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When will you start using Windows Vista?

Apr 26, 2007 6:03AM PDT

When will you start using Windows Vista?

I'm already using it (How do you like it?)
I'll upgrade soon (When?)
Maybe within the year (Why?)
After a year (Why?)
When I'm forced to (Why?)
When Microsoft stops supporting XP
Never (Why not?)
I don't do Windows (What do you use?)

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Only if forced to...at gun point.
Apr 28, 2007 12:46PM PDT

I am still running Win2k Pro at my office. Why? it is stable, it runs the apps I need and works with my hardware. I may upgrade to XP Pro if I get new HW. I am sick of Microsoft cramming inferior, undeveloped OS's on the public via retail vendors, then releasing agizzilion SP's and HotFix's based on customer feedback (complaints). I have my MCSE x3 now and do relish hitting the manuals again.

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Never I hope
Apr 28, 2007 8:29PM PDT

The only reason people (not gyks) used to rush out and but new versions of Windows, was because the previous versions were unstable. XP is stable. I've been using XP PS1 & 2 for 3 years and it has never crashed. Microsoft have shot themselves in the foot this time. For my needs XP is fine, I'm using a ten year old scanner with it, something Vista would certainly not let me do!

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Well Done! Microsoft!
Apr 28, 2007 8:58PM PDT

I have just bought a HP m8090d with Windows Vista Home Premium last week. Windows Vista does have compatibility issue but it is not very serious. You can get rid of that problem very easy. All you have to do is use the latest version of different softwares. Many software vendors may not like to make their softwares of old version to be compatible with Windows Vista. All programs run well on my pc. All of my drivers of my hardwares could be installed correctly on my PC. I see no reason to refuse Windows Vista. Windows Vista is far more stable and secure than Windows XP. It has hundreds of new features which are not available in Windows XP. It has much more stunning User Interface. Indeed I am using Windows Vista right now!

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I don't know
Apr 28, 2007 10:33PM PDT

I don't exactly know when I will update to Windows Vista because Windows XP satisfies all of my needs just now, and has been nothing short of flawless, especially since I got this new computer at the end of last year. I don't need a new computer and I don't want to break the bank on buying a new OS.

XP works just fine for me and I don't want the headache of upgrading. Happy

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vista
Apr 29, 2007 1:02AM PDT

Upgrading is a matter of keeping your equipment upgraded. I purchashed a HP laptop against my gut feeling ( not an HP fan ) and shocked myself when I upgraded to vista business. VB came with far more programs, and allowed me to dump the old operating system right out of the disk clean up.( not to mention a lot of other unwanted HP stuff!) I've had 1 compatability issue with a 3 year old program and it's something I havent bothered checking for upgrades because I dont use it. Bottom line, if you business has a accounting program that is tied to XP, thats one thing, but I remember everyone whining about XP when it came out! Sorry people, upgrade your graphics, pump up your ram, and come out of your cave, or just get a core 2!

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I have it
Apr 29, 2007 2:38AM PDT

I purchased a new HP and it came with Vista. I am undecided at this point. I have another PC with XP so if I run into any problems with running something on Vista I simply use the other PC. So far the only problem I have is my 4-in1-printer from Lexmark. They already have the driver available on their site for me printer. I downloaded the driver and installed it and currently I have three of the four features available to me. I could not get the software for the printer to install correctly and thus I cannot scan documents into my pc but I can fax, copy and print with ease. Other than this issue I am pretty much overall happy with Vista so far. Let just hope I stay this way. I am an online college student thus my PC's are essential to my learning. So as long as all my college programs work on Vista then I will stay happy as i do not really want to be forced to have to use the other PC (it has XP but it also has a lot of other bugs and needs to be reformatted right now and I do not have the time nor the inclination to do it).

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Never
Apr 29, 2007 4:00AM PDT

I will be switching to Mac this summer... and never coming back. Buying Vista is just trading pains with XP.

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Using Vista
Apr 29, 2007 9:53AM PDT

I went through some of the beta and got busy and didn't continue. I have Vista business loaded now on my main office machine and am loving it. It is very intuitave and has corrected a number of problems lying below the surface that I new were there but hadn't spent the time to trouble shoot. Like bad memory chip.
It is sad to read all the nay sayers that can't change or just like to bash the big guys. All I have left to do is to figure our how to disconnect the original drive and eliminate it. I went with the clean install plan and it is still dependent on the original XP some way for booting.

