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What's your opinion about solid-state drives today?

Jul 18, 2014 9:56AM PDT
Question:

What's your opinion about solid-state drives today?


I asked this question a couple of years ago and I'm curious to know if opinion is more pro or con today. Will your next computer have a solid-state drive (SSD)? Or maybe it's time to ditch that spinning conventional hard drive (CHD) in your current computer for a SSD. So what's holding you back? Here's my short list of advantages/disadvantages of a CHD vs. SSD.

Price - Price per GB, the CHD is still more cost-effective than a SSD - Advantage: CHD

Capacity - 128GB to 500GB are the sweet spots for SSDs; a 1TB SSD can be found on occasion but may be cost-prohibitive. CHDs, on the other hand, are plentiful all the way from 256GB to 2TB at a reasonable price point. - Advantage: CHD

So based upon price and capacity, why consider a SSD? The following is meant for the average user...power users may have greater needs:

Speed - SDDs have significantly faster boot, read, and write times - Advantage: SSD

Durability - SSDs have no moving parts, produce less heat, and will survive a drop under normal circumstances in a laptop (although the laptop casing may not) - Advantage: SSD

Noise - With no moving parts, the SSD is noiseless - Advantage: SSD

Design - SSDs can fit virtually anywhere. A CHD would hard-pressed to fit into a MacBook Air - Advantage: SSD

(Note: The storage in a MacBook Air is considered Flash, which is smaller in physical size than an SSD)

Fragmentation - SSDs do not fragment as do CHD's. Advantage: SSD

(Note: Earlier SSDs were susceptible to simply put "dead" sectors from file deletion, which would render that portion of the drive unusable over time...that phenomenon has been resolved by a technology called TRIM, thus increasing the lifespan of an SSD. The average to moderate user, IMO, need not be overly concerned about the lifespan of a SSD vs. CHD)

SSDs are here to stay, and I'm a fan. I can only hope they continue to improve and become more affordable. Let's hear your opinion on this subject, be you a technical expert, a potential buyer, a current user, or someone still undecided. Thanks!

--Submitted by Aaron J.

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Not a waste of money
Jul 25, 2014 11:35AM PDT

SSDs are never a waste of money. Most of them are much more reliable than most hard drives, they give off much less heat, they make NO noise, they use less power, and the difference in speed adds up to getting a lot more done in a day with a lot less frustration. The price differential is really not that significant anymore except in the case of SSDs that have a capacity of a terabyte or larger.

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Time is money
Jul 25, 2014 11:31AM PDT

SSDs boot faster, load apps faster, and load and save data files faster. That "little bit" of time you save adds up in a big way. It's not a matter of patience as much as it is a matter of efficiency.

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I'm using an SSD on this machine
Jul 18, 2014 5:06PM PDT

When I acquired this machine (a late XP laptop from about 2004/5), I did several things. I updated memory to 2 GB, I fitted an 80 GB SSD and I loaded 64 bit Xubuntu (12.04 - I'll be updating later this year when I'm happy most of the bugs are out of 14.04), one of the Ubuntu group of Linuxes, so I could start to get my head around Linux. I may be 67 but that's no reason not to learn a new and free OS. The machine is lightning fast. From boot to on the Internet is around 15 secs!. I leave it turned off except when I'm actually using it, as I can think of no better way of ensuring that it isn't being used in any way, without my knowledge.

I like rebuilding laptops - it's a hobby my wife wants me to expand into a moneymaking business -. I have a Samsung laptop from 2001 which I have extensively rebuilt. It now sports a Pentium 4 chip instead of the venerable Celeron there was in it when I got it. Like many laptops, the official maximum memory was way under what the gadget can actually handle, it is rated at 256MB max but is currently happily running 1GB. I also fitted an ancient 30 GB IDE SSD. It too is running Xubuntu 12.04 but only 32 bit, as it doesn't have dual processors. It runs well and boots in under a minute. The default date on BIOS for this machine is 1999! SSDs can make a very significant difference to the speed of running an operating system.

Since I can't fit two hard disks in either of these machines, big data is stored on an external HDD of 1.5 TB. The point for me is that the onboard system is simply running the computer. It needs to be as fast as possible. I do very little that needs me to have ultra-fast access to massive files. For most uses this setup is very effective and very fast and I would recommend it.

