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Why is it that? ...

Feb 17, 2004 9:09PM PST

You folks always bring everything back to a party political level and yes I do understand that it's an election year. You give helpful replies to me and I appreciate that, but I don't understand why you think it makes any difference to others in the world as to which party in the US did "what they did", i.e. "the US did it, not the ...whichever party did it", given the US's power both military and economically.

OK I'll get my coat (as we say) and won't post anything further in this thread, but I would be really pleased to hear (cos I ain't well versed in American debating techniques) whether you really are discussing the issues or just enjoy debating politics (and why not).

Regards
Mo

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Re:Why is it that? ...
Feb 17, 2004 9:44PM PST

First re "OK I'll get my coat (as we say) and won't post anything further in this thread", sit and stay a while as the old saying goes. Feel free to critize, might do us good to get a few more out of the US views.

IMO, our politics have been becoming more unpleasant my entire life. And it's not just one party or indidividual that started it, inspite of some's blaming particularly ones. Chuckling, there I go disagreeing with someone already.

The 2000 fiasco election problems in Florida led some to feel that President Bush was never elected. It was a mess, and there will never be agreement on how it was handled. But the system worked, even if poorly, and we didn't have a civil war over it. But the climate in the US and Speakeasy never really got out of election year mode after that. Politics here in the US has become who can find the most dirt. Some of that is because it seems many of our elected officials have a lot of dirt to find. I'm not sure how much the systems corrupts everyone, or how much it just allows corruption to chose who gets elected. But everyone has been mud slinging since the 2000 election and it will not stop I'm afraid.

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Feb 17, 2004 10:01PM PST

Besides what Roger so diplomatically has pointed out this room is filled with internet surfers who have nothing better to do than to find nonsense to shoot their mouths off over.

That said we had a politically astute president who besmirched the office because he could not control his adolescent sexual urges followed by a man who in the minds of many should not be president of his Parent Teachers Association let alone this country.So there is a lot of confusion in which the former presidents non-political activities are used to point out how right (pun intended) the political activities of the current man are. In short it is mostly a lot of nonsense that you are reading with little basis in reality. You will see more and more of it in here as we get closer to the election. Do not judge all of us ,however,by the actions of a few loud mouths on both sides of the fence who have developed a remarkable ability to conceal their real prejudices by the use of good grammer and flowery vocabulary. I no longer bother reading their posts. My granmom told me Blarney is suppossed to be funny in here it is a way of life I for one can do very well without!

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Re:Why is it that? ...
Feb 17, 2004 9:50PM PST

'...but I don't understand why you think it makes any difference to others in the world as to which party in the US did "what they did", i.e. "the US did it, not the ...whichever party did it", given the US's power both military and economically. "

Guess I'll be blount about this. It's perhaps unfortunate, but we get involved in the 'discussions' and that is all we see I think. Not how it may look to those of you outside the US. Not even how it looks to those outside the discussion.

It's selfcentered I guess, but without more input from more outside the country, their views may get drowned in the number from within the US. There are a few here outside the US that use to frequently comment on how arrogant we were to think the rest of the world cared. Well, arrogant or not, when 2 or more in Speakeasy are having a heated discussion about something affecting the US, they probably don't really care if anyone outside the US is bored with it or not.

And we have our share of self conceit like any other people I guess. Of course, with such a huge population and so many different large groups, there can be conceit over different things.

Guess it's just our warts, not necessarily pleasant, but unfortunately I don't expect to see much improvement anytime soon.

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Re: Why is it that? ... Is it any different with Tories vs. Labor over there?
Feb 17, 2004 9:52PM PST

Actually, Mo, I'd think it would be even stronger over there because of your parliamentary system and resulting stronger "party discipline" on key votes.

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Dave, that is my very point, that .....
Feb 18, 2004 12:09AM PST

everybody knows what their respective "party line" is whether it be over here or in the US. Hence my question that issues transcend the party line.

Regards
Mo