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Re: Windows 10
Why not go back to factory conditions (Windows 8 ) from the recovery disks? Or to the latest image backup you made from Windows 8?
Or didn't you make those disks and backups? You can't blame Microsoft for that.
Although there are people that prefer Windows 7 above Windows 10, hardly anybody prefers Windows 8.1 above Windows 10. You're an exception. What are your objections to it?
Post was last edited on June 15, 2018 1:19 AM PDT
Hey, I'm just a freelance writer who has never had a problem until Windows 10. So no, I did not make back-up disks. I've never needed to. Now, every time 10 does an update my touchpad stops working. That wastes my time and hurts my productivity, costing me money. It's downloaded Edge, which I don't want and can't delete. Things like that. I don't like it when an OS screws up my computer and downloads things I don't want and then doesn't allow my to be in charge of my own laptop. To me, that's the behavior of malware. I see the web littered with people complaining about 10, yet no-one here has a problem? Odd...
It's clear some have problems.
Backups are not optional in my view. The person that screams the loudest has been one that never had backups and lost it all.
Hard disks, PCs fail without notice and now you will encounter issues like touchpads.
Tip: I've never found touchpads to rival using a mouse so I guess that's why in the 100 laptops at the office we never see the issue. We might use the pad for a bit then pull out a mouse to be more productive.
I am running into folk that demand that PCs require no backups. It's going to be interesting to see what they think about PCs over time.
I back up all my work to a remote drive and the cloud, but not all my applications and OS. Frankly, never thought about it because in 15 years, I've never needed to. Lesson learned. But that doesn't help me now.
As someone who needs to be mobile, I've learned to be quite proficient with a touchpad and never use a mouse. I probably have one in the bottom of a drawer somewhere covered in dust... There are quite a few Windows 10 users who use touchpads. But Microsoft is too busy working on forcing unwanted software upon me to fix the problem that thousands of users experience using their product. I've never been a big fan of Apple, but my wife and kids all use their products without problems. Maybe it's time.
Here's a known thing.
Microsoft didn't make most PCs. The only time we can use Microsoft's driver update is on Microsoft Surface machines. That's it. For all others my advice is to disable Microsoft's driver update to avoid driver hell which has been with us for decades.
Even back to DOS days I helped so many getting their sound cards, mice, CD players and more to work... in DOS. Not much has changed and consumers do not want to deal with drivers. It's that simple but here we are decades later and if you only had a touchpad issue that's one of the milder things to fix. I fix this one weekly for others (our office machines either just work or the office worker uses the mouse.)
For me it's no big deal to find the laptop maker, grab the maker's touchpad driver, turn off Microsoft's driver update feature and install the driver.
But for consumers this can be them paying hundreds to service folk. Let's face it, Windows machines are not consumer friendly. But neither are cars.
Thank you R. Proffitt - you are a microsoft snob
Thank you R. Proffitt for your typical snobby reply. Blame the user. Are you a *microsoft insider* or something? Surprised you didn't suggest he run sfc/scannow.
I have upgraded my 3 laptops and my tower all through win 7 to the latest win10. I live in a 55 + community and I have upgraded more than 10 of my friends computers. There has not been one problem on any of them. Why Because I make sure the units are fully ready for upgrading.
What I see about you and other posters is an attitude problem. You want everything presented to you on a silever platter and when it isn't you want to blame everyone but your self. Just my observation. But what do I know I am only 85 years young.
No. No...no.... no no no
If I bought a brand new Prius for drag racing, but only ended up using the car to sit in, I'd probably be content with how the car is performing for me too. Windows 10 was made for the type of person that needs everything decided for them.
I thought Microsoft was the problem.
I agreed with you that Microsoft doesn't quite get it. My example of them not getting it was a long time back when I went to Microsoft Redmond's campus for a seminar. I had two things I wanted to share since I thought Microsoft would want to look into this.
1. A CD that when put into the PC would cause the PC to lock up. I didn't know why, I just thought it showed a bug.
2. A jpeg file that when copied to the desktop would render that user's account dead. Even in safe mode until the file was deleted.
I waited my turn to meet with a couple of Microsoft engineers (lucky me!) and their response told me all I needed to know about Microsoft. maybe you can figure it out too. The engineers answer to these issues was "Don't do that."
Microsoft didn't consider things that we do as a bug but user error.
I've also been called an Apple elite so I feel like I'm on a Twister game board with one foot in Microsoft, the other in Apple, one hand in Android and the other in Linux territory. I use them all and none are perfect.
That said I was on the team to migrate offices and our home to all W10. It went very well and the amount of support time we spend has dropped considerably. We're not going back and we're not giving up our Linux, Apple, iOS and Android machines either.
Oh, come on, get serious
Oh come on. This person is saying they don't find it reasonable to have to restore the entire operating system on your computer to maintain productivity. I'd say that's a pretty reasonable statement. Whether they did backup disks or not, that's a fairly unproductive thing to have to do. And, with the way Windows 10 screws things up on an almost weekly basis, it would be ridiculous to have to restore your entire operating system every few days.
This harkens back to the days of the jokes about 'If Microsoft made a car...' We'd have to stop every few miles, remove the engine and replace it - and for some reason we'd accept that.
Microsoft has done so many 'user hostile' thing with Windows 10 it's beyond the pale. Not that Apple is much better, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable.
what do you use for your writing?
Install Libre Office and Abiword, see if they would be something you want. If so, then might consider a Linux distro like Mint, which also runs them. You only get updates when you request them, they all tell you much better what they are for, and you can limit the risk factor on which to take.
Edge isn't downloaded it's part of Windows 10.