Happy computing Jack

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Jumping out of windows, switching to Linux
Apr 29, 2007 10:47AM PDT

So, windows runs on approximately 95% of systems worldwide (depending on whose numbers you believe). Is this a GOOD thing? US antitrust laws broke ma bell up, and the jury's still out on whether that was a good thing. But consider that with Vista, Microsoft has broken its habit of releasing an "update" that will work with "most" systems purchased in the past few years. Statistically, Vista WON'T work with most of these systems "out of the box" --they STILL need hardware upgrades. Microsoft critics charge that this is the beginning of a trend where Microsoft will begin to dictate what systems manufacturers will produce and when consumers buy new (and in turn how much you will have to pay to stay on the Microsoft bandwagon).

AND then you still have to buy many of the applications you want to use, and they are NOT cheap, either. I find that with each new release of Office Pro, I have to learn more "work arounds" to override what Office THINKS I want to do (erroneously). With each software update, I often have to tweak something in my system to continue to use ALL of my software because of a change for "security" reasons.

Microsoft is an industry leader --in terms of giving the end user less ability to tailor applications to their own needs AND in terms of cross-platform compatibility. That means that a product you buy to work on Windows won't work on a Mac or Unix or anything else AND vice-versa.

Ah, security. In the last few years, the major producers of internet security products for Windows products got together and came to an agreement on what constitutes an annoying pop-up. I used to be able to combine (carefully, of course) Microsoft's own security measures with my choice of another brand of internet security (set selectively) plus my ISPs tools --and have only a few pop-ups per week. NOW, however, I have at least ten per hour; probably because all three utilities are using the same definition of an annoying pop-up. In my opinion, this agreed criteria of what should be blocked has actually served to provide a neat way for pop-up senders to know what WILL get through. And much of what gets through seems to be advertising...a Microsoft product. I don't feel I am as safe from spyware and other malware since this coordinated approach to computer security began, either.

Microsoft has historically been very weak in terms of security for two reasons. One generally has to do with how the many individual programmers that work on the code that comprises one program work together; there have traditionally been "holes" in the way the individuals' work is blended that leave easily exploitable openings for malware--this also has led to Microsoft's reputation for selling a product they know doesn't really work. They sell it to you hoping that few people will suffer before they can get an update out to you. So, you are PAYING (a lot of money) to be a guinea pig and find their errors. The second reason Microsoft products are historically weak in the security department is that Microsoft is targeted my malware (etc.) authors more often than other operating systems; WHY??? Microsoft's first operating system was QDOS. Rumor has it that stood for Quick and Dirty Operating System because they STOLE it and profited from it, leaving the original authors in the dust. Rumor has it that this module of doing business persisted for some indeterminate time. Do you want to support a mega-corporation monopoly that treats people this way? Well, plenty of programmers just don't like microsoft for that reason alone, let alone the questions of how well their products actually serve the end user, and, rumor has it THAT is why microsoft is frequently targeted by malicious coders. I really wish authors of malicious code would consider that the people really hurt by their actions are not directly microsoft, just people who USE microsoft through no fault of their own. Imagine if their talents were put to GOOD use instead...

I'm tired of paying for expensive upgrades with increasing frequency. I'm tired of a mega-corporation monopoly telling me how I can work with something I PAID them for in the first place. I'm tired of having my free choice of what equipment and programs I buy dictated by Microsoft. I'm tired of buying product that doesn't work. I'm tired of building a lean, mean system equal to almost anything you CAN buy today--and then windows doesn't like my system so I can't use their newest operating system AND knowing that the clock is literally ticking on the software I currently have because it will continue to need support (due to the way it was made) but Microsoft won't continue to support it, or release a "final" update that will make it truly self-sufficient--it's like supporting a junkie.

I'm switching to Linux. The distribution I've selected is...free. Updates are...free. Almost any application I want is...free. A few other applications I might want are...reasonably priced. The products work, and I can alter them to fit my needs. Security is...much better than you might imagine, and if someone else (like my young nephew) messes something up on my computer while he's using it, his mistake doesn't affect me, and I can still fix his use of the system, too. Software conflicts are...infrequent and usually easy to fix. AND Linux has user group communities available locally (worldwide) and on the net to help me master the whole programming thing, so I can become entirely self-sufficient. What am I giving up??? At this time, only tax preparation software, and that may change, too. Linux generally doesn't crash. There are no registry keys to experiment with. It works. Currently, there are emulators available that will run software for other platforms on your Linux machine (although Microsoft is trying to stop this).

