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When Govt Favors Refugees Over Citizens - Germany

by James Denison / October 10, 2015 7:50 AM PDT

Are they really trying to create the climate for a new Hitler to rise up there in Germany?

Woman evicted from her home of 23 years so refugees can have it for housing instead.

"Gabrielle Keller and her neighbours are being kicked out of their properties by the local council because a mass influx of refugees need housing.

Ms Keller, who lives in Eschbach, Germany, received the eviction notice last month informing her that she must vacate her government-owned home.

The council revealed it is going to use the house - in which she raised her two sons - to provide additional accommodation for refugees because the town's three shelters are too full.
The move is the second of its kind, after 51-year-old nurse Bettina Halbey was kicked out of her home in Nieheim, north Germany. "


"REFUGEES BEFORE CITIZENS! Move aside citizen, you matter less than these foreigners in your own country!"

I wonder how that would go if we did it in this country? "OK, all you blacks here in this public housing unit in the Bronx will be evicted, because we need it for all these Syrian refugess that Obama is bringing stateside. Move!"

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RE: I wonder how that would go if we did it in this country?
by JP Bill / October 10, 2015 12:20 PM PDT
I wonder how that would go if we did it in this country? "OK, all you blacks here in this public housing unit in the Bronx will be evicted, because we need it for all these Syrian refugess that Obama is bringing stateside. Move!"

I can imagine some would not object.
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Like you?
by James Denison / October 10, 2015 5:06 PM PDT

Since it wouldn't affect you, being not in Canada.

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Re: Like you?
by JP Bill / October 10, 2015 7:22 PM PDT
In reply to: Like you?
Since it wouldn't affect you, being not in Canada.

It affects me as much as people in Germany being evicted affects you.

Of course...you to are also "not in the Bronx"....and probably will NEVER have a reason/urge to go there.


Are they really trying to create the climate for a new Hitler to rise up there in Germany?

I'm interested in knowing what Hilter had to do with removing German citizens from their apartments to make room for refugees.

Did Hitler do that...kick German citizens out of apartments and put refugees in those apartments?
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It was the resentment of those they considered
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 11:20 AM PDT
In reply to: Re: Like you?

foreigners among them which lead to the Holocaust. Read history.

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Response
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 12:16 PM PDT
Hitler kicked Germans out of apartments

I guess you mean the Jews? Hitler considered Jews...Germans/citizens?

The fact these "citizens" that he removed from apartments were all Jews was a coincidence that caused the Holocaust? And had nothing to do with how candidates for removal from apartments were selected? They were just unlucky?

So Merkel is creating a potential Hitler?

Would you consider anyone that would ship certain groups of Americans of to distant lands also a Hitler?
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It wasn't just Jews
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 6:39 PM PDT
In reply to: Response

Again. Study history rather than so openly proclaim your ignorance of it.

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Canada
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 6:47 PM PDT
In reply to: Response
"Would you consider anyone that would ship certain groups of Americans of to distant lands also a Hitler?"

You mean like all the draft dodgers in the 60's who ran away to Canada?
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RE: You mean like all the draft dodgers
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 7:08 PM PDT
In reply to: Canada
You mean like all the draft dodgers in the 60's who ran away to Canada?

No...I was thinking of your idea of shipping homosexuals and lesbians to a distant island.
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I'd be just as happy
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 9:04 PM PDT

to send them to Canada, maybe New Brunswick even. You could call them "refugees' and Kees could refer to them as "citizens", and nobody would care since they are all confused anyway.

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RE: I'd be just as happy
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 9:16 PM PDT
In reply to: I'd be just as happy

No you wouldn't....

You're crying about something that is happening in Germany...Thousands of miles away from you.....worried it might come to America....New Brunswick isn't THAT far.

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you are so confused now
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 10:00 PM PDT

You are chasing your tail. You try to be so contrary you end up going full circle sometimes.

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BTW...Hitler didn't "kick people out of apartments"
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 12:32 PM PDT

He sent them to concentration camps.

