Who can argue with this logic?

and only ONE SIDE doesn't "understand what they're spouting off"?

and you cannot apply today's logic to yesterday's observations.

OBSERVATION

When I touch a pig or eat meat from it, I often get sick. Why is that?

Could it have anything to do with all organic farming and feeding? The lack of cooking instructions and a good meat thermometer?

God's law?
Natural law?

OBSERVATION

When I don't separate my seeds, my crops grow poorly. When I don't mix them, I eat better.

No available reading about cross pollination? No studies on how plants compete for sunlight and nutrients in the soil...or even how one can poison the other?

God's law?
Natural law?

Logic tells me that, if I don't pay attention to cause and effect in how I treat my world, I could suffer consequences. Those might come from the natural results of learning or from people who have already had experience with what I am doing or plan to do. We share our observations and conclusions. They may not be perfect in their full understanding but they might just fit the needs of the day. As well, when I discuss my findings with another person and do so in a condescending manner, I don't spread my knowledge as far as I would if I'd done so in a respectful one...or, at least that's what logic says to me.

I'm done now. No more.

Some here have blamed "weather disasters" in other countries as punishment from God.

Gods Law?...Natural Law?

I bid you Good Day, Sir.

on THAT subject.

I'm waiting to see her walk into her office with her tail between her legs and her head held high....Claiming victory.

I wonder if she will make a grand entrance to the tune of "Eye of the Tiger"....or has the fear of a lawsuit taken the wind out of her sails on that.

I could live with it.

Interested in knowing what part of homosexuality YOU have to "live with".

HOW are YOU inconvenienced by THEIR lifestyle anymore than you are inconvenienced by the lifestyle of other people that you don't agree with?

YOU have to pray for them each time you go to church? Oh Wait, you don't pray for others, you condemn them.

Do others have any say in YOUR lifestyle, or is it a "one way street"?

that happens to anyone else other than me and my family? Should I say "let's just ignore all those criminals, no impact on me".

Is done by "consenting adults" and that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard of anyone trying to justify anything as if that phrase has some justification for their activity. Just because two or more people consent to do wrong doesn't justify it at all. In fact it denotes an arrogance on their part to try and use that as a justification of their perverse deeds.

Neither justify the other, nor necessarily detract from the other, simply because there may be something in common between them. If what YOU believe was true, then you'd have to admit that Planned Parenthood is the same as the Taliban since they both believe its acceptable to murder children.

I wasn't comparing any "justice system" with the Taliban...

I was comparing your idea of dispensing justice on planet earth with the Taliban dispensing justice on planet earth

Planned Parenthood is the same as the Taliban since they both believe its acceptable to murder children.

Are you just back from TN?

Do the Taliban also debate "when life begins"?

and punishment is extended to the law breaker. It doesn't mean it's all just and righteous in God's sight, but it doesn't mean some or most of it isn't either. Your problem is, you believe in making up your own rules, no standard of excellence or Godly rules to adhere to.

When gays shut down my local bakery for refusing to cater to their wedding, I have to find another further away (and I'll miss the best cannolis I've ever had and can't get anymore). When a woman can get the local barbershop fined or possibly closed down for refusing to cut her hair, (doesn't matter that there are NO tools/equipment in that shop geared for women and never have been) my sons need to go further to find another one and get their workers 'trained' to remember exactly how they like their hair cut. When these types of examples more and more every day inconvenience my life (and others) for no apparent reason other than to bring publicity to THEIR agenda and force others to THEIR will, I will get and am getting more and more resentful of a lifestyle that I ALREADY 'accepted' and 'tolerated' without incident, and now because of that resentment, I have become much more vocal than I would have ever been or had been.

In case you don't know or even if you don't care, I have gays in my own family and have known since I was a little kid. They have never been treated any differently by family members than any straight family members. None were 'shunned' or excluded from get togethers, birthday parties, Christmas/New Year's events, or just coffee klatches or baby sitting duties, etc. Their lives were discussed normally just as everybody else's were....jokes were made discussing 'married' life or being single and the hard part of finding dates, etc. I don't recall any 'talking behind their backs' crap other than normal 'what a pita my sister/brother is' which is what you will find with any 'normal' family and none were ever condemned. Yes, there were serious discussions at times about their lifestyle and how difficult it would be for them, but there was always love and concern and not rejection. And, now today, with all the 'demands' being made, those discussions are taking place, and surprisingly, with most of our family gay members being in their 40-60 year old bracket, they are embarrassed and outraged over what they say is sheer 'in your face' provocation and they totally disagree with what's happening. Most are successful career people who didn't have as many problems as adults 'fitting' in as they did as kids and can't understand the reverse bigotry going on.

even though they are based on lies....

