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Why is that the top 3 folks at FEMA

have ZERO years of emergency management experience between them? Who gave these people their jobs? Thankfully there hasn't been a domestic terror incident.

The three:

Michael Brown - Who seems to be on the chopping block was a lawyer in Colorado and Oklahoma prior to being appointed Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response

Patrick James Rhode, Chief of Staff - His first position with the Bush Administration was as special assistant to the President and deputy director of National Advance Operations, a position he assumed in January 2001. Previously, Mr. Rhode served as deputy director of National Advance Operations for the George W. Bush Presidential Campaign, in Austin, Texas.

Scott R. Morris, Deputy Chief of Staff - Before joining FEMA, Mr. Morris served as the deputy chief of staff and White House liaison for the U.S. Small Business Administration. Mr. Morris was also the marketing director for the world?s leading provider of e-business applications software in California, and worked for Maverick Media in Austin, Texas as a media strategist for the George W. Bush for President primary campaign and the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign.

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Apparently the Bushes (Father and Son) think that

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running a political campaign is good training for handling disasters. That didn't work out well for Bush P

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Want to discuss the qualifications of...

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Raymond 'Buddy' Young, who was appointed to the post of Southwest Regional FEMA Director in 1993?

His sole qualification for the pposition was that he headed up efforts to discredit other state troopers whose allegations fueled the Troopergate scandal.

Why have you managed to avoid acknowledging that Brown had prepositioned rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast BEFORE landfall and requested 1000 TRAINED personnel within 48 hours of actual landfall? Probably because either you are unaware or it takes the steam out of your criticisms because FEMA is and always has been a SECOND RESPONDER after local government gets in gear. (another possible reason for your failure is that although even some liberal media has mentioned it they certainly haven't made the prepositioning cleat to the masses of which you are one--here is one of those liberal media's rather biased mention of some of the facts http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002477094_katrinaresponse07.html )

A 48 hour window for the arrival of 1000 TRAINED personnel was certainly well within what the situation demanded WHEN YOU STOP TO THINK and realize that just like with Ivan, New Orleans had escaped most of the storm until THE NEXT DAY when the levees broke.

"FEMA response and recovery operations are a top priority of the department and as we know, one of yours," Brown wrote Chertoff. He proposed sending 1,000 Homeland Security Department employees within 48 hours and 2,000 within seven days.

Knocke said the 48-hour period suggested for the Homeland employees was to ensure that they had adequate training. "They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said.

Employees required a supervisor's approval and at least 24 hours of disaster training in Maryland, Florida or Georgia. "You must be physically able to work in a disaster area without refrigeration for medications and have the ability to work in the outdoors all day," Brown wrote.

The same day Brown wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments. Brown said it was vital to coordinate fire and rescue efforts.

And you have the audacity to talk of "slow learner" after many fine examples of your own learning abilities through your many posts that regurgitate information soundly disproven as soon as you initially posted it.

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Not to mention ...

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... considerably more important positions such as Sandy "I like the feel of paper against my skin" Berger as NSA, and a WHOLE host more!

Evie Happy

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(NT) (NT) Yeah..."skin"...like "********".

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Brown was overidden by Chertoff but that doesnt seem to

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phase you. Chertoff has now hidden behind bureaucratic nonsense saying he held back because that was the only legal thing to do. The man should be hung, but I doubt he will even get a wrist slap!

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What was held back...

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was the sending of troops and that CANNOT be done until the governor has requested them. Both the law and protocol prohibit the president from ordering military troops into a state without a formal request to do so from the governor of the affected state.

Mississippi had prepositioned over 1000 National Guard troops knowing Katrina was coming and Louisianna's governor didn't nor did Nagin ask for any.

But that doesn't seem to phase you as you don't let the facts stand in the way of your bleating.

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Sorry pal. I heard Chertoff say that FEMA

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was unable to act because of the legalities involved. No amount of your nonsensical sophistry can change what the man publicly said. In fact I have a picture of you with a dictionary in hand sitting and smiling at your own belly button in praise of a turn of phrase which you mistakenly believe you invented!

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Legalities -- as in the role and scope of Federal ...

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... government on domestic soil.

Were you a Patriot Act Chicken Little?

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Would that you had listened...

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to what he said and actually understood it.

Paraphrasing out of context doesn't do your credibility much good.

Take a look at 18 USC 1385 (on the books since 187Cool and you will note that unless ASKED by the governor, Federal troops CANNOT be sent.

Gov. Blanco REFUSED to turn control over to the Federal government and because a State is a sovereign entity the Federal Government had its hands tied in MANY ways by many laws.

[irq=http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/05/D8CEBED81.html]Blanco has refused to sign over control of the National Guard to the federal government and has turned to a Clinton administration official, former Federal Emergency Management Agency chief James Lee Witt, to help run relief efforts.[/irq]

The following was another of the LEGALITIES Chertoff spoke of - "The way that emergency operations act under the law is the responsibility and the power, the authority, to order an evacuation rests with state and local officials," Mr. Chertoff said in his television interview. "The federal government comes in and supports those officials." MS. Blanco REFUSED to request the Federal Government take over the evacuation which was her legal right to the detriment of the citizens.

