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Why do I need two browsers these days?

Sep 20, 2013 8:39AM PDT
Question:

Why do I need two browsers these days?


Despite (or maybe because of) constant "upgrades" allegedly designed to "protect" my online security, I find myself having to run two browsers in order to access Web sites that I never had problems accessing before. Passwords and forms that don't work on Chrome mysteriously work on Firefox, and vice versa. And while they all might work on Safari, I gave up battling the onslaught of pop-up hurdles that plagued me after I "upgraded" and seemed to require a Ph.D. in computer science to disable. And why does Google Chrome request access to my CreateSpace account, when I'm not doing anything with it, not even having an open window even vaguely related to it?

Isn't there a governing body controlling the development of browsers to ensure compatibility with Web standards and oversight of their personal-data collection? With companies like Google and Apple and Yahoo trying to gain a monopolistic advantage and milk their user databases for every half-penny of profit, browsers are acting less like browsing tools than devious mechanisms to ensnare clientele in their proprietary clutches, collect personal data, and block out competing technologies.

Can't they stop concentrating on new ways to squeeze us dry and just be content to profit from ads? Or better yet, I'd rather pay a reasonable yearly or monthly license fee for a browser that worked on every site I visited without crashing due to some input overload from invisible "services" tracking me and analyzing me as if I were a gold mine that needed to be drained of every nugget.

I admit I'm not the most savvy tech user but I've been cruising the Web for nearly two decades and I've never found it more frustrating and time-consuming. If that's progress, I say, put a lid on it.

Am I the only one who feels this way? I'd like to hear your opinions. Thanks.

--Submitted by Joe A.

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You are confusing what I was trying to say
Sep 30, 2013 9:10AM PDT

OF course it is possible to have several email accounts open in the same browser, IF They Are From Different Providers.

Again, if you have several DIFFERENT email accounts with different providers, yes, of course you can have them all open in one browser. This was NEVER an issue, nor did I debate this fact.

One user here did post a gmail setting that will allow multiple logins with Gmail, but again, I'm not sure if other providers have this functionality. If not, I still adhere to my original posts about multiple logins of most any account(s), email or otherwise, in the same browser.

I'm sure at this point that there will be some exceptions to this, given the fact that Google, has made it possible in Gmail.. Others may well follow suit.

The way that privacy settings are set up in most browsers, would require some sort of work around, just like gmail has, AGAIN this assuming same provider(s), multiple account logins.

Hope this makes sense! I know it can be hard to convey in short syntax, one's meaning..

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Multiple E Mail Accounts
Sep 30, 2013 12:33PM PDT

Why ?

What benefit is derived from a second or third account ? It seems like one takes on more work to keep up with them a more risk of everything.
Are the accounts mutually supportive of one another ?
What accounts would be a good idea ?

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Benefits? For example...
Sep 30, 2013 4:36PM PDT

A work account, a family account, a totally private account for sensitive data and so forth. There are lots of reasons to maintain multiple accounts. Yes, it does create a bit more in the way of organization, but there are benefits too , especially in the way of privacy.
One example is, I use one email account for only online sign ups to pages like cnet, blogs, forums etc.. Another for banking. Another for work specific. I have several.

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Good luck with that.
Sep 28, 2013 1:05AM PDT

The minute you "refresh" your page/tab, your current login will be shown, and the previous, gone.

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accessing multiple gmail accounts
Oct 3, 2013 6:14AM PDT

Actually , I have 4 Gmail accounts , all open in the same browser at this moment. You can either elect to have your email from other accounts, not necessarily just GMAIL, collected into one Gmail account ( I have 2 hotmails and 2 charter accounts doing this) , and at the same time you can "Add Account" and the other Gmail accounts open in new tabs in the same browser. ( I have 3 plus my primary one open in tabs right now) . Perhaps it is true that you need more than one browser for multiple accounts like Amazon and Netflix, or other email accounts , but what you are saying is NOT true regarding GMAIL. I usually use Chrome, but this works the same in Firefox or Internet Explorer.
I primarily use Chrome, but you cannot a "selection" in Chrome, to my knowledge, so I find I must use Firefox or IE for that function.

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Variables.
Oct 3, 2013 11:05AM PDT

There are so many variables, that have been discussed at different places in this thread but,
There are so many options for how folks set up email accounts. On gmail, yes they allow both multiple instances of email accounts, this has been discussed. As well, one can opt to have emails from different accounts Forwarded to a Main account if desired.
So yes there are options that each individual can choose to set up.

As far as banking user sign ons , Netflix and others, well, ....most of them won't allow that in the same browser.

Thanks for the comment.