Is Linux for everyone? Increasingly, YES. There are bare-bones distributions for super-geeks, but there are also very user-friendly distributions for even my Grandmother, who is NOT a super-geek. Don't take the Microsoft hook just because you don't know what else to do... find a Linux User group in your area, show up, make some friends, and learn about your options. Why use a system that will just suck money out of your pocket and make you more dependant, if you have a choice?

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Way to Be Dork Girl! I Have a Question.
Apr 29, 2007 11:51AM PDT

I must agree with all your points. I currently use Mac, but am increasingly interested in Linux. I love Mac, but it would be nice for me to know Linux too. I know there are various versions. Since I am not a code writing geek but more of a heavy user, what is the most user friendly version of Linux? I have ordered a free copy of Ubuntu recently but have not received it yet. Is this a version your "Grandmother" can use? When I do get Ubuntu Linux, I am not sure what type of hardware it can be run on. I have an Intel Mac. Would it work on a partition on my laptop's hard drive or should I find a budget PC somewhere?

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ubuntu rocks
Apr 29, 2007 1:16PM PDT

i had no idea what i was doing, if you need help just google it theres plenty of support on it on forums too so go for it, id say for saftys sake just buy another hard drive and dual boot it, so you dont have to repartition your normal hard drive. if you can put beryl on it it's amazing

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Have Vista
Apr 29, 2007 11:34AM PDT

Hello all in techworld,

I have Windows Vista Home Premium on a new custommized PC purchased from Hewlett-Packard website. I really didn't have choice in the OS because my old pc had Windows ME on it and was on its last leg and I had to get one in a hurry. So I have never used Windows XP, so I can't compare it to that.

However, I can compare it to Windows ME. It was really frustrating at first because I couldn't find anything. But eventually, I found my way and I am split on it.

As for as compatibility problems, I only had a couple issues with Vista. My Canon MP530, would not work. I contacted the company which sent me links to update the drivers for the various functions, (copier, fax, scanner, printer). After I downloaded the updates and integrated them in Vista, the unit works just fine. Second is that my Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed Game won't work. But an earlier version of Need for Speed: High Stakes, will work. Weird.

A tip for all, after much research in what version of Vista is the best, I figured that Vista Home Basic was just a waste of money. So you better off going with Vista Home Premium.

Over all, I will say that I have a 60/40 love/hate relationship with Vista. It just depends on the day. But they will never come out with a better operation system than Windows 98 Second Edition. It was the best. Thank you.

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i wont inlessi have to
Apr 29, 2007 1:11PM PDT

i got UBuntu with Beryl for when i need a graphical OS that i love and windows XP for functionality i wont go to vista unless i absolutaly have to...

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What am I to do?
Apr 29, 2007 5:13PM PDT

I have used Vista for the last three months. Every time I boot I come across this message : "Download and install the driver for Toshiba Value Added Logical and General Purpose Device. This problem was caused by TVAL & GP Driver was created by Toshiba Corporation. Download and install the driver from the manufacturer's website. I went to the manufacturer, but the technician gives me excuses and is not attending to it. How can I fix this problem? I am unable to syncronise my handheld with the laptop.

Thanks in anticipation.

Hassan

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Maybe within the year!
Apr 29, 2007 9:55PM PDT

I wanted to buy a brand new PC. My AMD 2600+ is started to get old, the mobo only supports AGP and my Geforce FX7800 won't work with any newer motherboards since everything is PCI Express now. I'm a gamer, and pretty soon, it will be the right time to get a brand new PC. Games like Crysis or Hellgate London are 2 games I'm highly waiting for, and I want a PC that will be able to run those 2 games at the highest possible resolution without any frame rate drops.

And since the new PC I'll be getting is going to be 64-bit, wether I like it or not, I'm going to get Vista! Makers of the game Crysis already mentioned they are optimizing the game engine for 64-bit and Vista! Same goes for Hellgate London.

Windows XP was great, it was my favorite OS I ever used, and I went from DOS 6.0, to Windows 3.11, to 95, ME, 2k and XP... and XP was awesome! But it's still getting old. I don't want to be stuck a year later where many applications require Vista and I still have XP. Also I want to get used to Vista! It took me a few months to learn how XP really worked, where all the configurations were hidden and how to tweak it to work like I want it! It's going to be the same with Vista! The sooner I "play around" with it, the more comfortable I'll be with it when it really becomes a standard.

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long ago, in an operating system far away....
Apr 29, 2007 10:21PM PDT

We will switch to Vista at work in a year or two. Now that my daughter carried away the desktop from home, our household is Microsoft-free. Our computing needs are met by Dreamlinux on a laptop, although most other distributions would be fine, too.