Just because you do not have an inkling of the fact that this is a nation of laws doesn't excuse your ignorance on the issue but that "quality" of yours is apparently boundless.

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Thats twice you have accused me of not hearing what

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I heard or of not reading what you wrote. You not only are boring but dont realize your brand of crap doesnt go down anymore with most of us!

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Make this a third time...

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then because you have yet to show where Chertoff said anything regarding legalities other than those I have referenced. Can you reference what you claim? NO (but that comes as no surprise)?

Your selective hearing problem doesn't seem to help your problem with facing up to the realities of legal issues but again, ignorance is no excuse.

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or an interpeter who understands common sense and logic.

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Re: college roomate

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I heard Albaugh LIVE on radio state that no only is this untrue, they didn't even attend the same college.


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You must understand that...

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since Allbaugh and Brown were Oklahoma natives involved in the state's Republican politics, they MUST have been roommates (although they couldn't likely have been roommates with each other in view of the long commute to classes).

Mr. Brown attended Southeastern State University (located in Durant, OK), 1975; B.A., Central State University (located in Edmond, OK), 1978; J.D., Oklahoma City University School of Law (located in Oklahoma City, OK), 1981.

Mr. Allbaugh graduated from Oklahoma State University (located in Stillwater, OK) in 1975, (Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science)

As always, if the truth and facts aren't certain people are perfectly happy to rely on pullitoutofyourass.com as a ready reference. The sh***y information let him down yet again.

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(NT) (NT) Bush P

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(NT) (NT) Evie, how'd you get that accent mark above Pere...LOL

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DK often does AFTER he...

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has read such in one of his favored OP ED columns.

Consider his use of "Chilling", SCOTUS, NO, neo-con, etc. that he picked up as "the word or acronym of the day".

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Slow learner?

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Maybe you should get the facts straight before condemning him. Or are you, like Nancy Pelosi a "no learner"?

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Brown's ticket to FEMA was Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's 2000 campaign manager and an old friend of Brown's in Oklahoma.

Mr. Rhode served as deputy director of National Advance Operations for the George W. Bush Presidential Campaign, in Austin, Texas.

Scott R. Morris worked for Maverick Media in Austin, Texas as a media strategist for the George W. Bush for President primary campaign and the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign.

What's wrong with those qualifications? Mr. Bush has stated many times that he is loyal to his friends, stands behind his friend. You have to give Mr. Bush credit for being loyal and keeping his word. Jeezzzzzzzzzz, cut the man some slack will ya!


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Do you know how many of the political appointees

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ever have "real experience" tied to their post? This is a practice that has gone on for all Presidents, Republican and Democrat alike. In Federal agencies there is a stark difference between the appointed and careerist levels of management... Generally, the appointed set the overall attitude (at the direction of the President) and provide a 'face' for the organization, while it is the professionals who have spent their careers in the organization who actually do most of the practical work.
This practice of appointing individuals who have no experience in the actual department goes back to America's earliest years... so if you're condemning Bush now, you are condemning every President we have had.

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Well Rick,

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it would be good if those positions had some background experience.

Something that happens as a matter of fact in these United States:

Looking at the bio of many newly selected CEO's, they don't have a background at all in the company they are going to run, even though they will be drawing a outlandish salary. The qualified people (subordinates) can carry him.

Many appointments are from personal friendship, or reward, both with the the Demo & Republican parties. In politics, just having a law degree is gravy to justify. There is no outcry for qualification until the department screws up. The qualified people (subordinates) can carry them.

The people vote for who gets on the city council, mayor, school districts, local judges, state & federal legislature, and some have absolutely no qualifications what-so-ever in management, or even graduated from high school, but can talk-the-talk.

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most MANAGEMENT positions are given to people...

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for their management skills and abilities (which include the ability to delegate), NOT with the idea that they are expected to micromanage their agency.

Academics and "journalists" are often unaware of this although they can often be heard criticising their own boss who can't leave them alone to get the job done.

As I mentioned to DK, Brown had prepositioned boats and teams prior to Katrina's landfall and requested 1000 TRAINED personnel to arrive in New Orleans within 48 hours of landfall and more to follow. That is pretty standard proceedure followed for storms and would have been plenty adequate except for the fact that the levees broke AFTER the storm danger appeared to be past. FEMA is there to supplement the state and local activities, NOT as a First Responder.

The public has been given the impression that Katrina was pretty much localized to New Orleans but that is a false image as it covered most of the coast and inland from Texas to and into Florida. That is a pretty large area (matter of fact the hurricane threatened an area as large as 90,000 square miles covering three states. Immediate relief could not possibly have been delivered to all the places that required attention.

Brown and Chertov did their jobs as well as Witt ever did (and remembering the Mississippi and Missouri River floods of 1993, the Southern California fires of 1993, and the Northridge, Los Angeles earthquake of January 1994 possibly better), and FEMA began its activities immediately, not expecting the magnitude of the flooding, the non-response at the city and state level, and the anarchy that resulted.

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