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What would you do: fix or buy a new computer?

Apr 21, 2017 5:40PM PDT

Hi! I am not tech savvy so here goes. I have a 2010 Dell system with Windows and Outlook. Lately, I have been getting a blue screen with lots of wording and telling me to contact my system administrator. I did take it to my computer guys who checked it out, kept it several days and said that the hard drive and inside components are fine. My computer guys also provide my internet connection and do service on my systems when I need it. After over a week of testing, they said that they also experienced a blue screen and said it might be a Windows problem. One of the guys said that maybe if I change to a Solid State Drive and reinstall Windows (I have them do all my backups) this might work – at a cost about $350 total for a 500GB solid state drive and labor. Also said that if eventually my computer dies, I can take out the solid state drive and use it on a new one. I would need to also reinstall all my programs such as Outlook, etc. Cost for their one-week diagnosis and testing the computer system was $95.


Big question: The computer is a 2010 Dell 8100 SPX Studio with a 2010 Outlook Professional program. If I spend $350 plus what I have already spent, I am out $450. What if this does not fix the problem? I typically get my computers at Costco. Should I instead get a new system which might cost $1K more or less? What would the techie world do? I continue to periodically get the blue screen (like every other day or less) and just shut it down and start again and usually it is OK for the rest of the day. I am learning to live with the inconvenience and have thought of continuing this until I can no longer breathe life into it. Thank you.

--Submitted by Carmen L.

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external hard drive
Apr 30, 2017 12:23PM PDT

"the click of death", google it. Better get a new one and transfer data NOW.

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Yup DId that!
Apr 30, 2017 12:58PM PDT

Yup I did! I still have it connected via USB and after awhile it got quiet and seemed to have sorted itself out. But then it got noisy again so I shut it off. Off to the trash it goes! So glad my pC is happy again.

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another consideration re Microsoft applications..
Apr 30, 2017 1:08PM PDT

I don't know if its been mentioned or not, but Microsoft tends to drop (and/or screw up) software a lot which is not always realized until an upgrade occurs and is too late. My home MS Publisher 2007 can do CMYK publications, but 2013 at work can only do RGB. My favorite quickie super simple photo editor is Microsoft Picture Manager. It's gone in later versions of MSO. These are just two examples. I'm sure there's many more! So part of your decision is how heavily vested you are with your existing software or willing to find alternatives..

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Very true..
May 2, 2017 11:10AM PDT

This is why I did my Win 7 upgrade that way instead of a clean install. Turned out what most people call "junk ware" is very valuable to me, and in fact are no longer available without paying a big price. I saved myself a LOT of money by simply selecting "upgrade" during the installation process. Later on if I find all my applications work, I feel free to run the Windows system clean up to free up a very large amount of space on my drive by getting rid of the extra files left behind by the upgrade process. Even a newbie should be able to do this, although the words I use here may not ring a bell.

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Simplify and get a new system
Apr 30, 2017 8:13PM PDT

Simplify and get yourself a mid-range Windows laptop from HP, Dell, or Microsoft (these three seem to do best with updates and drivers)
. It doesn't sound like you have many requirements, outside of Office and Outlook. Current systems running Windows 10 and Office 365 are a pleasure to use and are light years ahead of what you are working with. Convertibles are good, especially for reviewing documents or pictures. With Office 365 you'll get 1 TB of cloud storage, so your files will always be backed up (you can also use this for your pictures and your music). Cortana is a plus. Good luck.

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Not so fast. Several things to consider . . .
Apr 30, 2017 10:02PM PDT

. . . but a spider's web for a person not tech savvy. 2012 was the water shed year as goes new technology, 64-bit computers to wit. Her PC is most likely still 32-bit capable. Horses of a different colour. Come to think of it, this difference in tech could be the cause - as in my case - of the endless Win 8.1 and 10 forcible upgrades with the added hassle. I'm on Mageia 5 Linux now which leaves you more freedom, yet again needs that your are somewhat tech savvy.

