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Which Candidate is for you.........

Jan 28, 2004 7:25AM PST

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Re:Just an opinion.........
Jan 29, 2004 4:59AM PST

I tried my best to ignore names and focus on how well my beliefs were represented by the choices given, but like the rest of us, I'm only human. Bush ended up at 14% because that's how the cards played out. Believe me, I was more surprised at who got the 100%!

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No more surprised than myself, Josh
Jan 29, 2004 5:22AM PST

Not only surprised at the 100%, but at the closness
of the rest of the real contenders.

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NT Same here, Del
Jan 29, 2004 6:36AM PST
Happy
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Re: Just an opinion......... You're wrong, Del.
Jan 29, 2004 10:45PM PST

Hi, Del.

I did answer each and every question carefully with regards to my position -- Bush probably got as high as an 11 because some things I oppose were answered with the "middle oppose," rather than all the way to the left. The only thing he and I agree about is that we love this country -- and in his case, I don't think it's because of what it stands for, but because it gives him and his buddies (I'm speaking of the elite mover's and shkers, not just personal friends) the best opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of the rest of the population. I love this country because of the principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence -- but we're taken capitalism to such an extreme that we no longer guarantee life to everyone, and with the Patriot Act, we're now working on diminishing the liberty, too. I know you all think this is merely liberal rhetoric, but the parallels between the Patior Act and the first "emergency powers" given to Hitler after the Reichstag Fire are chilling -- and the term used (Homeland Security) are identical. The German Homeland Security Police were called the SS.

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Wrong ??????
Jan 30, 2004 4:23AM PST

How can any one person TELL another that an 'Opinion' is wrong ?

Dave, your impression/perception of GWB is so totally blindly biased that it would be impossible/beyond your control not to oppose him, to the extreme, on any issue. Again, just my opinion.

Just look at this thread. A simplistic survey has turned into a liberal vs conservative bally-hoo. I suggest some of the liberal oratory be saved because five years is a long time to stay at the top of your lungs. This from someone who is not a registered republican. This from someone, of many, many, many, who are tired of watching grown men regularly gather as a group, in front of the TV cameras, to cry, complain, blame, and promise to 'fight', not govern, but yet offer no alternatives. Disgusting and Embarrassing to say the least. If all of them put on a helmet and jumped in a tank, they would look like twins. The Democratic party is not interested in electing the best person for the job, they are rabid to win an election. Just win the election, we'll worry about the country later.

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Re:Wrong ??????
Jan 30, 2004 5:26AM PST

"many, many, many, who are tired of watching grown men regularly gather as a group, in front of the TV cameras, to cry, complain, blame, and promise to 'fight'"

I know what you mean Del - I'm tired of Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Rush too!!! At least the "Liberal" press (newspapers) isn't loud and obnoxious. You were talking about "Conservative" Talk Show hosts weren't you? BTW can you tell me who came up with the Liberal and Conservative titles? Generally all I see are Radicals on both sides of the aisle.

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Re:Wrong ??????
Jan 30, 2004 5:48AM PST

Del, what you wrote was:

When someone gets down to the 10, 11, or 12 numbers, I feel it only because they chose to go to the extreme opposite of someone they oppose. They didn't even think through the question, or answer it straightforward.

Yes, it's your opinion, but in my case I can also say that you happened to be wrong -- I didn't "work" the survey that way, and DK is saying he didn't either. That's all.

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OK Josh, accepted...............
Jan 30, 2004 6:52AM PST

You and I have no argument. And I will easily accept your answer, and believe it.

As for certain others, and as Patrick alluded, how can anything be reasonably accepted from someone who has, over the years, demonstrated radically biased positions.

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Re: Wrong ??????
Jan 30, 2004 7:30AM PST

Hi, Del.

Of course, people tell one another all the time that their opinion is wrong. But in this case, since the question was the method I used in approaching the questionnaire on that web site, I'm can say unequivocally that I'm right and you're wrong Happy If your opinion were correct, my methodology would have been to first remember where Bush stands and then do the opposite. That was NOT my approach -- my only point of reference was where *I* stand, and to what degree; the ultimate "11" for Dubya shows the low degree of conguence between our positions. Given the numbers you quoted and the fact there was only one Republican on the list, and your surprise at who the "100"was, I'd venture that (perhaps to your chagrin) my views are much closer to yours than they are to Dubya's!

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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Oh Boy.............
Jan 30, 2004 8:37AM PST

With the closeness of the numbers from my responses I cared to think I completed the survey with no bias.

As to your remark about our views possibly being in the same ballpark, stands to shore up another opinion I have
held for some time: Many of your remarks are worded and offered to foster debate, and would not necessarily be your sworn testimony. Wink

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Re: Oh Boy.............
Jan 30, 2004 12:27PM PST

Hi, Del.

>>Many of your remarks are worded and offered to foster debate, and would not necessarily be your sworn testimony.<<
Well yes, I do try to foster debate, but I don't "say" things I don't believe unless I specifically say I'm "playing the Devil's advocate" or us a phrase like "for the sake of argument." Am I incorrect in assuming that Bush was not the 100%? It would frankly be pretty hard for him to be 100% and have one of the ther candidates at 96% (AIR -- someplace around there, anyway).

