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Re:White House to Kerry: Prove Assertion
Mar 15, 2004 6:06AM PST

Wonder if this ties to the alledged e-mail from Kerry to Iran news agancy, and the follow-up in Iran.

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A real Presidential moment, Kiddpeat...
Mar 15, 2004 6:35AM PST

Kiddpeat, did you catch the news footage of Kerry saying, "that's none of your business." and the following shout, "Are you a Republican!?"?
Way to keep your cool in a O&A, Kerry, a real "Presidental moment".

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Re:A real Presidential moment, Kiddpeat...
Mar 15, 2004 7:08AM PST

Haven't seen or heard about that one.

Might be a bit different now that he will be in front of more than just the party faithful.

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I've heard about it, but I haven't seen the footage. (NT)
Mar 15, 2004 11:15PM PST

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So far, Kidpeat, I know of two:
Mar 15, 2004 8:42AM PST

Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the presumptive next prime minister of Spain, has openly stated that he'd rather see Sen. Kerry as President. Also, the North Korean state media has spoken glowingly of the Kerry candidacy. AFAIK, that's it: a Spanish socialist and Korean Stalinists.

Presumably, Mr. Kerry has abundant support in all the other obvious places: Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Moscow, Riyadh, Damascus, Teheran and whatever cave Usama bin Laden presently calls home. Is he really sure he wants this type of support?

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Could be that's why he doesn't want to identify who he's talking to. (NT)
Mar 15, 2004 11:44AM PST

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If true, a real downside, IMO
Mar 15, 2004 12:23PM PST

A family can squabble among themselves, but let an outsider butt in, and that family will close ranks.

This political campaign is a squabble among the USA family. Should the leaders of a foreign country butt in, openly supporting Kerry, it could reopen old Fonda sores.

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Re: WH to Kerry: Prove Assertion -- DAK to KP and Dubya: get real!
Mar 15, 2004 12:36PM PST

Hi, KP.

>>Sounds like it's time to put up or shut up.<<
No, it's not -- and Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for this tactic. He knows that Kerry's statement (made in answer to a reporter's question, AIR) is true, but he also knows Kerry is in a lose-lose situation here. Kerry is being attacked for "no comment," but naming names would immediately damage our foreign relations with those countries (most likely England and France -- neither should be a shock, given their leaders' views in one way or another) and open him up to charges of disloyalty and meddling in foreign affaris to the detriment of the nation. Kerry is taking the honorable course, and those without honor are excoriating him for it.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
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Gee Dave, it doesn't seem to bother Kerry or the rest of the Dems if
Mar 15, 2004 11:13PM PST

President Bush doesn't respond in a lose-lose situation. If it's too sensitive to talk about, then he shouldn't have talked about it. The failure of honor is his, but that's nothing new for him.

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No, Kerry's words are NOT TRUE. Read them yourself...
Mar 15, 2004 11:46PM PST
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/15/politics/campaign/15TRAI.html

"I think the quote, the quote in the comment I made publicly, I believe, was that I `heard from,' that's the direct quote," Mr. Kerry said. "I've likewise had meetings. I've also had conversations. I said I've heard from, that was what I believe I said."

The remark came at a breakfast with about 50 fund-raisers in Florida, after one observed that Europeans were "counting on us" to "get rid of Mr. Bush."


(ACTUAL QUOTE)"I've met foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly, but boy, they look at you and say, `You gotta win this, you gotta beat this guy, we need a new policy,' things like that," Mr. Kerry said, according to a transcript from a reporter who attended the session.

On Sunday, Mr. Kerry said that he had not been abroad since he announced his presidential ambitions in December 2002. In Bethlehem, he told voters he had "had conversations with a number of leaders in the course of the last two years, up until the present moment," and that he had "also had friends of mine who have met with leaders, as recently as the past week I've heard from a couple."

Speaking afterward with reporters, he said the who, when and where was not the point.


Yes, it is past time to "put up or shut up" as it is aboput his being in bed (literally) with "special interests" despite his false claims otherwise.

