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WHERE DO YOU BUY YOUR GEAR??

Feb 13, 2006 4:10PM PST

I know everyone has "the" store they love to shop and visualize in. Im a big fan of B&H photo they have great speakers and great prices (As does every place in New York for reasons I am not completly clear on)
The catch is I dont live in NY and buy online. So let me know where you go to make a theater.

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Im a big fan of B&H photo,, Me too.
Feb 14, 2006 1:10AM PST

Add to the list J&R Music World. www.jr.com
www.Fullcompass.com is a one of the larger comerical compaines very similar to B&H in products and lines carried. Amazons rating gave them a 97% satifaction. I have done business with them for over 20 years, never ever had a problem.
New York is a port of enty, so the shipping cost to get the gear to store is the lowest. The other compainies have the pay more for shipping to the store. John

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WHERE DO YOU BUY YOUR GEAR GREAT IDEA "MORE"
Feb 14, 2006 4:06AM PST

San Jose Honda Electronics San Jose Ca. This is a customers dream come true, Most of there work is hi-end installations and they are super pros. Mr Lee. will spend hours with you . The prices are on par with the Super stores, EXAMPLE I bought a new DENON Amp and a Atlantic Technology 5.1 4200 speaker system from them They brought everything to my house ,Installed and calibrated all the gear for me FREE After a Week I heard a voice coil rubbing Called Mr Lee and 4 days later he called me to bring in my speaker, He ordered a replacment from the factory and replaced it for me in 5 minutes I KNOW SOME OF YOU FOLKS HAVE THAT SPECIAL HOME THEATER STORE THAT YOU BUY YOUR EQUIPMENT FROM . GOOD PRICES AND GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, SO PLEASE POST A STORE IN YOUR AREA, It would help us folks a lotIn closing its great that I dont have to shop at Fry's anymore ha ha

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I want to go to New York
Feb 14, 2006 4:49AM PST

In NY The selection of AV stores and the prices are second to none. However Only the big chains are out here CC BB Costco WAL/SAMS. So I have to do most of my shopping from my PC. But you just cant beat the experience of a world class AV store, typically you must hear and test all of your componets. So online is a bit of a gamble (stick to brands you know, read as many reviews as you can, make sure the return policy is rock solid)

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make sure the return policy is rock solid)
Feb 14, 2006 4:55AM PST

Costco wins this one. John

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Crutchfield
Feb 14, 2006 5:55AM PST

No problems. Not being A/V savvy their tech support spent a lot of time walking me through Onkyo hook-ups. They are a little higher, but no tax and free shipping. Pretty sold rating at resellerratings.com.


Tom

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Local HiFi stores + custom installers
Feb 16, 2006 2:06AM PST

I bought my speakers, receiver, cables and TV from "Showcase," which is part of the Tweeter family. I bought my DVD player from a hole-in-the-wall A/V shop that's run by a couple guys who build their own HiFi speakers. However, I shopped at more than half a dozen HiFi stores and local custom installers.

For higher-end gear, there is absolutely no substitue for hands-on experience. As prices increase, the incremental improvements get smaller and smaller. There's no way to know what's right or best for you and your setup by reading someone else's review.

Even assuming I knew exactly what I wanted, I would never order high-end equipment over the web for a few reasons:

1. If something breaks, returns will be easier to a local store. A/V equipment can be very heavy and pricy to ship. Do you have to pay for returning your item? How long will it take? What are the policies? As gear gets more expensive, I'd be more inclined to work with a local salesperson than some web site.

2. Local shops will be qualified to install and configure your equipment for you. This may sound like no big deal, but they have the equipment to measure sound levels, color temperatures, etc., to make sure your setup is configured optimally. The more you spend, the more important it is to get the most out of your gear.

3. Upgrade / exchange policies: I don't know how web stores work, but all of the HiFi retailers I've worked with have outstanding policies for bringing in your older gear and upgrading to the latest technologies. As HD technologies continue to evolve, this could be advantageous (swap out your old receiver for one with HDMI, for example).

The one exception to the above might be cabling, since it's relatively uncomplicated, inexpensive, light enough to ship, and not going to become obsolete. Happy

Cheers!
Speleo.

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I might have a few answers
Feb 16, 2006 3:50PM PST

1. for you "concerns on returns" most companies I deal with have a hassle free return policy (B&H photo is one of the highest ranked online retailors of any industry). Als your credit card gives you double coverage. split that with the shippers policy and you should feel pretty safe.
2. configuration, is something that youve stumped me on..in my defense I was talking about speakers.
3.upgrading, is something Im not privy to in my town so enjoy it, though some websites offer these types of deals

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I buy from Midnight Video Supply
Feb 17, 2006 4:34AM PST

...from the trunk of a car. Best prices! Happy

Actually, I had purchased a lot of my better gear from local shops (no longer around) where, if I had a problem, I could bring my piece of gear in and physically check it with their help. Once they went bye-bye, I bought some stuff at Costco, BB, CC or online. I feel a little like I'm on my own now, in a row boat with one oar, in the middle of the ocean. I miss the local speciality shops and the security I had with them.