Oh by the way, the environment around my PC has gone dead quiet as goes incessant upgrade nags and the like. Bliss. One or two re-installs of about a day each, but that's because I get my dirty little fingers into it and keep on trying new things.

I think you should choose between the hassle or starting all over again with a clean computer. With say Win 10 installed off the shelf it could be you will not see all the hassle others have after upgrades. Another thing; do you use your PC for commercial purposes? If yes, how much time and productivity have you lost in dealing with your current issues? Actually that even goes for social environments as well. It also escalates into a subconscious preoccupation just because of the knowledge it might just do it again! At just that critical moment! And the data loss!!! AAARRGH!! Even if you do backup religiously. You backed up just 30 minutes ago on the dead line thing, got the critical argument just right and as you click Save, CRASH! Nice. Just Jim Dandy.

Thanks for the reminder. Ubuntu may just be a good solution. Find a LInux crowd in you area and speak to them. there are hordes of sites on the Net where you can get good advice; Stack Exchange with a whole raft of them. Ubuntu, Linux Mint et al. All very helpful on your questions, no diploma's needed.

Then, my advice to women. You may not be tech savvy, but that's because you've never been told.

[We're seniors, but I taught my girl to run and manage her PC. She could only read e-mail. Deathly afraid of anything else. Should see her now!]

Anything one man knows can be taught to another. If he cannot explain the subject in simple language, he does NOT know the subject. If he has an attitude, so much the worse. The Linux world is full of women. Magtelt Garrels, Marja and Sophie on Mageia's Hexchat freenode chatline. When I did a programming course decades ago, there were five of them at least. Later lots more. The fact that things puzzle you says one thing only; you've got a good mind and do not just take gaff for sweets.

Get tech savvy, girl. Go! You can do it.

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I have to fix it and fix it myself!
May 1, 2017 3:35AM PDT

Definitely not buy a new one. Unfortunately you say you are not tech savvy.
Personally i wouldn't take it to the repair either.
I do computer repairs myself so if something is wrong with my computer,
i have to figure it myself whats wrong. I just have to know whats going on!
I even started a blog.

Blog promotion removed by moderator.

Post was last edited on May 1, 2017 3:54 AM PDT

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just go out and buy a new one computer altogether
May 1, 2017 6:34AM PDT

'' just go out and buy a new one computer altogether''.

In the long run it's cheaper, faster andway less hassle to buy a new pc

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$450 is a high price to refurbish with 500G SSD
May 1, 2017 7:40AM PDT

Any repair estimates or total costs over the 50% current value are negative "false" economics in my opinion. Consideration should be weighed on the data value, including your personal data collected.
The shop estimates, that your favorite Tech Shop has quoted, are high, and seem opportunistic.
Blue screen halts are out of bounds transitions created by faults in data transfer timing and are caused by an initial issue. SMART registers are not always accurate for HDD or SSD health. GPUs and (over)heat issues are more prevalent, even in Dell Latitude lappies (especially ones with non-Intel GPU's in my opinion and experience). In many instances, software and not hardware, caused the halt (in a post fault DMP examination). For example, I am able to bring on BSOD with some test condition overclocking, and I have one motherboard connected to a bus analyzer that clearly shows how the board reacts to bad bus timing, but that the root cause is usually a combination of issues .
Windows 7 Pro (and Win8.1) runs just fine with Core2Duo. Each situation is different.
For Business, a Laptop is a (money making) tool, and the obsolescence and amortization *should* be 36 months. (Many large organization IT policies are based on 36 months of global agreement and OEM source support).
Is $350 for a 500GB SSD reasonable? That seems a bit high on initial cost, even with (very simple) installation , OS build, and data migration. Perhaps I am out of touch on the current market because I have my own private Lab.
You have backed up data: this was the best insurance you had invested to protect the real value of personal historical data. This is and was the real value and that is not lost. Great.
Can you migrate just the personal data (on your own) to an equivalent or better system for (less than) $1K?
I mentally divide total cost of a new Laptop or Desktop by 3 and decide if the features and benefits are worth the expenditure over each of the next three years, while I am at the initial demo, before payment, in silent justification of the replacement system.
I tend to keep old lappies for optical drive {legacy} access (any CDRW, DVD-RW's written?) and because I have experience with personal computing from 1978, do my own refurbishing, retaining some residual value of the lappy.
If the XPS 8100 desktop has i7 core, even if it is the 2.93G model, I would try to retain that core with
Win 7Pro (my favorite) or LinuxMint for other purposes. i5 and i7 are still very useful Intel CPUs.
If the older core has valuable *parts* , some residual value can be extracted, such as a Laptop screen/inverter/driver assembly; recovered parts can produce significant disposal sale revenue (but with an increased 'sweat equity' on the owners part).
My 37 years of hardware and software experience also teaches that there is a time to "let go". I recently tried to find a 5.25" 1.2Mb Floppy Drive (old PATA /AT ISA style 1/2 height) and they are all gone to the scrap pile.