Installing WIndows 7 over Windows 10
My laptop was preinstalled from the store with Windows 10 and office 365. I cannot stand either. I have the cd for Windows 7 and Office 365. I have no need for windows 10 and want to install win7. I tried to install and it comes up with device signature issues. I disabled the secure boot and then ran bcdedit.exe /set nointegritychecks on and then it allowed me to install the win7 files. When it went to reboot, it froze. How can I get rid of Windows 10?
There is no installing 7 over 10.
You do a clean install. Just wipe the drive clean and install the OS of your choice.
Wins 10 Issues
I am fed up with it because the manufacturer sold the computer as a new computer with Win 10 on it. After trying to resolve issues with Win 10, I found out that the computer had been upgraded from 8.1 to 10. The model # on the box it was in, does not match the computer model # in System Information.
I am sure the retailer didn't do the dirty deed, because there is no evidence of retailer-tampering on the box. And even though my computer is still under warranty, the manufacturer wants to charge me $99.99 to revert back to Win 8.1.
i am taking my complaints to the BBB in the city where the computer was manufactured. It might take a while to get it resolved, but I can do that.
- If the manufacturer installs Windows 10 on a new (unused) computer that he originally installed Windows 8.1 on, I think it can be argued that it's a new computer with Windows 10.
- How did you find out it had Windows 8.1 originally?
- If you bought a computer with Windows 10, why do you want to install Windows 8.1 on it? And why do you think it should be free?
By the way, there is near universal consensus that 10 is better than 8.1. It's less universal that 10 is better than 7.
Only you stop you from going back.
You use your recovery media or backups to go back. There are many users that didn't make recovery media or backups and those are going to complain just like the Windows 95 to 98 days and with each new version. Nothing new going on here.
That said, at my brother's office we moved every machine to W10 and our work supporting all these has decreased. For us this has been the best Windows ever.
Re: Windows 10
Because Windows 10 is a virus that is disguised as an operating system but it contains spyware and malware. That's why I use MX Linux. https://mxlinux.org/
What Do You Expect From a Has-Been?
Microsoft is a struggling corporation trying to ride out the nest egg of its success in the 90's. They lost the phone wars to Apple and Google, they lost the tablet wars to Apple, and they lost the app wars to Google Apps (killing Office, their last cash cow). They may 'dominate' the desktop market, but most home users opt for smartphones, tablets, and smart TV, making the PC market irrelevant. They also have a stranglehold on corporate, but even where I work, we are considering moving from Windows 7 in 2019 - hardly a money-maker for them. Most of what they spend their money on is snooping on your PC and advertising to convince people they still are worth considering. Just ditch the PC, you can find better apps on any other platform anyway.
Microsoft Track Record
Well, let's consider Microsoft's track record. From the beginning of their Inception, all they ever did was steal their ideas from other companies. The mouse, the browser, even the Disk Operating System. During the browser Wars, Microsoft was actually sued. there's a dramatic movie called Pirates of Silicon Valley, which Chronicles Microsoft and Apple's competition to rise to their current positions. Regarding the Disk Operating System, Bill Gates himself took advantage of a guy who didn't realize what he had invented. Microsoft ended up paying just $10,000 for it. One thing is certain about Microsoft, they definitely aren't honest.
I have no problems with Windows 10.
I have it on a punch of computers and we are going to it at work now.
10 is crap because it tries to imitate Mac OS.
Windows 10 has tried to emulate Mac OS. I agree it is a piece of crap when compared to Windows 7. I downloaded 10 when it first came out and many of my functions available in 7 failed. In less than 1 hour of operating 10 on my business computer I reverted to 7 again. I have a second computer that came with 10 and I am trying to come to terms with it before support for 7 is terminated. The best I can hope for is for Microsoft to see the errors of their way and let the suffering animal die an honorable death and present an new platform that actually works as well as 7.
What does Mac OS have touch screen?
Also Windows emulates iOS more than it does Mac OS.
I refuse to buy Windows 10.
I looked at Windows 10 in the store and it was so complicated that I did not even buy it.
What really infuriates me is their built-in camera that insults me by having a rectangle around my face.
I asked the salesman and learned from him that there is no way to get rid of this.
They make an excuse that "it does not show up when the picture is taken," which I do not think justifies Microsoft in degrading their customers.
The line around peoples' faces insinuates that all Microsoft users are self-centered flakes!
When I take pictures, I often focus in on the background as well as the faces and Microsoft makes this into an unrealistic and ridiculous notion.
I do not have an over-inflated ego like Microsoft seems to think I have and I refuse to put up with a square around my face. If not for this, I might have bought a Microsoft computer and tried to figure out the complicated Windows 10 even though I miss Windows 7.
I have Win 10.
And I've got no rectangle on my snaps. Sounds like an app setting. What app are you using?
Re: rectangle about face
So does my camera when it detects a face to show where the automatic focus will be. What camera app did you use in that Windows 10 demo?
My Windows 10 desktop doesn't even have a camera, so I can't reproduce your findings. And then, few people use their desktop or laptop to make pics, and few people have Windows 10 on their phone or tablet they use taking pictures, so if that's your only issue, it's hardly existant.
Luckily there's Linux for the Windows haters. It's even cheaper.
I just tried this...
on my laptop using Win10 camera app. Yes, a rectangle around the face IS there.
Answer? Use another app.
re: infuriated by rectangle around face
I prefer my laptop over my cel for taking pictures. As of now, I still have my MacApple from 2014
and a few years ago, used to make pictures with Windows 7.
Apple does not insult me with any rectangle around my face, nor does anyone who is with me get degraded by the camera on my laptop.
My concern is that Microsoft is probably losing a lot of sales because of having made so many people angry.
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