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Accessing e-mails, web pages, etc.
Dec 2, 2013 8:43AM PST

I agree with webserf - it is definitely a matter of personal preference and choice. I am a staunch user of Internet Explorer, and have the latest version on my PC. I have no problems accessing web pages, entering data, etc. Plus I can access all my web-based e-mail accounts all at once, by opening them in different tabs. I personally have found Chrome to be slow, Firefox to be too buggy, and Opera to be inadequate for me ( at least in my opinion). I know others swear by these other browsers, but I am one that has found that IE is the best - - at least for me.

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I stand corrected
Sep 28, 2013 1:40AM PDT

on DDG , so now the purpose of it being secure is defeated as it's just a an engine to direct you to web sites. Other than being fast it really doesn't do anything for us?

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@itsdigger
Sep 28, 2013 3:34PM PDT

DDG does what it advertises. It allows us to search without our personal information being collected and stored. Not even our IP addresses, MAC Addresses nor our browser information is collected and stored. I strongly suggest that you read DDG's Privacy Policy by following the link here: http://donttrack.us/ .

Tracking is another animal altogether. Tracking can be done no matter which browser you use. Learn about tracking by doing a search for "web tracking" to begin with and with what you learn from that you can do further searches to learn even more and how to protect yourself from it.

And by all means, continue to use DDG! ....and even give Startpage and Ixquick a try, too! Happy

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duckduckgo isn't a browser is it?
Sep 27, 2013 10:07PM PDT

Looking up just now for a download of duckduckgo it seems to be a fancy search engine but I didn't see anything suggesting it was a browser. Have I got that wrong? I would like to try a new clean browser as I've not been happy with any so far Firefox; IE8; Sea Monkey; Safari; Chrome - they all seem to be full of problems one way or another. It's a bit like finding a good free Anti Virus that works well for more than a few months and doesn't clog up the system to a grinding halt !

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was going to post the same thing
Sep 27, 2013 10:48PM PDT

ddg is a search engine not a browser.

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Quest for the Grail
Sep 27, 2013 11:18PM PDT

Both FF and Chrome are excellent browsers, and frankly, so is IE (leaving any vulnerability issues aside). For variety's sake, you might try the Chrome-based Comodo Dragon.

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why has no one adressed Joe A's security settings?
Sep 27, 2013 11:28PM PDT

I was having a few issues with Firefox until i adjusted my security levels. I have Adaware and Avira as my anti virus programs. I also have DoNotTrackMe and AdBlockPlus [ that's one addon the IE doesn't allow and as an online gamer I find very convenient]. I'm 67, just got a computer 4 years ago and I find that with a little research I can find solutions to any PC problems I may encounter. Good luck, Joe.

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Quibble with itsdigger's response, etc.
Sep 28, 2013 3:18AM PDT

1. Let's not get things confused here any more than they already are.

a. A Search Engine is a web based service that you use to do searches on to find other web pages of you choice.

b. A Web Browser is a software program on a device such as a computer, tablet or smart phone that enables you to get on the Internet.

That is not to say that DuckDuckGo is not a good Search Engine. It is one of the most private Search Engines out there among others which also include Ixquick and Start Page, Ixquick's little brother that searches Google for you while keeping your search history, etc from Google.


2. As far as Browsers go, I use Firefox exclusively with very minute problems such as what Joe A. describes. I refuse Chrome due to it's lack of privacy issues that Joe describes. I've tried many other browsers, too, but have always disliked one thing or another about them especially when it comes to functionality. They just simply do not hold a candle to Firefox with one's chosen extensions.

That said, there is one caveat that I must interject where my use of Firefox is concerned: I use a version of FF that is about two to four versions behind the most recent version and I do NOT allow it to update on it's own. I use that version until it just doesn't work any more then I "upgrade" again to a version that is behind the latest version. It really doesn't take but about a year and a half to two years for this to occur now that FF has increased it's update schedule. Once I install the new version of FF I simply install all my add-ons again. I use an add-on called Extension List Dumper to generate a list of my add-ons so I can remember all of them. I use another add-on called PlainOldFavorites so that I can save my bookmarks in IE's Favorites and access them from FF so I don't have to use FF Bookmarks which are more tricky to save. Therefore, I never lose my Favorites when I uninstall the obsolete version of FF in favor of a newer one.


3. As far as Firefox extensions are concerned, the ones that do help protect the computer or the user's privacy (BetterPrivacy, NoScript, etc) do have to be configured properly in order to do their optimum jobs while not impeding user's surfing and other usage habits. It's all in learning how to use these extensions properly to tweak them to the user's habits. While this can be a bit of a slowdown or pain in the anal orifice at times it is well worth that little bit of time and trouble to have that protection.


