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when will teachers stop raising our taxes?

May 26, 2006 4:26PM PDT

have you ever noticed that folks who get paid by taxpayers never worry about their next raise and bountiful benefits. school taxes here up 7.8%. school taxes have gone up here 300% in 15 years. not bad for a part time job. this article is from 2003, taxes continue to rise. school taxes are 63% of my total property taxes.
my school district enrollment k-12 is 400+/-. rural, good kids. good academics and discipline.

teachers are getting golden apples

from the hoover institute

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Part time job?
May 26, 2006 10:24PM PDT

One - usually it's not the teachers who are the cause for bloated school budgets, it's the school boards and administrations.

Two - Besides the student, who/what is the most important factor in a school? The teacher. Put me in the middle of the woods and I can teach.

Three - Many states now require graduate degrees for long-term certification of teachers. Just as doctors, lawyers, accountants, are paid for not only the job itself but the preparation, so should teachers.

Four - Responsibility. I'm responsible for the actions and learning of 20-30 students while they are in my classroom. I cannot fire them or even have them transferred to other classes (barring extreme circumstances).

Five - The "Part-time" job myth. The teacher work day is often longer than comparable professionals due to grading, preparation, and the lack of significant breaks during the day. I'm lucky if I get to eat my lunch for 20 minutes in peace. I do not have other breaks, nor can I just sit there for 5-10 minutes to rest. I am at school about 8 hours a day, but routinely take my work home. As for the holidays and summer break, the time spent teachers spend working is just a little less than similar professionals once you work in their vacation time.

Six - I spent approximately $600 dollars from Sept - Dec for materials and other expenses for my class.

Seven - Rather than just bashing a group of dedicated and underpaid professionals, why don't you try their job for a day. Ask a local teacher if you can observe them, or register to become a substitute teacher.

Oh, and as for the inevitable poor-teachers-not-doing-their-job argument... this applies to any profession, including your own. If we were all paid according to the efforts of the worst in our fields, I don't think there would be a job that paid more than $30,000.

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salary issues
May 26, 2006 11:09PM PDT

''but routinely take my work home.''

I find this absolutly mind boggling how employees are treated with regards to salary.As opposed to taken the work home,do it on the clock.Pick an arbitrary figure such as 10 hours a week at home,the way i see it is thats 10 hours OT.

I noticed companies trying to get over more and more.Some want the emplyee to provide a work vehicle and/or work for salary which is for a managerial position.not labor.I wiil not work 60 hours and get paid for 40.Get another sucker,i'm not the one.


Regarding summer break,i don't know if teachers can collect,if not they should be afforded this benefit.

Tom

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The "part time job" dig ...
May 26, 2006 11:27PM PDT

... pretty much renders your post not worthy of reply. I know a lot of school teachers, and I would never consider their job part time. Their hours -- re: #days worked/year -- ARE good, but that is balanced to large extent by the work taken home, and often requirements to supervise extracurricular activities and/or attendance in "continuing education" seminars, etc.

I'm not sure where all the money is going, but in large part it's NOT the teachers. There's a 65% solution movement out there gaining some ground.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-04-10-65-percent-solution_x.htm

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the question was not about dedication
May 27, 2006 12:32AM PDT

I have noticed from the results of student achievement; the student who answers the questions correctly, in my school district, receives the highest grade.

our school board is voted in to office by eligible voters in our district. they are not paid.
administrations are bloated as are almost all tax payer funded occupations.
teacher expenses for continuing education, supplies for classes, etc. are tax deductible.

all forms of work require additional training, etc. for the worker to advance and excel in their occupation. most workers are not protected from being fired.

when you are dissatisfied with the performance of other professionals; you hire another.

I have not experienced any protests by teachers regarding their salaries during the budget process.

I notice in 'pie chart' breakdowns, the smallest slice is given directly to the student.

I dug up this school calendar from Baltimore. It looks vary similar to our school district. I did not count the days but if you read it; you will find an answer

school calendar 2005-2006

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It would be helpful ...
May 27, 2006 12:43AM PDT

... if you would hit the "Reply" button at the bottom of the post to which you are replying rather than answering yourself.

Your subject line premise is inflammatory from the get go -- it's NOT teachers that are raising your property taxes. Although the teacher's UNION usuallyhas a pretty influential finger in the pie. IMO, ALL government employees ought to be shocked back into the real world of merit/compensation/job security. But the teachers themselves are SMALL potatoes in the equation here.

Teachers should NOT ahve to buy supplies for classes. I don't get that, but I see it done all the time. Chains like Office Max even have teachers "perks" cards so that you get discounts on the stuff. Taking $250 off your income doesn't save much in taxes, BTW, and it's still $250 out of pocket (and then some) that shouldn't be needed.

I'm not sure about dr, but I brought up the continuing education because of the TIME involved (e.g. to counter your "part time job" crack).

I'm with you on tenure. But you have to institute a merit-based pay scale as well.

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it is hard work to reply
May 27, 2006 12:51AM PDT

to three replies individually. I shall take your suggestion and consider it. thanks