The fact their apartments were no longer occupied was a problem the landlord had to deal with.

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so you believe
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 6:56 PM PDT

they WEREN'T kicked our pulled out of their apartments and maybe just decided on their own to visit some concentration camps? That's really a stretch, even for you JP.

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RE: That's really a stretch, even for you JP.
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 7:40 PM PDT
In reply to: so you believe

YES...It would be...but you're the one doing the stretching.

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RE: It was the resentment
by JP Bill / October 12, 2015 4:52 AM PDT
It was the resentment of those they considered foreigners

Not unlike what I think you are doing..

IF/WHEN "THEY" are gay or homosexual you consider them to be foreigners/not citizens of America...You have a "resentment" of people that don't meet your standards and must be removed from the country.
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like I said
by James Denison / October 12, 2015 5:38 AM PDT

You need to learn the definitions of some words. Work on that first before replying. A society has a right to moral standards and that's why we prosecute pedophiles, prostitutes, incest, rape, and various other sexual crimes, and we should STILL include homosexuals in those too.

So, quit confusing and accusing all foreigners as homosexuals, it's as stupid as comparing homosexuals to blacks as a condition of birth, as if being born black is the same as being born homosexual, and the latter for which there is absolutely NO evidence thereof, and quite the opposite EVERY evidence it's environmental or choice. I'm really sick of all their lies and those like you who endorse them.

Eventually all this will turn around, a revival, whatever it takes, and then what will be the end of those who count it a pleasure to frolic in their disgusting behavior and shove it in front of everyone else? Whatever happens to them, will by then be totally their own fault, and deserved.

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Re: citizen
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 11, 2015 1:03 PM PDT
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article147154375/Wenn-Gemeinden-Fluechtlinge-gutgeschrieben-werden.html tells a detail James forgets to tell:
"Gabriele Keller habe kein Recht auf eine subventionierte Wohnung. Und es stimmt ja: Vermietet wurde die Wohnung damals bewusst an eine alleinerziehende Mutter mit zwei Kindern. Also an jemand Bedürftigen."
which translate to
"Gabriele Keller had no right to a subsidized apartment. And it's true: the apartment was rented at the time aware of a single mother with two children. So to someone in need."
Now her children have left home.

It was a decision taken in March when a Christian Democrat (like Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel) was mayor of the town.

When a refugee seeking asylum has got that asylum he is considered a citizen (although he may not vote). So it's not a question of refugees before citizens. It's the one citizen (a family) before another citizen (a single woman).

Kees
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(NT) Well that should clear up any confusion
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 1:26 PM PDT
In reply to: Re: citizen
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Refugees
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 11, 2015 2:36 PM PDT

Angela Merkel is quite clear about her position: her CDU is a Christian party, Germany is a Christian country, so it's their Christian duty to help the needy. A point of view that some socalled Chistians in the USA can take as an example, don't you think?

Kees

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agree Kees.
by Dafydd Forum moderator / October 11, 2015 2:49 PM PDT
In reply to: Refugees

The view taken should be humanity's problem, not individual countries problems. We should reach out to all in need no matter what creed.
Dafydd.

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Considering God
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 9:08 PM PDT
In reply to: agree Kees.

created "nations" and deliberately scattered them from Babel when they chose to be all united as a single people, it seems your arguments to the contrary fall flat. Add to that when He obviously decided to create Israel from the Hebrews he brought out of Egypt and also forbade them to have anything to do with many of the nations he was casting out before them in Canaan, it seems a second time your arguments fall flat. You know, it seems God doesnt' agree with you that much at all.

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Indeed ...
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 12, 2015 12:14 AM PDT
In reply to: Considering God

conquest and occupation often are justified in the name of God. It's easy to get followers and supporters that way. Not really different from what IS does at the moment.

Kees

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Sin
by James Denison / October 12, 2015 5:40 AM PDT
In reply to: Indeed ...

Sin sinks a nation. Sin angers God. God removes their right to exist as a nation. That nation then is removed and another rises in it's place. That's God's way.