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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One of them...
Jan 28, 2004 4:05PM PST

got 100%. Another one only 5%. Pretty much accurate, but I had hoped for the one that got 95% to be the highest...

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Re:Which Candidate is for you.........
Jan 28, 2004 10:16PM PST

No surprise, Bush came in last at 14%.

BIG surprise, Kucinich came in first at 100%, but I think he's a loon. Kerry was 2nd at 97%; I feel better about that!

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No surprises here...
Jan 28, 2004 10:28PM PST

A couple of my base issues put Bush at the top, but the rest indicate that my politics are just like I said -- pretty much down the middle.

The top three are acceptable, but the last four Sad

1 Bush 100%
2 Lieberman 67%
3 Edwards 64%

4 Kerry 54%
5 Clark 53%
6 Dean 47%
7 Sharpton 40%
8 Kucinich 38%

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I knew it'd be Bush,
Jan 29, 2004 1:57AM PST

He's the only candidate that opposes abortion. There were 4 other candidates that were "could have beens, except...", but I can't in good conscience vote for anyone who doesn't hold Christian values.

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Christian values...
Jan 29, 2004 1:59AM PST

Do the protestants have Christian values?

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Charlie, it doesn't matter.........
Jan 29, 2004 4:02AM PST

whether you are a Protestant or Catholic, being a Christian is what you do with who Christ is in your life. Is he first in all things or is he hidden when his laws conflict with what you choose to do.

Glenda

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Abortion = Not Christian?
Jan 29, 2004 4:26AM PST

So all countries that accept abortions are not Christian? Or what do you mean? Well, I didn't even ask you, but Cindi...

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Re:Abortion = Not Christian?
Jan 29, 2004 4:29AM PST

If you don't want an answer from others quit posting questions in a public forum! Gee! You got the answer with one post! Amazing:))

Glenda

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Answers...
Jan 29, 2004 4:53AM PST

Yes I do want answers and you haven't answered my question yet! Is a country that accepts abortions a Christian country?

And I also wonder what's so amazing? Do you find me amazing? If so, I have to thank you, but unfortunately I can't say the same about you...

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Re:Answers...NOPE
Jan 29, 2004 6:34AM PST

I do not find you amazing CT! I find the fact that you got the answer on the first try amazing! Yes abortion is not a Christian belief! We sometimes do things that we know are wrong, but maybe think at the time it is the only option! So now anything else you want to argue about?

Glenda

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I mean
Jan 29, 2004 7:01AM PST

That I take "Thou shalt not commit murder" very seriously. There's nothing more to read or not read into it, Charlie.

Cindi

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Re: I mean
Jan 30, 2004 4:42AM PST

Hi, Cindi.

But that Commandment only applies if you believe that human life begins very early in the life of a fetus, and many people don't believe that. If the Catholic Church is wrong, and life begins at the moment of conception, what happens to the souls of the >50% that are never born, regardless of abortion? One of the tenets of the 12 Step Programs is "God doesn't make junk." Saying that life begins at conception means that (S)he does -- and LOTS of it!

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Oh, but not so!
Jan 30, 2004 5:33AM PST

Well, now you're calling God's creations junk??

Dave, every baby's life DOES begin at conception (if allowed to go to term, you won't end up with puppies or penguins, I guarantee it'll be a human baby!) and has a specific purpose in God's plan whether you see it or not.

13
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother's womb.
14
Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous--and how well I know it.
15
You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16
You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.


Psalm 139 13-16 NLT


Hi, Cindi.

But that Commandment only applies if...


Since when does God issue a commandment that "doesn't apply"?

Cindi

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Re: Ooops! I meant "if the Catholic Church is right" (NT)
Jan 30, 2004 7:33AM PST

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How do you interpret that?
Jan 30, 2004 11:41AM PST
"That I take "Thou shalt not commit murder" very seriously." - Cindy Haynes

While I highly respect your opinion, I am also curious if you feel the same way about the death penalty...
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Re:How do you interpret that?
Jan 31, 2004 12:58AM PST

Hi Charlie,

Let's just say I'm NOT fond of the death penalty, but as I feel criminal behaviour must be punished, and it is already established in some states for the most heinous of crimes, I must "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

I'd not vote someone in just because they were for the death penalty, but of a candidate who was against abortion and for the death penalty, my priority would be to save an unborn child who's never had a chance to live over saving a convicted criminal who has already made his choices. Besides, the criminal has the opportunity to accept salvation at any time.

It's a tough question, Charlie, to be sure!

Cindi

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I understand...
Jan 31, 2004 1:07AM PST

I understand what you mean Cindi and although I don't agree with you, I certainly respect your opinion. Wink

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on the other hand........
Jan 31, 2004 1:13AM PST

Cindi, There are so many people that accept abprtion and ar against the death penalty so the question goes both ways, how can they accept abortion and be against the death penalty? And we can't forget the Bible does say an eye for an eye. Any way a very good answer Cindi, and I agree with you, very tough to answer!

Glenda

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The Bible...
Jan 31, 2004 1:25AM PST

If you rely upon the Bible when building today's society, do you understand those who rely upon their holy books that don't share your views?