4. I suspect that Joe's problems may be one or more Add-ons (if he has them) causing most of his incompatibilities where Firefox is concerned. If he does have these types of add-ons installed on his Firefox then he may want to go into each one and learn how to use it individually, first and then go on to the next. This will be made easier if he disables all but the add-on that he's working with at the time. Then he can enable one at a time to see how it meshes with the others and whether it needs some tweaking or a similar replacement to make his internet usage more seamless with just Firefox. That way he won't have to have Chrome on his computer at all if he doesn't want to.

For sites that are just incompatible with Firefox, and I've run into them a handful of times, too (they're usually very small "one-horse" sites) he could try to contact that site and ask them to make it compatible with Firefox. I've done this on occasion and those folks normally appreciate the feedback and do what they can to fix the problem on their end. I even had a local TV station that was incompatible with FF until I called their IT department and notified them of the problem. It was fixed in just a few days!

I hope this helps in some way, Joe. Good Luck! <img style="border:0;" class="smiley" src="http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/mb/emoticons/happy.gif" alt="happy" />

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dukcduckgo is NOT a browser
Sep 29, 2013 1:47AM PDT

itsdigger-WHAT does duckduckgo have to do with this thread ?? duckduckgo IS A SEARCH ENGINE.NOT a browser ! Just a bit off topic now aren't we ?

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Read The Whole Thread
Sep 29, 2013 1:49AM PDT

and you'll find that I corrected that.

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I thought duckduckgo....
Sep 29, 2013 1:55AM PDT

...was the code word to get home safely on a Saturday night when the yahoos were being thrown out of the pubs.

Dafydd.

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HAHA
Sep 29, 2013 2:04AM PDT
Mischief
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(NT) Brothers in arms,
Sep 29, 2013 2:09AM PDT
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2 browers
Sep 20, 2013 11:48AM PDT

Because NSA is tracking your browsing and Chrome works better for them. Just kidding. DuckDuckGo is the best browser and it does not allow tracking. Try it and you might like it.

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Why not get it right
Sep 20, 2013 5:26PM PDT

I did not know DDG was a browser - just like iXquick or Startpage?

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I'm confused????????????????????
Sep 28, 2013 1:00AM PDT

I thought I knew the difference between a browser and a search engine. I gave several thumbs down to several different post because I only knew of DDG as a search engine. But several people are stating it as a browser. So I went to DDG and they claim it is a browser but in their description they describe it as a search engine! Which is it?????

My question is, and by the way I have the DDG "search engine" installed on my FireFox browser, did someone redefine the word browser?????? How can it be a browser? Does it function stand alone or do you need a browser to utilize it???

If you "need a browser" then it is only a search engine and NOT a true browser! It is one or the other. But by DDG's very own site they describe an engine.

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(NT) Plain and Simple: DDG is a Search Engine! NOT a Browser!
Sep 28, 2013 1:30AM PDT
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Stop being confused
Sep 28, 2013 2:12AM PDT

@ Glenn51

Read DDG's own description properly, please.

Write "Duck Duck GO" on their search field and read the result, which is:

"Duck Duck Go is a search engine based in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania that uses information from crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia) with the aim of augmenting traditional results and improving relevance.
More at Wikipedia | Official site: duckduckgo.com
Internet search engines"

This text is itself a link to Wikipedia. Click on it and continue reading on Wikipedia.

The world is full of dumb people, those slowing down human development. You cannot take their rubbish opinions into account, or you will be part of them. You have to learn by yourself and use trustable sources.

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Re: stop being .......
Sep 28, 2013 8:52AM PDT

Thank you BUT I already knew that it was a search engine. What had me confused was several people called it a browser and also if one goes to DDG THEY THEMSELVES call it a browser but when you read the description of it they THEN describe a "search engine"!!

I was at their site about an hour or so ago. I just wanted to make sure the definitions for "browser and search engines" didn't get rewritten in the last couple of days. So a browser is "STILL" a Browser and a search engine is STILL a search engine, which is what DDG is. A search engine and NOT a browser!

I am NO LONGER confused albeit I wasn't really confused in the first place by what I knew but some people change the meanings of the terminology!! Wink Mainly wanted to set the "record straight"! Laugh

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Two or more browsers because they do not adhere to standards
Sep 20, 2013 12:21PM PDT

Two browsers may not be enough. Despite the fact that there are industry standards for browsers, as ratified and promoted by the World Wide Web Consortium, there are wide variations in the adherence to the standards, there are some gaping holes in the standards, and some web sites and web site development tools play fast and loose with the standards.

