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Who is listening to your phone calls

May 23, 2006 12:57PM PDT

With all the uproar recently about the invasion of privacy connected to the activity of the National Security Agency (NSA), and ?data mining?, there are a lot of facts, most of which are unknown (except to those of us who are interested in, and try to keep up with the ?spooky? stuff). The point to be made here is that ?data mining? is not a President Bush invention and is not new. GWB is due some credit, but not that much.

First, the NSA was established by classified presidential directive in 1952 by President Truman and as far as I know is yet classified today. The mission of the NSA was to conduct signal intelligence (SIGINT) and communications security (COMSEC). The mere existence of the NSA wasn?t publicly known until the late 1950?s.

The network established to carry out the mission, now over 50 years old, came to be known as ?Echelon?. This consisted of a large array of listening and reception stations, all aimed at several satellites locked into a ?stationary? orbit. These targeted satellites carry most of the civilian telephone and fax traffic from all over the world., including within and from and to the US.

The term ?data mining? is not new. In fact ?data mining? was the primary focus of a program called ?Able Danger?, initiated in 1999 by President Clinton. Able Danger collected hundreds of thousands of terabytes of data via SIGINT prior to 9-11.

Able Danger was discussed at length during the 9-11 Commission Hearings, and in heated debates following the release of the 9-11 Commission Report, particularly in the debate about various intelligence agencies not cooperating or sharing information.

So all of the hulla-balloo about ?recent? secret government activity spying on private citizens is a bit overblown, particularly as it tends to imply that it is something new.

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May 23, 2006 1:49PM PDT
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There have been a number........
May 23, 2006 2:33PM PDT

....of programs over the years, each with a "call name".

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I haven't heard anyone
May 24, 2006 3:08AM PDT

saying that the NSA is new.

Dan

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It would seem that most of the
May 24, 2006 3:21AM PDT

liberals are acting like the NSA was created 09/12/01

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(NT) (NT) To you, perhaps.
May 24, 2006 3:56AM PDT
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All I'm saying is.............
May 24, 2006 3:26AM PDT

......this business of monitoring electronic traffic has been going on for a long, long time. Just because some folks only recently heard about it, doesn't make it something new. I'll wager the US isn't the only country that has been doing it. Those satellites can be accessed by anyone. Probably even the little green guys from Mars.

If someone wants to give it a political slant, where was all the screeching and screaming when a democratic administration was doing it. It was a democratic administration that created the monster to do exactly that. It was a democratic administration that instituted Able Danger. The only criticism I heard was that the information ''mined'' with Able Danger wasn't shared between agencies. Didn't hear any criticism about ''invasion of privacy'' then.

I personally think ''mining'' is a good move, at least it was until all the bad guys got wise and changed their ways to defeat the effort. I've said it before, I think the concern about invasion of privacy is for those who have nothing else to worry about.

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Remember too, that we have "heard" about it
May 24, 2006 3:28AM PDT

through an ILLEGAL leak

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let's go to the source
May 24, 2006 3:33AM PDT
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my paranoia meter sounded
May 24, 2006 5:54AM PDT

is this really the nsa. gov site? or?

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Nothing to worry about
May 24, 2006 3:58AM PDT

except their rights and the danger of an unrestrained executive.

Dan

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To which,
May 24, 2006 3:59AM PDT

there is ZERO evidence of

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(NT) (NT) If you say so.
May 24, 2006 4:05AM PDT