If you have a computer with Vista Home Basic, start looking for a local linux User's Group.

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Windows Vista---Upgrade?
Apr 29, 2007 10:58PM PDT

If anyone can tell me what advantage I will gain by buying or upgrading to Vista at an exorbitant price. I wil upgrade, but as of now I can't see any useful reason to make the change from XP Professional.

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Vista
Apr 30, 2007 12:50AM PDT

I want to start by saying that I am a customer associate specializing in computers. When customers come to me with the intent of purchasing a new computer, I always warn them of the possible drawbacks of getting a computer with vista. Although this does discourage many of the customers and I deal with and they choose to purchase either a XP model or from a different chain, atleast they will not be suffering from what I call "Post-Vista Stress Disorder".

I have had a Vista enabled laptop for about 2 weeks now, and so far, it is running great. I thought it would be hard to get around with all the new features and such shoved in, but it has been amazingly great to work with. At first, I decided that I would upgrade in 1 year, but instead decided to purchase a laptop and I don't regret it.

For all those who have been tricked, misinformed or mislead into purchasing a machine with vista and are now regreting it, you are not alone. Many of the people I know share your problems. I just try to do my part when selling computers to the average person about the current risks of upgrading to vista!

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Bought a Vista computer to test the OS
Apr 30, 2007 1:13AM PDT

I have been using Vista on a Toshiba laptop for the sole reason of testing and investigating the new OS. If you don't try to go beyond the basic pre-installed software, things function fairly well (although even some of those required an update to function). Ready boost is a hassle, and installation of Vista drivers are hit and miss. Many major graphics programs will not function at all or correctly, so as an architect, I won't go near it at my office.

Basically, I've told my less adventuresome and knowledgeable friends to leave it alone for now. That means don't buy any computer through the normal consumer channels since you won't have a choice. Perhaps when MS realizes that many consumers and most businesses are sitting on the sidelines, it will hasten Vista SR-1.

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Probably never. Would rather convert to Apple.
Apr 30, 2007 2:49AM PDT

This is very much UNLIKE the release of XP. There was so much to gain with XP and I adopted it immediately in our company and never regretted it. It made my job as IT Manager easier and it was a faster OS than 98 or 2K. We had everything to gain and nothing to lose. XP Pro runs on our computers with very little maintenance and I have fewer issues with it than with the Apple Macs that our graphics dept use. Even with the more bloated SP2, I am still very happy with XP Pro and think it's the best OS yet created (when considering available software, hardware, reliability and ease of use).

But I almost purchased Macs to replace my aging PC's in my photography studio (my second job as a photographer). I had to upgrade my machines this year and when I thought I had no choice other than Vista on new PC's (I don't have time to build my own anymore) I was ready to go with new Macs until I saw that Dell offered the choice of XP or Vista. So I went with new Dell PC's running XP Pro. I can continue to use all my existing industry specific software and don't have to adjust to the Apple OS. However, if the time comes that MS decides to force us to upgrade to Vista by ending their support of XP, I will probably change to Apple.

Why do I dislike Vista?

Vista appears to be more about security for the music and movie industry than a legitimate software upgrade. All the legitimate security upgrades are already available with free or cheap software (zone alarm and similar programs). I already honor copyrights. I'm a photographer and I appreciate and support copyright protection. But Vista and some of the other recent Digital Rights Management solutions are very frustrating. I dislike the way we're being treated by the industry giants.

Also, Vista is slower, it hogs more resources. I am a heavy Photoshop user and I want to maximize my resources to be available to Photoshop.

As long as MS continues to support XP, I'll remain a MS user. If they fix Vista, or do as they did with ME and just drop it and come out with a legitimate upgrade I'll upgrade. And if they continue as they have been doing, I'll convert to Apple. I would love to switch to Linux but the software I need is not available.

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If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It.
Apr 30, 2007 3:20AM PDT

I haven't even upgraded my home computers beyond Windows 2000. At work I use XP Pro, on faster machines, and haven't found any significant difference in performance between my machine at work and my Windows 2000 machines that are running with slower processors. All I see Microsoft doing for the past 7 years it to take a standard platform (NT) and keep piling on bloatware and dumbing down the O/S which require more hardware resources just to keep from running slower than older machines.

The only vista in my future is from the new Grand Canyon Skywalk.

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When I'm Forced To
Apr 30, 2007 6:38AM PDT

Don't intend to use VISTA until I'm forced to.XP works great with all my hard ware and I'm not a rusher for new stuff just because M$ says I should.