I've never used an SSD with Windows so I can't judge what advantage there might be in doing so. My wife has a MacBook Air and an iPad both with SSD equivalent disks and these too are very fast but from the words often emanating from her, (I don't do MACs or OSX) there are problems from time to time, although I think they emanate more from issues with her use of the machine than the SSDs.

As more people move onto the Cloud, it may well make a lot of sense to go the route of a smaller SSD for OS and using the Cloud for data storage. Personally I like to be able to have more control over *where* my data is stored - no-one can access mine without breaking and entering nor can any foreign Government decide it may access it because it's stored on a server in their country... Not that any of my data is likely to be of the slightest use or even interest to them, it's just that I don't want their mucky electronic fingerprints all over my pristine data...

I have several

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Just say no to the cloud
Jul 25, 2014 11:38AM PDT

The cloud is the worst possible place to store your data. Unless you have a tremendous amount to store, just put a couple SSDs in an external USB 3 case and use that. Much more reliable and hardly any security issues.

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The SSD is the future. The HDD is only for large storage.
Jul 18, 2014 5:50PM PDT

I have used an SSD in 4 PCs now, it's the only way. HDDs are still useful for 1tb+ storage, but it's climbing.. Access to files with SSDs is very fast.

My first was a 256gb. I put it in a Lenovo Edge E130 with an i5 processor and 8gb memory. I think the extra 4gb was unnecessary. It was exceedingly past on both boot up and close down (5-6 seconds.)

The SSD was great.
(The Lenovo Edge E130 was OK processor-wise, but the construction was crap. Anyone who has one, be warned, SELL IT QUICK. Reason? The hinges are too tight and the constant strain on the underbody cracks and ruins the hinge area. The computer lasts long enough to get out of warranty thus Lenovo won't take any responsibility for poor manufacture. And they cannot replace the under-body part!! I have just lost over $400 in value!)

Back to the SSD. It made the i5 very fast and an i5 is already quite fast in handling programs. When my Edge "broke up" [!!] I purchased a temporary Lenovo X130e with a Celeron processor (that's a cut down processor which is very slow in program processing); the same fast boot up and shut down occurs! Quite changes the character of that very slow processor.

(The Celeron is only one step up from the Atom; though I'm unsure if even that is true..)

So now I have a Surface Pro, the first one. SSD is 128gb. Absolutely nothing wrong with these units, I have to say. Having a 128gb SSD makes great sense when you heavily use OneDrive as I do. I still have more than 64gb available with no sign of ever needing it!! More than 4gb memory is definitely not needed, unless one is involved with the most intensive mathematical software.

I'm looking forward to the Surface Pro 3, a definite iTab killer if ever there was one! Again I will have an SSD 128gb, never a need for more with an external drive to handle File History and OneDrive, for all my files up in the cloud. It will be even fast with the latest i5 processor.

At AU$1200 - INCREDIBLE value.

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all portable devices upgraded to SSD
Jul 18, 2014 10:54PM PDT

I've upgraded both of my notebooks and my netbook to SSDs. I'm not dumb, the removed CHDs are in cases and used to keep current drive images - Win7 is fine, but I prefer Accronis True Image Home because it will verify that you truly have a valid image on the external drive.

The size of the SSD varies with the intended purpose of the notebook. The netbook only has 128GB used for simple tasks on vacations and overnight trips. The lesser notebook is shared by my wife for browsing, email and Skype when I am out of town on business, and as an emergency back up to my main notebook and has 256GB. And my primary notebook which is also used for photo editing and digitizing audio-video has 480GB.

All our family photos & video is backed up to external media, plus a shared copy is placed on a NAS.

If I were to switch back to a desktop system, it would probably boot from an SSD and use either a CHD or a hybrid drive for data.

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Aobut Acronis
Jul 19, 2014 3:32AM PDT

For years, I have been a proponent of Acronis. I still use it for cloning. But it has failed to correct its tendency to arbitrarily reassign the drive letters when restoring an image in presence of multiple HDs or partitions.

Now I use only Macrium for the disk image. No more headache of recovering from boot errors.

