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Why do cloud applications take up so much system resources?

Nov 13, 2015 5:08PM PST
Why do cloud applications take up so much system resources?

Dear CNET members, I discovered sort of by accident, when I had to buy a new laptop because my little Sony Vaio was dying, that Cloud applications take a ton of operating memory. My Sony just got very slow at times, but I could never figure out why. When I removed all Cloud applications, it ran much faster. My new laptop showed how much memory Cloud was taking, so I removed right away.....never again, unless they make a slimmed-down version. Maybe other members have had this problem? Why do cloud applications take up so much system resources? Are all cloud services like this? Thanks so much for this community of members who are trying to share their solutions for these everyday technology issues and problems.

--Submitted by Art S. in Thailand

Post was last edited on November 13, 2015 5:13 PM PST

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can't directly address the exact problem you had
Nov 13, 2015 5:43PM PST

but can tell you how to have your own personal "cloud" and avoid it dragging your system down.

1) get your own domain name from a registrar

2) pay $5 a month for a hosted account

3) Gives you FTP and folders you can drop files into

4) Particular folders can have their own username and password

5) webmail accounts usually come with the domain or hosted account

6) Storage space comes, many with lots of GB and some with unlimited bandwidth

7) Access is as easy as using your File Manager

Cool Unless YOU initiate contact to the hosted account, it affects your system none at all.

Examples;
https://www.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting

http://www.hostgator.com/?gclid=CPevxY7kjskCFdEYHwod0RMATg#wto-48?utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=329589

Many, many others

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-OR- own your own cloud....
Nov 16, 2015 4:52PM PST
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Adware/Malware?
Nov 13, 2015 6:19PM PST

I'm sure most computer ppl here will agree, but if you get a new laptop with a bunch of software pre-installed, it's probably best to start off with a new installation of Windows/Linux. Sony, Dell, HP, et al, get paid to put Adware/Malware on your machine which is best to remove. Some stuff might be useful, but you can always install it yourself after a fresh install. And yes, this isn't Windows specific, install an ISO of your favorite *nix, and it'll come with software you don't use, so they make minimal ISOs for about every distro. If you are only loading one ?cloud? service that you actually use, you'll probably be a lot better off loading it after a fresh install. I'm assuming your purchasing Windows laptops, so most resellers will sell business laptops with at least most of the Adware removed, but I wouldn't trust them still and most companies that I've worked for still use an automated installation for licensing and removal of said software.

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Which Cloud service are you asking about?
Nov 13, 2015 7:22PM PST

Which cloud service are you asking about?

"Cloud services" cover the waterfront, and there are big differences between Adobe's Creative Cloud, DropBox and Pandora, for instance. At a high level, Cloud services operate by dispatching work to remote processors through an internet connection. They tend to use more resources when they are communicating.

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it's not "adware"
Nov 21, 2015 8:11PM PST

they are personalize suggestions. I have no clue what the difference is. there are programs designed to take off all the bloatware they put on there.

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Slow Cloud?
Nov 13, 2015 8:37PM PST

As others have asked, which cloud services are you having an issue with? If your cloud services run constantly, in the background, that could be an issue unless your computer is fairly robust. As dj_erik mentioned, a lot of new computers come with a lot of junk. I wouldn't call them malware, per se, but I think the correct term for them is "bloatware". If you have all this stuff on your computer, I'd uninstall them. The "problem" with doing a complete reformat, as suggested, is that you need to make sure you have all the latest drivers (from OEMs), especially if you have a laptop or tablet. Not all drivers come from Microsoft.
For "cloud" apps, I'd be very careful when using them. Not all of them out there certify your privacy or that their employees won't be reading your stuff. Especially if you use the machine for work and will have customer/client data or data governed (HIPAA, HITECH, PCI-DSS, CJIS) as many of the cloud providers are not compliant. Also, the data is being stored online and you will need to evaluate not only the speed of your equipment but also the speed that your ISP provides to see how really fast you will be able to UPLOAD your data to them (not just download speed but upload and download). That can slow your system down. It certainly is faster to save data to the hard drive or SSD. The cloud isn't really speedy but it provides access wherever you are (mostly).
I usually use the task manager and sort by the CPU column to see what is happening in terms of performance. Processes near the top could be suspect. If you have no need for cloud services (all or some of them), you can always remove them as you have already done. You may also want to find someone local to you that can look at your computer and see why it really is slow. Perhaps you needed more RAM?

