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What's The Latest Italian Invention For Ships?

by James Denison / January 15, 2012 10:32 PM PST
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Perhaps it ran aground because of an Italian fog.
by JP Bill / January 16, 2012 2:53 AM PST



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what's the early warning system
by James Denison / January 16, 2012 8:11 AM PST

on Italian cruise ships? A crunching sound.

What's the helm on Italian cruise ships? The roulette wheel.

What's the first life boat on Italian cruise ships called? The Captain's.

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Do you think you'd be where you are today
by JP Bill / January 16, 2012 8:13 PM PST

If Columbus didn't go to America in his Italian ship? Devil

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Not sure they were Italian made ships
by Steven Haninger / January 16, 2012 9:13 PM PST

but we have been taught they Spanish funded and perhaps owned. So maybe Italy's financial woes are older than we thought.

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Perhaps they had the European Common Market back then.
by JP Bill / January 16, 2012 9:29 PM PST

Free Trade.

I just found out that the Nina was built in Brazil by a Brit....Figure that one out.

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Other Genovese from the Colombo family
by James Denison / January 16, 2012 11:46 PM PST


As a result of the economic retrenchment Europe in the late 14th century, as well as its long war with Venice, which culminated in its defeat at Chioggia (1380), Genoa went into decline. This pivotal war with Venice has come to be called the War of Chioggia because of this decisive battle which resulted the defeat of Genoa at the hands of Venice.[12] Prior to the War of Chioggia, which lasted from 1379 until 1381, the Genoese had enjoyed a naval ascendency that was the source of their power and position within northern Italy.[13] The Genoan defeat deprived Genoa of this naval supremacy, pushed it out of eastern Mediterranean markets and began the decline of the city state.[14] Rising Ottoman power also cut into the Genoese emporia in the Aegean, and the Black Sea trade was reduced.[15]

Genoa was ultimately occupied by the French or the Milanese for much of the period. Christopher Columbus was born in Genoa during this period, but sought a career elsewhere. From 1499 to 1528, the Republic reached its nadir, being under nearly continual French occupation. The Spanish, with their intramural allies, the "old nobility" entrenched in the mountain fastnesses behind Genoa, captured the city on May 30, 1522, and subjected the city to a merciless pillage.
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and his brother
by James Denison / January 16, 2012 11:53 PM PST
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if IFs and BUTs were Candies and Nuts
by JP Bill / January 17, 2012 12:43 AM PST
In reply to: and his brother

We'd all have a Very Merry Christmas.

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Word on the street now is
by JP Bill / January 17, 2012 4:46 AM PST

Captain didn't issue Abandon Ship orders...he said


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I wonder
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / January 17, 2012 4:54 AM PST

what Maritime Law says about a captain's duties and responsibilities in such a situation.

I believe Maritime Law is international, or at least most countries agree to abide by it, and I suspect the captain's actions were illegal and he could be charged with murder.

There was an amazing report on BBC News today of a phone recording between the local Coast Guard and the captain who was, at the time, in a lifeboat whilst passengers were still in and on the boat.

The Coast Guard said, (in Italian), "Get back on that boat"! (or similar).

He's in trouble.


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I think he's going to need a bigger lifeboat
by JP Bill / January 17, 2012 5:03 AM PST
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than the one he used to get off the Carnival.

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RE: Maritime Law says about a captain's duties
by JP Bill / January 20, 2012 11:57 AM PST
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Maritime Law says about a captain's duties and responsibilities in such a situation

Cowardice at sea is no crime -- at least in the U.S.

Countries have adopted different maritime codes over the centuries and the responsibilities of a captain can be traced to a 12th century French document called the Rolls of Oleron, which established the first known outlines of maritime law.

The sailor's code that's developed from the rolls - or rules - has been celebrated in everything from Conrad's Lord Jim, about a young seaman who abandons a ship in distress, to the 1960s U.S. television show Gilligan's Island theme song, with the lyric, "If not for the courage of the fearless crew, The Minnow would be lost!"

In the United States, the rule that a captain should be the last to leave a distressed ship is not a criminal offense. The Westlaw online legal research service shows the phrase "abandon ship" turned up 618 decisions but none addressed a captain's decision to leave a ship before his passengers.

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Unfortunately for him, Mark...
by J. Vega / January 20, 2012 3:09 PM PST
In reply to: I wonder

Unfortunately for him, the Costa Concordia is flagged in Italy, so it and he are subject to Italian Maritime law. He could do 8 years.

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Heard on the radio
by Diana Forum moderator / January 17, 2012 6:12 AM PST

that the Coast Guard told him to go back to the ship and direct the evacuation and he refused.

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