The 2007 version of Acronis disc director - that used to be bundled with the imaging utility - can delete corrupted (but protected) files. The newer version, now sold separately, has no such option. Why would they impair a utility and then sell it for additional $$ is incomprehensible, except greed and complacence, of course.

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Trouble deleting protected file
Jul 25, 2014 2:08PM PDT

Look for the UNLOCKER utility, which I downloaded from somewhere. It works great!

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What is your opinion on SSD drives
Jul 19, 2014 7:14AM PDT

They are great! (No offence to Tony the Tiger and General Mills.)

Last time I got this much of a boost in performance on my computers was when I had an old 486 and increased the RAM. I have upgraded 4 of my 7 computers to SSD (120's and 240's). I had an idea of what they could do when I bought my wife an Acer Ultrabook with it's 20 gig OS drive. When the price point came down on the 120 gig drives I upgraded an Acer with an Atom processor (Aspire) and a Dell with an Athalon processor( small laptop), and got a tremendous boost in speed and responsiveness. I have done the same when I had the chance to buy a 240 gig for $100 and upgraded my old Dell 1737. As the price goes down I will be doing the same to my desktops and my newer Dell laptop.

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Note to CNET members from Aaron J.
Jul 25, 2014 5:42AM PDT

Hi everyone,

Aaron sent me an email this morning and wanted to thank all of you for your contributions to his question. Here is his response below:

Thanks to everyone who responded to this post. Your comments are greatly appreciated. In summary
I'd have to say that the SSD is the hands down winner when deployed in the right environment. Power
Users (those that require a large amount of on-board storage exceeding 512 GB) may still be better
served by a fast CHD (7200rpm or better) in tower or laptop configuration.

For the majority a large amount of on-board storage (in the laptop world) is not the requirement.
Especially, since USB portable storage is becoming more abundantly available/affordable all the way
up to 2 TB's. It's a simple trick to travel lite with a 15" SSD equipped laptop or smaller and throw in a portable USB drive. The influx of tablets is also driving modular storage designs that function similar to an SSD in capacities up to 512 GB. They too can be supplemented with a portable USB drive.

It's unfortunate that a few contributors to this post experienced SSD failures. Although, as it was
pointed out by Waytron; the failure(s) may have just as well occurred in a CHD. I'll take that comment a
step further and venture to say that SSD failures probably take a harder hit when it comes to consumer
confidence. Simply because SSD technology is still relatively new when compared to the CHD which has
been around for decades on end. Kind of like humankind to date versus the universe.

I'm confident - as many of you stated - that SSD's are here to stay. Just like any worthwhile technology
they will improve and eventually become the norm rather than the exception. You'd be hard pressed
to buy a CRT monitor today. Whichever, your choice of storage drive (SSD or CHD) remember to always
employ a backup solution. In-the-mean safe computing and have a great weekend!


Aaron J.

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Acronmys
Jul 25, 2014 10:24PM PDT

Hi fellows

Don't forget that some of us have missed the meanings of the many acronyms you use. We might know some but CRT? (Crippled Right Turn?) CHD ?( - Crepuscular Hard Drive?) maybe. Unless it is particularly well understood by the wider community one is supposed to put the full wording with the acronym after it, generally in brackets, when it is first used. This allows the reader access to what ever you are trying to get across.

Thanks

RG

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Acronyms are rife
Jul 26, 2014 8:00AM PDT

Many acronyms exist in today's world, we all will run into those that perplex and dumbfound. Did you try a search for the acronym exactly as written? Bing will return many suggestions for most, look for the context in which you first encountered the word. Wikipedia is also a good reference source...

CRT is easy as the most used reference is the Cathode Ray Tube - the original bulky TV tubes and Monitors, HDD is Hard Disk Drive, but CHD on the other hand immediately references Health matters and specifically Coronary Heart Disease. Not always so easy, so go back to context and try electronic CHD or computer CHD, oops, there it is: Computer Hard Drive... sometimes the answer may fall in intuitively. I agree that sometimes we fail to explain enough when we know a subject cold... so try to work it out, but meanwhile I ask all writers to think of their readers and remember that not all are on your page. Define as suggested by Rosalind, at least once, and you will have taken one huge step toward real writing.

