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Question

Why is Windows 10 such a piece of crap?

Jun 14, 2018 10:00PM PDT

I hate Windows 10. I have had numerous problems with it, but it won't let me go back to 8. It's been out for some time now. Why is Windows 10 such a piece of crap? I use my laptop for business, and I have lost hours of productivity because Windows 10 is such a piece of crap.

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W10
Jun 15, 2018 10:59AM PDT
"Why is Windows 10 such a piece of crap? I use my laptop for business, and I have lost hours of productivity because Windows 10 is such a piece of crap."

Because it's not Linux. Does this business productivity require specialized "windows only" software?
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Re: Windows 10
Jun 15, 2018 1:16AM PDT

Why not go back to factory conditions (Windows 8 ) from the recovery disks? Or to the latest image backup you made from Windows 8?
Or didn't you make those disks and backups? You can't blame Microsoft for that.

Although there are people that prefer Windows 7 above Windows 10, hardly anybody prefers Windows 8.1 above Windows 10. You're an exception. What are your objections to it?

Post was last edited on June 15, 2018 1:19 AM PDT

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Because...
Jun 15, 2018 2:17PM PDT

Hey, I'm just a freelance writer who has never had a problem until Windows 10. So no, I did not make back-up disks. I've never needed to. Now, every time 10 does an update my touchpad stops working. That wastes my time and hurts my productivity, costing me money. It's downloaded Edge, which I don't want and can't delete. Things like that. I don't like it when an OS screws up my computer and downloads things I don't want and then doesn't allow my to be in charge of my own laptop. To me, that's the behavior of malware. I see the web littered with people complaining about 10, yet no-one here has a problem? Odd...

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It's clear some have problems.
Jun 15, 2018 2:22PM PDT

Backups are not optional in my view. The person that screams the loudest has been one that never had backups and lost it all.

Hard disks, PCs fail without notice and now you will encounter issues like touchpads.

Tip: I've never found touchpads to rival using a mouse so I guess that's why in the 100 laptops at the office we never see the issue. We might use the pad for a bit then pull out a mouse to be more productive.

I am running into folk that demand that PCs require no backups. It's going to be interesting to see what they think about PCs over time.

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Well..
Jun 15, 2018 3:07PM PDT

I back up all my work to a remote drive and the cloud, but not all my applications and OS. Frankly, never thought about it because in 15 years, I've never needed to. Lesson learned. But that doesn't help me now.

As someone who needs to be mobile, I've learned to be quite proficient with a touchpad and never use a mouse. I probably have one in the bottom of a drawer somewhere covered in dust... There are quite a few Windows 10 users who use touchpads. But Microsoft is too busy working on forcing unwanted software upon me to fix the problem that thousands of users experience using their product. I've never been a big fan of Apple, but my wife and kids all use their products without problems. Maybe it's time.

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Here's a known thing.
Jun 15, 2018 3:19PM PDT

Microsoft didn't make most PCs. The only time we can use Microsoft's driver update is on Microsoft Surface machines. That's it. For all others my advice is to disable Microsoft's driver update to avoid driver hell which has been with us for decades.

Even back to DOS days I helped so many getting their sound cards, mice, CD players and more to work... in DOS. Not much has changed and consumers do not want to deal with drivers. It's that simple but here we are decades later and if you only had a touchpad issue that's one of the milder things to fix. I fix this one weekly for others (our office machines either just work or the office worker uses the mouse.)

For me it's no big deal to find the laptop maker, grab the maker's touchpad driver, turn off Microsoft's driver update feature and install the driver.

But for consumers this can be them paying hundreds to service folk. Let's face it, Windows machines are not consumer friendly. But neither are cars.

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Yes
Sep 5, 2019 9:58AM PDT

I remember having to deal with IRQ setting. We haven't had to work about that in years.

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remember the jumpers?
Sep 5, 2019 1:47PM PDT

On the motherboards back then? What a pain to get them all correct.

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Thank you R. Proffitt - you are a microsoft snob
Jun 16, 2018 3:56AM PDT

Thank you R. Proffitt for your typical snobby reply. Blame the user. Are you a *microsoft insider* or something? Surprised you didn't suggest he run sfc/scannow.

