Why Ipods are better than Creative players...

trooper just wait. I was in the same situation as you at once. I couldn't find an mp3 player to work out with that would also hold all my songs. So I waited. Carried around my cd player. When all was dark and I felt all hope was lost, at the end of a tunnel that I thought would go on forever, was a light. Alas my nano! Any way dramatics aside, just wait a little while longer. Hopefully 2006 will bring you a player you'll fall in love with.

first of all, i wasn't talking about the ipod being the "greatest player" per-say, but in actuality that it sells the best, read the frikken topic, thats what it's all about, SALES.
Oh, and
"Yep, Ford is the biggest auto maker in the world. I guess that makes it the best type of car."
WHAT?! Ford's not even the biggest auto maker in the US, GM is. Ford's barely alive at this point, Honda's kicking its *** all over the place. You know why? Ford has a bunch of luxurious features in their cars like heated seats and such and has more power in their cars, yet honda's cars look better and handle better, thus the Civic was the best selling car for 2005.

Fact: Windows XP is the best selling OS.

Therefore, according to your logic, I should buy Windows XP. It sells the best!

Fact: IE is the most used browser in the world.

Therefore, according to your logic, I should get IE. Everyone else has it!

Your logic is that:

Best Selling Item = One size fits all

huh? i was never trying to get anyone to buy the ipod, i was just refuting the claim that the Vision M would sell well to the mass market. I'm saying that the ipod sells well because apple knows its target market and designs their players to suit that market. Creative, trys to give the most bang for your buck, while having great audio quality for those who are REALLY serious about music. And certainly, the ipod isn't the best for everybody, take you for instance, i'm sure you appreciate Creative's multitude of features, but most teenagers would prefer the ipod. Nobody is wrong in this situation, in fact i don't even know why i'm arguing. 0_o

The masses of people can't use a computer either. Most of them just buy things because it a fawd.

Someone who taken the time to research and assuming they have the computer skills of kid(which I assume that you both fall under) should choose the creative M. I am into features and specs, not into emotions arguments("Group Thing" in psychology).

"Think" not "thing"

"The masses of people can't use a computer either."
WHAT? For Africa, maybe. Besides, don't you need a computer to use an mp3 player anyway?
"Someone who taken the time to research and assuming they have the computer skills of kid(which I assume that you both fall under) should choose the creative M"
If the masses of people can't use comps, then how can they research cmp3 players on the comp? 0_o
I'll just assume that the 1st quote was a typo, and say that: The average teen couldn't care what the specs of an mp3 player is, they'll just be drawn to the coolness of the ipod. Also, wat percent of the teen population would bother going online to comparison shop on ANYTHING? what, 2%?
"I am into features and specs, not into emotions arguments("Group Thing" in psychology)."
That exactly what i'm saying!!! People like you will bond very well to the Vision M's features and be happy with their Zens. But, if you consider ur own likes and dislikes to be the norm for teenagers, then ur sadly mistaken.

Most people can open up outlook and word. Most people have no idea how to use a computer beyond that. HTML, building PCs, dos, etc.

The fact is, you use a teen's ignorance to build up your product. I am a teenager, I comparison shop for everything. I look at the pros and cons, and decide which is the best product. It sounds like you do likewise, why did you choose the ipod?

It is irrational and case of "group think" when you choose a products for looks and not function.

You guys are like 2 girls in a cat fight. How many threads are you guys gonna keep posting in with the same old arguments......agree to disagree and get on with it.

Here's something from not a teenager. I'm 22. I support the ipod rather than the vision M. Why? Because the vision m isn't something everyone wants. I'm the only person out of all my freinds (mostly people in there late 20's early 30's) who know's in depth about technology. They have no clue about codecs, pixels, lcd, oled...etc.

This is what they know. It should look pretty. It should be easy. If something goes wrong they want a person face to face to talk to. They don't want to be on hold forever and they want the person who answers the phone to speak english. They want it to do what it says it does. They know that they won't have to worry about thier technology. They want it to just work. They want it fast.

Creative vision m will not succeed not cause of ignorant teenagers but because ignorant Creative. They should listen to the public like apple does.

"I am a teenager, I comparison shop for everything. I look at the pros and cons, and decide which is the best product."
Yes, that's what i'm saying. You're in a select group of teenagers(yay! pat urself on the back) who actually take the time to look up before they buy. This is not the case with the 74% of the mp3 market that bought ipods. I'm not saying that the ipod is better than the Vision M, just that it has more mass appeal. And if you say the same arguement one more time, then i will be very angry.

ebeegeez, this discussion is about the mp3 player market, not about which player is better. BTW, there is no BEST player, not creative, not ipod, not iriver. The BEST player is defferent in everyone's eyes because they have different needs and wants. Obviously, Creative is the BEST PLAYER for you and Pimp, while the ipod nano is the best player for me and glorybox. It's all a matter of perception.

I don't think there is a "best player", or "best PC" or really "best" anything. I like features over looks/social stuff. Again, I did check out the ipod G5. I just really needed a radio, and will benfit from more file support and higher TV output.

Yes! Now we agree

We need something else to quarrel about. Politics or Game Consoles perhaps?

i've got one, green apple jolly rancher sucks, watermellon is so much better.

Cherry Jolly Ranchers are way better then watermellon.

the watermelon has a finer pink color which gives it props for looks. Also, it is way more accessable since cherry is known to stick to the wrapper.

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Thanks,
John

This thread started out with Yangman88 baiting others into flaming him, and despite some positive contributions, has been mostly a childish dispute about what the best MP3 player is. Now positive contributions have been replaced by continued off-topic discussion concerning Jolly Ranchers. Therefore I am locking this thread and requesting that such trivial, off-topic, personal debates be taken elsewhere. Also, ALL future cases of name-calling, profanity, and other forum policy violations will be deleted, starting with A__Hole's post that used a slang version of the profane word referring to a female dog, which was used to circumvent the forum language filters. I advise everyone involved to reread (or, as I suspect, read) the forum policies as to what is and is not appropriate.

Game Over.
John

That's right people Green Apple representing! Obviously green apple apple is the best since the flavor last longer.

Anyone got some stats on which jolly rancher lasts the longest? How the features of the green jolly ranchers?

the watermelon jolly rancher is known to have .05% less air pockets on average than the other flavors. And, it is also less scratchable.

-Green jolly rancher .11 percent bigger than other jolly ranchers
-advanced flavor coating (new to the 2005 jolly ranchers)
just check out the jolly rancher forum. plus I heard people wear having problems with there chery jolly ranchers. There was a recall on them

We can't even have heated debates across 3 threads anymore I want jolly ranchers now. Dang you all! lol