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Check The Original Post for Definitions of Acronyms Used.
Jul 28, 2014 9:58PM PDT

Hi Rosalind

You are absolutely correct about the use of Acronyms as they should be identified in their full form before being introduced into the body of a statement. The post you replied to was a second post of thanks to the members for participating in the original question. The original post did qualify the Acronyms of SSD (Solid State Drive) and CHD (Conventional Hard Drive). CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) has been a largely accepted Acronym since its invention (over 50 years) and rarely needs explanation.
Thanks for participating...your comments are appreciated.

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SSD makes a great retrofit
Aug 5, 2014 5:19AM PDT

Last year I planned to update a Mac mini when the next generation came out. But Apple did not update the mini, so I installed a SSD in my c2008 mini and it is now enough faster to feel like a new computer. Maybe I will not need a new computer until the internet gets a lot faster. And downloads are adequate once they begin. Maybe web site servers need to be upgraded, maybe to SSDs?

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SSDs
Jul 25, 2014 10:18AM PDT

I have had bad luck with SSDs. While I definitely feel the performance is superior, I have had issues with reliability, and for a main HD, that can be a major issue. I've already had two SSDs go out being used as the primary HD for a machine storing the OS on them. I'm going to put them on hold until they become more reliable.

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Cost and capacity
Jul 25, 2014 10:24AM PDT

Both are close, but not quite there yet.

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Still not sold
Jul 25, 2014 10:31AM PDT

Y'know if bootup take a minute or two i can live with that. Essentially I don't trust SSDs not to just ef off and take all your data with 'em. Add the relatively small size and high price and not so attractive. If a regular hard drive starts to fail at least at least you've got a shot at recovering the data.

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SSDs and Laptops
Jul 25, 2014 10:35AM PDT

Having just put an SSD in my laptop, I can say I wouldn't consider using a CHD for a system drive in future. The SSD is immensely faster and, while I do have to think a little about exactly what I put on it, a 256GB drive is fine, even for a dual Windows-Linux system. The reduced power consumption and heat dissipation are also significant advantages, considering that said laptop doesn't have the greatest battery life.

IMHO, Aaron misses one other significant factor in the rise of SSDs -- not so long ago, if you didn't have room for another internal disk to store data on, you were stuck using external devices that were generally more expensive and slower. Now, with cheap, fast external hard drives, the internal storage is not so much of a must, especially for a laptop where putting in an SSD at a reasonable price often means sacrificing a lot of internal disk space.

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my opinion based on trying to fix flash memory

Flash memory first seemed like a good idea to me because the memory's specs said that the memory would last something like 20 years but then the warranty for flash drives was two years leaving me puzzled.

I saw an article on repairing flash drives by replacing the crystal. Flash drives are small and they have surface mount components. There is a program that identifies your flash drive and tells you what crystal you need to replace in something that small. Anyone handy at surface mount soldering and reflow?

Crystals are basically a semiconductor and semiconductors dry out which is why they only warranty flash drives for two years even though the memory on a flash drive may last for more.

The problem is getting a crystal in two or more years from now unless you ask a company to make you one and having a replacement part available if you are knowledgeable enough to do that.

There may be crystals in hard drives or other components but your memory is only as good as the weakest link unless you have someone who can repair the weakest link.

Until SSDs come down in price to rival hard drives, you are paying a lot for something that can fail.

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SSD's
Jul 25, 2014 10:39AM PDT

I am thinking about getting one will they fit in desktop PC our will I have to but an adapter/

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SSD's will generally fit in any type of computer
Jul 25, 2014 8:53PM PDT

SSD's typically come in 2.5 inch laptop form factor. Most manufacturers include "spacers" to allow the SSD to be installed in a computer tower which may have a larger disk bay. Spacers can also be purchased separately.

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Youbetcha
Jul 25, 2014 10:45AM PDT

Switched the system drive in my 3 yr old i7 desktop to a 256GB SSD and have been very pleased with the performance, despite not having SATA3 on my motherboard.