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I'm having the same problem
Nov 13, 2015 8:46PM PST

One time when my system was runny really slowly, I looked at the task manager on my Windows 7 PC, and there is a task called iCloudService which was taking up 250MB and lots of CPU, so I removed it.

However, I once had to take some pictures with my iPad, and I had to reinstall it in order to get the pictures. It now regularly takes up about 200MB of memory, and if I have a lot of chrome tabs open, it tips me over the edge and I have to kill the program.

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Don't you love Apple...
Nov 21, 2015 7:43PM PST

... And their requirements to use their stupid proprietary software?

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"The Cloud" is part of a recent rather unpleasant trend
Nov 14, 2015 8:07AM PST

I do not take much advantage of "The Cloud," a concept that has actually been around a whole lot longer than it's been called "The Cloud." We used to call it "Distributed Processing" back in the 1980s.

Its chief purpose is to save organizations money that would otherwise be spent on IT resources, including hardware, network infrastructure, and administrative and maintenance personnel. It is not to make things better for the end users but for the company, although they may benefit from automated ways to retrieve data remotely, although there are other methods of accomplishing this that are equally effective. Believe me when I tell you that cloud connections will never be as responsive as applications and data stored on your computer itself, even with the new 5G and Google Fiber connections whenever they might actually become available.
Cloud applications use a lot of resources because they add network resources to the other resources required to execute applications and retrieve data, and they require significant encryption and decryption to provide even the slightest illusion of network and data security.

Furthermore, it is settled law that any data housed on some remote server is the property of the owner of the hardware on which it is stored, and can be used for the purposes of that owner without regard for the data creator's wishes.

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways. I like to keep my apps and data on the computer I use rather than on somebody else's computer. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Yes, MANY reasons NOT to use The Cloud...
Nov 16, 2015 4:57PM PST

I agree with you. I don't use the cloud, either. But, I don't need it. IF I decided that I did need a cloud storage solution I would get my own personal cloud instead of using someone else's servers. This way my files stay mine and without the prying eyes of whatever alphabet thinks they want to pry on line cloud services for whatever reason they think they may have.

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Unpleasant Trends
Nov 21, 2015 2:27AM PST

There is one more unpleasant trend I'd like to add: Bad programming. As computers got more and more powerful, software engineers could start to program more easily, which led to a big change in developing software: there was a shift away from efficiency regarding the use computer power. This opened up new possibilities and led to big progress in many aspects. Problem is: it went on and on. Nowadays there is virtually no effort in doing a solid and effective programming. The idea just got lost. But the need is still there as we can see from various posts on the topic "slow computer". Same thing happened with the idea of web content. "It should be as small as possible" is not a basic concept any more. This is why we suffer everyday when browsing the web with our phone e.g. - no one cares about slow connections any more when building web pages. How can this be? Slow connections (maybe just temporarily) still exist. In fact they are everywhere.

Back to programming: Just imagine the guys from Adobe doing a presentation of their new products on a 2 year old regular computer with no SSD. Well, of course they never will. If they did, people would notice that starting the new version of Photoshop takes longer then it did starting Photoshop 4 back then. Photoshop has evolved of course. But Computers did evolve much much faster. So if Photoshop is double as powerful but my Computer is overall 10 times faster, Photoshop should start up MUCH faster than it did back then. But it does not. Nearly all of this is due to bad programming, although some people might tell you differently. And Photoshop is not even the worst example, for at least its main task - calculating images - still is effectively implemented.
To put it short: it is possible to program nearly any kind of software without slowing down a modern computer as Art S. described. If a software does slow down your computer it is very probably made from people who did not care for you and your situation. Will you let them get away with this?

The best we can do is to turn away from software eating up our resources. Or that is not compatible with older systems and so on. Turn away from concepts like "the Cloud" even, if you feel it is shady. Instead reward companies that are developing solid software that is able to run on older systems, find alternative solutions for your needs, even if they involve learning something and are not the most cool thing.
Companies will always do things the way that brings good sales figures. So we directly influence what they do. Trends are in our hands!