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Thank You
Jun 16, 2018 5:56AM PDT

I have upgraded my 3 laptops and my tower all through win 7 to the latest win10. I live in a 55 + community and I have upgraded more than 10 of my friends computers. There has not been one problem on any of them. Why Because I make sure the units are fully ready for upgrading.
What I see about you and other posters is an attitude problem. You want everything presented to you on a silever platter and when it isn't you want to blame everyone but your self. Just my observation. But what do I know I am only 85 years young.

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No. No...no.... no no no
Sep 23, 2018 9:52PM PDT

If I bought a brand new Prius for drag racing, but only ended up using the car to sit in, I'd probably be content with how the car is performing for me too. Windows 10 was made for the type of person that needs everything decided for them.

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Automotive analogy
Aug 21, 2020 11:01PM PDT

Using an old windows XP workstation laptop was like driving a smooth, comfortable, well made luxury car. Using a laptop with windows 10 is like driving some kind of home made quirky over powered hot rod that is unpredictable, handles like crap and has you stopping all the time to check system bugs in the motor and electrical system that interfere with proper operation.

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Windows 10 Jalopy
Sep 10, 2020 2:16AM PDT

I get so sick and tired of this *** hole windows 10 causing my compositions to vanish for no reason; next to impossible to retrieve. Cursor is constantly jumping to another line. The damn web pages will not even stay open without jumping somewhere else. Word sucks / complex compared to old versions.

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Word is not Windows.
Sep 10, 2020 7:23AM PDT

And the jumping cursor is indicative of other issues that you fix because it can follow you to other OSes.

At the office we have some 100 laptops now and not one with your issues.

-> But let's fix that Word issue. Go get LibreOffice (I use Ninite.com to get mine) and bingo. A very nice Word alternative for free.

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or something less intense is AbiWord
Sep 10, 2020 4:03PM PDT
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Uh Oh!
Sep 10, 2020 4:06PM PDT
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Most versions of Linux and Windows
Sep 10, 2020 4:39PM PDT

Are not supported yet we still use them. Maybe the last version that worked is good enough.

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Windows 10 is fine if you just let MS have its way with you!
Sep 12, 2019 1:47PM PDT

If you mostly just use the internet for searches and reading, and are not a power user, and agree to use everything Microsoft and let Windows do everything for you - much like Apple, which I guess is the idea - then W10 will probably work for you...

That is, until it does a major update that your particular computer doesn't like, like happened to me, and then your computer breaks. Then we'll see if you have an attitude problem, too...

If you know computers and have preferences as to what programs you use and how you organize things and what services you use, then W10 is a total piece of crap.

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Yes, customers *are* entitled to competently made produc
Sep 6, 2020 1:49PM PDT

Quote: "What I see about you and other posters is an attitude problem. You want everything presented to you on a silever platter and when it isn't you want to blame everyone but your self."
He's not to blame; he didn't write the OS, Microsoft did. And of course he wants the system running competently without having to troubleshoot it -- that's what he paid for.
Incidentally... 85 years younger than what? Are you aging backward like Benjamin Button?

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I thought Microsoft was the problem.
Jun 16, 2018 8:48AM PDT

I agreed with you that Microsoft doesn't quite get it. My example of them not getting it was a long time back when I went to Microsoft Redmond's campus for a seminar. I had two things I wanted to share since I thought Microsoft would want to look into this.

1. A CD that when put into the PC would cause the PC to lock up. I didn't know why, I just thought it showed a bug.

2. A jpeg file that when copied to the desktop would render that user's account dead. Even in safe mode until the file was deleted.

I waited my turn to meet with a couple of Microsoft engineers (lucky me!) and their response told me all I needed to know about Microsoft. maybe you can figure it out too. The engineers answer to these issues was "Don't do that."

Microsoft didn't consider things that we do as a bug but user error.

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Thank you.
Sep 24, 2018 10:29AM PDT

I've also been called an Apple elite so I feel like I'm on a Twister game board with one foot in Microsoft, the other in Apple, one hand in Android and the other in Linux territory. I use them all and none are perfect.

That said I was on the team to migrate offices and our home to all W10. It went very well and the amount of support time we spend has dropped considerably. We're not going back and we're not giving up our Linux, Apple, iOS and Android machines either.