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Do not spend the money to fix it
May 1, 2017 10:53AM PDT

This is a very easy decision for me. $350 for the recommended upgrade is way too much. You are better off buying a new system. You can get a much more powerful and modern desktop for under $500. I would check Slickdeals to get a sense of what constitutes a good deal.

Or you can bring it to me and I'll perform the same upgrade for you for $150 including parts and labor. Happy

Has it been determined you actually need 500 GB of space? You could get a 250 GB solid state drive for under $100.

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I forgot to mention
May 1, 2017 10:57AM PDT

Has it been determined the old hard drive is bad? If not, a clean reinstall of the OS should fix the problem. Granted, adding an SSD will you give a nice increase in performance, but it's probably not required to repair your computer. Value wise, the best setup is a small SSD plus a large mechanical hard drive.

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Correction
May 1, 2017 11:00AM PDT

"give you," not "you give"

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To upgrade or not
May 2, 2017 10:10AM PDT

It sounds to me the BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) is caused by a corrupted file within registry or system files. I would recommend upgrading to Windows 10 by using the disability route to get it for free. Just run the compatability wizard, let it install, and you shouldn't have anymore issues. Once installed you can go into the C drive and delete Windows.old folder if you don't plan on going back to your old OS. This will be the cheapest route to fix the BSOD and something you should be able to do yourself without paying more money or losing any data (though I recommend backing up all of the files you wouldn't want to lose.

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How to get Windows 10 Free
May 2, 2017 10:15AM PDT

Here is the link to upgrade to Windows 10 for free: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/accessibility/windows10upgrade
Though this seems like a sneaky way to obtain the upgrade without paying, Microsoft wants all machines running 10 and still give it away without questions. I have even upgraded illegitimate copies of Windows 7 to 10 with this upgrade and Windows 10 activated with a legitimate key. Hope this helped.

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That was what I was wondering..
May 2, 2017 10:59AM PDT

If I had known where to look, I would have recommended the same. Knowing DELL and their support, I wager there are already Win 10 drivers offered for this laptop. As it was built in 2010 it is likely the operating system should work. S/he would have to record the Office 2011 product key so that can be downloaded and installed; although the installation of Office may survive the upgrade. Many of my applications have made it that way.

I agree that this method is way easier than trying to chase down the bad driver that may be causing the BSOD, and it would also probably take care of most malware in the process. They would theoretically be trapped in the "Windows old" folder in the root directory. It is easier to do a recovery by factory partition on the old operating system than the new one however. Win 10 makes you jump thorough a lot of hurdles in that regard. But an inexperienced user could do the DELL system recovery rather easy if they follows the instruction posted on the DELL site, as follows:
To Restore Your Computer From The Windows Recovery Environment:

1. Restart your computer
2. While the computer restarts, press F8 to open the Advanced Boot Options menu. If the Advanced Boot Options menu does not open, wait for the Windows logon screen to appear. Then restart your computer and try again
3. Select Repair My Computer using the Arrow keys and press Enter to open the Windows Recovery Environment
4. On the first System Recovery Options window, click Next to select the default option
5. If you are prompted, log on as administrator to continue
6. On the Systems Recovery Options window, click Dell Backup and Recovery
7. In the Restore System window, select the backup file that you want to use to restore your system from the drop-down menu and click Next

Your computer will restart and the state of your restored system will be the same as the selected backup

Personally I'd restore backups using the Wndows 7 file backup system, but this method may be easier - the DELL site has easy instructions on how to do the backups as well. This user should take advantage of DELL's excellent user support porthole and simply enter their support key, which is written on the outside of the case.

