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Whatever we're doing in Iraq

Mar 10, 2005 12:54AM PST

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(NT) (NT) Amen!! Me too! Toni, Me too :))
Mar 15, 2005 1:01AM PST
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Once again, your words.
Mar 15, 2005 12:45AM PST

Not based on anything I've stated.

Dan

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Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said:
Mar 13, 2005 3:13PM PST
>>The ultimate weakness of violence
is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate....
Returning violence for violence multiples violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.>>


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Fantastic!
Mar 13, 2005 3:23PM PST
Happy
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sugest you read and learn
Mar 13, 2005 10:53PM PST
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sugest you read and learn
Mar 14, 2005 12:41AM PST

I don't open anything posted by Evie. I'm surprised anybody does.

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well as you are the typical loser ill gladly post it for yo
Mar 14, 2005 2:15AM PST

The Second Draft
A roundup of the past two weeks' good news from Iraq.

BY ARTHUR CHRENKOFF
Monday, March 14, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

The Wall Street Journal's Bret Stephens has written an intriguing piece about how media can--and often do--get it wrong:

The clich

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Afraid you'll learn something?
Mar 14, 2005 9:59AM PST

There's nothing like a closed mind that has no reasoning ability to support it.

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(NT) (NT) he would have to and the otheres eat crow
Mar 14, 2005 10:01AM PST
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So! Can YOU say[b]: ...[/b]
Mar 14, 2005 4:08PM PST
"... only love can do that.". ??????

I bet you can't...

Devil Devil Devil Devil

... but I could be wrong.


I'm as glad as can be, that good things are being done by our troops for the people in Iraq. I REALLY am. And that there are people there, who can move on and appreciate it. Praise where praise is due! So to my question. What of Martin King's premise? Care to elaborate a bit on it? It may gurge you less than you think. It may even feel kind of like... cleansing.


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and
Mar 14, 2005 9:17PM PST

i will say this he was a great man.

but if he was alive and went over to iraq b4 we removed saddam and his scum dr king would put out his hand and they would have cut it off.


and you say the blacks here arent better off now nothings perfect but weve made great strides in race relations.

off course we still have problems were not perfect, but ill stick to the usa b4 any other country

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(NT) (NT) "usa b4 any other country" Me 2, buddy!
Mar 14, 2005 11:29PM PST
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(NT) (NT) well your on the right track keep on thinking that way
Mar 14, 2005 11:58PM PST
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Never thought any different,
Mar 15, 2005 12:44PM PST

but if you're offering encouragement, thank you,,, I guess.

Just to remind y'all, W ain't the USA any more than Bubba was. We keep getting accused of hating America when it's really the besmirching and the lowering of what I consider to be the core of our goodness that I'm objecting to. Y'all don't have an exclusive lock on loving America. Do you love Clinton? If not, how do YOU square THAT with so loving the USA?


I'll give you a close enough on the "only love can do that" thing. Some encouragement for you.

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i never said i "loved clinton"
Mar 15, 2005 12:53PM PST

he was an embarasment to the usa.

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(NT) (NT) and a terrible example to our children.
Mar 17, 2005 12:05AM PST
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and yet the bush haters praise this man lol
Mar 17, 2005 12:11AM PST

shows how low they have to go

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I don't hate Bush...
Mar 17, 2005 9:45PM PST

I just don't like him. Wink

I don't hate people I dislike. Hate and dislike, in any case both are just one of the many seasonings I choose not to add in my recipes. It gives you heartburn and the output gives you terrible gas.


cl

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You want low? It's low you want?
Mar 17, 2005 1:26PM PST

And stirling examples of righteous behavior for the kids, you say?

Impeach The Impeachers!
Sinners Resign!


Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL-6) chairs the House Judiciary Committee which impeached President Clinton. Hyde holds the Olympic Gold Medal for hypocrisy. He claims to be the "conscience" of the House, but concealed his own affair and called for an FBI investigation of the source when it was revealed. He claims to champion "family values", but his affair with a married woman broke up her marriage and left her husband embittered. He supports the political "death penalty" for President Clinton's affair, but claims a "statute of limitations" for his own. He claims to support "the rule of law", but testified as a "character" witness for the godfather of anti-abortion terrorism, Joseph Scheidler. He claims that Clinton's trivial lies are a grave threat to the nation, but vigorously defended Oliver North and other perpetrators of the grossly illegal and unconstitutional Iran-Contra scandal. He claims "no man is above the law", but used his position of power to avoid prosecution for his role as a director of the failed Clyde Savings & Loan, which cost taxpayers at least $67 million. Hyde will serve as the chief prosecutor of President Clinton in the Senate trial - but he is the one who should be tried and convicted.

Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX-22) is called "The Hammer" for his ruthless exercise of power. DeLay shuns the limelight, but he is unquestionably in charge of the House of Representatives, even though his official position of Majority Whip puts him third in rank. DeLay engineered the election of his little-known deputy, Dennis Hastert, to be Speaker following the withdrawal of Bob Livingston; Hastert had previously managed DeLay's campaign for Majority Whip and worked directly under DeLay. DeLay, a former exterminator, is a master of the political black arts of extortion and blackmail, and fellow Republicans are terrified of crossing him. The national press corps is terrified of him also, because they have failed to investigate his illegal fundraising and blackmailing techniques. ...

Rep. **** Armey (R-TX-26) is the second most-powerful man in the House of Representatives, the Majority Leader. A former college professor, Armey has been accused by the Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.

Rep. Dennis Hastert
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Rep. Bob Barr
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Rep. Dan Burton
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and on and on and Newt and Bob Livingston and and and. I never wanted to be a Clinton defender. In fact I'm still not. Not really. It's the contrast in scope and scale of his crime compared to those of his allegators. I mean, DAMN!!! WHAT HYPOCRITES!!! I didn't see any of THEM volunteering their sexual peccadilloes (and not so petty sins) up for public consumption. And so Clinton lied. Man. I EXPLODE!


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I'll vote for you!
Mar 17, 2005 3:42PM PST

Man, you got me all excited there for a few minutes!

Happy

Then I remembered, the hypocrites are in control, in charage and in lock step.

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Not a one of those ...
Mar 17, 2005 10:02PM PST

... had those "private issues" in public office. I note the list also had to resort to some paper's accusation Sad

The Clinton thing was NOT about sex.

Evie Happy

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(NT) (NT) Yep, it wasn't about sex. It was about a witch-hunt.
Mar 17, 2005 11:32PM PST
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It was about perjury.
Mar 18, 2005 12:51AM PST

His subsequent sentence showed that.

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In a case that never should have come to court!
Mar 18, 2005 1:47PM PST

Regarding testimony ruled irrelevant to that case by the Republican judge. After 50 gazillion dollars worth of scum diving.

Sauce for the goose... DO YOU HEAR ME? Such empathy challenged excuses for human beings!

I EXPLODE AGAIN!

The harm was in sticking this crap in the face and up the nose of every 5-year-old boy and girl in the whole blasted world! Not in the act and not in the lie.
------- YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LIE ABOUT A BJ!!! ------

Paula, I do not believe was traumatized beyond recovery. I mean, the showing of the instrument in this type of situation is more politeness than torture. How many first encounters does the woman have the privilege of a viewing before application, and THEN the option (which Paula took) of refusal? Not many, I dare to guess. Sign of a gentleman with a sense of fair-play and humor about himself I would call it. At the very least, 'No harm, no force, no foul.'

And theeeeeeeen these hypocrites come parading in, in their worse soiled britches, with what? A ********! No whitewater. No travel-"gate". No FBI files. No IRS harassment's. No rape. No sexual harassment. No murder... No NOTHING! Just an over-reaching need to win at any cost, and without regard of their own short-comings or even, crimes. Witch-hunt gone amuck, pure and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. A true embarrassment, in that it showed the real heart of the W-rong half of Americans.


Empathy! Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander! But Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
And so it goes here domestically among ourselves, and so it goes internationally.

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Tell it to the judge who sentenced him. You don't get to lie
Mar 18, 2005 2:51PM PST

to avoid a sexual harrassment charge and damages, and Paula wasn't the only woman who experienced Bill's 'charm'.

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You have a very warped view ...
Mar 18, 2005 9:01PM PST

... of male/female relationships.

You are not SUPPOSED to lie about anything Bob. You are SUPPOSED to carry out your duties of office, in office, and SUPPOSED to honor your vows to your wife.

The rest of your rant is just torturous Sad

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(NT) (NT) witch hunt he was a liar, an adulterer, and was impeach
Mar 18, 2005 12:57AM PST
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and Acquitted
Mar 18, 2005 2:13PM PST

impeached.

To make an accusation against.
To charge (a public official) with improper conduct in office before a proper tribunal.

To challenge the validity of; try to discredit: impeach a witness's credibility.

Impeached but Acquitted

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hmmm so you say
Mar 18, 2005 11:49PM PST

Behind a backdrop unique in historical terms, on Saturday 19 December 1998, President William Jefferson Clinton was impeached by the United States House of Representatives, becoming only the second President in U.S. History, and the only man popularly elected as President to have been so charged.
The House voted 228 to 206 to approve proposed Article I of Impeachment (Perjury before a Federal Grand Jury), and voted 221 to 212 to approve proposed Article III of Impeachment (Obstruction of Justice).

Although the impeachment process succeeded at the level of the House of Representatives, without the Senate's confirming action in this matter, no further action was taken.

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without the Senate's confirming action in this matter,
Mar 19, 2005 11:20PM PST

It's a two part system, and both parts must be met.

So it's ALL or not at all