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Where are we headed?

by FMCook / December 6, 2014 8:45 PM PST

I read articles saying that cable is on the way out and will be replaced by the streaming services and I can see the logic, but I don't see the equipment. Currently I run DirecTV through a receiver to get surround sound. I have a Roku to access the streaming services. I see ads for smart tv's and the new receivers are starting to show a new version of Dolby surround sound, but I don't see devices that do everything you'd want in a world of streaming media without cable. TV's tend not to have audio out with the full surround sound signal. Receivers build in streaming audio services but I haven't seen any incorporating the receiving video services. Will we see TVs that build in a proper amplifier and inputs for a full set of speakers or receivers that handle streaming video and include a hard disk or will computers replace receivers. Am I missing something that's out there now or coming soon that will turn a signal on the internet into a full home theater experience?

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by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 7, 2014 2:08 AM PST
In reply to: Where are we headed?

In some crappy rule of HDMI HDCP the "analog hole" was plugged badly which meant that many sets can't pass HD audio if the source is HDMI. Some TVs read the rule differently and passed it anyway or paid the fee.

So no. The rush to copy protect has blocked the path. No, there is no technical reason why what you asked for could not have been made.

And before you flame, get over it? The current system can work but there are folk that rail against receivers, optical links or such.

And no. No TV will have a 5.1 amplifier to drive speaker directly for a simple reason. I'm sure you know why.

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by FMCook / December 7, 2014 12:18 PM PST
In reply to: Never.

I don't understand why a TV wouldn't ever built in full support for sound. and if not the TV, why not the DVR?

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That's another question?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 7, 2014 12:59 PM PST
In reply to: why?

Sorry but we know that HDCP rules forbid this or that. Some audio is forbidden to be sent over optical as well.

There is no technical reason so some folk can't wrap their head around the answers. Such as "dem's the rules."

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that helps
by FMCook / December 7, 2014 10:10 PM PST

I wasn't really aware that there were rules, but that helps frame my question. My DirecTV box certainly has full audio out - at least I assume it is full but maybe it is limited to 5.1 while a BluRay player has 7.1. But you say audio rules, is there a rule that prohibits the receiver makers from incorporating the video streamers the way the BluRay players and smart TV makes have done or are the rules only about audio?

Maybe my real question is whether it is time to upgrade my receiver or do I need to wait to see which devices will really support ATMOS? Am I going to want to continue to route my video through my receiver for the foreseeable future to get the full audio or is the time coming when some other device will handle the sound and I won't need a receiver? I sure don't need it to listen to over the air radio.

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So far
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 8, 2014 1:11 AM PST
In reply to: that helps

I see no TV having the full receiver/amp built in. That would be a market failure today and they would have to make it in sizes from what? about 20 to 60 inches so all that effort and the lower sales would drive the cost up again. Vicious cycle isn't it?

OK, the setup that sidesteps the audio restrictions is:

Source -> Receiver -> HDTV.

There is one relief in the rules for OTA HD AUDIO to be sent over optical however DD+ is a miss for many reasons. That is so well done you can find prior discussions like

There's plenty more where that came from.

It's either:
1. Rules.
2. A truly technical issue.

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I would hold off on the ATMOS for now
by Pepe7 / December 8, 2014 1:29 AM PST
In reply to: that helps

It's always a good idea to let them work out some of the kinks before upgrading to a receiver which can process/handle ATMOS encoded content.

IME and NSHO, most people haven't even yet maximized the capabilities of their current rigs (5.1 & 7.1). They cheap out on the installations when upgrading initially, and completely forget about properly calibrating their HT system, especially the audio part. Focusing on speaker placement can go a long way IME to improve the overall sound.

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I think that maybe the wrong conclusion.
by Oldartq / December 7, 2014 3:53 AM PST
In reply to: Where are we headed?

I think sound is the least important in watching tv for most people. I cut out cable because what I get out of it is not worth what I paid for. It's that simple for me. As for internet tv (free), I have never try it so I don't know if I like it or not. As I have said before, Netflix was all I need or it's worth the money that they charge. But if the price keep going up...then who know. Don't get me wrong, I like surround sound...but I didn't watch cable because of that.

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importance of sound
by FMCook / December 7, 2014 10:13 PM PST

I suppose I may be in the minority but sound is very important to me. I think my brain is just tuned to me more concerned with audio than video. I take your point though as the device makers want to market to the broadest possible market.

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