The bakery didn't refuse to bake the cake......they refused to PARTICIPATE at the actual wedding by CUTTING IT AND SERVING IT TO GUESTS (many were gay) based on their religious beliefs.....and the fight put the bakery out of business completely. Now....since you have the truth of what happened, IF they had baked the cake and the gays were willing to have someone else bring it to the hall and do the participation part, would that have been OK with you or would you have also forced them to participate?

As for Davis....I didn't describe her to a "T".......she told her underlings to not issue licenses that had HER authorization on those forms since it would give the 'appearance' of condoning the marriages in question. This was a simple fix by the local/state government, but that fix has been rejected..........however, there are many examples of other government officials being given accommodations over religious beliefs and there was/is no reason why she cannot be afforded the same treatment (by removing that 'name' authority as Clerk of Courts on that form, the licenses are still legal in every aspect, but current licenses using HER authority as Clerk of Courts are actually null and void since she didn't give that authority). The form was printed en mass long before the SCOTUS ruling, and since government prints new forms every day for every aspect of what they do, those forms CAN be printed to accommodate her. But, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the GAYS needing publicity over THEIR agenda has to FORCE the issue, when they could have easily gone to a DIFFERENT location to get that license..........just as those other gays could have gone to a different baker.........They prefer THEIR convenience over any body else's, even if that every body else is the MAJORITY. Just as the entire State of California (one of the most liberal States in the Union) held a vote against gay marriage and had a 70% vote, and some Federal judge in the most liberal Circuit Court of the Union, struck it down. The majority in this country doesn't count anymore, even when there is an actual VOTE record to prove what they want. Why bother to have elections anymore for anything if the minority agenda, including BO's, can be swiped away like batting away a gnat?

Done........

The bakery didn't refuse to bake the cake......they refused to PARTICIPATE at the actual wedding by CUTTING IT AND SERVING IT TO GUESTS (

You'll have to give me a link to that story.

without the Clerk of Courts 'signature'.......it's far cheaper than jailing someone, and BOTH sides are getting what they want. They would accommodate religious freedom and they would accommodate the gays. Who loses?

AND

printing new certificates is more expensive than having the County Official that swore an Oath (probably had her hand on the Bible) to uphold the statues of Kentucky honoring HER "oath/words/pledge".

Hand on the Bible? From HER lips to Gods ears?

RE: Who loses?

The taxpayers that have to pay for new certificates.....for starters.

I still like my suggestion for her to sign a few hundred blank "Certificates" and SHE will have no idea if they were used for straight or gay marriages.

Ignorance is bliss.

and defeats the whole purpose behind 'freedom of religion' in this country. The cost to the taxpayer to jail someone is far less then the cost to reprint new documents since they eventually have to be printed again anyhow. I would rather see a few thousand tossed in the trash (which happens for misspellings all the time, btw) and corrected with the exclusion of the 'signature'.

It doesn't matter if SHE doesn't know personally which documents were used for gays.....what DOES matter is that SHE will know at least SOME of them are, and HER authorization is on THOSE.

Stop playing dense and have a REAL debate for a change.

now SHE doesn't want to uphold the statutes.

She should Man up!

If she was a lesbian she would do the "right thing"

So NOW you want to talk about Obama

Start another thread?

Divert and Deflect?

They BOTH have broken the "laws on the books" but only SHE should pay for it? Don't liberals always point to someone else who previously did something (like the HC email crap even though she isn't being investigated for having a separate email.....she's being investigated for having a separate SERVER in order to avoid FOIA requests and by having BOTH her PRIVATE emails AND her GOVERNMENT emails on that server) in order to justify the actions of the person doing it now? How is this any different other than YOU want me to start a new thread even though they have committed the same act......ignored laws they don't agree with.

What they want her to do is uphold NEW statutes that weren't there on her election. Hmm, maybe we should make all laws have a waiting period before implementation, like a couple years. It also would allow those opposed to such law time to build a referendum against it before it became active.

and where does "Separation of Church and State" fit in YOUR scenario?

Use a religious reason/belief to NOTdo something that the Government requires/pays you to AND took an oath to to do?

Want to live your life according to religious beliefs?...live in a Monastery
/Convent...DO NOT get a government job.