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Best thing since sliced bread
Jul 25, 2014 10:55AM PDT

I came into the SSD age with a Samsung series 830 ( 256 Gb ). Love that thing. Fast boot ( about 15 secs ), but more importantly, when I get whacked in a game, I am back in a jif. Happy Am looking to get a Samsung 1Tb EVO now. I usually recommend them when someone is looking for parts for a build. When they first surfaced I was not all that big on them, because of the reason given. Too Pricey and too little storage room. Since I installed the one in here. I have been a fan of them. Giving some thought to putting one in my laptop and maybe even my PS3.

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Security of data
Jul 25, 2014 11:11AM PDT

Is there some sort of analysis utility that will detect dropped bits?
Personally, I don't need the extra speed, as much as I need the confidence that nothing will get corrupted by a static shock in the winter, etc, etc.

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They are awesome (fast), and don't fail as much as HDs...
Jul 25, 2014 11:18AM PDT

But the DO fail! (Become corrupted and the OS will no longer boot up). I had one in my late 2011 Mac Book Pro 15" for several years (a Critical drive) and it was blazing fast, compared to a 7200 rpm 750 GB hard drive that came with the unit, BUT one day, the thing hung, I did a force quit, and then on restarting, the thing **** the bed, ruining a couple of flat file databases (Together 3) and the OS, even when reinstalled. I then got a Samsung SSD, which is said to be more reliable and is definitely more expensive.

So, the lesson here, is same as a hard drive: backup religiously and continuously (Time Machine, Backblaze, etc.) or face the consequences when the inevitable day of reckoning comes. And also, if you rely on computers, it isn't a bad idea to have a "hot" backup and use two relatively duplicated networked computers for when one is in the shop -- I now am using my MBP as my backup computer and a new 27" iMac as my main computer. The beauty of this is that you can use the same software on both through the app store and buy only once and there aren't licensing, copy protection or "per seat" issues on Mac OSX machines that there are on Windows...and yeah, the iMac also has a SSD and 32 gigs of RAM...very fast as well!

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What kind of failure was it?
Jul 25, 2014 11:28AM PDT

Was the failure you described a hardware failure? Were you able to reformat and reuse the SSD? It's important to differentiate between a hardware failure and some kind of software-related failure (an OS or app malfunction). You can also experience data corruption and resulting drive failure from power glitches, etc., so it would be good to know if you ever found the root cause of your problem.

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Def the SSD...as well as some other issues
Jul 26, 2014 12:45PM PDT

Turns out there was a lot wrong with the MBP and the whole thing needed to be revamped (thanks, Applecare). Probably the root cause was a burned out fan which caused the whole thing to run hot, and then they replaced the logic board. I sent the thing to them with a backup of the data and OS on the original HD so they wouldn't have warranty issues, but we couldn't get the HDD to read very well either, so that's why I replaced the SSD with the Samsung. Googled and found that particular Critical drive had had a lot of problems.

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There's no question whatsoever -- SSDs are the way to go!
Jul 25, 2014 11:23AM PDT

I've had SSDs in my desktop system for a couple years now and in my laptop for the last year. About a year ago, I removed the last HDD from my desktop and have gone with SSDs exclusively since then. Here's my evaluation by category:

Speed: SSD
Reliability: SSD
Longevity: SSD
Waste heat: SSD
Noise: SSD
Boot time: SSD
App load time: SSD
File load and save time: SSD
Cost per GB: HDD (probably not for much longer)

In all honesty, the only category that I can think of where SSDs don't beat HDDs is cost, and considering all the advantages SSDs provide, it's well worth the difference. The only thing I still use HDDs for is archival storage/backup, and that's because of the price advantage for large drives. To tell you the truth, I wish I could use SSDs for archival storage/backup too, because I've had too many hard drives fail even when they're not used on a daily basis.

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Total Cost / Benefit
Jul 27, 2014 12:08AM PDT

To talk of only the Cost of the SSD without factoring in the
Benefit of the Cost Saving in your time is not wise ECONOMICS.

Unless of course you do not put a value on your time.
For some, this is probably accurate.

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Probably someday
Jul 25, 2014 11:24AM PDT

When they get cheaper and more reliable I'll probably start using them. They are presently headed in that direction.

Their main advantage from my perspective is faster boot time. I am satisfied with what I have at present.