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Yep.
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 12, 2015 10:26 AM PDT
In reply to: Sin

When Germany occupied The Netherlands in 1940, our nation was removed. That's God's way. Luckily, 5 years later, we were liberated by the USA and Canada (and Russia in the East) and our nation was restored (many thanks). That's God's way also. He saw He had been wrong. We'll never know why He made such a big mistake.

Or is something wrong with my story?

Kees

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I can tell you what some believe
by James Denison / October 12, 2015 11:01 AM PDT
In reply to: Yep.

That 2 thousand years had passed by since the Jews were driven from their homeland. Zionist believed Hosea chapter 6.

"Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us. "He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him. "

the 2 days there they interpret as 2 thousand years. That's indicated also in both OT and NT.

Psalm 90
…3You turn man back into dust And say, "Return, O children of men." For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.…

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Zionist believed it was time for "Aliyah" or return to Israel, to Jerusalem. In the 30's when Hitler came to power they even encouraged him to pressure the Jews there to emigrate to British Palestine, but then the Brits cut that off to a very few at the urging of the local Palestinians. Of course then the Zionist began actions in Palestine against the Brits, with bombs and killings.

Germany did begin persecution of Jews, but instead of going to Palestine, they fled into other European countries, where many of them later again fell under Nazi rule and we know how that ended for many.

So, was God calling them and they refused the call? Prophecy seemed right on and history has put an Israel back where it was before, seemingly where it was never expected to be again, except by some who were considered radical or errant in their belief. It seemed never to happen until almost the time it did.

Jews still ask themselves why God allowed what happened with the Holocaust. Maybe that's why, because they refused the call to return?

Romans chapter 11 talks of a time the Jews will become united in Jesus with those who are his followers, obviously at a second coming. It says they will be grafted back to the rootstock of the olive tree from which they'd been cut off.

Christians also realized for Revelation to be accurate, at some point the Jews had to be back in Jerusalem and in control of the area for the Final War to happen. Now that stage is set.

There's more depth to it, that's a very brief outline of it.

Wherever the Jews went, that's where Hitler and the Nazis followed, so there's one reason Netherlands were invaded too.

Spiritual forces are not easily seen nor understood, but that's why we have prophecy, to recognize those movements in the times they happen, and to remind us it's all been told before, therefore God.


Ephesians 6:12King James Version (KJV)

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

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I agree with you.....and Merkel
by JP Bill / October 11, 2015 7:12 PM PDT
In reply to: Refugees

James is the one that has visions of Hitler, James also claims to be Christian...I thought your post would clear up any confusion he might have.

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you can't understand
by James Denison / October 12, 2015 11:05 AM PDT

because your fleshly mind is blinded by the darkness of this world, which you embrace. Rebellion is darkness, and being contrary to God is rebellion, and you are a very contrary minded person.

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Re: understand
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 12, 2015 3:25 PM PDT
In reply to: you can't understand

I only have to replace "God" by "Allah" and i hear an mumbo jumbo of words that could be spoken by any Islamic fundamentalist.

"because your flashy mind is blinded by the darkness of this world, which you embrace. Rebellion is darkness, and being contrary to Allah is rebellion."

Let me be clear: I don't mean you personally. It's just a general "you".

Kees

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the difference is;
by James Denison / October 12, 2015 3:42 PM PDT
In reply to: Re: understand

I'm not trying to kill anyone who disagrees. That may be a small difference to you, I don't know. What I do know is Jesus said;

Matt 12;
31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Compare that to the Muslim reactions to those who "blaspheme" their rapacious and murderous prophet. Insults do not harm Jesus, only the latter day weaker prophet is harmed by them, and we know who inspired him, the same one that overcame him in the cave, the same one who possessed him, like a demons does.

So, don't waste time trying to make comparisons beween the two, nor those who follow them, because there is very little comparison.

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are you confusing the words
by James Denison / October 11, 2015 6:42 PM PDT
In reply to: Re: citizen
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