very high end criminal prison which had people for violent murder & rape. Another was medium security which also had some for murder & rape. His later stay was in a low security prison, and his last few weeks was still in another prison that housed mostly people that were waiting to be released and was the safest place he stayed. In one prison, there was a racial riot where he hid and did not get injured. He along with other less violent prisoners were sent to a lower security prison after that.

The kid from talking to him will never again violate the law and go to prison after his experiences. He also said that.

...or your grandson, would you want him to face that danger for what he did? I wouldn't, and many other parents feel the same. Many of those parents, doing what they can to protect their children against a justice system gone mad at times will help their children and those caught then face aiding and abetting a fugitive. I don't blame those parents not wanting to see any of their children incarcerated for a "soft" crime along with those in jail for "hard" crimes. In such instances it's the system that is wrong and should be considered the greater criminal.

I have an easy way of dealing with parking tickets. I never get them. I make it a practice to deliberately avoid any areas that have parking meters. Just may way of "sticking it to the man". The supposed need of parking meters is due to poor planning on the part of the authorities who then want to further tax others for THEIR lack of foresight, and then to fine them for more excess when they fail to collect on their ill gotten gains. If parking meters were outlawed, then communities which use them would have to find more inventive and perhaps better ways to provide adequate parking instead. When I MUST go to Baltimore or DC, I always use a private parking garage instead. I'd rather pay a half day or full day rate than be a meter monkey for the city.

When I lived in Phoeniz some years back they had a large indoor jail which housed city and county people. The current Sheriff augmented the jail establishing a tent jail and I feel sure they also use the indoor jail. He is a County Sheriff and runs county jails. Parking tickets are run by the city and yes, for making money, but on occasion to protect property. To get people to pay they threaten jail, sometimes making a yearly roundup of the slackers and throw them in jail. I would think they would be in the city/county building under city police control, not the Sheriff. 'Course very small towns depend on the Sheriff, but even the small towns with one or two meters or 'no parking' in Texas have some sort of small jail, but never heard of anyone being put in jail in a small town for a parking ticket as everyone knows everyone.

I do not believe parking ticket violators deserve the 'tent jail' treatment. Anyhow they are normally out the same day or as soon as they can get the cash to pay the tickets.

Of note is that ''parking tickets'' and ''minor traffic violations'' are not counted when applying for a Texas Concealed Weapon License, which has some of the most demanding requirements in the nation.

I used parking tickets as an analogy to make a point.

Point being,law abaiding citizens should not be thrown in jail for minor infractions.Jails are for crimminals,people who attack,murder,steal,and so on,not cause someone gets a damn ticket.According to Toni no matter what you do,you go to jail.littering is against the law,well now,how would Toni feel if she threw a piece of paper on the ground(technically thats against the law)and now to the chain gang you go.That is absolutly insane,absurd,and off the deep end

Tom

keep anyone in their jails more than over night, They transport all prisoners to the county jail. The cities all pay the county for the cost.

large indoor jail for use in addition to the Tent jail?
I would assume the US Feds Border Patrol would have the illegal aliens housed in the indoor jail, although I would think the Tent jail would give the aliens a good reason not to return.

is still on Madison in downtown, I haven't heard anything about where they are housing the illegals, But they are probably in the tents as the jail is always crowded. The green balogna should be enough to keep them at home

of even more illegal immigrants marching in protest about how they just want to be law-abiding citizens (of Mexico) but live and work in the USA in order to get the bennies our own people can't get anymore.

If this is such a crappy place to live according to the rest of the world's opinion, why are they breaking the law and clamoring to get here? And then not even bother to learn our language or accept the very people who have let them sneak in here? Instead, they are expecting to change the USA into what THEY want it to be without contributing a darn thing to what they came here for in the first place.

What a crock...especially when you consider what somebody else posted recently....Mexico has their OWN southern border patrolled and blocked from illegals entering Mexico from tht direction. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I wouldn't care one whit and would gladly help pay for it if the USA built a great wall of China across our entire southern border....forget fencing.

TONI

Theodore Roosevelt 1907 said this and i agree with it

> "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
>here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
>shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
>outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
>birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in
>every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no
>divided allegiance here. Any man who says he i s an American, but something
>else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the
>American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
>English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
>loyalty to the American people."
>
> Theodore Roosevelt 1907

what the qoute says is good

We read about him every so often in our newspaper.

The only thing about his posse catching illegal immigrants, is that they may not spend much time or any in his tent jail. Don't know how many hours/days they have to turn them over to the Federal Immigration Patrol, or if there is agreements for the Sheriff to temporarily house them in the non-tent jail.
Perhaps the Sheriff's tent jail would discourage repeated crossing of the border.

these people are in county jail not prison.

you read, but educating criminals doesn't do anything but make a criminal smarter.....and stats have proven that most become repeat offenders, DK. If they were interested in having an education in the first place, they would have already done it. Should they all be up for Pulitzers just because they finally learn how to read a law book or the bible as a reason to worm their way back out from behind the cage?

Kinda like giving a drunk coffee....it doesn't sober them up, it just makes a wide awake drunk.

If we QUIT looking out for criminal's right and giving them perks for being locked up, DK, maybe the majority of them would figure out that the punishment really DOES fit the crime.

I can tell that there will be only a handful of people here in SE glad to see me back. lol

TONI