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Speaker setup...
Feb 23, 2006 5:03AM PST

Hi, techfiend.

The importance & difficulty of proper configuration / setup varies with the type of equipment you're installing. I think speakers probably fall somewhere in the middle. Stuff like cabling requires pretty much no expertise (unless you're talking in-wall runs or something), and some equipment like DVD players are probably simple enough for tech-savvy people to navigate the menus and get the right settings. On the other extreme, front projection systems can require a TON of fiddling to get everything perfect, including getting a matching a screen with the right reflectivity, precise & sturdy mounting, and even stuff like measuring color temperature and tweaking "service menu" settings to get everything just right.

For speakers, one of the first considerations is placement. Standing towers or bookshelf speakers placed too close to walls or other surfaces may distort the sound, and the speaker angle may affect sound imaging (how realistically 2D or 3D the sound seems to be). If you're using a subwoofer, getting the right crossover point to smooth out your bass can be tricky, too. Then there are room issues--any resonant frequencies, etc.? Qualified installers will know ho to check for all of these things.

I got myself a sound-pressure level meter from Radio Shack for < $50 and used that to measure for bad frequency responses & set my sub crossover. I basically SWAG'ed my speaker placement with a tape measure & recommendations from the manufacturer. I might not have an optimal setup, but it's plenty good for now. Some day I'll be ading a front projector to my theater, and for that I'll be seeking some professional help, probably from a CEDIA installer. I'll get them to look into my speaker placement / setup, too, to see if I've missed anything or done something dumb. Happy

Cheers!
Speleo.

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This is my first "real" setup
Feb 23, 2006 2:55PM PST

This is the first time I have put together an entire full size speaker system. I use the JBL northridge line for my Front Towers and the center channel. I bascially went with the instructions as well. However when it came to the center speaker, I own a microdisplay which has a great flat screen, but it slopes steeply behind and can not support my speaker. So I custom built a shelf to support it. I went to home depot and bought some non-industrial looking brackets painted a shelf flat black and aimed towards the couch. Im still feeling it out, but am overall satisfied.

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Center speaker ideas....
Feb 24, 2006 4:30AM PST

It might be interesting to see a thread on speaker placement from someone with installing experience like sirroundsound. I think I'll start one....

My center channel has its own custom stand, which will be highly convenient once I replace my TV with a projector, but for now the center channel sits in front of my TV stand (and sorta blocks IR signals to my DVD player). Happy

The shelf sounds like a pretty good idea, provided it's sturdy & the center channel doesn't transfer vibrations to the shelf. I've also seen center channels placed below displays on TV stands, for example. The center channel's most important job is dialogue, so as long as it doesn't sound like voices are coming from the sky I think you're in good shape. Happy

Cheers!
Speleo.

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TECHFRIEND MORE SPEAKER INFO.
Feb 25, 2006 8:16AM PST

I had my Atlantic Technology center channel speaker on top of my old 65 3 tube Sony lots of room Well I just bought a new 72HM195 Toshiba d.l.p t.v. and had to put it uder the screen on the glass shelf It seems to work out well the sound from the center seems to balance great with the two main speakers sound like you have a great set up have a nice weekend stewart

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I want to post some pics for better understanding
Feb 25, 2006 8:32AM PST

This is like trying to describe a painting. My setup does work quiet well. but If someone cant hear it they should at least be able to see it. I elevated the back of the center on a shelf above the TV. Their is no vibration and I used rubber gromets for the elevation, so no movement either. The center weighs 22lbs so I dont even know if I even needed the pre-emptive work. I personally felt I had better aim from above than below. What do you guys think

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the 'good' stuff vs. online
Feb 24, 2006 3:34PM PST

If you seek an experience beyond what the big boxes sell, I sure hope you have access to a metro area with experienced independent seller of the finest brand components you can reasonably consider. Hopeless to try to buy better speakers without spending quality time listening critically. In fact, ridiculous. That's so subjective yet so important. For a serious listening rig i'd recommend maybe 50% of the total budget be for the best possible speakers. Component technology upgrades quickly; well chosen speakers stay around for decades.
Re: NYC online. It is real - certainly a major center for sellers, both fine and shysters. For your sake check for scarce meaningful feedback of sellers at ResellerRatings.com. I value their feedback so much. Anybody know of any other meaningful clue to separating the wheat from the chaf? (which really does include shyster sellers of the first water.) I've bought often from NYC area since before internet. Some of the absolute best sources ( like B&H), and the illegitimate, too. ResellerRatings is invaluable to separate the two.

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You must research!
Feb 24, 2006 4:47PM PST

As Ive stated earlier get as many reviews of a store as you can. Call the store; are they well read? do they know their merchandise.
If you are not sure of an online retailor try an amazon scan for their reviews. They are at times blistering life savers from a bad retailor, they also give the retailor a chance to address the quelms. The only bad online experience Ive had was outside of this field and from ebay.