:-/

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I'll never used Vista!
Apr 30, 2007 11:08AM PDT

I never tried using vista but based on those who used it theres a lot of incompatabilities.The programs runs too slow like what they said.One more, a word document in vista does not open in office 2003!I'll prefer to used Xp Pro.

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Re: I'll never used Vista!
May 3, 2007 10:21AM PDT

first: I have a new slate of a computer cause my old XP computer was on its last leg (dead video card and dying motherboard). I haven't had the slew of problems with the new system and Vista that so many people seem to be having, I had more trouble with XP. my old computer only gave me a little bit of trouble -- i wanted to be sure i could install Vista on something before getting any new parts -- and it gave me some trouble until i removed the one offending piece of hardware: my sound card.

secondly: "a word document in vista does not open in office 2003"

you're not comparing two pieces of software of the same type. Word 2007 is available for XP, i use XP and Word 2007 on my tablet. the compatibility problem you're running into is that Word 2007 uses a new .docx file format which Word 2003 normally doesn't know what to do with. Microsoft has released a set of patches to allow the Office 2003 suite to read the new Office 2007 formats.

Compatibility Pack Link: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en


also note: you don't often hear about people praising Vista in the news, forums, etc, probably because the people who aren't having trouble aren't typically watching the forums looking for solutions or people in similar situations, making things seem more than a little negatively biased

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I am happy with Windows Vista too!
May 3, 2007 6:48PM PDT

Maybe only a few people could praise Windows Vista. I am praising Windows Vista right now in this forum. Why am I daring to use Windows Vista? I remember long time ago, I heard people talk bad about Windows XP. They would not recommend me to use Windows XP. Once I started using Windows XP, I found that I would not swtich back to Windows ME or Windows 98 again. Rumors don't represent the fact. It's good to hear what people say however we should be able to differentiate what is the truth. I remember Paul Thurrott, a beta tester, test it himself and praise it. I will not mention about the features of Windows Vista. You can find out them on Microsoft Web Sites.

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vista
Apr 30, 2007 11:46AM PDT

I've been using it for about 2 months now. I definately see the difference...More crashes and hang ups. However, networking seems to be quite easier. My xbox 360 works flawlessly when networked with vista which is kindof cool. Mouse problems with certain softwares are very annoying but I think I'll just wait it out till they shake out all the bugs.

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VISTA
Apr 30, 2007 11:15PM PDT

I need to purchase another computer and I am sorry I did not do so before Microsoft launched VISTA. I am totally satisfied with XP and see no reason to hang new wallpaper on top of a perfectly good OS.
I am glad to see that Dell will be offering a choice of XP or VISTA. I will be visiting their web site often in anticipation of that offer.

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Hopefully - never
May 1, 2007 3:39AM PDT

I have XP pro and an Apple laptop. When the XP machine gives out I'll go with Apple for the next desktop.

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A lot of crabby people out there !!
May 1, 2007 7:40AM PDT

I am convinced that mostly people who've had problems with Vista are the ones responding to these polls; out of frustration or whatever. If your Vista is working fine, you probably don't bother going to these forums, or answering these polls.
Mostly people with gripes, I think.

Anyway, I've been using Vista for some months now, and I absolutely love it! does it work perfectly with every peripheral and old software? No, of course not. didn't expect it it.
Should you expect to run out and buy the latest operating system the day it comes out and have everything work perfectly? of course not.
You people are idiots for thinking you can just switch over without any hitches. when has this ever been the case?

and besides, whose fault is it when Vista drivers are not available immediately? blame the manufacturers of these software programs and hardware, not Microsoft. Oh, but everyone loves to pile on to Microsoft, don't they. it's the cool thing to do.

So suck it up, wait some months for manufacturers of hardware and software to catch up, and then enjoy the wonderful advantages to this great operating system.

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I agree
May 1, 2007 2:22PM PDT

I have used Windows Vista Home Premium since one week ago. I found that it was easy to learn and use. Don't try to use your old habit while using Windows Vista. It is a whole new OS which has its own rule. All you have to do is adapting the new environment. If you do so, you have to admit this new environment is much more better than ever before. You will never ever to harness the power of Windows Vista without suitable hardware as well as software. Try to get the latest hardware and software. Before I use Windows Vista, I have used Windows XP since 2004. I didn't buy an upgrade version of Windows Vista to be installed on my old machine because I know that my old machine is not powerful enough. Hey! Guys! You should not keep complaining on the new product. Instead, the problems you encountered may actually were not because of Microsoft but your old habits.