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LOL
Sep 1, 2020 8:06AM PDT

Microsoft is so garbage, that is their answer for everything. Run sfc /scannow and it might work. Devil

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Hey, that was an improvement over...
Sep 7, 2020 11:21AM PDT

Format and reinstall windows. Back in win95 to XP days I had two basic DOS programs I wrote that would backup all the .inf files and some others, and the second one would write them back to the same places when windows messed up, and it worked for most problems. That was my personal "restore" program. Later windows created a Restore program which did much the same. However, since 2013 I switched over exclusively to a Linux distro, and been a lot happier for it. The only windows "experience" I suffer anymore is keeping my wife's "work at home" computer which needs some windows specific programs required in her work for Maryland's Dept of Labor.

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Oh, come on, get serious
Oct 31, 2018 7:26PM PDT

Oh come on. This person is saying they don't find it reasonable to have to restore the entire operating system on your computer to maintain productivity. I'd say that's a pretty reasonable statement. Whether they did backup disks or not, that's a fairly unproductive thing to have to do. And, with the way Windows 10 screws things up on an almost weekly basis, it would be ridiculous to have to restore your entire operating system every few days.

This harkens back to the days of the jokes about 'If Microsoft made a car...' We'd have to stop every few miles, remove the engine and replace it - and for some reason we'd accept that.

Microsoft has done so many 'user hostile' thing with Windows 10 it's beyond the pale. Not that Apple is much better, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

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But the reason we have to
Sep 5, 2019 10:01AM PDT

restore is more about the applications then WIndows itself.

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The reason we have to restore IS Windows itself
Sep 12, 2019 1:59PM PDT

I used the same programs - only much fewer - on my new Lenovo with W10 than I did with my HP with W7.

Yet after the first major Windows update, my computer completely broke. This proves it's not due to the applications, it's due to Windows 10!

Also, if W10 can't accept long-time used and well running apps/software that W7 used fine for years, how is that the apps' fault? No, keep researching. You will see that all these problems (most of them anyway) are caused by Windows 10 itself, which is a poorly made OS.

Windows 10 is the worst operating system ever created.

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Windows 10 is "user hostile" - that's the point
Sep 12, 2019 1:56PM PDT

You are absolutely right i3dgear! Windows 10 is so user hostile it wants to force you to do everything the MS way! MS services, MS programs, MS updates... and I didn't mention this in my original post but I think the reason W10 broke my computer after the last major update was because I had said no to every question they asked me as to whether I wanted MS to do this or MS to do that, or use this or that MS service or program!

So I have a theory that built Microsoft programs and services are SO embedded into the OS that if you say no to everything MS, Windows is designed to not work; in effect, saying to you, "Oh yeah? You think you can just snub us?! We'll see about that!" and BAM! POW! Next time you get an update, your computer breaks.

It sure seems that way to me. I'm a long time Windows user and proficient computer user, a power user, and I never had my computer break like it did with W10 after only 5 days of using it!

I highly suggest everyone coming here to read this - people who obviously KNOW how screwed up W10 is! - switch to Linux Mint which is just like Windows only it works and lets you do what YOU want.

The only issue with Linux is that Windows doesn't like to share your computer with it so you may, as I did, have issues with booting up after installing Linux Mint. However the Linux community will help you solve this and once you try Mint - which is FREE! and will never NAG you like Windows does! - you'll never look back.

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User Hostile that's the point !
Dec 21, 2019 9:36PM PST

I just wanted to say you are right I have had the same strange things happen to me, as if some one is there all the time, as soon as my PC's with windows 10 boot's the blue tooth comes on trying to sync with the neighbor hood people I don't even know same goes for WIFI I no longer trust this OS it's more like a trojan horse, then a PC's OS, this is indeed turn me away from Microsoft, and I've been a dedicated Microsoft man for years, Windows NT Windows 95 Windows 2000, XP, I've been here through them all, So I'm no dummy when it comes to software and Hardware issues, And let me just say, It's time to go, and get the hell away from this Tyrant as soon as you can, theirs no telling what this devious company is no UP to! Good Luck ! Wink

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I agree
Oct 18, 2020 4:00AM PDT

My win 10 seized up after I tried to fix my mic. You read that right, I wanted to fix my microphone using tools available in windows 10. Nope, PC locks up on boot, nothing works, even safe mode, and I install windows 7, as a person of my age, 15, would do. It works, had some troubles with the license, but worked it out in the end, I've also installed SP1 now and am trying to complete the updates.

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Windows 7 Help
Oct 27, 2020 2:30PM PDT

Hey, I've been having a ton of issues with getting Windows 7 to work with a license, I'd appreciate it a ton if you could walk me through how you got it working