Old "foragainst" Kerry hasn't even introduced ANY major legislation EVER, and that is hard to do in the length of time he has been in the Senate--maybe because doing so would "pin him down" and he couldn't sway with the wind.
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You don't mean
Mar 15, 2004 11:53PM PST

to say that he was really in a bed with special interests. King sized? What kinda sheets?

Just kidding, Ed. You didn't mean literally, you meant figuratively.

Wink

Dan

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Hey Dan, I'm starting to get the feeling.....
Mar 16, 2004 12:35AM PST

.....that Kerry won't be able to count on Ed's vote, or Clay's, or Evie's, or Kiddpeat's, or James's, or J's. Wink

This morning I counted 7 -- count 'em -- 7 -- Kerry-bashing threads on the first page of the forum. I'm starting to think it's time to just ignore them and let these guys high-five each other to their hearts' content. We know who we're voting for, they know who they're voting for, and neither side is likely to sway the other.

I'm sure the temptation will be too hard to resist at times, but I think I'm going to give it a shot.

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I don't know, Josh. I think Ed's on the fence at this point.
Mar 16, 2004 1:04AM PST

He could go either way. Wink

I'll believe your non participation when I don't see it.

ummmm...

You know what I mean!

Dan

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(NT) See, I'm ignoring you right now. D-oh! oops....
Mar 16, 2004 1:45AM PST

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Lasted all of 41 minutes.
Mar 16, 2004 2:42AM PST

Longer than I expected, really.

Wink

Dan

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Have you counted Dave's threads recently?
Mar 16, 2004 10:29AM PST

He's a one man DNC.

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Re:Have you counted Dave's threads recently?
Mar 16, 2004 11:52AM PST

Hi, KP.

I haven't been starting or responding to more messages lately than I normally do -- quite a bit fewer than a couple of years ago, in fact.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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You may have noticed;
Mar 16, 2004 2:13PM PST

I have been avoiding a lot of it myself.

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NO, I meant LITERALLY!
Mar 16, 2004 1:48AM PST

Who funds Tides Foundation?

Your apology is accepted as I realize that jerking knee was bothering you.

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Re:NO, I meant LITERALLY!
Mar 16, 2004 2:40AM PST

When you say something literally happened, you're saying that that thing did happen exactly as you're describing it. If you say you're literally in bed with someone it means that you're on a mattress, under the covers, with pillows, and that kind of thing. You don't mean that Kerry and the special interest reps are in their pj's, snoring away on the ol' Posturepedic. You mean that you think there is a level of rapport and (figurative) backscratching, and one hand washing the other (figuratively).

The misuse of the word literal is not unusual, but can be amusing. Unless someone is talking from beyond the grave, they can't truthfully tell you that something literally scared them to death.

Dan

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Yes, he means LITERALLY!
Mar 16, 2004 5:10AM PST

Checkout the Tides Foundation. Jointly run by Teresa Heinz-Kerry John Forbes Kerry's wife (And also by Ted Turner, ex husband of Jane Fonda)

Bo

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The boy has trouble understanding the written word Bo. (NT)
Mar 16, 2004 9:45AM PST
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So you think he doesn't sleep with his wife now?
Mar 16, 2004 9:43AM PST

When I said LITERALLY, I meant Literally.

What part of that are you having trouble with?

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Which raises a question about just who is being dishonorable ...
Mar 16, 2004 10:13AM PST

You could argue this either way. I suppose that if Kerry had those conversations it would be difficult for him to 'name names'. That being the case, was it honorable (or even smart?) to make a claim regarding a statement of fact that he cannot possibly defend? It seems to me that if he wants to slam Bush regarding something like this, Mr. Kerry should be prepared to defend himself.

Of course, the cynical folks may speculate that Kerry completely invented the input from foreigners knowing that, if challenged, he could plausibly decline to offer proof in order to protect the identity of the foreign leaders who were inappropriately trying to inject themselves into our political process.

Even if Kerry's statement was true (which is not a given) it seems to me that making the statement in public was rather indiscreet.