Here is one link where I got the instructions:
Image partition Recovery Methods<br>

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Probably time to buy new
May 2, 2017 10:45AM PDT

Carmen,

It sounds likely to me that reinstalling Windows onto a new SSD will fix your issue, but I still think it may be time to purchase something new. Costco generally has some great pricing on desktops, so you could get something in the $900-$1000 range that would be vastly superior to your current PC after upgrades given the advances in PC hardware over the past 7 years. Then, you're all set for another 6-7 years (hopefully) rather than just extending the life of your current system.

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$900-1000 is too much
May 3, 2017 9:39AM PDT

Carmen, what kinds of tasks do you do on your computer? I ask because very few people need to spend $900-1000 on a desktop. If you're just doing the basics like web browsing, email, Outlook, YouTube, etc., a ~$500 desktop should be sufficient. Here is an example of a past deal listed on Slickdeals:

https://slickdeals.net/f/10088072-dell-inspiron-3650-desktop-i7-6700-16gb-ram-2tb-hdd-amd-radeon-r9-360-wifi-dvd-rw-599-with-f-s?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

It was going for $600 but even that one is overkill for your needs.

That particular system did not come with a solid state drive, and I would recommend getting a system with a solid state drive because it really makes a difference in overall performance. To keep the price low, you can opt for a slower processor and less RAM, and maybe even a less powerful video card. In most cases, an SSD is more important.

Here is an example system I would recommend for you to give you a sense of what constitutes a good deal:

https://slickdeals.net/f/10040000-acer-aspire-tc-780-desktop-pc-intel-core-i5-7400-16gb-ddr4-256gb-ssd-win-10-529-99-free-shipping-newegg?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

However, if you can fix your current system for $150 or less (including upgrading to an SSD), I would choose that over buying a new system.

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BSOD
May 8, 2017 2:43PM PDT

YOU need more RAM. ADD A STICK OF RAM MEMORY

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8Gb ram is baseline
May 8, 2017 2:53PM PDT

You need 24Gb for heavy duty graphics. Easy install

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Put $350 toward new system...
May 11, 2017 9:19PM PDT

Past experience with BSOD was precursor to hardware failure...the mobo died a couple of days later.

First, backup all your personal data off the computer if you haven't already done so.

Second, if you haven't made recovery discs for your Dell system, get some blank DVDs and do so. They can reinstall the system from those recovery discs if you choose to spend $350 for the SSD and their labor.

I'd put the $350 toward a newer system myself. Even if you let them put the SSD in that older system and reinstall the system, and then you reinstall your applications, you might still encounter a BSOD and likely have to buy a new system in the end. If that happened you could still put the SSD in the new one as second drive or get enclosure for it to be an external drive. You might be able to get a newer system that has an SSD as the primary drive.

Good luck.

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May or may not be hardware....
May 15, 2017 8:34AM PDT

I was having regular bsods on my aging Dell Inspiron 531 using W7. I installed Speccy and found that my graphics card was running fairly hot. I swapped my graphics for a slightly better NVidia card discarded by a friend which ran cooler but I still had occasional bsods though much less frequently.
I eventually upgraded to Windows 10 and suddenly bsods decreased markedly
and since the W10 AU update I have had no bsods!
My problem could have been some compatibility issue solved by MS or the fact that I have left the side panel of my PC for better ventilation. Who knows!
Before you spend money run diagnostics on the hard drive and memory and install a free program such as Speccy.