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Who is responsible for the deaths of these teen girls?...

the girls themselves or the police who chased them?

They had been in trouble several times before. They stole a car and ran from police. It was nighttime and they drove into a marsh at high speed. The car sank in the dark water and the police say there was no way to save them. They are now under fire for two reasons. One is for chasing them in the first place and two is for not doing enough. You look at the evidence and decide. From what I see, they did this to themselves. They chose the danger of death over stopping and surrendering to police.
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remember alligators are in those waters

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Not to mention black cotton mouth moccasin snakes.

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That was mentioned in one article and why the

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police couldn't do anything more to help. They'd need to call a water rescue squad but they'd still run out of time. It would be a recovery and not a rescue. Because of the water danger, police policy forbade the officers from attempting a rescue. That being said, I read that parents and their lawyers are blaming police because they chased them rather than just let them go. One account says the driver of the stolen car turned off the headlights driving only with the parking lights so had no idea she was headed for the water. I know there have been controversies about high speed chases that end in deaths and injuries by other drivers not involved in the chase. Some police policies are not to pursue if innocent lives are at stake. I'd allow for police to abandon a chase if they were clearly not competitive with the car and driver they were pursuing and endangering themselves. We'll see if this escalates.

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also, having lived there 13 years

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when younger, I know those ponds also often have muck that is like quicksand, if you go into them you WILL start sinking just like quicksand in the mud and it's very difficult to get back out. It's not clear open water. Tons of bullrushes too.

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People panic when they are doing something wrong.

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A girl with a learner's permit got in an accident and sped away. She got in another accident and her best friend died in that one.

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I see th US is trialling these.

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Interesting but expensive

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a paint gun with glow paint might be as effective. Anyone who saw a car with such can call it in to police, give the location.

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That may be true but, with a learner's permit,

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she must have a licensed adult in the passenger seat. Did she? She also should have received instruction as to what to do if a police officer signals her over. How long afterward did she have the second accident and did she have any license at the time? The issue is who takes responsibility for a person's mistakes. I could suppose someone might suggest that the driver training school and the examining officer who gives someone a passing grade could be to blame. Lawyers would love that.

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what's not been determined is why...

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....they fled and I suspect they were "high" or if not, may have had some "drug paraphenalia" on them. It probably wouldn't have been JUST a driving offense. Of course it doesn't mean they were using, may have been "muling" for someone else. Hopefully they will do some toxicology on the bodies, determine if drugs were involved.

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That's why she ran - no licensed driver

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Second accident was within a few minutes.

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Help me here as I'm not seeing your point

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You said it was, or was likely, panic. What does that have to do with culpability? In front of a judge, should that be considered as a mitigating circumstance? Is panic in such situations completely normal or might it point to some lack of moral and ethical instruction? If "yes", do we blame the parents or home situation similar to the well known "affluenza" defense?

Is there really such a thing as the "age of reason" where a child begins to understand right from wrong?...and at which point they are ready to lean about personal responsibility? Panic, in some situations, might be a completely normal response I don't see it to be relevant when one deliberately puts themselves in such situations as you describe. She had to know she was taking a risk by even getting behind the wheel and should have been nervous from the beginning. That signal alone should have been enough.

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