I have four browsers installed, three of which I use with some regularity: Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome. The fourth is Opera, but I don't use it much. IE is essentially the browser I use to update my Windows XP computer, and not much else. I switch back and forth between Firefox and Chrome most of the time.

A long time ago, Microsoft made the browser world more of a mess by adding its own version of Java to IE. However, they corrupted Java to favor their own software development tools (This IS the Microsoft way of doing things), and Sun, owner of Java at the time, successfully sued to have Microsoft remove Java from IE. So now, we all have to download and install the latest Java, as well as Flash Player and Acrobat Reader to allow all our browsers to work even halfway reasonably. Lots of web sites use Java and Flash, and Acrobat PDF documents are ubiquitous.

The place where the WWWC browser standards come up really short is printing web pages. Part of the problem is also that many web site developers do little to test how their web pages look when printed. Yet every day, people have to print web pages. I routinely do a print preview of most any web page before printing it, and even then, what I see in preview is sometimes not what I get. I also use Firefox more for printing web pages, because you can do a print preview and then change the scale of the web page if you do not like the way it looks. As an example of this, I print web pages for the items I sell on eBay. To do so, I have to change the print preview scale setting from "Shrink to Fit" (the default) to a scale of 50%. Then the printed pages are completely readable instead of bleeding off the page to the right. Is this a browser problem or an eBay screwup? I dunno. I have a workaround that meets my needs. I also use browser print preview to print only the pages I can use, because sometimes the browser print function inserts blank pages and because I have no need for the advertising at the bottom of the web page.

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Never used IE successfully
Sep 27, 2013 10:01PM PDT

Because IE is a magnet for viruses and malaware, I don't go near it. But unfortunately, IE comes installed with Windows and you can't kill it.
I use Chrome and Opera. Opera, esp. for me is very dependable. I also have Safari installed as a "backup" browser.

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Why You Need More Then One Browser Installed
Sep 20, 2013 12:49PM PDT

These days one never knows when IE will begin getting very slow and it will. I clear the history and use another browser which the fastest for my computer is Opera. However when all is well all browsers are just about equal. You just never know when it occurs. What version of Windows 7 does your system run on. Ultimate is extremely faster then Home or Pro. I just upgraded from Home and have another PC with 7 Pro on it. & Ultimate is very Media user friendly and FAST!!! I connect sometimes at 90mbps Download, Upload Speed: 4.5-4.7 MBPS. Runs above 40MBPS Download speed at least.
Give a days rest and I can help you with the problem to resolve it!!! Have not sleep in almost 3 days. (Insomnia and horrible nerve pain due to a joint disease)

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Fast Windows
Sep 28, 2013 1:53AM PDT

@ philw19642002
Yeah, all OSs are very fast when you install them and before you start adding programs and stuff. After that they all slow down, specially regarding their ever longer start up time even if you arrange the location of the start up files. But you are right about IE. Chrome only works well with less than 10 tabs open. With more than that it takes an unbelievable eternity so start up, as well as to close down; It often crashes at closing and does not always let us restore the preciously open tabs. It is a real mess with more tabs open that what it can take. Very good and fast tough, if working with only a couple of tabs, but a mess to avoid it we like or need to have many tabs open. For this, Firefox behaves properly up to about 40 open tabs. IE is actually the worst browser in many ways, as working disgustingly. Windows should come without a browser. There is no reason today for its inclusion since Outlook Express was discontinued. In Europe you M$ has to ask if you want their browser, bit that is ridiculously not enough. They should simply cut it short. The OS does not need one, even for registration or activation.

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some browsers have plugins you need: textarea cache
Sep 20, 2013 12:55PM PDT

I agree that one browser would be fantastic. But a good example of why I still use firefox even though I normally use chrome is because firefox has a better implementation of lazarus and also textarea cache. These two plugins (addons) allow the browser to save text typed into a text box before and after submission. Why would you want to do this? Because there are times when the 'form' expires or maybe the internet is down or somehow the webpage stalls when you submit your post. But then when you hit the back button, the webpage expires and you lose ALL of your post. Sometimes it may have taken you several hours to construct your post....and now all of that data is erased without being posted because of some technicality. Wth lazarus and textareaCache, you can return to the same form you were working on previously (refreshed/revisited), then right-click and load the text you had before the crash. A real life saver.

Think about using your word processor, without autosave. Then suddenly you lose power to your computer. Sucks to be you depending on the last time you saved.

Anyway my point is that some browsers have that "must have" feature that keeps you tied to that browser until another browser comes along and has a better implementation of the feature.