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Settled Law?
Nov 21, 2015 8:24PM PST

What is "settled law"? The data NEVER belongs to the cloud provider. If you look back at Google's or Dropbox's (examples) Terms of Service (archive), you will see that the cloud providers tried to claim that they OWNED all of the data that you store on their systems. If you follow along, that quickly became "We DON'T own any of your data.." The law is that they cannot own the data because of a law called "Copyright". If you were writing a novel and storing the work on a cloud system, would the owners of the cloud have the right to violate your copyright protection? No, but... now they claim that YOU own your data BUT you have to give them complete rights to do what they want with your data including modifying it. So, in one hand, you are correct in that the terms agreement gives the cloud provider complete access to any data that passes through their services (even as part of that "reading your GMAIL" event that came out a year or so ago) but the LAW not only doesn't give them a right to do that, it says the ownership is still with the author who maintains copyright of the work.
OK, so I'm being a bit nit-picky but the only thing that allows the cloud provider to do whatever they want with your data is the LICENSE you give them as part of the agreement when you use their services. Now the question is: Would you allow that license knowing that the cloud provider's employees are all over the world and have not had any background checks?

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Dous the cloud service need to sync files on your computer?
Nov 20, 2015 7:25PM PST

Any cloud service that syncs files with your computer will eat up a LOT of resources figuring out what to sync. I'd love to use a cloud service to back up 100,000 photos and have the speed for the upload, but the syncing overhead is unacceptable. Every time it wants to sync it would have to compare 100,000 files on my local drives with 100,000 files in the cloud. There are solutions to this problem, but the cheap services don't use them yet.

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Resources and Cloud applications
Nov 20, 2015 8:23PM PST

Often when a program on your computer either uses an application that is based on the Cloud, there is a gateway within your system that makes the connection and guides you actions to a specific cloud system or service.

When you use the application, you will see activity on your system during the actual interaction. Also some programs that allow for backup via the cloud will actually have a small program installed on your computer that will on occasion, check your system according to the schedule that you have told the system to backup. Also there could be a setup item that has the application check to see if the system is in use or busy, if this is the case, it will continue to ping your computer to see if the process is clear to begin.

That's the best I can tell.

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Thanks for your help with Cloud
Nov 20, 2015 8:59PM PST

Hi, not sure this is the place to respond, but anyway here goes. Thanks for all of your responses; they really helped to educate me regarding Cloud applications. I was 'using' Realplayer Cloud--and it affected both an older Sony Vaio and my new Lenovo. On my old laptop, it was driving me crazy because I couldn't see the app running / making my PC very slow, and then it would disappear (urgh!!). I used to like Realplayer, but after this experience, I will never use it again, especially since it appears to be linked to cloud services with no user choice. I don't need it anyway, as I now have alternatives to playing music which are just as good. Frankly, Cloud security in general bothers me. No matter what the software designers claim, I think that uploading too much information, especially personal, financial, or other important data is a mistake. Now the Chinese, Russians, and who knows who else are hacking into databases in the Pentagon, banks, credit card service providers, or practically anywhere they like--so what would make me believe that things I 'backup' in the cloud are safe?? I want to close by supporting the CNET attitude that we should all stay healthy. I recently had a total knee replacement due to an old injury. Getting older and having had that experience has made me get back to the basics--good and healthy food, daily and full body workouts, zero alcohol, and lots of water. Here's to getting and staying healthy! Thanks so much, AS

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A Way To Keep Your Browsers Running Quickly
Nov 23, 2015 5:05PM PST

Hi,

I just wanted to not forget to share my discovery of the Spybot 'Immunize' function for Browsers. Spybot is CNET approved freeware, and this function has really helped my browsers run much more reliably and quickly when I apply it at the end of the day--like brushing my teeth. I tend to download and / or stream a lot of videos since I refuse to pay for cable TV these days, but this adds a lot of clutter to my system and after a few days my browsers would be taking forever to do just about everything. Anyway, for me Spybot Immunize solved that problem and I highly recommend it. Cheers, AS